If Turks were Christian, would we consider them white?

>>77939710
I would consider them as Greek or Hittite

>>77939710
Chances are there wouldn't have been such a huge influx of Kurdo-Arabian genetics to Anatolia without Muslim Ottomans, so probably.

you lot count armenians as white just because they're christian
think about that for a second

>>77939710
yes

>>77939847
yes, and ? what's wrong with it ? armenians are based, literally all the ones i know are

>>77939847
Armenians are people though.
Turks are baboons.

>>77939936
I didn't said they weren't based or something like that, ask someone from cacaus region what armenians look like, then you get your answer
>>77939964
hmm what would be the cause of this immense butthurt?

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>>77940009
living in a city full of Turks

"whiteness" is just an Amerifat concept with no real meaning IRL

Amerifats have no understand of ethnicity, and therefore think that "white" is an ethnic group.

>>77939710
White people don't exist. There are germans, french and russians, but there are no white people. White is a construct invented by americans to feel better about their scattered heritage, when really they are nothing but mongrels.

Lol no. We hate whites. Its not about religion even atheist turks hate wh*te dogs.

roaches aren't humans sorry

>>77940058
yes, be mad at us instead of people allowing that
you're basically complaining thieves get into your house every night but you refuse to lock your door

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we will NEVER seek to be considered like to the wh*Te dogs

>>77939784
>Unironically thinking there are hittites here
wh*Te education everybody :DDDDDDdd

>>77940105
>White people don't exist.
t. Emre Gundogan

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>>77939847
this armenian soldier. also white isn't a thing its some fucking retarded anglo term

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how many whites do you actually see?
i see 3 or 5

>>77939710
turks on average have 15% central asian genetics in them also white isn't real

>>77940058
I hope they rape your mother in front of you m8

>>77940215
i see alot of mongoloid features in those turks arslan what are you hiding?

>>77940215
9 desu

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>>77940107
>>77940127
>>77940158
>>77940247
Truly an intelligent and advanced people.

>>77939710
We already have Christian Turks, they're called Hungarians

>>77940180
>one single person perfectly summarises every member of his nation

>>77940219
>also white isn't real
white is white skin
How is that difficult to comprehend?

>>77940117
I hate islam but honestly I've never understood the whole butthurt against Turks

They had a pretty decent empire, and they beat the Greeks/Byzantines fair and square. You can bitch about "but muh russia was going to win Constantinople back" all you want, but that's primarily the fault of the Brits and French.

At their height they simply steamrolled the Balkans. And while their cultural and scientific contributions were never on par with those of Western and Southern Europeans, they were impressive in their own right, certainly better than those of Eastern Europeans for example. Even when they lost their empire, you have to respect the way they emerged from the ashes in their war of independence following WW1. Again, they won fair and square, no need to be butthurt about it.

And yes, Turkish emigrants are absolute dogshit, but so are most emigrants. Italians cause even more crime and problems than Turks do, and yet they get a free pass for some reason. Besides, it's not like Turkey is forcing us to accept their emigrants, we could easily tell them "no".

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>>77939710

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>>77939936
>>77939964
*ahem*

>>77939710
No. We don't consider Ethiopians or Copts white either, even though they are Christian.

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>>77940263
no i'm genuinely curious what you call white
I mean, if Turks are white then pretty much everyone in the world is white.

>>77940336
Okay mister 56%

>>77940320
i mean in the term "white" race

>>77939710
Not sure about white, but def. European, now though Turks are mysterious creatures, mix of Europe, Asia, Africa.

>>77940418
>africa
>africa
>africa
explain now

>>77940387
i don't believe in the '"white" race

>>77940438
our niggerposting on pol led people think that we're actually african

>>77940438
Well you brought people as slaves and as Janissaries from all around now, didn't you?

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I love how these retarded roaches rage over people calling them roach although they are the ones how they keep acting like retarded cucks.

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>>77939710
Some are

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>>77940502

>>77940496
not all around, only from balkans
there was something called algerian janissaries but they were janissary only in name and never left north africa
at least make your research before you make a statement like that

>>77940496
Slaves were mostly in Istanbul.
In Anatolia there were only Turkmens and some Greeks.

>>77940496
>janissaries became turks

>>77939710
>If Turks were Christian, would we consider them white?
There are Christian Turks in Turkey.The problem is that they are still Turks.
It is not their religion but they subhuman culture and nationality.
>inb4 butthurt rape baby
You are hated all around the globe.It is your toxic behavior right now that make everyone shit on you and not something that happened 130 years ago.You are literally gypsy tier zero integration mongrels.

>>77940557
I counted Arabs as someone from Africa too. Didn't mean black by writing Africa at all.
Europe, Asia, North Africa, better?

>>77940606
Well what the hell did they do? Raised as Turks and integrated into society I bet many stayed an didn't return home?

>>77940658
Last janissaries were genocided by Mahmud II
Also janissaries were not numerous enough to make a genetic difference

>>77940620
I wish we were globally hated. Only based nations can achieve that. Like americans israelis russians etc. Sadly we are only hated by our useless ex slaves which isnt something to be proud of.

>>77940658
after they were disbanded many of them returned home and did mercenary work

>>77940630
turks aren't mixed with arabs
arabs never controlled places where turks live
also i just explained how we had nothing to do with any african, arab or berber

Autist anti wh*Te turk post that admixture thingy itt

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>>77940542
source pls

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>>77940799
i got it from 2ch

>>77939710
Turks are Armenian
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/are-turks-acculturated-armenians/#.WYSh-iMpBnE

>>77940677
>>77940711
There were probably many before those who got genocided?
>>77940755
Well I have seen lots of Turks and boy do you have people looking as European as Asians and as Arabs as well (might be Kurds idk.).

>>77940755
There was a lot of gene sharing during the Ottoman Empire.

You colonised all the way down to Yemen, you're bound to have imported some arab genes.

Perhaps some Somali genes too considering the fact that you did reach Yemen.

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>>77940888
that study is actually wrong if you read it well.
it only compares Persians, Armenians and Turks. And that POO IN LOO thought we wuz armenz an shiet.
here's actual genetic study

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>>77940755
>turks aren't mixed with arabs
>write in arabic
>have a ton of arabic words
>try to remove them and rebrand their country to turkic once they suffer a national crisis
Whatever you say Mahmud Al-Cockroach.You are pathetic beyond words.

>>77940888
Armenians invaded anatolia like turks did. They werent natives

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>>77940888
>Dienekes
Yes that butthurt pontic greek who tested Orphan Kurds as Turks is totally a reliable source

>>77940934
persians use arabic script too, are they arabs?
or a better question why am i even bothering to reply to you fuckin rapebaby
>>77940889
janissaries were massacred, not genocided but only in istanbul, remaining ones went back to balkans
there weren't many before that happened, they were at their peak when they were disbanded

>>77940934
No arab can read ottoman turkish. However turks can if they know arabic alphabet.
And most turks only used basic turkish instead of ottoman one dumb rapebaby.

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go home turkic man

>>77939710
If Turks were Christian, they would be Greeks. And they aren't white either.

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>>77941214
SHOO SHOO wh*Te subhuman

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>>77941052
>are they arabs?
Stop believing your meme nation propaganda Mahmud.You are most definitely not turkic,you got your religion and writing from arabs and trying to say you didn't mix with them is just the delusions of a person ashamed of his ancestry.

You also act like Arabs btw.

>>77941231
What made you be a poster like that? What did white people do to you that you hate them so much?

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>>77941231
t*rk telling other people who are subhumans

>>77941259
can you retarded rapebaby please fuck of from this thread? You just make me want to jump on my horse, ride to Bulgaria and behead your father and rape your mother in front of you.

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>Turks LITERALLY BELIEVE they have NO arab DNA

lmao

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>>77941300
>can you retarded rapebaby please fuck of from this thread?
Cry moar Mahmud.Being in denial is not helping you but is hella funny to watch.

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>>77941348
i'm hispanic so it doesn't effect me nice try tho arslan

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>>77941396
again, rapebaby, i ordered you to fuck off from this thread.
also i'm not him if you're wondering. I just hate butthurt subhuman balkanrapebabies. Also calling us "Arab" is actually better than calling us wh*Te

>>77941457
>Also calling us "Arab" is actually better
AHAHAHA i am going to screencap this for future threads.Glorious slip up.
>inb4 every turkroach suddenly claims that this is an actual arab posting
No takebacks Mahmud.Btw when are you going to admit that you are actually 100% arab?

1. There is no such thing as white you anglo scumbag.

2. You can't become germanic by being christian.

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>>77941581
>than calling us wh*Te
why didn't you read this part rapebaby? Or did you crop out this part on purpose?
also i'm going to mention it again
Arabs are way better than wh*Te subhumans
wh*Te subhumans are effeminate subhumans, Arabs are at least managed to conquer wh*Te lands
Also, haven't i told you to fuck off from this thread, rapebaby?

>>77940078
t. muhammad pajeet jones-schmidt

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>>77941457

>>77941643
>1. There is no such thing as white you anglo scumbag.
Is this a meme now?
You're the 5th person ITT who's said it.

How did all these niggers get onto 4chan?

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>>77941457
What does balkangruel mean? And why did this guy only draw raping?

>>77941674
>>77941457
>wh*Te "artists" actually drew their women getting FUARKd by Turkish ALFA MALES

>>77941768
he wanted a turkic yağlı güreçşi to rape him but it never happened so he got butthurt and draw turks raping women.

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>>77941674
>Also, haven't i told you to fuck off from this thread, rapebaby?
MMmmmm there is nothing better than the life energy of young roachies getting buttblasted on the internet.

P.S. Turks are not Turkic,Turks are a mix of rapebabies and arabs.Turkey is a meme, an artificial country in place of the Ottoman empire.

>>77941768
It's Gräuel. It means, abominable.
Guy was an Austrian caricaturist, painter and writer.

>>77941768
Its a german word. It roughly means Balkan atrocities

>>77941785
Actually he was mad we did not wipe you from the face of the earth and I have to agree with him, all that stupid infighting in Europe is the reason we have todays problem.
Still it is not too late to remove all kebab and strike your existence from the history books.

>>77941457
>>77941768
>draw your fetish
>call it high art

man I wish I lived in the 1800s

>>77941959
always talk, no action. discount german.

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>>77941891
It seems you balkanrapebabies forgot what happens when you don't obey your Turkish masters' commands.
Also i'm going to mention it again, calling me Arab is not worse than calling me wh*Te.
>u-ur butthurt kid
meanwhile you're replying to me out of butthurt
now SHOO you Untermensch.

>>77941988
Guy did a lot of erotica and don't forget that at the time pretty much all of the Balkans belonged to the Empire.

This was to remind people of Osman atrocities.

no one mentioned but that uzb*k got btfo itt :DDDD idk what's his beef with us tho.

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>>77941959
The wh*te (noit using capital W out of disrespect) "race" is breathing it's last breaths. Soon the entirety of it's lands will belong to it's rightful owners (US becomes BLACK while Europe ISLAMIC)

>>77942085
Cute.
Remember that when the robots we invented come for you. Maybe it will be impressed by your chimping, before it drags you into the vermin disposal unit.

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>>77942177
>when the robots we invented come for you

>>77942024
>a sad roach dreaming of the past
>his meme of a country is becoming a radical islamic shithole(not that it wasn't before but even more so now)
>have a sultan dictator on the throne
>soon to be broken apart from inside when the kurds split out
>hated all around the world
It would be almost sad if it wasn't so funny.

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>>77942177
>Remember that when the robots we invented come for you
screencapped for future generations to witness autism

>>77942243
>Turk believes robotics is science-fiction
I'm not even surprised.

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>>77942302
>discount german believes complex warfare capable robots will be invented and mass produced tomorrow

>>77942366
>Turk thinks they are not invented yet.
Man you subhumans sure are stupid.

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>>77942085
Black usa? Kek

This thread wasnt so bad until autistic german brags about robots.

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>>77942302
>he wasn't joking
LAWL, LET ME LAUGH EVEN HARDER

the only wh*TE that will exist will do so in the harems of SLAVIC, BLACK, and TURK beys

>>77942426
Chinks aren't wh*TE ameridogs. Ameridogs bend over to the BLACK MASTERRACE

>>77942498
german? hes even worse. hes an austurian! hundreds of years of inbreeding really created wonders.

>>77942498
That's probably what people said before they were shelled with mustard gas for the first time in WW1 or the japs thought before they got nuked.

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>>77942541
Black master race
>dutch flag

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>>77942498
>>77942544
>>77942366
Are you really this stupid?Maybe you don't know what the word robots includes?Google it up.

I know that you are delusional Turkroaches but come on.Get on with the times.

>>77939710
>If Turks were Christian
so armenians?

>>77942818
HAhahahahaha
no

>>77942703
BLACKS are the masterrace in the united AMERIDOG states. every percent that gets shaved off the remaining 56% is a BLESSED percent, every percent is a percent LOVED by God

>>77940620
>There are Christian Turks in Turkey.The problem is that they are still Turks.
>It is not their religion but they subhuman culture and nationality.

Let's go down the list. Russians are also Christian, but their culture and mentality are still primitive.

Why is this rape baby still here? Is he begging for my you's like gypsies do? No wonder why we call gypsies and rapebabies "bulgar" here. Maybe they really share same ancestors.

>>77939710
>>77939710
Seriously though Turks should just accept Christianity and speak Greek because then they would be considered white if I had that choice I would take it

>>77943058
you haven't answered this >>77940924

I consider Turks as the North-Koreans of the middle-east.

>>77942582
those people weren't shittalking each other in an anonymous mongolian horse breeding forum
what kind of an autism makes a person suddenly start talking about robots out of nowhere, fucking hell
just shittalk normally mate, otherwise it's just a waste of your time
>>77943058
>if I had that choice I would take it
pathetic

>>77942784
>turkroaches are proven to be retarded
>zero replies
>now they are silent
Pathetic and disgusting.Worst posters on /int/, that's for sure.

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>>77939710
>If Turks were Christian, would we consider them white?
nein nein nein

>>77943612
His Smile And Optimism: Gone

>>77942784
sorry i was out for sports i am not a nolifer you know.

>predator drone
its not a fully autonomous robot, someone pilots it and drops the bombs. it doesnt really understand what is a threat and what is not.
>that silly little toy like thing
come on now.

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>>77943993
>sorry i was out for sports

>>77944033
you want oil wrestlers now? :^)

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>>77940336
Some do pic related.

>>77943213
>Being prideful for no reason while having the option to improve
Ah yes those Indo European genes are showing

>>77944580
Of course Karluks who have never accomplished anything would be willingful to assimilate but unlike you we were relevant

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>>77944742
Top b8
>We accomplished something
Who is this we?

>>77945205
>we
Seljuks
Safavids
Ottomans

>>77945433
You're not oghuz you can only claim Ottomans as yours the rest is larp

>>77945501
Explain why do Turks have >>77940924 that weird Turkic population in their genetic calculators then.
ps: you're full of shit.

>>77945594
I don't care about your dumb studies you didn't even prove the Armenian study wrong I linked the majority academic consensus is your not very Turkic you're full of shit now kys

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>>77945697
I did prove it wrong. It only compares 3 populations. If Uzbeks were compared to Vietnamese and Persians and you clustered with Persians would you say you're Persian?
IDK why are you assblasted about us though.

>>77939847

I'm white, I don't consider Armenians to be white. I consider them Christian Arabs.

>>77945780
I'm not ass blasted you hypocrite you start shit not me

>>77940215
even the few """white""" looking ones look like Balkan rapebabies, so none.

No. Southern Europeans aren't even considered White.

>>77940332

Armenians are more Arab than Turks. Kek

>>77945997
By whom exactly? By a basement dwelling, virgin, fat and ignorant American mongrel like yourself?

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>>77946017
It's kind of a shit map
here's a better one

>>77941346

Primary Turkish genetics:
>Native Anatollians
>Arabs
>Kurds/Iranians

Secondary:
>Churkas
>Turkics
>Greeks
>Albanians
>Slavs

Tertiary:
>Gypsies
>North Africans
>Other Europeans
>Some negroid

Turks are a mystery meat nation anon. You have to feel sorry for them.

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>>77946335
Please refrain from talking about subjects that you don't know.
Thank you very much.

>>77939710
We are christians and nobody considers us white, so the answer is no.

>>77946319

>Iran cluster right next to Saudi Cluster

Persians are Arabs, btfo'd

>>77946417
I mean
>Listing every population that you know
>h-hey you mixed with them KID
Either a troll or just don't know anything about genetics.
>>77946520
They're both middle easterners, however, Iran is more South Asian influenced and a bit whiter

>>77946417

You're study literally shows how connected you are to the groups I mentioned you dumb turkroach. Besides that's just one sample not an average. Their are Turks that are almost purely genetically European and then there are Turks that are part negroid. You guys are mixed Brazil/American tier.

>>77946654
Again, you're just retarded and don't know a shit about us.
Turks are mostly a mix of Southern Central Asians (Turkmens) and Southern Europeans, i see no "negroid" or "arab" or "kurd" "native anatolian" or anything like that
you're just a dumbass who talks out of his ass.
also
>that's just one sample not average
close to turkish average. I also posted >>77945780 and >>77940924
and "negroid turks" don't exist here, sorry pal, it seems turks on pol set your ass on fire.

>>77946654
Don't waste your time arguing with him.

>>77946812
>my ass is on fire
>i possess no knowledge
>my iq is lower
>"don't waste your time bro lol"
If you talk shit about us expect me to correct it.
I'll not let any of you retards to brainwash any of us. Period.

>>77946759

>close to Turkish average

Yet to be shown or proven. How many samples you have in total of those plots? 2-3, 7 or 8 doesn't matter because you don't have any to constitute an average you fag.

Turks are mixed and yea some Turks have negroid in them but not much, Sicilian tier amount.

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>>77946950
pic related. AFAIK the sample is over 40 or 60. some turks from specific cities (adana, aydın, kayseri, trabzon) were also tested.

>>77946654
>part negroid

Turkey has SSA admixture at European levels and probably lower than the European max which is in Iberia (which is ~3% basically)

and there are no Anatolian Turks that have no Turkic ancestry from what I've seen, it's just a very variable component due to its recent introduction. the only 'almost pure genetically European' Turks are Muslim Balkanites who migrated there during the 19th and early 20th centuries that haven't extensively intermixed with the locals or Bulgarian Turks, some of whom are basically Bulgarian genetically. but the vast majority of Turks falls in the first category

>>77947002

40-60 is a low sample and therefore not reliable anon.

>>77946899
Everything you said is wrong you have no proof just cherry picked data you don't believe in haplogroups because you know it proves you wrong so you go and use this other data but never show full studies I don't care about your shitty opinions about the data. I already said the majority of academics disagree with you on the Turkish thing and you cherry picking data will never prove shit you low iq nigger I don't care about the genetic thing I was just making a joke you're the one who was butt blasted you nigger

>>77947039

Is that maternal or paternal negroid admixture? Unlike in Iberia and Italy negroid admixture is mostly paternal while in Turkey it's maternal since they castrated their nigger male Slaves but bred with their women.

>>77947059
its more reliable than your no-data

>>77947120
>bred with negros
dude just stop. at this point you have proven your iq is below 0.

>>77947120
I think studies have found both male and female SSA haplogroups at very low levels

>>77947074
>you don't believe in haplogroups
because they're not reliable. it's been proven over and over again. Majority of Uzbeks have J2, does that mean you're Hittite or Italian? No.
>majority of academics
hagop hagopyan and his studies maybe. or haplogroup studies, who knows. there was one study which said that we're 15-16% mongoloid on average but too lazy to find it.
>>77947059
turks from other cities also tested and not included in overall turk dna.
>>77947201
Turkish shitposting on pol made some people think that we're actually negroid

>>77947284
>Turkish shitposting on pol made some people think that we're actually negroid
people cant be that much idiot

and of course sub-saharan ancestry doesn't have to have jumped directly to Turkey. but it's true that the Ottomans imported some sub-Saharan Muslim slaves

there were even some in Crete but they left during the 19th century turmoil and with the population exchanges. there are still a few black Muslims in Syria who speak Cretan Greek

>>77947330
supposedly muslim slavery was forbidden. hence all harem were christian converts.

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>>77939847
Looks white to me desu.

>>77939964
This, fucking Turks.

>>77947201
>>77947264
>>77947319

In a mtDNA study of Turks from Achilli et al. (2007)

From a study of 340 Turks found 6 samples with mtDNA L , a total percentage of 1.76%

This means almost 2/100 Turks have African admixture. In a few Turkish province the Sub-Saharan mtdna is even higher.

>>77947715
she fulfills a giantess fetish too

>>77946074
By the world until the last few decades and only at their detriment at that.

>>77947750
>Still thinking haplogroups are relevant

>>77947750
thats a very low sample size as well.

>>77947854

Maternal genetics are actually more visible and accurate than paternal genetics nog.

>>77940497
i haven't seen this image in years. wow

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>>77939710
>Religion determines race

>>77947861

It's six fold higher than 40-60 samples anon therefore it's more reliable.

>>77947750
you can find both SSA mtDNA and Y-DNA at very low percentages. same with most European countries actually. most samples often miss them though since they're very low in the first place

also mtDNA L seems to have made it that far north quite early, Neolithic (or Chalcolithic don't remember) Spain had some

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No, wh*tes are cucks, cCcturkscCc are cool and asiatic, like me.

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Maternal negroid admixture map.

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>>77947823
She's indeed a big girl(6'4''/193cm)

>>77947002
>www.haplogruplar.com

Didnt you say that haplogroups are shit?

>>77947955

All mtdna L admixture is a result of Islamic slave trade anon. Turks have negroid admixture and that's that.

>>77948027
>>77947887
haplogroups=trash

>>77948027
Which mtDNA belongs to which group?

>>77948081

>being this retarded

Maternal haplogroups aren't trash and are more accurate in determining race than paternal haplogroups. Jews find out their Jews by looking at their maternal haplogroups since in all of human history most genetic migrations are paternal rather than maternal. In other extreme cases we have deportation and slavery which can explain maternal genetic migrations especially from subsaharan Africa to Europe and Asia.

Turks are nigger blooded and that's that.

>>77948039
I like her

>>77948027
sure but it's low and the gradients I'm sure aren't entirely due to actual samples. I realize you're trolling and all but this sort of mtDNA made its way even to Europe much earlier

>>77948081
they're pretty good for some things but it's true that they can become decoupled from general ancestry if they move through a few populations

>>77948039

Look at all those sub 170cm Turk manlets.

>>77948348

No it made its way to Europe through slavery not migrations otherwise we'd have more negroid admixture dumbass.

>>77948295
I wish I was black desu.

>>77948348
Good taste.

>>77948365
S-s-shut up, dude!

>>77948418
kek i wish. but you have no idea about ottoman slavery underage. less than 1000 blacks lost their dick. and they were harem guards.
its ok though. when you finish your high school and read several books we can discuss it.

>>77939710
>>77939710
>If Turks were Christian, would we consider them white?

There are christian turks. BULGARIANS. Are you consider bulgarians to be white? Here's ur answer.

>>77948517
Bulgarians, Hungarians and Turks come from the same part of the world but they all adopted different cultures and in the end that plays a factor for these skull fuckers I think.

>>77948418
stop trolling nigga. some Central African groups have R1b-V88 at huge percentages but they barely have any Eurasian ancestry, even though that's where it came from

and mtDNA L making its way up to at least Iberia in prehistoric times to some limited extent is confirmed with ancient data (but I'm sure continuing interactions with north Africa brought more)

>>77948513

>Less than 1000 black guards

And what about just regular black slaves dumbass? Blacks were considered the cheapest slaves in the ottoman market.

Ya I know the red pill about your people hurts anon.

>>77948588

Bulgarian and Hungarians arent a mixture of a hundred different ethnicities like the Turks. That's the difference cigan.

>>77948600

[Citation need]

Niggers with R1b just proves that humanity didn't start in Africa.

>>77948681
Yeah they just kept fucking each other and never someone else lol

I found this
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/09/who-are-anatolian-turks-reappraisal-of.html

>turks
>people
lel just look at this thread, they are clearly beneath actual humans

>>77948847
>Still posting Dienekes the butthurt pontic greek who tested Orphan Kurds as Turks
>Posting haplogroup studies
you're being boring

>>77948724
lol

>>77948893
that paper is not by Dienekes. and Dienekes's early experiments were pretty good, he found some 5-10% East Asian from what I remember which he extrapolated to some ugh 20%? Turkic if using some modern Central Asian Turks as proxies. that's a part you can disagree with but based on what we had at the time (and until we have actual early Turkic Anatolian samples), it was good

>>77949104
I saw the study and it's a haplogroup one

>>77948893
> Every time a study proves something contrary to what I want it's because of politics
Yes it's the boogey Greek kurd Balkans who don't want to give honor to the right honest Turkish man

>I don't believe in haplogroups
Ok good for you

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>>77949427
"Actual studies" don't contradict what i post.
You can go cry about it, but that won't change the truth
>ok good for you
Tell me my hittite brother, why do you have j2 as your main haplogroup?

>>77949514
what's Uzbek J2? I assume it's majority J2a and probably associated with Iranian Neolithic expansions to Central Asia

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>>77949616
ancient hittites just like uyghurs.

>>77949717
in all fairness, the Hittites must have had a lot of J2a. there's an expansion of J2 (evident in that map another Turk anon, maybe you, posted in another thread) that's likely partly associated with the Iranian Neolithic and partly Bronze Age movements from the general area

so it's both early expansions from the southwest to the northeast and later Turkic expansions from the northeast to the southwest

>>77939710
Wouldn't a bunch just be Greek? The others would get treated like Armenians, sort of white, hairy, trashy and with a powerful attraction to BBC.

>>77939847
>you lot count armenians as white just because they're christian
The're Christian Churkas.

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>>77949514
actual studies = whatever is correct for me
also, stop with the cherry picking we have j2 since we mix with Iranic people
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3025785/figure/fig1/

>>77940105
>>77940078
Yes.....Americans invented white....we definitely didn't get it from our former colonial lords....no, not at all....

>>77950181
Nah you're not Iranic you're Hittite. We share the same haplogroups.

>>77950323
Iranians are majority J2

>>77950425
k Hittite boy
Still waiting for you to realize that haplogroups are shit. I wonder how long will it take.

>>77949717

>H 8%

Surprised that Uyghurs have gypsy maternal ancestry. This is clearly a result of horrible mixture. Uyghurs used to be white tocharians...

>>77950549
The Candian already BTFO'D you nigger. You didn't even make a serious reply don't start acting big to me now

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>>77950726
>the canadian btfo'd you
he didn't say anything he's just talking about haplogroups and didn't show any source at all
And i'm posting actual genetics here. Better know something before you talk about it.
>>77950596
it does not mean what you think.

>>77950726
>h-hey don't be so tough on me I don't have any arguements

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>>77944580
sorry for the late reply
>>being prideful for no reason while having the option to improve
what kind of a cuckery is this
do you think if you started telling people about how le ubermensch you are and conformed to their way of life that would improve you
you are what you are, it has nothing to do with pride
if you want to improve yourself you go read books or lift weights or whatever the fuck you want instead of fitting into some standard that is marketed as better than others
I insulted many people on this board just for the memes but I genuinely don't know what to say against such a subhuman mentality

>>77950837
bunlar katiyen eğitilmez bunlarla tartışmaya devam etmemin sebebi 2-3 tane cahil cühela adamın beynini yıkamasınlar diye yoksa çekip gideceğim. yalnız nasıl bir halksak internette her kesimin nefretini toplamışız lel :DD

>>77950970
hocam HİÇBİR tiradı rahat bırakmıyorsunuz
int de bile yem atıp bekliyorsunuz

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>>77939710
No. if Turks were white, then we'd consider them christain.

>>77951029
bu köyde 1 ay daha varım sosyal hayatım 0 şu an fındık toplamayı bekliyorum tabii toplayacaksak.

>>77951104
şaka maka haklısın bu piçler eğitilmez
bu özbek piçi de sırf onu dışlamasınlar diye bu kadar ev zenciliği peşinde bence

Lamest thread yet 2000 replies.

>>77951148
neyseki gerçek hayattaki orta asyalılar 4chandekiler gibi değil animeci bi kazak var onu seviyorum diğerleri niyeyse otistik ve eğitilmiyor

>>77951294
o dediğin şahıs da çok farklı değil bu tiraddakinden
hepsi istemli veya istemsiz olarak rus propagandası yutuyor sonuç olarak da anadolu türklerini yabancılama eylemi

>>77950827
please look here >>77948295

>>77950837
Yes, I am not a genetic expert I admit it so I can't sniff your pseudo science BS as easily the Canadian can. He made a reply but you don't answer yet bring up the fact of haplogroups to me because you know I can't make good response

>>77950970
Ah yes I am so smart everyone else is so dumb. turkcha gaprim siz mendan bikitmasizne ?

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>>77951501
>I'm not a genetic expert
At least you admit it. This is why i'm not being too harsh on you.
>pseudo science
since when genetic testing became pseudo science? it's way more real than haploshits which say nothing. You could be J1 yet have 0.1% actual Arab dna. This is why Turkmens and Central Africans, both have R1b, have nothing in common.

you should read about autosomal dna and genetic calculators on gedmatch.

>>77951501
kek I know you, no matter how hard you are given counter-proofs to your arguments, tomorrow you will say "turks aren't turkic, I can't understand what they're saying" and base your whole life on 4chan memes again

>>77951638
işin komiği kendimize hadi diyelim kendimize yunan dedik 2-3 gün sonra millet gelir siz aslında yunan değilsiniz şu kadar moğol dnasına sahipsiniz kalkülatörlerde orta asya barbarları çıkıyor larper kek cuck falan diyecekler 4chan'de.

>>77951782
bunların mentalitesi tamamen bizim götümüze iğne olmak
yarın anlaşalım hepimiz sözde h*t*t olduğumuzu kabul edip anadolu milliyetçisi olalım, hatti, frig devletlerini yüceltelim hemen anında bunlar düşer "siz moğolsunuz orta asyadan geldiniz avrupai bir ırk larp'ı yapıyosunuz" der

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>>77940107
>>77940127
>>77940158
>>77940247

These people had an empire for over 500 years

>>77951638
Turks aren't Turkic even if I buy the 15% thing they still aren't also I don't understand Turkish not lying
>inb4 your this percentage Turkic and therefore not Turkic
Ok fine I'm not Turkic than I'm Iranid I don't care as long as you Turks admit it too

>>77951782
>>77951907
öyle moruQlar
şimdi piÇlere b*yazbok diyoruz diye gıcık olmaya başladılar ama birkaç ay önce b*yaz olayını ilk başlattığımızda siz de b*yazsınız diyordu PİÇlerden bazıları :DDDddddddd

>>77952081
our claims: turks are a mix of oghuzes and anatolian greeks. but culturally, religiously, linguistically more related to oghuzes than to the latter.
your claim: look at haplogroups that mean nothing.
is it that hard to understand?

>>77952081
why the fuck would I admit something untrue so that some autist on 4chan will accept me?
the reason you cannot understand turkish is because it's in a different subbranch than yours
we, azeris and turkmens understand each other well

>>77952125
hakkaten türkler b*Yazdır memesini BBC postlayarak öldürdük :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD artık kimse Türkler b*Yazdır demiyor :DDD diyen b*Yaz piçlerini anında susturuyorlar banlıyorlar :DDD

>>77952081

Overall i agree but
> I don't understand Turkish not lying
to be specific it's because you speak karluk, not oghuz language

>>77952286
Culturally: Turko-Persian
Religiously: Sunni Hanafi and Alevi even though it's an Arab religion the sects are different.

>>77952286
if you seek an actual result of centuries of mixed ethnicities you just have to look in the mirror

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Kara boğa atın
Kara boğalar çok seksi oluyor b*Yaz piçlerinden 10 kat iyiler

>>77952171
>culturally
Persian/Byzantine
>religiously
Arab
>linguistically
Hodgepodge mongrel mix
>>77952328
Whats the Turko part? rape? slave soldier?

>>77952438
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turko-Persian_tradition

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>>77952382
moruQ bu kara boğalar zebellah gibiler yav b*Yaz piçleri yanında kedi kadar kalıyorlar :DDDDDD

>>77952474
>actually replying seriously to shitposting wh*teshit
AXXXXXXXXX :dDdd

>>77952382
Throw the black bull
Black bull is very sexy b * 10 times better than summer bastards

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>>77952612
you're right my teacher wh*Tes are subhumans
ha bu arada Kamal dün gece ne şitpostladı be :DDDDDDDDDDDDDd

Özbek gitti sanırım eğitildi sonunda
Ulan bu Türkleri eğitilmez sanıyordum da Orta Asya Türkoları daha da eğitilmezmiş :DDDDDDDDDDDD acaba sinirinden otomat kırmaya mı gitti :DDDDDDDDD

>>77952824
yok ya ne eğitilecek
gidip gırtlak müziği falan açıp gözlerini kapatıp kendini emir timur olarak ankarayı işgal ettiğini falan hayal ediyodur :DDDDD

>>77952171
>>77952220
If we buy everything you say you're 15% Oghuz and I'm not even talking about haplogroups I'm saying that's still not enough to call yourself Turkic that's like how some White people call themselves Native American just because they are 1/8th Native American it's delusional also
>culturally
This meme needs to die you're not as culturally similar to Central Asian people as you think you are I'm almost certain I'm close to Turkmen culturally than you are also certain genetically I'm closer to them than you are.
>religously
You're religiously the same to Arabs as to Turkmen doesn't prove anything
>linguistically
Don't lie to me they have done mutual intelligibility tests Turkmen is hard for Turkish people to understand and don't bring up Azeri's that's a separate issue.

>>77953051
seriously just stop
with every post you become more cringy
when I first heard turkmen national anthem i thought it was an alternative to ours
yeah, azeris are a different case because you have no arguements
you know in your head we're just arabs somehow stranded on greek land but facts like us understanding azeri and turkmen and also having cultural ties somehow baffles you

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>>77953051
>15% oghuz
Oghuzness is not calculated by mongoloid dna. Turkmens themselves are 30% mongoloid on average, minimum 15% maximum 55% this is why on calculators results are often like this.
>This meme needs to die you're not as culturally similar to Central Asian people as you think you are I'm almost certain I'm close to Turkmen culturally than you are also certain genetically I'm closer to them than you are.
>YANIYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Even historians themselves admit that Ottomans "brought a form of Iranian culture to walls of Vienna". And that culture is Turko-Persian tradition.
you haven't seen my genetics results or phenotype, why do you talk? also no i won't post my face.
>You're religiously the same to Arabs as to Turkmen doesn't prove anything
Ok so Alevis are actually Arab? Feels good to know. Also we're Sunni Hanafi, not Shafi or anything like that. But then again it's an Arab religion so not very different.
>Don't lie to me they have done mutual intelligibility tests Turkmen is hard for Turkish people to understand and don't bring up Azeri's that's a separate issue.
Are you actually retarded or something? Do you think we're speaking Greek here?

>>77953051
us being muslims are sign of us being non-turkic now?
that's fuckin rich coming from a karluk
your ancestors were the first ones to stop tengri worship and accept arabic sky god centuries before oghuz tribes

>>77953609
Yok yahu kendisi de müslü. Daha önce konuşmuşluğum var /IRA/ tiradlarında aLL*H piçine laf söyleyince götü yanmıştı biraz :DDD

>>77953256
You're a big fucking liar about the Turkmen thing
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/mutual-intelligibility-among-the-turkic-languages/

Look even all the gray wolf nationalists admit they have trouble understanding Turkmen you're a big fucking liar and Azeri's are their own issue about their Turkic nature I just don't want to waste my time up another rabbit hole.

>>77953358
30% is already pretty edge case, in my opinion, I would barely consider that Turkic again if that means I am not Turkic so be it but 15% is way too low I already said it's delusional level to call your self a Turk.

>Even historians themselves admit that Ottomans "brought a form of Iranian culture to walls of Vienna". And that culture is Turko-Persian tradition.
you haven't seen my genetics results or phenotype, why do you talk? also no I won't post my face.
OK? did I deny this? obviously, Turks have their own culture which is distinct but I'm saying it's not as similar to Central Asian culture as you all think it is. I've been to Turkey before I'm not saying its Greek culture may be Turko-Persian is the accurate term but it's not very Central Asian.

>Are you actually retarded or something? Do you think we're speaking Greek here?
Look above I'm saying Turkish isn't that mutually intelligible with Turkmen Jesus Christ even the most basic facts you all argue and insult it's getting annoying I'm not saying it isn't a Turkic or Oghuz language

>>77953609
Nigger when did I say anything about Muslim being non-Turkic? I am just saying it doesn't PROVE you are Turkic he brought up religion as proof of being Turkic follow the conversation properly, please. I hate Tengri larping especially from Turks

>>77953971
oh my god what level of cringe is this
it is me, a turk, that's saying i can understand turkmen just fine
so you go, and bring up something that was done by a non-turk and say i'm a liar
you know what whatever helps you sleep at night
listening to you, someone clueless might get the idea that uzbekistan would be the best country in the world if it wasn't associated with turkey

>>77953971
Again, you don't seem to understand some points, i'll make it clear
>30% is already pretty edge case, in my opinion, I would barely consider that Turkic again if that means I am not Turkic so be it but 15% is way too low I already said it's delusional level to call your self a Turk.
Turkicness for us does not mean mongoloid dna only. if that were the case, on the calculators, turks who have 10% 15% 20% mongoloid dna would not show up as 50% (insert a central asian people here)+ 50% Greek/Southern European. I have already proved you wrong by posting actual genetic results of turkish people. even the greek itt said you're dumb
>OK? did I deny this? obviously, Turks have their own culture which is distinct but I'm saying it's not as similar to Central Asian culture as you all think it is. I've been to Turkey before I'm not saying its Greek culture may be Turko-Persian is the accurate term but it's not very Central Asian.
ok we agree on this
>>77954059
>Nigger when did I say anything about Muslim being non-Turkic? I am just saying it doesn't PROVE you are Turkic he brought up religion as proof of being Turkic follow the conversation properly, please. I hate Tengri larping especially from Turks

let's play a history game
who brought Sunni Hanafi Islam to Anatolia
a) Ancient Hittites
b) Sassanids
c) Umayyads
d) Greeks
e) Seljuk Turkmens

>>77954205
f) ancient uzbeks
next one : what ethnicity was modu chanyu?
a) uzbek
b) uzbek
c) uzbek
d) uzbek
e) uzbek

>>77954160
I'm convinced you can't read I specifically brought up other hard core nationalists Turks who admitted they can't understand Turkmen in the comments just read it your self I can't wait for you to misinterpret this comment. Plus I will take a scientific study over anecdotal evidence from a Turk

>>77954205
It is for me look at Siberian Turkic people they are full mongoloid no race mixing they are truly full Turkic so if you are 15% then you are not Turkic

I know who brought Islam to Anatolia but that doesn't mean anything. Arabs first brought the religion to Turkic people since we accepted does that mean we are Arabs now? This is your argument

>>77954291
When did I say Uzbeks are good at all in this conversation? I haven't said anything about us at all you're so butthurt and delusional it's obvious

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>>77939710
>christianity
>anything to do with being white
LMAO

>>77954591
your arguments are non-existant
you've been given solid proof that acts as a counterpoint to your claims from the very start of the thread
your only rebuttal is "well i cannot understand turkish, clearly you're just delusional arabs, fuck all that scientific stuff, it was probably made a by someone like yourself"
the kyrgyz's ""arguement"" at least makes more sense, he just says "well your eyes are not mongoloid therefore you're just delusional arabs thinking you're turkic"
also, grey wolves aren't the go to guys when you want to prove something, most of them join the organisation so they have some backup, not because they're nationalists or something like that

>>77954591
>It is for me look at Siberian Turkic people they are full mongoloid no race mixing they are truly full Turkic so if you are 15% then you are not Turkic
this does not bother us. this is Seljuks' and Turkmens' problem, not ours, we claim to be descended from Seljuks and we don't deny that we're mixed or not pure. They were also mixed as well. Actually it's not even a problem, you're just sperging and being autistic.
>I know who brought Islam to Anatolia but that doesn't mean anything. Arabs first brought the religion to Turkic people since we accepted does that mean we are Arabs now? This is your argument
that means Arabs had a great cultural influence in c. asia. duh. then you mixed Islam with your culture and it became something else.
also it wasn't the Arabs who brought Islam to c. Asians, it was Persian merchants. Karluks couldn't resist Arabic bull maybe but that's not true for others.
I don't even know why you're even arguing.

>>77954654
You calling anyone else butthurt perfectly speaks for itself

>>77954780
k*Rgız aka rus PİÇi nereye gitti yav haftalardır yok ortada :DDDDDDDDD götü harlanmaktan dvach'e mi kaçtı :DDD

>>77946335
You mixed Secondary with Teritary

>>77955040
>My Gayreek ass is on fire

You need to live in a democracy to be white

>>77955097
Democracy was invented by Gayreeks and they're brown as shit

>>77954780
you're baiting me I'm not replying to you I never made an argument like what you said my argument is pretty much the same as the Kyrgyz argument

>>77954813
Okay just admit you aren't Turkic that's it I don't care who's problem it is whether it's Seljuq or Turkmen again if that means I'm not Turkic so be it

Why do you keep changing the argument and bringing irrelevant shit to try to one up me? Yes, Arabs or Persians or whoever had big cultural influence in Central Asia what does that have to do with my point which is Religion doesn't prove who you are?

>>77955122
It's not the only thing you need to have to be white, but it's one of the things you lack.

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>>77955097
get a load of this goy

>>77955165
Do you understand what "eğitilemez" or "katiyen eğitilemez" means?

>>77939710
Jamal and paco are christian, I dont care if they worship a kike on a stick or not.

>>77955185
>It's not the only thing you need to have to be white, but it's one of the things you lack.
we also lack
>black bulls for our wives
>LGBT rights
>chastity plastic lock
>black dildos
etc etc

>>77954989
sorma ya
ama onu ifşa etmeden önce çok fena göt yakoyodu sonra kendi götü yandı :DDDDD
>>77955165
>your eyed aren't mongoloid
is not an arguement
just man up and say what's causing this immense butthurt in you? Is it because when somebady says turk they're referring to turkish people instead of you?
or are you somehow ashamed of us, or ashamed to share the same language family so to speak?

>>77955480
k*Rgız ifşa mı oldu :DDDD

>>77955440
You also lack education, non-religious ties to the government and human rights

>>77955344
crying?

>>77955480
It is an argument which you decided to ignore I've been over this 15% mongoloid genes is not enough to claim to be Turkic I'm not too tired to go over why but the simple reason is I like the truth I would also tell a black man he isn't ancient Egyptian

>>77955517
ya bu PİÇ bi aralar çok kudurmuştu ya her gün bize nefret saçıyodu falan, sonra bu salak ex-ussr da kendini ten rengini attı, rus bildiğin
sonra bu PİÇe rus artığı olduğunu hatırlatınca afalladı ama tuhaftır ki yalanlamadı hatta nerden biliyosun falan filan dedi
ama PİÇ ya durmaz, hemen başka tiradda ben rus değilem kardaş hasbehas kırgızam demeye devam etti :DDD
ordan sonra da işte bu rus piçinin götünü yakmaya başladım diğer türkolar da katıldı :DDDD

>>77955845
eğitilemez= cannot be educated
katiyen eğitilemez= absolutely cannot be educated
i used to call Turks eğitilemez now i understand why they cannot be educated.

Basmaci hareketine katilmis miydi ozbekler yoksa onlar da ruscucku muydu :D

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>>77955891
EBIN :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>77939710
probably whiter than salonikans, atleast turks have mostly greek and not bulgarian dna

>>77955993
Özbekler irl aslında iyi bir millet de bu otistik. Orta Asyalıların bizle bi alıp veremediği yok genel olarak. Hatta Türkmenler "kemik kardeşiyiz" der bize gerçi Orta Asya'daki Türko iş adamları Orta Asyalıların götünü harlamış biraz yahudilik yaparak bi de oraya K*RT yolladık :DDDDDDDDDD her bulduğumuz yere K*RT yolluyoruz sonra millet bizden nefret ediyor :DDD

>>77956062
hatta Kazakistan'daki k*Rtler kazaklar tarafından linç edilmişti milletin karısına kızına asılıyorlar diye :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>77956062
ilk fırsatta kurtulmak istiyoruz k*Rt piçlerinden :DDDD

>>77945866
>Armenians
>Arabs

What?

>>77956344
yav her elimizi attığımız yere k*Rt yollamak da reputationumuzu düşürüyor kıbrısa mesela k*Rt yolladık kıbrıslı türkler türkiye türklerine düşman kesildi :DDDDD

>>77956417
zaten tecenin reputationu -200'e falan düştü son 3 yılda :DDDDDDD

>>77956417
almancıların belirli bi kısmı k*rt ya bunları yıllarca hep türk diye bilmişler, böyle insana benzeyen bi türk görünce "aaa kürtler harbi aryanmış" diyen alman gördüm :DDD

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>>77955891
hahahahahahahahahaha

ha bu FARS piçlerini aranızdan kim yakıyor bilmiyorum ama Persian yerine Fersian ya da (F)ersian diyince götleri harlanıyor :DDDDDDD Bu Fars piçleri zamanında kendilerine Pers diyormuş sonra Araplar gelmiş tabii Arapçada P harfi olmadığı için Fers/Fars demiş Türkolara da bunlara Fars diyeceksiniz demişler öyle kalmış :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD (F)ersian diyince götleri harlanıyor :D

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>>77956799
ya insanlar zaten bi şey olsa da götümüz yansa diye aranıyorlar resmen. hiç anlamıyorum gavurları, buradakilerin iqsu falan mı düşük yoksa? yemlemek o kadar kolay ki.

>hurr durr beyaz
>hurr durr sokrates
>hurr durr oğlancılık

>>77956879
>ya insanlar zaten bi şey olsa da götümüz yansa diye aranıyorlar resmen. hiç anlamıyorum gavurları, buradakilerin iqsu falan mı düşük yoksa? yemlemek o kadar kolay ki.
buranın iq seviyesi düşük de göt yakmak inanılmaz kolay onu anlamıyorum :DDDD

>>77956879
senin HİÇBİR şey yapmana gerek yok
türk bayrağı göt yakmaya tek başına yetiyor :DDDD

>>77939710
No but atleast we would consider them human

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>>77956945
neyse ben içip sızmaya geri dönüyorum.

>yalnız ve sarhoş geçen bir gecenin daha ardından

>>77956985
ben polde tirad açacağım :DDDD

>>77957018
turmptan sonra /pol/ iyice berbat oldu

>>77957050
yok yav her zaman 0 iqlu b*Yaz piçleriyle kaynıyordu drumpf seçilmeden önce hillary için shilliyordum :DDDDDDd

>>77950323
Hittites were never present in central asia lmao

>>77957080
that was an ironic post.

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>>77957156
no it wasnt. you were clearly 100% serious. this is internet after all. nobody makes a joke or lies here. everybody is 100% serious.

>>77939710
Turks are white you wanker!

>>77957793

Turks have brown dicks and nipples.

No.