United South America (USA)

>>78032668
NO
FUCK OFF COMMIE

>>78032668

T. Communist

No. Half of them don't even speak the same language, and even if they adopted bilingualism there would still be too much regional division.

I don't think USA is ever going to happen

United Southern Cone would be nice.

>>78032668
No.

>>78032668
No argentinian cocksuckers would prefer to be part of usa instead

>>78032668
>different languages
>different people/cultures
>mountains and jungle everywhere

Good luck commie

>>78032668
Please don't mix us with Bolivia and Venezuela. We don't have much but we have toilet paper at least.

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>>78032668
No.

>>78032720
>>78033042
This. And a lot of hate too.

>>78032668
Fuck no. We're only similar to Venezuela, Panama and Costa Rica and Brazil excluding the south. The southern amerindians can form their own shithole for all I care

>>78032668
no, because commies will be in power

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Do South Americans hate Communism because we control them and cause we said so

>>78033404
>>78033042
>>78032706
>>78032692

It would just genocide the white minorities faster

>>78033938
No, it's because most of our countries have experienced it first-hand, unlike yours

>>78033053
Venezuela is still miles better than Peru

>>78034241
>No, it's because most of our countries have experienced it first-hand, unlike yours
when? actually interested

No, regional unions maybe.

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>>78032668
It's already a thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_South_American_Nations

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>>78034310
> inb4 true communism/socialism has never been tried

>>78034474
no please tell me when was any South American country communist?

>>78034499
not communist per se. But virtually all of them have attempted at some point to install a totalitarian leftie form of government.

>>78032668
If there's a danger of this happening we can just gift Falklands to Chile and sit back watch the fireworks

>>78034499
obviously no full socialism, but shitty social politics, populism, bad resources administration and corruption, most of them were brought by lefty's pro-socialism

Why would South America need to unify? The nations are already big and strong.

>>78034702
>>78034785
hello CIA shills

>>78034888
you don't have to be very smart to asimilate socialism doesn't work. The very first law of Economics says that the humans needs are unlimited and the resources are limited, socialism clashes directly with that.

>>78035084
wrong

>>78035150
planning on moving to Venezuela, anon?

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One day everything will be Perú.
Everything.

>>78034380
Fuck this smug cunt and his foro de Sao Paulo

>>78035084
I find it funny that you don't even have a clue of what you are saying
>>78034702
>But virtually all of them have attempted at some point to install a totalitarian leftie form of government.
when?

>>78035948
sure, keep buying the "we are all the same" shit

>>78036070
maybe if you meme harder someday your opinions will become reality my friend

>>78036097
you told me that i have no idea what i'm talking about, but you didn't tell me why..

>>78035948
see >>78035441 Are you packing your bags?

>>78033269
I thought that Ecuador was similar to that bunch as well?

>>78036289
most countries that industrialized themselves did it by doing things that are considered nowadays "socialism" and "communism". There is a difference between wanting to industrialize your country and become a world power and simply selling everything and all of your riches to the international market disregarding your population and culture. The elites in Latin America simply have no interest whatsoever in developing our country and simply just want to enjoy life and disregard everything else, hence why there is a need, like there once was in Italy, Germany and Japan, for the state to be big and kickstart industry, which nowadays it's considered "Communism" and "Socialism". Hence why there is a need in Latin America for further integration between similar cultures, because it's the only way to maintain cohesion and have your population have further expression in the Globe, if Latin American country continue to be apart they only have two options: Either embrace another culture and destroy themselves, or remain poor and on the periphery of the world

I don't get why patria grande has to be associated with socialism or even leftism at all

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>>78034499
in the 2000s

>>78036688
because it's the dream of commies (and only commies)

>>78036688
because it undermines USA influence in the continent, thus everything that goes against the USA = Communism

pressed Post too fast

>>78036688
look at pic >>78036700 and you'll know

>>78036438
>which nowadays it's considered "Communism" and "Socialism"
are you incredibly stupid on purpose or you were just born like that?

>>78036760
I don't know my friend you tell me, since you are doing all the accusation you might as well answer it for me

>>78036438
The practice in which the state controls much of industry is considered fascism, not communism or socialism.
Although in practice the two are much the same.
Economic socialism generally only describes the concept of a publically funded safety net and the re-distribution of resources and labor.

Mass industrialization is not necessarily a government funded effort. In America and Britain, where industrialization first occurred, it was largely private sector.

Even America has its fair share of publically owned companys specializing in infrastructure.
Trans-continental railroads, highways, dams and all kinds of major projects are largely government funded and controlled.
The degree to which government funded and controlled companies becomes "fascism" is only an issue of amount.
America does not and has never really had a large amount of state funded companies.

>>78036716
Communism is based as fuck.

>>78036777
>In America and Britain, where industrialization first occurred, it was largely private sector.
Yes because the world was naturally protectionist since no one had industries. Thus you guys had a perfect market for it.

>>78036777
Nice trips but I ain't reading all that shit nigga.

>>78036372
Colombians compare us to peruvians and peruvians to colombians, so idk.
We are definetly closer to that particular bunch

>>78036777
Also there is a cultural aspect behind it, since you were protestant the pursue of richness was the main driving goal behind your ambitions. Meanwhile catholic countries usually rule out working and getting rich as their main ambitions thus making it much harder for industrialization to happen in the private sector even with protectionism happening

>>78036788
pay it from your own fucking pocket then

>>78036773
what does industrialization and state growth have to do with gibs-me-dats and all tha clientelist shit? fuck you twat

>>78032668
No. Question answered. Go eat your burger.

>>78036972
>what does industrialization and state growth have to do with gibs-me-dats and all tha clientelist shit? fuck you twat
ah yes, meme answers, your knowledge is really something amazing my paraguayan friend

>>78036816
What does protectionism have to do with industrialization?
Only to the degree in which a foreign country invests into the local economy.
Protectionism only implies isolationism in an economic sense.
You can have industrialization without protectionism.
The only reason it hasn't occurred thus far is because of war and corruption, so there hasn't been a country capable of self-industrializing.
Even if there were, someone would take notice of how industrious the population was and start investing.
Post-WWII Europe could have easily reindustrialized itself without the help of the Marshall Plan.
Africa can't industrialize by itself because they simply don't have the culture for it.

While it may be true that industrialization and state-funded efforts are generally hand-in-hand these days, its a mistake to conflate them. Even when America invested in the Chinese and European economies, and even while the Chinese invest in Africa, it's not as if there isn't significant private sector effort as well.

>>78036947
But Catholics aren't necessarily opposed to making life easier for their devotees. Necessity is the mother of invention. The ability to industrialize has more to do with work ethic and the clear ability to seek gains from ones own work, something that is apparently difficult in Africa, at least according to "Empire of Dust"

>>78036788
*Socialism, communism is the post-socialism

>>78036972
>what does industrialization and state growth have to do with gibs-me-dats and all tha clientelist shit?
Everything, since industralization first need to reduce inequality and proper pass evolve from a agricultural aristocratic mentality and to an industrial capitalistic mentality. Thus since the elites in Latin America want to continue in their own aristocratic ways there is a need for a foreign agent to act and create this evolution. Which in our case is the state

The time will come... The day that Latin America will become only one country and will destroy USA. I'm dreaming about this day every time I sleep.

>>78032782
You meant Chile.

>>78036972
Are there several Paraguayan posters on this board or just you?

>>78037111
probably USA will be the one who impulse this union, by ourselves we can't do shit

>>78036777
>re-distribution of resources and labor
yeah the rich getting richer and the middle class getting poorer, because who else has to pay for all this mess?

>>78037003
shut up faggot
i'm tired of your shit
go suck dick of your jailed leader and that dead gorilla embalmed on his freakshow tent instead of bothering here
your shit is retarded, you and your kin are retarded and all you do is fling shit around like some monkey war
your country is beyond salvation and everyone, left or right ought to be put in front of a wall and shot. supporting one doesn't make you better than your enemies, you humongous cancer

>>78037050
big news for you: Marx was wrong
industrialization won't reduce ECONOMICAL inequality and it was never expected to do so. the only equality to be achieved was to be EDUCATIONAL and then every man for himself, competing over product quality. you can't just expect that the """""elites"""" or whatever boogie strawman you invent be made poorer just to fit the needs of the uneducated idiots that only know how to plant manioc. it's not only unfair: it involves robbing from them, "EXPROPIESE" bullshit
state is a referee, not a nanny. all it needs is to keep things fair via the law. neither socialism nor neoliberalism are the answer. not that it matters because "the state" is a bunch of politician bastards and the cattle (bydlo) they manage as army

>>78037020
>What does protectionism have to do with industrialization?
How can you develop an infant industry and market if you get bombarded by goods of another country with a proper industry and cheaper goods? It's like saying I can simply create a computer industry in my backyard to compete with Apple alone and without help
>>78037020
>But Catholics aren't necessarily opposed to making life easier for their devotees. Necessity is the mother of invention.
If you are happy not mattering how much shit and in poverty you don't have a necessity, since everything is provided to you. Catholic countries are happy in poverty in richness in everything, it's simply a different mindset from protestant countries
>The ability to industrialize has more to do with work ethic and the clear ability to seek gains from ones own work
Those things are inexistant in catholicism since catholics value enjoying life and family above everything to the point of endorsing corruption for it. People here if they had money they would never work a day in their lives and that actually happens here

>>78037156
We had the opportunity when Bolivar was alive. But you fuckers ignored the Panama Congress.

>>78036372
Ecuador imho is more similar to Peru, Bolivia and Chile. They lack the Spanish- Mulatto culture that we share with Venezuela, Panama and Costa Rica

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>>78037197
>Panama Congress
>Paraguay wasn't invited
well fuck you too assholes

>>78037185
>industrialization won't reduce ECONOMICAL inequality and it was never expected to do so. the only equality to be achieved was to be EDUCATIONAL and then every man for himself, competing over product quality. you can't just expect that the """""elites"""" or whatever boogie strawman you invent be made poorer just to fit the needs of the uneducated idiots that only know how to plant manioc. it's not only unfair: it involves robbing from them, "EXPROPIESE" bullshit
Ah yes, so what you are saying is that industries don't generate jobs or reduce inequality and a poor guy can honestly compete with a rich guy and become as rich as him and he can't simple become as powerful and rich as another guy simple because he doesn't want to. I mean everyone if they try hard enough can become the next Steve Jobs!! I mean poverty only exists in latin america because people are lazy commies!

>>78035441
>>78036317
"haha u disagree with me so ged out!!!!"
Please kill yourself.

>>78037185
lol you are probably a millionaire land-owner brasilguayan talking about how your land workers are lazy and stupid

>>78037197
we were under UK influence and they didn't wanted that, they wanted Latin America to be divided so they could trade their shit, obviously we wouldn't accept.

>>78036972
>pay it from your own fucking pocket then
News flash: You are going to be forced to participate in society whether you like it or not, so stop bitching about "MUH INDIVIDUALISM" and start paying or you're going straight to the wall.

>>78032668
NO
FUCK OFF COMMIE

>>78037373
You were our province at the time. But what you said is true to the other countries. Thanks to UK, the congress failed.

>>78037258
>The isolationist Paraguay (which refused previous delegates from Bolívar) was not invited.

>>78037194
>How can you develop an infant industry and market if you get bombarded by goods of another country with a proper industry and cheaper goods
Question of the ages. One of the main issues with foreign aid in Africa.
We solved it decades ago with China, yet people don't seem to be able to connect the dots to Africa.
We initiated "free trade" between the US and China... and a bunch of other countries. Realizing that taxes are cheaper and that the less industrialized country always has cheaper labor, manufacturing moves to the less industrialized country. Larger companies build a base for manufacturing and logistics, and then smaller companies move in to take advantage, completing the loop.
That is how China industrialized. Ironically, through no effort of their own.

America did send foreign aid in the form of pure money to China (and for some reason we still do), but all of that industrialization happened on its own, caused by the American private sector.
For the times, I don't think anyone was expecting that to happen, because not even ten years later we created NAFTA, and the situation repeated itself in Mexico.

>>78037306
Steve Jobs started a factory in his fucking garage, making loans which half of the money would be spent on weed and the other half in implements for his business. he almost asked his gf to abort because he didn't have money for child support, only when he became millionaire he approached his actual child. he ended up selling everything to Bill Gates his sworn enemy
but there is something that Steve Jobs did that can answer your stupid question here: >>78037194
>How can you develop an infant industry and market if you get bombarded by goods of another country with a proper industry and cheaper goods?
make your product more desirable than the competition. with pact-with-the-devil advertising if possible, but also with good quality
so yeah the riches will still be rich. it's like asking a retard to participate in the same classroom with sane people and expect him to learn the same thing. doesn't mean the poor has to remain poor, but SOME WILL, and the State IS NOT A NANNY. there's Church charity for them

>>78037362
lol you're probably a favelado who's crying about losing his bolsa senpaiília because his Dear Leader got condemned to jail for embelezzment
>strawmanning
nice meme answers we're having, but here's not /pol/ and there's no need for such sensible answers so andá a tomar sopa de macaco negro del orto comunista de medio pelo

>>78037435
>said by the """"Empire""""" that wouldn't include us in a map until 1850
i don't want to blame you guys and all that but it's your fault
that invitation probably didn't even got here

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>>78037448
Well Chinese industrialization was basically backed by slave labor and lawless work, while having a strong state to back all of that and take taxes, they basically created protectionism by simply having the cheapest workforce in the entire globe and dumping their goods price on the world. Most countries wouldn't support that at all due to cultural factors, hence why protectionism is a thing still and a tool for industrializing specially in our case

>>78037435
we were your province, but UK further us to become independent

>>78037551
ah yeah the other day i was watching "the singaporean miracle" and it's exactly as you say
you don't need to be a communist to enslave your fellow kin: just be a bastard with a plan

>>78037435
and literally no, we weren't your province, we became independent in 1825, and the congress took place in 1826

>>78037551
Well, if you want to industrialize any time soon, it's not as if you have a choice.
Self-industrializing takes a long time without a base. You might be on your death bed by the time you see the results.

Worker protections and minimum wage are counterproductive to what you want. You don't need to be China-tier sociopaths, but you will have to get rid of any lingering entitlement.
Cartel aside, Mexico did and is doing just fine.

>>78037596
The Cisplatine war ended in 1828

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>>78037610
>but you will have to get rid of any lingering entitlement
and that is done with the proper education
so it's all about education in the end

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Don't want this to happen actually.

If this were to happen, they'd become the regional superpower. Not the United States of America.

Divide and conquer.

>>78037113
what's the difference?

>>78037637
our books says 1825

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>>78037687
one is chilly and the other is silvery

>>78037695
I learnt in school that was in 1828. Also, a quick search on internet says 1828 too.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisplatine_War

>>78037610
>>78037665
>>78037586
>Mexico did and is doing just fine.
Well they are unironically your puppets, their state basically is a US subservient state without any strength, their inequality is sky high, and you honestly can earn much more selling drugs than working in a factory, since the state has no force whatsoever to guarantee at least quality free education towards everyone, safety or a strong army. There is a difference between China and Mexico, because in China the totalitarian state basically maintains order, guarantees safety and at least some degree of security and social ascension through state institutions like the Army, Universities and National Ambitions and they do that by using the money they collect from your industries. Meanwhile Mexico has none of that since they only exist to provide cheap labour and resources and their state is basically a puppet state without any strength at all. That is the difference. Hence why Mexico is your ally and China your enemy too. Because their nationalism, which is their culture aspect, is threat to your dominance

>>78037610
>Worker protections and minimum wage are counterproductive to what you want.
Not really, those protections aren't counterproductive but just dimishes the money the higher strata earns. Not everything is about profiting ambitions or money, but there are some countries that actually would rather earn less and have a prestige job, or serve their country through national means or other cultural aspects. Thinking money is the only driving force behind industrialization is the main force behind US-led globalization and not really National-led industrialization

>>78037725
>wikipedia
stop vandalizing internet

>>78037731
>your
i fucking wish Mexico was Paraguay's puppet
but yeah, Japan and Western Germany were basically USArmy posts and they grew up considerably. US favored them and having a big buyer as market it's always an advantage, so i don't think there will be an "iraqian miracle" anytime soon
>Hence why Mexico is your ally and China your enemy too
>implying Mexico isn't their enemy too because their products are rivaling USA's just as much as China's are

>>78037725
we declared independence in 1825, but your country didn't recognize it till 1830

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay

ITT: complete retards write really long posts about things they don't actually understand at all

>>78037840(You)

>>78037793
> Japan and Western Germany were basically USArmy posts and they grew up considerably.
They were industrialized by the US to serve as their allies against the USSR, also because even after the war they still had the knowledge and the same cultural driving force behind it to industrialize. Nowadays they both despite having strong institutions are both subjects to US-led ideologies and main backers of US-led globalization to the point of undermining their own cultural factors that industrialized their country, both Germany and Japan are nowadays countries that are basically abandoning their own culture and adopting a US-backed ideology because they are forced to do so. And both are one of the main NSA spy subjects in both infrastructure and intelligence due to that. Their countries are basically hostages to the international capitalism.
>implying Mexico isn't their enemy too because their products are rivaling USA's just as much as China's are
NAFTA actually guarantees that there is no competition between the countries my friend

>>78037881
Thanks buddy. :)

>>78037973
>NAFTA
do they actually respect the treaty? unlike you and MERDASUR

>>78038003
they are literally alive because of that deal

>>78038003
>do they actually respect the treaty?
Yeah, and Mercosur actually respects it too, the difference is that NAFTA is a more fully-fledged FTA while Mercosur isn't

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>>78038028
>and Mercosur actually respects it too
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
good one, gotta love macacoposters
>he difference is that NAFTA is a more fully-fledged FTA while Mercosur isn't
oh ok

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>>78038003
that deal is probably the only thing Mexicans did well

>>78032668
fuck off

>>78038110
>>78038023
>becoming a fully-fledged US puppet is a good thing
Why aren't you using a US flag instead of a paraguayan one?

>>78038110
Holy shit.

>>78038110
>>78038023
>100% of the money goes to the US since their Government is a US boot licker
oh wow

>>78038147
and who the fuck cares? Latin America is basically a US puppet, if you got a deal like this with the americans you would probably sucking their dicks right now.

>>78038256
>and who the fuck cares? Latin America is basically a US puppet, if you got a deal like this with the americans you would probably sucking their dicks right now.
Everyone but rich people that profit from it?

>>78038296
go to bed kid

>>78038374
well you could have stopped this from happening but you wanted an answer I just gave it to you >>78036289 I am sorry for making you question your own truths

>>78038296
>Everyone but rich people that profit from it?
yeah the middle class
what? you didn't expect an honest answer? do you really think there's only "tha richies" and "tha poor man"?
does it matter who buys anyways? we sell both to Taiwan and China

>>78038424
the NAFTA deal doesn't have to do with socialism, don't even try to defend that "system"

>>78038445
Ah yes, the middle class truly just wants cheap goods and not high paying paychecks and work stability. I mean they really want to have no worker's legislation or protection and their wages to go down to appease a foreign state without any regard to their own populations

>>78037731
The Chinese threat is more about their aggressive expansionism and total lack of morality than anything else. It's true that if China ever really posed an economic threat to American hegemony, they would probably be our "enemy", but we have any number of ways to waste their country. If we enacted a few economic policy changes, we could move all of our industry back home or to some other third world shithole. Then they would collapse into civil war.

Mexico maintains some semblance of a government. They're essentially powerless against monopoly and their government is filled with narcos, but that doesn't mean that the government isn't essentially an enemy of the Cartel.
The Mexican army has gone to war with the cartel multiple times in the past few decades.

The only thing stopping Mexico from becoming a real first world nation is their culture which decides to leave instead of improving their situation.
The students who come to America for education stay in America instead of going back and improving their country. Same with the seasonal field workers.
They prefer what peace they have, and refuse to fight the cartel and end its death grip on their way of life.
At this rate, the only way Mexico can improve its situation is by spiraling downwards until collapse. Only then will the average Jose decide that enough is enough and stake his life for the long term of his children.

It would at least be easier than trying to reduce the demand for drugs in America.

>>78038481
NAFTA is basically the opposite of what I was saying up till now, are you actually a drone that can only spout SOCIALISM COMMUNISM to anything you don't like?

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just a few posts above a brazilian and me were saying that both China and Singapore have no worker rights and they grew enormously thanks to enslavement. it has little to do with the economic leaning those countries have
so no, you don't get a (You) from me humongous faggot. vá protestar ao envés de trabalhar, vai

>>78038520
>NAFTA is basically the opposite of what I was saying up till now

no way? i didn't even realize

>are you actually a drone that can only spout SOCIALISM COMMUNISM to anything you don't like?

this subject it's common sense, i don't like things that don't work

>>78038514
>The only thing stopping Mexico from becoming a real first world nation is their culture which decides to leave instead of improving their situation.
Ah Yes now you finally showed your true colors, so basically what you are saying that the problem of the whole world for not being as succesful as the US is basically because they aren't the US. Don't you think that is a little hypocritical? You are basically saying that any country in the world to succeed has to walk your path or basically be doomed to poverty as if it was their choice and not a choice the US makes the entire world to choose. China, Russia and other enemies of the US are the ones saying they want to preserve their culture and their ways without submiting to the US and industrialize
>>78038551
>it has little to do with the economic leaning those countries have
Yes, it has to do with their culture and nationalism, which high strata people like you in Latin America don't have, which would rather blame the poverty of an entire country due to lazyness instead of actually building a national mentality with a strong state like China and Singapore
>>78038641
So there is no discussion, why did you want me to answer you if you are going to dismiss the things you don't like?

>>78038678
you must be a Lula voter

>>78038713
what if I am, does that make me less right?

actually yes, it makes you totally wrong

>>78038769
why?

because you're an idiot that isn't "patriotic"
you follow that red flag and wave it instead of the brazilian flag
you are an enemy of your own country, and i'm yet to determine it if you do it on purpose or just blindly

>>78038735
i can't blame you, in Brazil people must vote for the less corrupt

>>78038678
>is basically because they aren't the US.
By "real first world nation," I mean that they don't have crime, don't have to leave their country.
A "real first world nation" can support its people without living in fear of death or poverty.
If I were to name a "real first world nation" that is not essentially owned by the US, then that nation would be Finland at best, and Russia at the very worst.

You didn't answer the essential problem of Mexicans leaving Mexico. You can't improve your country if the only people who can improve it never come back.

>>78037113
de que habla este idiota

Sudacas are commies

>>78038822
>You can't improve your country if the only people who can improve it never come back.
You also can't improve your country if all the political alternatives are basically subservient to the US and basically create a whole status quo and system to serve the US. If anything the guy that leaves Mexico for the US is the just the result of a whole rotten system

>>78038776
i certainly wouldn't vote for a guy who's facing 9 years of prison

>>78038886
I certainly wouldn't also condemn a guy solely by conviction and without any proofs of it

>>78038804
>you are an enemy of your own country, and i'm yet to determine it if you do it on purpose or just blindly
If I am an enemy of my country how come the majority of the brazilian want to vote lula again? If anything the enemy is those that want to arrest him again. Or are you saying democracy is a mistake?

>If I am an enemy of my country how come the majority of the brazilian want to vote lula again?
because they're bydlo
literal cattle that only cares about gib-me-dats
>If anything the enemy is those that want to arrest him again
see? bydlo
you're an enemy of your own country. if you were patriotic, you would applaud BOTH Lula and Renan Calheros going to jail because that's the only fair thing

>>78038875
>You also can't improve your country if all the political alternatives are basically subservient to the US
Tons of countries are subservient to the US and are doing just fine.

The situation in America to South America are the result of land routes, vulnerable countries, and botched CIA operations, trying to chase out commies.

A situation caused by violence can only be solved by violence.

>>78038913
The guy had literally an audio swearing for a public charge so he could not get into jail

>>78038937
>If I am an enemy of my country how come the majority of the brazilian want to vote lula again?
Haha no
The majority approves of his condemnation and he has a rejection of 60%
Keep dreaming retard petista

>>78039003
>Tons of countries are subservient to the US and are doing just fine.
Define doing fine? You mean Japan, Europe and South Korea? I honestly don't think they are doing fine, far from it
>>78039044
Then how come he keeps on rising on polls, even after his condemnation?
>>78038986
So you basically are saying that democracy doesn't matter as long as suits your interests?
>>78039026
Dilma wanted him to become a minister and that was illegal as fuck because Moro was tapping the president of a country. Also if that has nothing to do with the condemnation my friend

>>78039026
Temer had an audio asking for bribes to hush Eduardo Cunha the one that impeached Dilma and he was deemed innocent, and he basically is the opposite of "communism", I don't think you are sounding very reasonable right now

>>78032668
Neither possible nor desirable.

>>78039178
>Then how come he keeps on rising on polls, even after his condemnation?
He's not, only in your alucinations

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no, and that's the sad
democracy matters, and you will eat shit because that's what you and the "majority" chose to
get fucked preto burro

>>78039178
Excluding Europe, because they are being dumb all by themselves, they do not have crime.
All of them are doing great, economically speaking. Japan is even working on a solution to their aging rural population (that doesn't involve brown people) by automating farming.

JP and SK might be facing an existential crisis because of North Korea, but you can hardly blame them for that.

>>78038822
why would they come back to a shithole when they can earn a better living here?

>>78039322
Patriotism, family ties, civil and moral obligation?
I always laugh at the faggots who say they're going to move to Canada if the election doesn't pan out. Coward fucks.

>>78032668
Yes, an European union kind of union yes. Especially since we don't have special snowflakes like the UK in this god forsaken continent.

>>78039245
Ah yes, I clearly am
https://www.poder360.com.br/eleicoes/lula-bolsonaro-e-alckmin-sao-rejeitados-por-mais-de-50-diz-pesquisa/
>>78039303
Doing great means literally erasing their own culture, disrupting their own work stability they care so much because it was against US-led globalization and basically having no kids and high suicide rates?
>>78039264
Ah thanks for proving that only you is right and everyone that disagrees with you is wrong

>>78036438

Yeah we should try some kind of industrialization by substituting imports that surely has never been tried, im sure it will work like a charm...

>>78039631
It doesn't work when you want to rush it and on a spike demand like WW1-WW2. You need infrastructure, a nationalistic culture and education. And since in Latin America the rich don't want to do it, the state is the only one capable of doing it

>>78039612
>erasing their own culture
Said who?
Europe is doing that all by themselves because they're guilty about shit they did hundreds of years ago that nobody cares about.

Korea is just copying Japan and America because their native culture was destroyed by Japan.

Japan DOES have its own culture. Imagine the United States without brown people. That's what they are. They took their initial culture which was never destroyed, and only adopted the good parts of other cultures which were delivered through the media.
The language barrier is also extremely helpful. Koreans tend to be better at English, so they adopt Western trends faster.

And exactly why is "erasing your own culture" bad in the first place?

>>78032668
no but we should hispanize brasil same as how usa and canada are going to be hispanized

>>78039697
>Japan DOES have its own culture.
Do you know what actually is Japanese culture? Or do you think everything that is exported overseas is Japanese Culture? The main driving force that kept the Japanese Culture alive died in WW2 and has been sistematically replaced by US-values
>And exactly why is "erasing your own culture" bad in the first place?
So would accept having your guns taken away, a society that values the comunity over the individual to the point of giving more money to the state instead of being able to choose what to pay and being forbidden to listen or read certain stuff because it's deemed taboo or morally wrong to your society? Would give up everything that makes the US the US?

>>78039728
na, una unión bilingüe estaria piola
tipo belgica o suiza (pero esta tiene como 4 lenguajes)

>>78039802
>only my autistic understanding of someone else's culture is their real culture
Culture is an ongoing and evolving thing.
Japanese fashion is totally different from American fashion.
Modern Japanese food culture has a lot of imported ideas. Initially it was mostly from the Chinese, but now they're frying everything.
Japanese TV is completely different from American TV.
American TV likes following the lives of boring retards and people acting like niggers.
Japanese TV usually involves personalities and celebrities talking about completely random, boring shit (variety shows), and adaptations of written works to live-action film and anime, which again, are completely different from America.
Japanese work culture is also completely different. When they want to fire someone, they will saddle him with work until he quits or commits suicide.
In America, when we want to fire someone, we give him nothing until he gets bored, has a mid-life crisis, and decides to quit.
They also think that "long hours means you worked harder" so they spend long amounts of time at their desk working slow as fuck so that their piss easy assignments last all day.

They're even having a cultural crisis for the 2020 Olympics because they think they will have to sterilize their culture so that prude-fuck Westerners won't think they're gross.
Is it really so threatening to you that a country can be tied to America, but still have its own identity and culture?

>>78039867
>suiza (tiene como 4 lenguajes)
puta carajo cómo le hacen
Switzerland is mai waifu

>>78039953
Yes you are right, but it's not that I am talking about my friend, I am talking about the maintenance of their culture which has been systematically replaced by US-values. Have you ever seen how much the country has changed from WW2? The Japanese value above everything order and the maintenance of a orderly and stable society. One example of this corruption is that women back in WW2 were forbidden from having jobs because they were entitled to have kids and further increase the population of the society, also they were entitled to raise the families, and this is a century old tradition. The first thing MacArthur did in WW2 was flexibilize the work legislation so it could become like the US, which entitled females to have jobs. And the japanese women having to deal with this cultural conflict now has either to choose doing a men's role or a women's role in society, and because of it the fertility rate plummeted, also because man are now feeling useless, especially because prior to WW2 it was honor working and serving their nation and their emperor, and one of the first things MacArthur did in Japan was to take away the Emperor's power and make him publicly declare he isn't a god, and for the Japanese men now there is no reason to work but existing, and since even women are doing their jobs. Also the Japanese media constantly praises how foreigners and everything that is foreign is superior, hence the japanese would better appreciate something foreigner than something national. You are looking at this in one frame comparing the differences between the US and Japan, I am looking into the Future, and the tendency is just like every US-puppet nation to make Japan bleed until they accept USA and Globalization values

>>78032668
How does United South Brazil sound? USB

>>78040085
>women in the workplace
How does this have anything to do with order and maintenance? If anything, this was inevitable. Even North Korea has female regiments in the army.

>take away the Emperor's power
Look at Britain now. How involved is the British royal family really involved in British politics? Every time the House of Lords tries to do anything big or showy, people threaten to restrict their power.

>honor working and serving their emperor
That's funny because in every movie Japan ever made about the times before and during war, the Emperor was never mentioned. It was always about their country, their homeland, their people. Look at the movie Yamato (2005).

>fertility rate
This has nothing to do with westernization and everything to do with the insane work culture, unrealistic expectations of both men and women caused by works of fiction, and an increasing trend in services that allow you to live your life without seeing other people.

>japanese would better appreciate something foreigner
blatantly wrong, they're highly xenophobic. You know how many refugees they took in? Exactly seven.

Again,
>only my autistic understanding of someone else's culture is their real culture. Yamatodamashi!

>>78040266
>Ah yes let's ignore the Japanese perspective and only analise the matters through my American POV
No wonder you guys can't understand the world and simply believe you are giving freedom to the whole world, and not really destroying it because it gives you money

>South American thread
>ctrl + f "Mex"
>20 results

Every time.

>>78040326
>ignore the Japanese perspective
>while watching the movies they made about their own history
yeah, that's reading comprehension all right

>>78034310
Plano Sarney.

>>78040326
And for all your lack of perspective, here is the actual Japanese perspective on westernization.
http://goboiano.com/bbc-reporter-claims-anime-and-manga-promotes-pedophilia/
tl;dr some British bitch thinks she knows what's good for an entire country, guy who wrote Girls und Panzer shut her down.

>>78040406
Ah yes, it's not like movies serve a political agenda especially in a orderly country like japan that is after WW2 a US-ally. Do you honestly think they would say bad things about the emperor and attack your culture and your leadership in the world?

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>>78032668
Why so many autists here insist with the one single country shit? We never were a single country or Viceroyalty to begin with, or have more in common other than speaking the same language.

>>78040473
The movie Yamato (2005) had no Americans in it at all. It was ALL about Japan and the Japanese. It does not demonize Imperial Japan at all.

Try watching some of these movies instead of off-handedly rejecting them based on some Hollywood jew conspiracy who have no power in Japan.

>>78040486
yeah, you didn't read it. Again.
You're a fucking moron, holy shit.

What a waste of time this is.

>>78040469
m8, Girls und Panzer is basically an anime sucking the US dick and promoting the destruction of Japanese culture. Also the Japanese media isn't impartial at all, if anything their whole entertainment industry wants above everything to distract from their nihilism
>>78040513
>The movie Yamato (2005) had no Americans in it at all. It was ALL about Japan and the Japanese. It does not demonize Imperial Japan at all.
Don't you get it my friend, it's not about having americans or not, it's about nationalism and praising their own culture, you cant see this because you fail to understand what is Japanese culture, a whole movie to entertain people about WW2, and not really serve a society productive purpose is totally against Japanese Culture, this whole anime culture and entertainment culture is basically byproduct of the American Invasion post-WW2. The Japanese are by excellence a community society, everything has a community reason to exist, and the entertainment industry in Japan exists to fill the nihilistic void from after WW2, hence why everything that is exported overseas is not really a byproduct of what originally was the Japanese culture or the Japanese reality nowadays, but a byproducted of their diseased and nihislistic spiritless society post-WW2. You want to see some real Japanese Culture nowadays? Check Tomb of the Fireflies or Mishima books, or even the first Shin Megami Tensei for the SNES.

>>78040353
lmao we are the most mentioned Latin American country ITT by far.