>there are people here unironically for a United States of Europe

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>there are people here unironically in favor of the Euro

the average normie here is europeist. normies are so fucking dumb

>>77860555
what is wrong with Euro?

>>77860515
I'm in favor of the world citizenship.
Still a pipeline that get shitted on left and right, I know. But it's the only way to achieve Star Trek automated luxury space gay communism.

>>77860620
Can't possibly see any problems with a common currency across 27 wildly different countries

>>77860515
Me, I'm a federalist debate me.

>>77860837
So one currency across 100 million people with different background and abilities to contribute to society is a good idea?

>>77860837
>27 wildly different countries
Lol, you are all the same. Same culture, same history. There are more differences between neighbouring villages in Russia, then there are between Portugal and Finland.

>>77860837
These aren't wildly different countries. all the Eurozone has common Christian and linguistic heritage, with shared geopolitical goals and interests.

>>77860515
No, I would nuke most of you if I had the chance.

>>77860928
How do you always manage to sound so arrogant?

>>77860928
>>77860963
>Retards believe this

>>77861012
How is it ignorant? European countries are very similar to each other, that's why there is such a thing as pan-european identity. I wasn't bragging, I was just stating a fact.

>>77861138
*arrogant

>>77860515
I only know one irl, and he's a literal faggot.

of course, I am an autistic shut-in who loses spaghetti around normies

I do. Hopefully the federalization process continues.

Do dumb euromemes understand that their ideology is nothing more than nationalism ?

>>77860515
Lots of stuff could be done better, but I like the concept of a European Union.

USA is big, Russia is big and aggresive, China will soon swallow entire world, we are bunch of small weak nations that have no say in current world, Merkel should stop talking about ahmeds and jamals so much and focus on making EU stronger.

Think of it like a 10x less cooler Roman Empire, every country should govern itself and on international stage we should be one entity

Southern Europeans carry Negroid genes, Eastern Europeans are Chinese peasants. Balkans are Turkish and Slavic rapebabies. All of them should be exterminated.

>>77861043
fantastic argument, idiot.

We'd need to nuke poland and hungary in order to achieve peace in the EU

>>77860963
>all the Eurozone has common Christian and linguistic heritage
Except they don't? That's like turning Iran and Saudi Arabia into one country because they have a "common Islamic and Linguistic heritage"

>>77860515
I think Europe should have far less than 50 countries. Plus Austria-Hungary had a long and Gloria history. This being said, United Europe is an awful Idea. It'd be smarter to just turn Europe into 13-20 sovereign nations and leave it at that.

>>77862159
What you said is retarded because Farsi and Arabic are part of different language groups.

>>77862027
Nearly as good as your "an entire, vast continent filled with different ethnicities and cultures who, until about 70 years ago, were constantly at war with each other for at least the past three millennia is all the same" meme.

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>prevents war in Europe
>free travel, study and work all over the continent
>high worker standards and consumer protection
>protects us aganist multinational corporations
Seriously, there are no rational reasons to dislike the EU

>>77860515
>implying there is anything bad with esperanto
Eternal anglo detected

>>77862201
Hungarian, Finnish and Estonian are part of different language groups. Will they be excluded?

the proper term is 'federation'

>>77862101
kys

>>77862101
Because those are the countries inviting million of economic migrants to invade Europe illegally?

>>77861138
> pan-european identity
theres 2 types of this
>1.
white nationalists
>2.
federal Europeans who hate nationalism and their own country but see nothing wrong in worshipping the EU

for the majority of people theres no real "pan european" identity

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>>77862227
>>prevents war in Europe
why do germ*ns always say this? Its not true. Theres no war in Europe because everyone thats powerful in Europe is in NATO

>>77862668

accurate post.

>>77862668
That's why you identify as europeans first and as your nationality second? Because there is no pan european identity?

>>77860515
I am
shouldn't happen right now, we're nowhere near ready but I believe we should work towards a federalized europe

>>77862722
>Identify as European first
Literally no one here does that (except for SJWs). In fact, usually if a Brit is called "European" it's actually taken as an insult. We see ourselves as VERY different to our continental friends, as ridiculous as that may sound.

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>"I'm European"

>>77862722
I don't know anyone who identifies as European first

subuhmans

I am European

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>>77862834

>>77862723
Hear me out. What if instead of united Europe we had
1. United Benelux
2. United Iberia
3. France
4. Switerland
5. Italy
6. Germany
7. United Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, chezia, Slovenia and Croatia
8. A united Balkan state
9. United former USSR (minus Baltics)
10. Poland
11. United Nordic countries
12. United Baltic Countries
13. United GB and Ireland
And the 6 micro-states plus that little bit of turkey which is in Europe? So instead of of a United Europe filled with people who really don't match, you have 20 sovereign nations in the Westphalian sense which have alot more in common?

i feel european first and finnish second

>>77862870
This post is so American, it shits burgers

>>77860515
>Implying Esperanto is worse than any *uropean language

>>77862870
>chezia
kék

>>77862949
How about something constructive to say instead of "insult without argument" It's not even the borders, it's the point that Europe doesn't need choose between 50 weak meme states or one federation. You can have viable alternatives.

>>77862870
this is a wonderful idea, thanks ameribro
please let us know if you want to redraw any of our borders in the future

>>77863037
We already did twice. Wouldn't be surprised if we did it a 3rd time within out life time.

>>77863006
It wasn't an insult, just an observation. O lt an American could think that united Balkans, united former USSR or some unholy alliance of Austria, Croatia and whatever else are viable or consist of similar countries.

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>>77860837
>google why the euro is bad
>article by some bong
>9 of the 10 arguments are about muh control muh democracy muh slippery slope mu dunkirk

>>77863255
I'm sure having made this corker of a post you'll find it easy to link to one (1) article in a reputable paper using Dunkirk to criticise the common currency

>>77863255
thanks for this quality post

>>77863255
EU is good, I even bought an Estonian e-residency for accessibility to EU countries.

>>77863447
the e-residency just gives you documents to do business in Estonia without being here in person

>>77864220
I already know it, I just bought it for offshore company

>>77862159
>Austria-Hungary

Awful idea kept together through allies gained by marriage.

>>77862227
>meme
>ok
>reduced competetivness
>an occassional lawsuit against the most succesful

The first rational thing one must do is stop believing EU propaganda

>>77862513
>>77862958
Meme language

>>77862844
>>77862895
You're gay

>>77862870
Awful. If anything, Europe needs more countries since the smaller the country, the better can its government suit its needs.

>>77863255
Euro is shit because it is good for exactly one country, Germany. Since there are a lot of poorer countries in the EU, Euro is udnervalued for Germany and they can export more. While it is overvalued for most others.

Funny how people seem to think Britain was the only country that rejected the euro

I'd rather want to see France as a States of the United States of America rather than EU, because Americans are our bros.

>>77864650
Just the most famous

>>77860928
insurance frauds and divorces don't count as culture, boris

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>>77860622
>I'm in favor of the world citizenship.

>>77860963
welfare program with north paying, south receiving

Don't necessarily see the bad in it. My ancestors tried it in 884, in 1702, in 1812, in 1932, etc... Don't see why I shouldn't try my hand at a United Europe too...

>>77864676
freedom fries lmao

>>77864834
It's a proof that they like us because they were extremely offended that we didn't join them in Iraq.

Let's not talk about Canada, Quebec, we love them so much, they are so related to us.

While the countries of the EU... Either we don't know anything about them like Finland, or we had countless of wars against them like Germany.

>>77864958
>It's a proof that they like us because they were extremely offended that we didn't join them in Iraq.

ohmy that sounds like a battered wife syndrome. 'he hits me because he loves me'

>>77864958
>countless of wars against them like Germany

You can't count to 3?

>>77864676
>... dit-il post-2003.
Americans want us as vassals, not allies. At least in the EU, everyone is assumed to be on equal footing.

>>77862708
>2017
>believing NATO will survive a decade

>>77865029
He's probably encompassing Austria into the nomenclature of "Germany". Austria is probably the country against which we've had the most wars. And the HRE, especially Otto's and Charles Quint's.

Also, enmity between France and Germany has been the spark to so many things in Europe that it shouldn't be dismissed because "hurr you only had three wars".

Why the fuck do you euros hate each other so much?

>>77864776
No different than your own country then

>>77865145
History. You wouldn't understand.

>>77865256
Try me if you're that good at it, Ottokar.

>>77865145
because europeans are retarded, thats why that continent is gone in 2 generations

>>77865287
But you don't have any.

I am a European

>>77860515
>wanting to be of the same country as filthy swedes

>>77865145
Same reasons Japan, china and Korea hate each other. Or Iran and Saudi Arabia hate each other.

>>77865336
>first European plantation colony in the Americas
>Bandeirantes
>Minas gold rush
>Separatist movements (inconfidência mineira, Bahian and Pernambucan revolts)
>arrival of the Portuguese Royal Family
>United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves
>Independence and Empire of Brazil
>first republic (café com leite)
>Estado Novo
>Republic
>Military Dicatorship
>republic up to now
I thought you guys were supposed to be smart

>>77865619
You call that history? That's Slovakia tier.

>>77865800
And you call 400 years of Austrian bootlicking and another 50 of doing so to the Russians history?

>>77865897
I call resisting 5 crusades, inventing a new religion and kicking off the 30 years war history.

Meanwhile you haven't got a single war worth talking about.

I litteraly hate everything outside of scandinavia and the uk with a passion nd if i could i would prwss a bitton to ethnically clense all of mainland europe. Id rather merge with canada than to share a flag with a frenchman or polish person.

>>77865459
Your clay is rightfull swedish clay. Fuck off from our island you german. You lot arent even nordic.

>>77866130
holy cringe, calm your virginity

>>77866130
>what was the War of the Triple Alliance
>what was the Cisplatine War
>impling we didn't invent a new religion

>>77866290
>monkeys flinging shit at one another
>war

>>77866245
You're just mad because you are an example of a country with no history

>>77866177
Best post I've ever seen on this board

>>77866483
Add WWII then, we certainly did far more than you on that one.

>>77864617
>Europe needs more countries since the smaller the country, the better can its government suit its needs.
100% with you there. Despise the EU because they impose sweeping regulations across hugely different communities with different needs and different priorities. Centralisation of power is generally only good for the rulers and the capital city/admin centre, and possibly in the prevention of war between small states.

A lot of people here in the north of England were already sick of being ruled from London, no way am I having Claude and Hans tell me how to run things in my hometown.

>>77860515
>there are people here unironically for a United States of Europe
Only if we lock up the outer EU boarders and throw away the key.Right now all is good since the filth is moving towards France and Germany while skipping us.

>>77866684
No, sweetie, you didn't. Mainly because you were literally half a world away from any theatre worth mentioning.

>>77860837
Currencies are merely numbers on a computer screen, mate.

>>77866761
>the Italian Campaign isn't worth mention
Oh, I'm sorry.

>>77866483
im hungarian and no im not mad, i just find wewuzzers extremely cringe no matter where they come from, you wasnt even alive when those things happened, how detached from reality you are to claim it as your achievement? perhaps you have nothing else going in your life you need to grasp at events that happened 1000 years ago that have no connection to you?

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>tfw the world was a much better place before I realized how literally evil the EU is

one day we will achieve this goal and their is not a damn thing you can do about it.
one fucking day whole Europe will be ruled by germanic/franconic people.

no other way to compete with 2 billion Indians, 3 billion Asians, 2 billion Niggers and 1 billion mongrels on the American continent.

>>77866875
I am sorry but i will have to join in on the side of the CR.
Both Americas were spared the true horrors of the world wars.
I expected world war delusions from USA autismos but not from Brazilians.

>>77860515
Doesn't matter what people think or believe. The eu will collapse no matter what.

>>77866875
Compared to the Western and Eastern Front, yeah.

The European Union must disappear to give way to a merely military union to say goodbye to NATO and defend the European borders of the African and Middle East invaders.

I think we should ditch the EU and just develop the Benelux further.

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>>77866923
>I'm too mature to roleplay as my country

back to Rebbit

>>77867289

This. We need more natural unions based on ethnic and cultural ties like Benelux, Scandinavism, Iberism, Slavism and Germany-Austria union.

>>77862656
Poland had over a million Ukrainian migrant workers.

>>77860620
Different countries have different economical needs based on the makeup of their economy. The only countries I could consider a currency union with are Denmark and Finland.

>>77867428
>Iberism
cheeky manolo, so it's all about this, huh?

I actually agree with you.

>>77865254
at least i can understand why finns should help finns, but now I need to pick up the greeks' tab? fuck that

>>77867433
But they didn't invite them.

>>77864719
I'm only in favor of world citizenship if were are under the theocratic rule of the Knights of Malta.

>>77860515
i thought they already were. EU right?

>>77868400
The Euro is one of the strongest currencies in the world, worth 6 times as much as the suomen markka

>>77868572
You are missing an S there.
USE=/=EU

>>77860873
As long as there is one local government to keep those different people together, then it is certainly better than 27 culturally different countries with different economic interests

>>77860928
>checks flag
Of course, it makes sense now.

>>77868628
same thing, right?

>>77867428
>form Iberian union
>average IQ, literacy rate and average height suddenly drop several points
Fuck that anon, we'd have to siphon a fortune in gibs to the barbosas just to bring them up to standards and they'd be spitting in our faces the entire time

>>77868616
Currencies that are too strong aren't good, fuckwit. If your currency is overvalued, it makes your exports uncompetitive, and something like 50% of Germany's GDP is based on exports.

Spergs like you were proclaiming the death of the USD when it became worth less than the CND back in the late 2000s, but that actually helped the US spring out of recession relatively quickly.

>>77868681
Why do you have to be lazy and leech off others at the expense of your sovereignty? Instead of complaining about how the euromonies would dry up you can use your energy to make Iberia a better place.

>>77862722
You have to be a fucking idiot to put Europe before your country.
As i always say; I am danish, not european.

>>77868870
I'm not talking about euromonies. For the record I'm anti-EU.

>>77868638
>better

For whom?

>>77868869
Yes, I'm aware of how money works and my job was seriously damaged a few years ago when the CAD was equal to and greater than the USD.
The point is that despite Greek debnts, Finns have a lot more global purchasing power than they would with the marrka

>>77868681
not to mention you'd have no jobs to give

>>77860515
>Europe should stay as a bunch of tiny meme nations that definitely won't be easily bullied in the future by chinese and american megacorps and special interests

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>>77869069
In the glorious post-EU future we'd have a cheap currency and our exports would be competitive again. It will be just like old times. And if we wanted to boost jobs real quick infrastructure programs always work, just build a few hydroelectric dams.

>>77869033
But they wouldn't have to bail out Greece and whoever else is next in the too big to fail game. If you accept Euro, you give up the ability to inflate your currency when shit hits the fan. Especially if it hits the fan only in your country.

>>77869194
How's that Gran Colombia thing working our for you, Walter?

>>77869194
>megacorps
>nations

American megacorps hold no allegiance to America (part of the reason why Trump was elected). Besides, politicians from tiny meme nations are far more accountable than international policticians whose allegiance is to the Brussel bureaucracy.

>>77869278
It broke up a long time ago. Worst day of my life.

>>77869438
>American megacorps hold no allegiance to America
And? Does that make you feel safe?

>Besides, politicians from tiny meme nations are far more accountable than international policticians whose allegiance is to the Brussel bureaucracy.
The short-sightedness of this post is too much.

>>77868681

Iberism does not necessarily mean a total union in one single country. I'm talking about an economic union and free movement between Portugal and Spain. Just like the UE but only in the Iberian peninsula.

>>77869601
>short sightedness

What is short sighted is uniting 27 nations who have fought with each other for literally 1000 years in the span of a hundred years, not even that. Politicians in favour of the EU are all by far centralists. Even if they were to protect us against those megacorps, they'll do so at the cost of having more power over our lives themselves. Atleast with megacorps, you can choose to not buy their product.

>>77860515
>United States of Europe
You wish, at least in the states we can do things like veto refugees

>>77865145
Same reasons why Brazilians and Argentinians and Chileans hate each other

>>77860515
please let us in

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>>77862870
>A united Balkan state
have fun with that shit, nigger.

I am Euro.