Daily Japanese Thread - DJT # 1889

First for Sakubi

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>>78047134
Threadly reminder.

>>78047179
Looks good to Me

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>>78047134
>>78047179

>>78047201
Wow I love it when I'm quoted and accused of being the samefagging author of a crappy guide

Are all the people here for real or just memeing? Are you seriously wasting your time learning a worthless, ugly language just to read comics for children? Or maybe you are some mentally ill yellow fever faggot that wants to marry some ugly, dog faced, down's syndrome looking Asian because you are afraid of women from your own country? If that is your case, do your parents and the whole of humanity a favor and kill yourselves

>>78047284
I learn Japanese so that I can troll people like OP

>>78047291
>I learned a useless ugly language wasting hundreds of hours of my life IRONICALLY
Kill yourself

>>78047371
It's my reason to live, anon

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>>78047284
Mama mia, las polpettas a qui sonte reales o suolo mementem? Vi sono dependiare vostro tempo a apprentere une parla inutile, fea solo por gliere fumettes a bambinos? O macarroni vi soni du mentale doenzia risotto amarello qui vole espose une asiana d'apparenzia fea, face canina, sindrome dissente perché vi soni pavore de donnas de vostro spagetti? Si esto e ton cazzo, fa tes genitores et tutti-frutti un favore et bologne te propre.

>>78047284
wtf i HATE japanese now

>>78047640
t. Joao Takashi
Kill yourself, mutt

>>78047284
Weebos literally BTFO out! Thanks for dropping those sick redpills bro, that was refreshing and much necessary.

>>78047640
Unironically great post

>>78047797
>weebo
You can spot a summerfag from miles away.

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>>78047828
t. konatão cremoso virj

>>78047824
Post more hard hitting redpills liek that, bro. Your the hero djt needs.

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今日の採鉱して文字の一覧は

一覧
真っ平
挫折
意地悪
贅沢
証し
虫螻
餞別
寝食
でないと

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Imagine, if you didn't waste your time with this ching chong shit, imagine what you could have had accomplished instead if you had invested that time in something worthwhile.
You could have learned a craft and made something beautiful .
You could have learned to play an instrument and come to appreciate music much more.
You could have trained your body to be something else than your current bloated, weak physique.
You could have learned a useful or interesting language with an actual literary corpus.
Instead, you chose to waste your precious, limited time that is granted to you on this earth to learn to a dubious degree of fluency a ugly, worthless language that has never produced literature of notice, just so that you could further waste your life on comic books and video games.
What a sad, sad life must that be.
So sad, that I'd rather kill myself rather than live through it.

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>>78048833
Cool story bro.

>>78048280
Stop humiliating my country by opening your mouth.

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皆さん頑張って

>>78047284
>Are you seriously wasting your time learning a worthless, ugly language just to read comics for children? Or maybe you are some mentally ill yellow fever faggot
whynotboth.gif

>>78048833
>You could have learned a craft and made something beautiful .
>You could have learned to play an instrument and come to appreciate music much more.
>You could have trained your body to be something else than your current bloated, weak physique.
>You could have learned a useful or interesting language with an actual literary corpus.
literally tried all of these things, japanese beats them all

>>78048883
Stop humiliating your country and yourself by being a weaboo. Do you even know Classic Irish? Then, why waste your time on a worthless, useless foreign language from the other side of the world? Come to your senses and stop wasting your time on this shit and live

>>78048833
>You could have trained your body to be something else than your current bloated, weak physique.
Why not both?
>You could have learned a useful or interesting language with an actual literary corpus.
Such as?
I speak German, English, Spanish and getting better and better at Japanese what worthwhile language are you talking about?
>inb4 chinkshit

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>>78049008
Fixed

なんで皆はバイトに騙させられているの

>>78047086
>https://djtguide.neocities.org/resource%20guide.html#Visual%20Novels
Can someone please tell me how I get the Rikaisama realtime import to work with the latest firefox? Rikaisama isn't even starting up and Rikaichan doesn't have an anki section in the options.

>>78049126
What are you talking about fellow Luigi?

>>78050952
Not sure if that's the problem but try to disable multithreading for ff, it'll cause troubles with rikai.

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If you have a ds or flashcart I'd like to introduce you guys to 陰山メソッド正しい漢字かきとりくん, it's an interactive kanji learning game/tool that teaches you stroke order, reading, and has example sentences

>>78051115
This worked! Thanks.

>>78051715
I'm glad that I could help you out.

>>78051343
Ordered it cause I found a good offer I hope it's worth it anon.
Can you give me more infos about it? How many kanji does it teach you?

>>78052594
it teaches the first 1008 jouyou kanji used in the japanese 1st through 6th grade, but it teaches you through a native point of view with jyukugo and native definitions for each kanji. I'll upload more photos in a minute.

It has 3 different modes, 「かきとり」(the one in the original photo) where you learn the stroke order, 「ドリル」which teaches onyomi, kunyomi, and jyukugo, and then 「力だめし」which tests you on your knowledge of either the stroke order or readings+jyukugo.

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>>78052863
かきとり

GENKI I is FUN! :3
DUOLINGO is FUN! :3

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>>78052900
熟語ドリル例

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>>78052924
熟語ドリル例第一

>>78053020
漢字読めない時で、漢字をタッチして、簡単な辞書が出される

Anyone know a good anime with the main character speaking 関西弁

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>>78053213
Forgot the picture wew
辞書第一例

>>78052863
>>78052900
>>78052924
>>78053020
Looks nice thank you, tried that one other game Japanese Couch or something but it was complete trash.
Looking forward to this one.

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>>78053281
辞書第二例
熟語部分

>>815

そうは言うが、中国サッカーはこれから迷走するかもしれんよ。以下↓↓流れ

中国サッカー協会
『2017年は、外国人枠は3な。中国人選手は23歳以下を1名出場させるように』
↓
中国チーム
『なら23歳以下は出場させても直ぐに交代させるアル。』
↓
中国サッカー協会
『じゃあ、2018年シーズンは出場する外国人選手と同じ数だけ23歳以下の中国選手を出場させるように』
↓
24歳以上の中国人選手
『ちょっと待つアル、外人3人と23歳以下3人出したら残り5枠しかないアル。海外移籍するしかないアルヨ』
↓
中国サッカー協会
『また変更するかも』

>>78053266
Not really, but YuruYuri has Chitose and Azumanga Daioh has Osaka. Dennou Coil has Megabaa.

>>78052900
I spent a good minute looking for the 戻 kanji on the second screen...

>>78053266
Inari, Konkon, Koi Iroha.

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>>78052900

>>78055595
link pls

>>78058042
cancer

>>78058047
What the FUCK did you call me?

>>78059143
a friend

>>78047284
>Are you seriously wasting your time learning a worthless, ugly language
No, that's why I decided to drop Italian.

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>>78059915

>>78048833
can you only do one thing? are u a retard???

>>78061507
>replying to copypasta

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>>78047086
are there any math/programming minded people around? I've got a problem you might be able to help out with
problem: want to reduce number of daily vocab reviews

info: currently at 5930 words
0~5700@ 50/day : 430~500 reviews/day : 75~80% retention
5700~present@ 30/day : 430~480 reviews/day : 80~85% retention

aim: no more than 300 reviews/day, if possible
仮に、 learning/new cards have 80% retention and mature cards also have 80% retention. Will 30 new cards/day ever fall around 300 reviews/day with that retention and if not, what number of new cards/day would?

>>78063496
>no more than 300 reviews/day
I did 20 new cards a day and had a retention of 85%-90%, but at the end of Core10k I was almost reaching 300 a day.

At the current pace you might end up with 800 reviews a day when you reach 8~10k words.

Not sure how to stay under 300 reviews, but you should instead try to keep a daily amount of time allocated to Anki - 300 reviews a day take me as long as 100 reviews took in the past (around 1 hour). Turn off new cards until you reach that daily amount of time and then start introducing new cards by increments of 5. You should just feel the real weight of if after a month, though, so it's kinda hard to balance things.

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What is this?

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Did you learn the meaning and then the reading of kanji (RTK) ?

or did you learn the reading with the meaning (kodansha) ?

I like the pace and mnemonics of RTK, but can't shake the feeling that i'm ignoring what's important by leaving out reading.

That said i'm learning the meaning and stroke order so much faster i feel like i could do it all in 6 months and then focus on the readings..

>>78065439
looks something like entry 13 of くる【来る】
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E6%9D%A5%E3%82%8B-474513#E3.83.87.E3.82.B8.E3.82.BF.E3.83.AB.E5.A4.A7.E8.BE.9E.E6.B3.89
an emphatic acceptance of the previous factoid

>>78051343
Do you have a ROM download? The download I tried didn't work.

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Can someone translate this text please, would be greatful

>>78068134
"The pleasure of cumming inside" is my rough translation

>>78048833
Japanese is such a pretty language, i cant understand how people find it ugly.
I already do this stuff you mentioned, but i never think that im wasting time when i choose to improve my japanese over other things.

>>78067025
If you can wait another hour or so for me to get home I'll find a way to upload it

>>78066726

I doubt it

>>78067025
>>78069457
Also try changing the name because when I first tried my copy it didn't work with the unicode Japanese characters for some reason

>>78065439
~と来た は方言かなあ。。

「毎分1800回の高速振動!!」と来た。

for example 「おっと、そう来るか」
this is used as a reply against someone's sounds and actions.

>>78070468

What meaning does 来る have?

>>78070541
It's the metaphor of the opponent's attack.

>>78050618
お金が必要だからね

>>78070703

Not in the example you gave (which I don't understand), the meaning of 来る in my sentence

>>78071087
those are same.
「毎分1800回の高速振動!!」 is a kind of an enemy's attack.

××と来たら○○と返す。

というか
その漫画の登場人物がそう表現した。
家電製品にずいぶん思い入れを持った感想を述べている。

>>78071410
As in
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E6%9D%A5%E3%82%8B-474513#E3.83.87.E3.82.B8.E3.82.BF.E3.83.AB.E5.A4.A7.E8.BE.9E.E6.B3.89
>6 (「…ときたら」「…ときては」「…とくると」などの形で)ある物事を特に取り上げ強調して言う意を表す。特に…の場合は。…について言うと。「酒とくると、からっきしだめだ」「甘い物ときたら、目がない」

?

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>>78065439
>>78071364
>>78069483
簡単に言えば、その｢ときた｣は｢ときたもんだ｣の略

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>>78071087
>>78071533
above

>>78071533
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/64270/meaning/m0u/
similar to No6

>>78071874
>Update
>>78071829
>>78071754
>>78071533
>>78071410
>>78071299

Thanks

>>78071533
英語だって、come to beやbecomeがcopulaの意味があるじゃないか。それと同じような感覚だろうと思う。
copulaなので、
it's 「毎分1800回の高速振動する(もの)」
となり、適当な感嘆詞でも加えれば英訳できる。

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Is it normal to not be prepared for anything when beginning to read? Even with stuff that's supposedly braindead easy like Yotsubato and Hanahira, I spend ages on each sentence searching and trying to make sense of grammar constructs and words I've never seen before, and even when I manage to figure out what it all means, I don't feel like I've learned anything from it.

>>78072947
>and even when I manage to figure out what it all means, I don't feel like I've learned anything from it.
You're impatience is born from the gap between all the words and grammar structures you currently know while ignoring the years it took to reach it.

naruto really isn't as bad as people meme it out to be

>>78072947
Yes. You're at the stage where most losers quit. Just keep reading for at least an hour a day and before long you'll notice that things are getting easier.

>>78072947
most native Japanese in JT could not recmmend Yotsuba for beginners
よつばとは、幼児語や方言が多くお薦めできません
N2程度が必要です

>>78073454
What's a good beginner recommendation then if Yotsuba is N2?

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what japanese book are you currently reading?

>>78073555
マンガではなかなかないです。
薦めてよいのは、宮沢賢治や芥川龍之介あたりの文学作品です。
宮部みゆきや、村上春樹なら英訳も豊富で対比させて読むことができます。
文章はラノベより難しくありません。
マンガでどうしても読みたいのなら、フランス語版のあるものが水準が高い。英訳はだめです。
手塚治虫とか萩尾主都とか。

>>78073910
私日本語下手だからそれは読みませでした。
でもありがと。

>>78072471
come to be: yes, "be" is just a copula here
become: no. not at all. "be" is only part of the etymology, not the syntax or meaning.

>>78074287
それならなぜここにいる

What dialect is よつばと written in? Or is it just casual speech?

sakumeme is based

Should I use the DOJG or HJGP?

>>78072947

Completely. I think that the very first time I sat down to actually read Japanese that wasn't out of a textbook for English speakers, it took me 30 minutes to get through the first couple of pages of Yotsuba.

Just sit down and diligently stick your nose to the grindstone. Don't be impatient or get frustrated. You're in it for the long haul. It'll click.


>>78073555
>>78073910

The single most important quality for learning material is that YOU WANT TO READ IT. Japanese for natives is going to be hard as fuck at first no matter what you pick. If you don't give a shit about the thing that you're reading, you're going to hate every minute of your life if you try to force your way through. As such, you should use something that you would pick out of your own volition for enjoyment.

I know that some people will frown on this, but it's actually a good idea to start with something that's text hooker-friendly. That'll save you a lot of time looking things up. Just try to read the sentence on your own before using any assistance.

>>78073555
化物語

>>78075615
What should I do to get the most out of reading?

>>78075662

Spend a lot of time doing it (several hours every day), and try not to enter "autopilot" where you fall into a pattern of using J -> E dictionaries for every word that you don't recognize without straining your brain a bit. Have DoJG handy for shit that you don't understand. As you start to feel the level of difficulty lowering a bit, start using Goo (native Japanese dictionary) whenever you don't understand something.

Also, anki. Seriously. At least Core.

What's your motivation to keep learning Japanese?

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Any ideas what this 息子 doing within the highlighted sentece?

>>78075910
The thought of getting a cutie Japanese wife

>>78075501
HJGP is much better.

>>78075910
I honestly really love manga, and the thought of being able to choose content not based on what has been translated is incredibly exciting to me.
There's a lot of really cool looking Japanese literature as well, but I'm not sure I'll ever be able to read it in my lifetime.

>>78075910
Talking to a side of my family that I barely know.

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If ところで is not at the beginning of a sentence, but in the middle, and followed after a past tense verb, does it have to mean "としても"? For example:

「彼は下草をかきわけたところで、なにかが彼の体を木陰に引きずり込んだ。」

Could this sentence mean "Having just pushed through the weeds, something dragged his body into the shade of the trees.", or does it have to mean "even though he pushed through the weeds..."?

When I tried learning Japanese in my weeb phase a few years back, I used Genki, but coming back to trying to learn Japanese now the expediency of something like Tae Kim seems nice. I'm curious as to how you guys would recommend making effective use of the content in a more concise grammar guide given that there are no/not many exercises to solidify your understanding. It seems like without the exercises and the like all of the material in the guide will just immediately leave your mind.

>>78076763
read sakubi instead it makes people here mad

>>78076771
>makes people here mad
Why?

>>78076804
who knows, just look at op

>>78075615
>Japanese for natives
規範文法も碌に知らないのに、いきなり破格の口語を学んでも無理。
楷書を知らなければ行書は書けない
なのに、君は、いきなり草書を書けというのか?
何年学んで出来ないちゃんであるだけだ
よつばとを読んでも報いは少ない

>>78076590
節の後の接続詞的に用いる「~したところで」は、even though 「~した」

>>78075992
In what way?

>>78077061
It rambles less, has more entries instead of burying half the stuff it covers in the notes of other constructions, and was copy-edited better.

>>78076763
>It seems like without the exercises and the like all of the material in the guide will just immediately leave your mind.
The whole point of the "/djt/ method" is to read as much as possible. That way you actually better reinforce the grammar points because you're being constantly exposed to them. As opposed to genki where the only reading is the dialogue for each chapter and whatever text accompanies the kanji study. And then successive chapters don't necessarily reinforce prior learned grammar points well enough.

>>78077098
>>The whole point of the "/djt/ method" is to read as much as possible. That way you actually better reinforce the grammar points because you're being constantly exposed to them.
My problem here is just that by the time you get through the grammar guide and start to read you will have probably forgot most of the grammar points anyway.

>And then successive chapters don't necessarily reinforce prior learned grammar points well enough.
From what I remember of Genki from studying it before, the textbook itself is lacking on this, but the workbook tends to do a good job of reviewing previous grammar points.

>>78077126
>My problem here is just that by the time you get through the grammar guide and start to read you will have probably forgot most of the grammar points anyway.
Well, if you aren't sure on a grammar point when reading, you look it up. I think the reason this method is difficult is that it's very frustrating at the beginning, but I'm sure those frustrations will build into learning successes. I can't really say, I took 3 semesters with genki and a conversation course before I dived into reading recently because I knew I was not advancing at the pace I wanted to be. So I already knew most basic grammar.

>>78077085
>It rambles less
In what way do the DOJG books ramble?

>has more entries instead of burying half the stuff it covers in the notes of other constructions, and was copy-edited better.
Does the HJGP have anything like the below?
https://dojgdeck.neocities.org/
https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html

Those are immensely convenient and make the content highly accessible.

>>78077197
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

>deck
>accessible
Let me guess, you're that guy that spent three months trying to transcribe DoJG for the deck?

>>78077251
>https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/
No idea this existed. The layout is a bit tedious but well worth a bookmark, thanks.

>deck
>accessible
Yes, it has been a great study tool. Do you have problems with it?

>>78077126

>My problem here is just that by the time you get through the grammar guide and start to read you will have probably forgot most of the grammar points anyway.

You're reinforcing his point. Yes, grammar is just going to be some pointless theoretical thing that you forget after a few weeks if your only exposure is through a few sentences in Genki.

>>78077126
even if you dont remember the specific grammar points, you get used to seeing them everywhere so that it becomes natural.

Wut dis? All I can understand is something about still using watashi
超サイヤ人ロゼとなっても一人称は「私」のままだが、言葉遣いが荒くなる

>>78080236
Like "Super Saiyan Rose still says "watashi" for first person, but the way of saying it becomes rougher."

>>78080327
Thanks anon

>>78075910
Talking to my mom's side of the family and being able to finally read Japanese

>sumomomomomomomomonotagui
>this actually means something in Japanese
Hoho

>>78080806
>Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
>this actually means something in English
Hoho

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>>78076763
The way I did it was making conjugation tables and whatnot as I read Tae Kim.

Using mine won't give you any benefits, making the table is part of the process, it's when you get what you learned and try to organize in a way that is better optimized to you as reference.

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Rate my 字

>>78082637
sort of ugly, I don't really care about handwriting though

>>78082637
Were you laughing whiie you tried to write it?

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>>78082702
>>78082731

>>78071943
you're welcome :)

Is there an effective way of calculating an estimate to the number of review cards an Anki deck will approach given the number of new cards/day and retention rate?

>>78076590
the former.

if 彼が下草をかきわけたところで、彼女の体を木陰に引きずり込むのは無理だった。, it is OK.

the sentence of previous post is not one for a contrastive conjunction.

>>78086310
Reviews always approach infinity. The curve starts out linear and approaches being logarithmic in the base of the ease of your cards. This is for the minimum number of reviews per day assuming you continue to add the same number of new cards every day and exhaust anki's study queue every single day.

>>78087230
I realize that they will continue rising, I'm more just wondering on how to find a count at which review count will "stabilize", if that makes sense.

>>78087357
They don't stabilize. It looks like they do for a lot of people because they gradually get better at Anki and they stop adding new cards before they hit the minimum possible number of reviews, but the minimum possible number of reviews continues to rise. The actual number of reviews is completely subject to your specific studying habits and abilities and cannot be modeled mathematically or computationally.

>>78082637
it is good for a foreigner.

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>このは
is this suppose to just say この小説 without the は?

>>78089201
perhaps that is a typographical error.

この小説は一旦~

>>78089297
okay that makes sense
Wasnt sure if it was an error or just something I havent heard of yet.

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>荒ぶる季節の乙女どもよ
What does this translate to?
I finally found the sauce for pic related but I can't for the love god find any manga website hosting it. Neither in Japanese nor in English.

>>78089674
Nevermind, but thanks anyways.

>>78076590
Look at the HJGP entry for ところで.

What is the meaning of 虫 in expressions like 虫のいい or "どこか虫の好かないところがあるの"?

An itsy-bitsy?

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So i'm only like 600 words into the Core deck but i'm already getting words like car accident, should I just start mining now alongside this deck? Or should I wait a little bit longer for a more firm grasp on vocabulary?

今日の新しい言葉の一覧は

イケ面
タメ口
力添え
ぶっちゃけ
墓穴
あだに
虫のいい
作法
付け焼き刃
僭越
見る目

>>78094132
If looking up words all the time doesn't bother you, you could start mining from day 0.
You could always see if Core includes the word you're going to mine if you're worried it will overlap latter.

>>78093670
6 人間の体内にいて、意識や心理状態を左右すると考えられていたもの。潜在する意識や、感情の動きをいう。「浮気の虫が動き出す」
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/215076/meaning/m0u/
Japanese people used to believe that parasites lived in the body and controlled your instincts. I suppose 虫のいい would apply to someone well controlled by these 虫.

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>先
>meaning: Before, in Future
>reading: Sen/Saki
>Vocabulary: 先ず- Mazu
Mfw

>>78094812
Interdasting. It explains the second one about the person having an inkling of doubt about the man.

But not sure if in the case of 虫のいい this insect in particular is inside the person. With your explanation, now I can picture the person itself as the insect/parasite, being the expression something along the lines of "that would be in benefit of the parasite (you), to suckle on my body's life even more, huh?"

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Yo, I'm thinking that translating a song at a time will help get me interested in Japanese again, and I'm going with Again from FMA Brotherhood to start.
I'll probably be bugging the shit out of you guys for the duration, but could you help me understand what the ーかけて in 夢のつづき
追いかけていたはずなのに means? The translation on the site reads
>Though we should have been chasing the continuation of our dream
but I'm falling down on that particular suffix
I get that the ーていた indicates what would be the perfect tense in English (unless I fucked up), but I can't find a decent explanation for the rest of it anywhere.

>>78096079
Not sure if you're aware but the の in those phrases is identical to が (subject), just used in subordinate clauses for stylistic reasons.

>>78096200
Install Rikai.

>>78097281
I've had it installed for years, but it never occurred to me to check the whole word as though it might be a separate verb.
That's bonkers.

http://japanesetest4you.com/mp3/n5s63.mp3
そうですね。じゃあ、上に一つ置きましょう。次が二つ、下が三つ。どうで
すか

At 12 seconds in why does she pronounce "上に" as "mini"

>>78099224
You're mishearing うえに. The 32 kbps bitrate probably doesn't help.

>>78099467
Thanks. I was almost convinced there is some secret way to pronounce ueni that isn't recorded anywhere.

>>78076590
https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A5%E3%81%9F%E3%81%A8%E3%81%93%E3%82%8D%E3%81%A7

>>78100338
That's a different ところで.

>>78101770
DoJG covers the correct sense in the ところだ (2) entry.

>>78101944
Same concept, different formation.

>>78101963
"Even if" is a pretty different concept from something actually just happening.

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>>78095200
It's easier to understand if you think of it more abstractly, as before, but looking ahead.

So from a position of being before, you can look to the future.

>"おさきおさきにどうぞ"
>"Please go ahead/before me"

>>78102049
Read the notes. It's the same concept, different formation.

>>78102178
The notes don't say anything to support that. but rather the opposite. From the たところで notes: "the past form is used here not as the past tense marker but as the counterfactual marker."

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Ugh, I'm so close to getting this text hooker to work.
Why is it showing the line twice? Do I need to change the delays to something specific?

I keep confusing 土 and 膣

>>78104082
You tried all the other threads? Try putting one of the hook codes for nekopara_vol0 here in the box:
http://agth.wikia.com/wiki/H-codes
If that doesn't work, you'll probably have to deal with it unless you know enough JavaScript to filter out the extra line on the HTML page.

>>78096880
How does that work semantically, then? "The bug is doing well", "The piglet is well-fed"?

>>78104445
The other thread just shows the line four times, and the hook codes only isolate each line into their own thread. Filtering it out through javascript is something I didn't think of though, I'll try that.
And thanks for that link, it might help me in future VNs I try out.

>>78096880
Originally が and の could both be used for the 主格 subject case (modern ~が) and 連体格 attributive/genitive case (modern ~の) even outside of subordinate clauses. For example, in the Japanese national anthem, the usages of が and の are opposite of modern usage.
>君が代は
君の代は
>さざれ石の巌となりて
さざれ石が巌となって
>苔のむすまで
苔がむすまで
I just think it's interesting.

What do you guys think about this site ? It's a good way to learn japanese?

http://newsinslowjapanese.com/

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Is もこもこ the exact same as もこもこした? Or is this とする grammar (と omitted), and if so, why is it in past tense?

>>78106464
もこもこする to be puffy
もこもこ(と)したハムスター
Hamster that is puffy (act of being puffy is already completed, hamster does not become puffy but is already puffy)

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>>78105077
Aaaah yes, this satisfies my autism.
I doubt someone out there wants the modified html (I only added four lines), but here:
https://a.pomf.cat/tppvrk.html

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>>78106885

Just like something like this, right?

>>78106464
As someone who just started learning, is she saying the hamster is small and fluffy?

>>78107943
Yes, もこもこ(と) and ぐにゃっと are adverbs that modify inflected words. ~した allows them to act as adjectives and therefore modify uninflected words like nouns, because the ~た can be inflected to the 連体形.
You also see this with トタル adjectives, as in 堂々と (adverb), 堂々とした (adjective).

>>78108278

Thanks a lot, great explanation. Just to clear things up, can you ever use sound-symbolical words with non-past とする to modify nouns? For example, can you ever take クラっとする or something and modify a noun without inflecting it?

>>78108739
Something like もこもこするハムスター would still be grammatically correct, because the する is still in the 連体形, but it sounds strange. You would have to ask a Japanese person, but I think it would mean something like "hamster that acts puffily" (hamster that するs in a もこもこ manner). When you describe something as being もこもこ, the thing has already assumed the もこもこ state, so the perfective ~た is necessary.

>>78109005

Thanks again.

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Would you guys mind translating 3 pages per day?
They won't be full of text, it'll be easy and light.

>>78109938
Learn Japanese so you can do it yourself.

>>78110104
I wish I had the time, being a student sucks.

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>>78106464
「もこもことした」は、動詞句「もこもことする」の完了形の結果・継続です。
過去の助動詞「た」は、本来、完了の助動詞です。
さらに進行形で「もこもこしている」と書くこともできます。

>>78110114

I will do it for $1 for every 3 pages

You'll probably refuse that but I thought I should put the offer on the table

決めちゃった、あした手作りうどんを作って、焼きうどんを焼く。焼きそばらしいはずだけど、結果を見るだろう

もしかして照り焼きマリネーしたとんかつも作るけど、それらのものを焼くとカロリー計算がぜひ過ぎられる

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>>78110736
私はOPではないがありがとうございます

すみませんけど、その「・」とはこの文脈に意味が何ですか
「結果の継続」か「結果と継続」か?

does anyone know yet why 日本語スレ has been being carpet bombed for months now while djt is safe

>>78111150
DJT is attacked several times a day. Not that safe.

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>>78110736
>>78110977
>>78111078
I don't speak jap, what are they saying?

>>78111435
yeah but NHS is practically a barren salted-earth empty shell of a thread, it's 100% constant all day every day spamming that's literally killed the thread, not the occasional "anume sux lol"

>>78111479
"the pleasure of being cummed inside"

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>>78111596
>the pleasure of being cummed inside

>>78111078
その「・」は、and/orです。最近の日本の文法書は現在完了の「結果」という用法を一つのカテゴリーに分類しない傾向にあります。それは「結果」の用法は「完了」の用法の一部である「影響の残存」に該当するため、わざわざ分ける必要がないとの判断があるからと思われます。
覚えておけば、いいことは、助動詞「た」の連体形は「完了」であるということです。
例 「折れた腕」
これは結果用法ですが、「折れている」という状態の継続を内包しています。
ですから、完了の「結果・継続」と書きました。

>>78111831
*覚えておけばいいことは、

>>78111150
私がいる限りJTは不滅です。
>>78111479
i told about the grammatical aspect of Jaqpanese
もこもことした is the perfect form of もこもことする
it has the same meaning as もこもことしている
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_aspect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_(grammar)
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%8C%E4%BA%86%E5%BD%A2

>>78110977
決めちゃった。あした手作りうどんを作って、焼きうどんを焼く。焼きそばのようになるはずだけど、結果はどうなるのだろうか。もしかすると照り焼きマリネにしたとんかつも作るかもしれないけれど、それらのものを作るとカロリー計算がかなりオーバーする。

>>78111078
上で参照示したwikiには、次のように書いてある。
よい説明なので引用します。
誰か英訳に挑戦してみてください。
『日本語では、中古までの古語では完了と過去の区別があり、完了の助動詞としては「つ」「ぬ」「たり」「り」が用いられた(「てけり」「にき」などの過去完了形もある)。「つ」は主として能動的動詞に、「ぬ」は主として自発的動詞に使われた。これらは現代語の「てしまう」と同じように完了ではなく完結相を表すと解釈される用例も多い。「つ」の連用形由来とされるのが接続助詞「て」で、「たり」は「てあり」の縮約形である。「り」は「あり」の語尾が残って助動詞と解釈されたものであり、古くは完了よりも進行・継続の意味に多く用いられた。しかし中世以後は完了の「たり」に由来する「た」だけが用いられるようになり、完了と過去の区別はなくなった。次のような言い方は過去ではなく完了の「た」の用法である。
「到着したら連絡して下さい」(実際には未来のことである)

さらに「曲がったキュウリ」「青い目をした人形」のような連体形は、過去の変化ではなく現在の状態を表現するものである。

現代日本語(共通語)では完了形に当たる形式として「ている」がある。これは過去完了「ていた」や未来完了「ているだろう」(文法的には未来でなく推量)の表現にも使える。同じ形式でも、例えば「死んでいる」「出ている」は完了というよりも「死ぬ」「出る」という瞬間的変化の結果として生じた状態そのものを表現している(結果相)。さらに「ている」は継続・進行の表現にも使われる』

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>>78111831
そうですか、深い答えにありがとうございます。

日本の文法書の説明は英語のテキストの説明よりぜったよくても私の日本語が下手と思います。その「完了」の用法は私が英語のテキストにみえないと思います。

I wish I had enough confidence/knowledge to write my reply correctly in Japanese, so I will also include an English version of it:

Thanks a lot for your in-depth reply. I feel like explanations from Japanese sources are so much better than the ones in English texts even if my Japanese is terrible.

I feel like I have never seen an English text mention this other meaning of "た".

>>78112396
https://classicaljapanese.wordpress.com/tag/tense/

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>been doing anki
>1000 words
>maybe i should check out the dojg to see what its like
>dont understand a single fucking thing
i feel like me waiting so long to mine fucked me, or is this just how everyone is when they start trying to read/mine?

>>78112619
literally never mined a single word and I'm playing pokemon flawlessly. I'm still glued to a dictionary but I don't really have an issue understanding anything

>>78112619
Watch more anime

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>>78112557
Thanks, this article was also a great read :)

>>78112619
desu I'm pretty bad with vocabulary so I most of the time I'm using Rikaikun on the words I don't know while using what I studied from grammar resources to make sense of everything.

I feel like most of the time I spend on Anki is just to make me use Rikaikun less often. But then, since I spent so little time learning vocabulary or practicing grammar, it's really difficult to make sentences of my own.

In other words, just keep on training until you don't need to rely that often on Rikaikun and other dictionaries. I think the best thing about the Core 2k/6k deck is that you will get a head start enough so you don't need to check all the words on a given text.

Anyway, at least that's roughly how it worked for me when learning English though the years.

Is there any viable Rikaisama alternative (especially the auto import feature is very nice) or some way to make i work in 57+ ? Will the dev try to update it?
Will I just be forced to use some older fork of Firefox solely for reading?
Mozilla is annoying as hell with the webextensions bullshit.

>>78113040
>especially the auto import feature is very nice
Is it really? I mean, how many new words are you adding to the review pile on a daily basis to make an auto import feature that useful or time saving? Either way, Yomichan works on Firefox, while supporting the same features as Rikaisama, or at least it claims to. I can't personally vouch for the extension but here it is:
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-13742.html
https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/

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>halfway through core
>read tae Kim twice
>can read any Manga I want now
Thanks, djt.

>>78113705
>can read any Manga I want now
Top kek.

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>>78113705
>Ph.D. in Sakubi
>any manga I want
>100% literacy starting

>>78113523
>>78113040
For anybody interested: it still works, FF just blocks it because it's not multiprocess compatible.
Open about:config and then double click extensions.allow-non-mpc-extensions to change it to true.
Fucking mozilla gets more ridiculous with every day.
I guess I will stay on the nightly from four days ago (last one that has tree style tabs working) for a long time. I'm not risking Rikaisama breaking again.

Is there any guide to how sounds are shortened in casual Japanese? Like how という can be shortened to て or れば can be shortened to りゃ

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>>78075964
Anyone?

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>>78113886
>I guess I will stay on the nightly from four days ago
I might update at some point.

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>>78113937
「という」の音便は、「てっゆー」
「ていれば」の音便は、「てりゃ」
いずれも、方言であり、短縮形ではない

>>78047284
you could literally say the same thing about italian, french, greek, etc. people just learn what fucking interests them

>>78115541
「って」が「は」、「という」、「というもの」だと意味合いますか?私が知っている意味外に他の意味がありますか?

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>>78115741
格助詞「って」は「と+て」の音便が語源https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6-572021
辞書にはない用法について
｢9月9日に北朝鮮空爆｣｢てっ!｣
｢なんだって｣の略

>>78075910
nothing

>露
>霧
>霜
Anyone have a way to remember the difference between these?

>>78124293
I made mnemonics connecting the radicals to the reading. Now I've forgotten the mnemonics, but I can still read them. It doesn't need to be clever, any dumb shit will work if you can picture it in your head.

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>>78115359

Brother!

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I'm playing this game, and I would like to know what this says. Someone please translate.

>>78125409
It says "play better games".

>>78125409
>解放の証
Proof of release (or emancipation or w/e I don't know the context)
>所持数x1
Amount owned x 1
>のユニットの装備枠を解放することができる
You can clear a 4 star unit's equipment restriction.

At least I think 枠 means restriction in this context.

>>78125409
解放の証 ( ) 所持数x1
のユ二ッ卜の装備枠を解放することができる。

>>78124293
>露
道路の「ろ」
>霧
事務所の「む」
>霜
相当の「そう」
意外と簡単じゃ

>>78124293
Don't forget about:
>霞
>靄

>>78112619
>1000 words
>waiting so long
You have barely started, shrimp.

what's the difference between the normal and 「〇 裏」 boards on 2chan? I thought the 裏 boards would be the nsfw version of the board but it doesn't seem to be the case

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>>78129932
Can I learn Japanese?

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>>78131872

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>>78131872

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>>78131872
You just have to put in the effort. Nothing is impossible!

seriously now

how can I go by knowing the whole core 6k inside and out?

>>78133077
If that's all you do you won't know Japanese but you will have a rad flashcard collection.

バンプ

>>78136381
バンぱないで下さい

>>78113523
>works
Yeah, if you click the shift button a dozen times trying to position the mouse.
Meanwhile, Rikaisama just werks.

>>78136827
そう言えば言えなければ俺は好きにしますから俺のポストに二度と返事しないで下さい

so where do I go/what do I do after I've grown out of genki and can find my way through games with a dictionary, but can't do much more than that? I'd say I'm somewhere between jlpt 3.5 and 4.5

are there any go-to intermediate textbooks?

>>78137464
Tae Kim, also reading.

>>78131265
At first 二次元 was made and next 二次元裏 was made and 二次元裏 was divided into 二次元裏dat/二次元裏img and 二次元裏may/nov/jun/dec were made in order and 二次元裏nov was deleted. There are 二次元表 and 二次元裏may/jun/dec/img/nov now.

>>78137258
そう言われようが言われまいが

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WHY, JAPANESE PEOPLE!?

>>78139576
because traditional japanese bedding is a futon, a padded mat rolled onto the floor

What does this mean?

ジェニファーさいかわです!

>>78133497
I'm also trying to expand my grammar since it's my biggest concern. I thought "Japanese the manga way" would be a piece of shit just because of the name, but it's actually filling a lot of gaps and getting me accustomed to noticing patterns in actual japanese writings.

>>78137083
>Meanwhile, Rikaisama just werks.
Clearly.

>>78142447
Very funny, you know what I mean.

>>78142431
Japanese: the Manga Way is great. Make sure to read lots of native content when you're done with it and you'll do well.

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Is 生まれた時から here a superlative? Kinda like "I can see forever" for wide-eyed cats?

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What's that?

http://www.mext.go.jp/wonder/space/common_data/ngword.xml

Japanese bureaucrats have helpfully compiled a list of NG Japanese words.

>>78137805
ねぇ、格好いいこと見たいか?
よく見ろ

バンプ

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Can someone give me a general idea of what are they saying here?

>>78146364
If my mediocre Japanese can do, I believe they are having a conversation about the pleasure of cumming inside.

>>78146453
no.

>>78146478
it's accurate i swear, put it into google translate

"We reinforced the neck with masking tape."
"Because there are seven species, it is safe."

by Google

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I want to make sure I'm using DOJG correctly.
In this sentence I don't know how "nano" is being used.
I assumed "nano" is some kind of particle. Couldn't find it, but could find "na":
>a negative imperative marker used by a male speaker in very informal speech
no (there's four uses, assuming it's this one, seems right given the context):
>sentence final particle used by a female speaker or a child to indicate an explanation or emotive emphasis.

So basically the sentence is something like "No, this is your punishment!" Where "na" and "no" doesn't have a literal translation, but adds more emphasis to what's being said?

What verb ending is this:
頑張ったん

>>78146662
>To express state-of-being, when the 「の」 particle is used to convey this explanatory tone, we need to add 「な」 to distinguish it from the 「の」 particle that simply means "of".

ジムのだ。
>It is of Jim. (It is Jim's.)
ジムなのだ。
It is Jim (with explanatory tone).

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/nounparticles

>>78146662
Look up the 4th entry for の, in the Basic volume.

>>78146736
頑張ったん=頑張ったの

I'm completely new to this shit, just finished a semester of Japanese for giggles. Trying to follow the DJT guide, is Core 2k universally agreed upon as the best way to learn vocab? There's like 300 different anki decks that all claim to be the best way to start, including one that uses common words from VN and light novels. Should I try one like V2K? Any help would be appreciated.

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Don't use "なの" in reality

>>78147395
Core is a terrible way to learn vocabulary, just like any other Anki deck. It's just useful to quickly cram a few thousand basic words into your head while you're studying a beginners grammar to ease your transition in to reading native content. Core is good because it has sentences and audio, which most of the other decks don't have.

>>78147510
That's all I want it for, to get me started with vocab so that I can start reading the native material as soon as possible. I went through Genki I for my class and I'm working on Tae Kim's guide.

>>78147506
なのです

>>78147506
Can I use "みお" in reality? She's best girl anyway.

>>78147633
I use みお every single night. sorry

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>>78147683
Uncalled for, anon.

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>>78064877
well, today I hit 6k vocab and decided to reduce the new card amount to 0
going to keep reviewing till it drops right down then start up again at 30 new cards/day

the average review time for the past month was
>Average answer time: 5.0s (12.1 cards/minute)

and for the deck life
>Average answer time: 5.6s (10.7 cards/minute)
so it isn't super time consuming but it was getting so fucking mentally draining.

kinda torn, yeah. on the one hand letting reviews drop down is good but on the other hand the mining backlog keeps expanding. it is shy of 2k words not yet reviewed and every new manga series has so many words, hundreds of them that aren't found anywhere in Core10k. I don't get how people claim they can do Core6k then read 'easy slice of life manga' without having to look up many words. that's what I read and they're chockers of uncommon vocab.

2k or 6k or even 10k is nothing, vocab wise. how the fuck do you guys handle the torrent of unknown words while mining?

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>>78146364
｢首をマスキングテープで補強しました｣
多分、漫画の作画に使うマスキングテープで、イラストの首のトーンを補強したんだろう
>>78146662
終助詞｢なの｣は、女児の用いることが多く、そういうニュアンス
この場合の｢な｣は、疑問の終助詞｢かな｣の｢な｣と同じ
日常ものんのんびよりも見ていないのか?

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>N5 vocab is pretty easy now
>so are the N5 Kanji
Just brush up some more grammar lessons and I think I'll finally be above N5 level.
N4 will be fun

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>>78144610
お母さんかっつーんだよ=お母さんかと言うんだよ
単なる音便変化、江戸言葉
>>78147633
澪はワイのもの

「これ以上返り血を浴びるのはいやだな、とそんなことをのんきに考えた。」

What could これ以上 be doing in this sentence? Is it like ぜったいに?

>僕は、イっていいという代わりに、より強く舌でクリトリスを舐めて刺激を与える。
イっていいってどう意味ですか
ちょといやらしいのかもでせが

>>78144567
since (the time) I was born

>>78152875
That doesn't explain shit.

>>78153822
That's all it says, anon. You're reading too deeply into it.

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>>78153832
"The rice bowl from the time I was born."

>>78153914
That's not what it says.

>>78153920
That's all it says, anon. You're reading too deeply into it.

>>78153914
you have to read it like "Ever since I was born (we eat those fucking) rice bowls...."

>>78153936
It says 生まれた時から どんぶりめし, not 生まれた時からどんぶりめし

>>78153914
(゜-゜)

>>78154003
That's not what it says.

>>78154368
生まれた is simply an alternative spelling of 生れた.

>>78154368
On the spectrum?

>>78154405
other way around, 生れた is the unusual spelling

What does this mean?

ジェニファーさいかわです!

How long are you guys studying for? I'm currently doing 10hrs a day in a mad dash to be fluent. I finished college and don't have a job at the moment and work freelance so I have a lot of free time.

>>78155110
"I'm Jennifer Saikawa" if she's introducing herself
so probably a haafu and/or an attention whore

>>78155706
It's been from 4 to 7 hours a day since the beginning of the year. What would you estimate your level to be, and what's your daily routine?

>>78155886
I've been learning jap for several years but never was consistent. I always stopped after a couple months then continued like 8 months later because of school/work and not having proper motivation.

I just started this routine of 10hrs last week and hope to keep it up until I'm fluent since I have all this free time now. I'd say I'm still at N4 at best although I never took the JLPT before.

>>78155886
>>78155989
Forgot to say somethings in my other post. My daily routine is just doing whatever. I'm doing rosetta stone now (someone bought it for me as a gift) and rushing through that now. I think I can complete all the main lessons by next Thursday (i'm skipping all the repetitive lessons inbetween). I also make do some production such as writing in lang 8. I try to do two journal entries a day. I also translate songs that don't have english translations. It's one of the fun things I do that also help me learn japanese.

After finishing rosetta I plan to continue my anki mining deck i've been putting off forever and other decks as well. I'm gonna listen to podcast and read newspapers too.

So
rry for the long posts. What are your routines like? What's your level?

>>78155989
>>78156138
My story is similar to yours, stopping and starting a few times over the years. Seems like the people who fall into that category get really emboldened and determined after so many resumptions. I just do anki, read light novels, and watch shows with subs. I'm probably somewhere between N3 and N2, approx. 4,000 words in anki.

>>78155706
>I'm currently doing 10hrs a day in a mad dash to be fluent.
you will just burn out really and it won't work

>>78157440
What's your routine and level?

今日の新しい言葉の一覧はどうぞ:

ちんぴら
動悸
得体
鸛
七光
野良犬
そっぽを向く
すっぽかす

>>78151271
Don't want to be splashed by any more blood than I already have

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>>78158797
You will burn out if you don't keep it interesting and keep track of your progress in some more tangible way. Remember to have SOME time off, or could get into a guilt and procrastination cycle that spirals out of control.

I'm working toward JLPT 2 myself, usually do 50~100 words a day in anki, and at least 2 hours of reading/listening and an hour of grammar (my weak point). Not all in one big chunk, I usually do 2~4 pomodoros (30 min chunks) per study session with breaks in between sessions.

Keep in mind that in the end, even going at a turtle's pace CONSISTENTLY is better than doing a hare's sprint and stopping.

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why is it sometimes particles are skipped? I'm reading yotsuba and it says "俺体力" (my strength)

why isn't it 俺の体力?

>>78160050
なんか俺(、)
体力低下したんなぁ…
手が震える…

>>78160050
It's a separate/incomplete.statement.

For instance (not a direct translation):
Me, I'm quite weak.
That Me doesn't really connect with the rest.