Post ur cunts (ch)air force.

>>77841546
I guess monkeys can't into jet propulsion.

>>77841573
2 of those are jets. People like you are why everyone here hates Canada on here. If you have nothing to contribute just shut up.

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>>77841573

Super Tucanos don't need turboprops since it's a COIN aircraft, and a very good one.

btw sorry for buying the Texan II instead of that one brazilboo

>>77841717
He's right to some degree tho. There are two jets there, one looks like a Skyhawk, and I'm not so sure about the other, so both imports. The Super Tucano is a turbo prop, so while it works on the same principle as jets, it's watered down since you need special alloys to have a reliable jet, hence why even tho jets have been developed like 80 years ago, only a handful of manufacturers worldwide are trusted to build jet engines.

>>77841830
Turbojet engines*

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>>77841573

>what are turboprops

>>77841830

Tks :3

I read that the your govt hadn't paid the plane yet.

Doesn't Brazil literally produce shit tons of modern aircraft parts? You should have a more modern airforce. No excuse.

>>77841912

>why a poor country doesn't invest in their Airforce

Gee...

Even though Embraer actually participated on a fighther jet project, but instead of using the experience for that, they used it on their comercial aircrafts.

>>77841909

Argentina has deposited US$204 mio. today to pay the CN-295... So probably there's no more money this month.

https://www.boletinoficial.gob.ar/#!DetalleNorma/168327/20170801

>>77842102
Scrape up the funds. Hopefully your government will buy the new Chinese jets.

>>77841912

Wrote up another answer until I scrapped it since I'm not qualified to comment, however what you're saying is more complex than you believe.

>>77842186

I am extremely doubtful that the US will allow Chinese aircraft to be brought in numbers to south America. Brazil is getting Gripen which is the best suited to their needs/requirements.

>>77842186

No. Gripens.

>>77842160

I see. Always wondered why not going for Chinese or Israeli jets, they're cheap.

>>77842186
>buy chinese shite

>>77842254

I'd masturbate to this image if I hadn't of already done one earlier.

>>77842289

They're dirty cheap for a reason.

Gripen is your best option for price/capability/complexity.

>>77842269
Well I'm no expert but I think Brazil has a large enough economy and has enough human capital and industry to produce more modern equipment if they wanted to. It may take time to procure the technology but I think there would be foreign governments happy to assist like china. Also I doubt america could do very much if Brazil wanted to import chink jets and Chinese military hardware more generally. This isn't the 60s when we can just assassinate any president we feel like. US power and hegemony has decreased too much.

>>77842254
this is a blue board, lad

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>>77842254

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That's the whole air force

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>>77842376

The Gripens were bought because of full tech transfer and they'd be assembled here using some parts from other BR def. contractors.

SAAB and Embraer even opened a development center for future coop projects.

>>77842455

Why would we want to make a fighter jet from scratch? It would take decades and billions before even IOC.

Better just buy one and take the tech.

>>77842625
You wouldn't necessarily have to start from scratch you could do a joint program with China or even India.

>>77842724

>China or India

BRICS is a meme my friend.

>>77842786
The United States doesn't like you you know. Its why you weren't included in any of out important multilateral trade agreements. I guess buying European is fine but America will never be your friend.

>>77842455

That's in your opinion. You buy Chinese only if you have zero capability to produce and support - you are quite literally scraping the bottom of the military export barrel.

I am certainly not asserting that the US would assassinate a president on a whim, that does not mean it could not apply serious sanctions or embargoes on Brazil.

There are many US defence companies that work and support with Brazilian industry and military (same for many western aligned nations - like my own). Were Brazil to act against the wishes of the US - from the snap of a finger these companies would withdraw immediately. This would be devastating to any nation since no-one nation produces everything or to a standard that marks it as de facto (things like GPS, safety devices, etc) requirement for international sales.

>>77842724

Again, why China? They've already got a western partner to help develop their industry base.

>>77842868

True, we didn't sucked US balls enough for F-35.

Also all branches and industry were trying as much as independence as possible in terms of foreign supply, hence why the thing with SAAB. >>77842625

>>77842869
I was really just throwing out china as a non western example of a supplier and potential partner but there are other option and europe is fine I suppose but I believe it's important for major non aligned countries to be independent of the west especially militarily because they will hit a ceiling. America will not support brazils (or mexicos for that matter) development beyond a certain point because of their large population and potential rival capability in the region and on the world stage.
>>77842945
Good to hear. Though it makes no difference how hard you sucked our balls we'd have never let you into the f35 program especially considering all the other nations that weren't in that are much closer to the US.

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>>77841830
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>77843037
>I was really just throwing out china as a non western example of a supplier and potential partner but there are other option and europe is fine I suppose but I believe it's important for major non aligned countries to be independent of the west especially militarily because they will hit a ceiling.

They can't. They need to be aligned-but-not-aligned, that's part of being a developing country. Besides, no one country truly is independent in the global market.

>America will not support brazils (or mexicos for that matter) development beyond a certain point because of their large population and potential rival capability in the region and on the world stage.

Nonesense remark.

>>77843200
Not nonsense at all if you know the history of the region and America's relationship with it's southern neighbors. No reason they need to align with the west particularly america which likes them as a bitch state to extract commodities from. In fact them sideing with non western countries would probably be even more advantageous die to their partners likelyhood of cutting better deals to expand influence. Particularly china. But it's probably best in the long run to play both sides.

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sorry burgers

>>77843409

Nigga, China has bases in South America and your govt hadn't done shit.

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>>77841546

>>77843477
ra ta ta ta

realistically what does ireland even need an airforce for

>>77843505
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Airforce for ants.

>>77843497
Source? As far as I know the only foreign Chinese base is in djibouti.

>>77841862
One is the Brazilian variant of a Northrop F-5

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>>77843596
He's using the word "bases" extremely loosely

>>77843594
doubt.jpg

>>77843596

http://thediplomat.com/2016/05/china-builds-space-monitoring-base-in-the-americas/

It's non military. But the point stands, many cunts it's SA are slowly turning to China.

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No replacements in any foreseeable future

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>post something that is not F35
>USA and 30 countries that bought f35 be like:"hahah rusty bucket haha" despite that f35 kills it's pilots

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>>77843684
there's only one plane russia will ever need to win a war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7NSUFDHFgg

>>77843684
The PAK FA is NEVER going to be finished

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>>77843776
Even if they do they will only buy like 30 of them lmao

we haven't any forces since 1945's.....

>>77843462

They flew together today and pretty close according to flightradar.

Blogs says that they're doing refueling tests or just shooting for marketing.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pt-znf/#e509826

>>77843849
That's bullshit. I drove through Okinawa and saw a bunch of planes, saw they were American, and noticed the Japanese flag on them.

At the start of 2015 Obama authorized Japan to start building its own armed forces.

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>>77843849
What?

>>77843794
Why would we waste so much time on new engines, photon and AESA radars, new missiles to buy only 30 of them?

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>>77843849
Your "civilian" force looks a little overkill for search and rescue tho

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Swedish Air Force

Once was the worlds fourth largest air force (Back in the 60´s when we had more than 1000 aircraft, all of them jet-powered)

The combination Stril 60 (IADS/Datalink system) combined with the Draken-fighter was also considered the worlds most modern fighter/interceptor system.

Today we have about 100 of these.

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>>77843944
Because you need to have a 5th generation fighter because the US has one, and China is making one so Russia needs one too

>>77844023
He means they're gonna build more than thirty.

>>77843409
>Not nonsense at all if you know the history of the region and America's relationship with it's southern neighbors. No reason they need to align with the west particularly america which likes them as a bitch state to extract commodities from.

No, it is nonsense. You are arguing that the US will withdraw support of growing nations because they simply have become capable within their own right. This makes no sense. What you are arguing would causes the very problems that you are using to support your own argument. Simply put:

>US pushes SA away
>SA becomes unhappy with rejection
>SA needs someone else to align with
>you suggest they pick partners that would push them even further away from the US causing worsting relationships

>In fact them sideing with non western countries would probably be even more advantageous die to their partners likelyhood of cutting better deals to expand influence.
Dubious claim.

Aligning and gaining the type of relationship you are suggesting would cause significant harm and could lead to a hostile relationship with the US/West if they were to join up with a direct competitor/adversary.

>>77844023
Or they can fall back on their nuclear deterrent and make NATO look ridiculously silly for spending all that money on expensive jets that have no real adversary

>>77844023
is that slow mo, or can it really keep lift going that slow?

>>77844087
I know it he means. But I'm telling him there isn't going to be many PAK-FA's unless the Russian economy turns around, they're building it because they have to.

>>77844129
It's going at least 150 knots, it's just that the camera is very far away and the perspective makes it appear that it's going slow.

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>>77841546

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UntN_cZUQg8

>>77841912
We assemble them here, the parts are manufactured in USA, UK, Japan and Germany.

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>not flying 70's planes with state-of-the art electronics

Y'all even crafty 'n shiet?

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>>77844179
What a mad lad

>>77844023
we can cut pensions
vets are old they don't need them anymore

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>>77841546
What do BRs think of the Blackbird?

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>>77843888
>>77843918
>>77843986
they aren't military forces. because we banned have any military forces by Article 9.

>>77844088
Maybe the US will trade better tech with them but I'll believe it when I see it. Even then it would only come from playing both sides. There's a reason the major regional powers for the most part aren't included in multilateral ftas with america and it's basically because the US has a containment policy though we don't call it that anymore. China and India could sell military hardware to Brazil and I doubt the US would do very much about it. Washington just doesn't have the leverage it once did thankfully. It would be another matter if china constructed based in mexico but that would be far more provocative.

>>77844313

U-2 is nicer.

>>77844189
We have the capacity, but defense don't gives votes here.

Our politicians don't give a shit to defense or national sovereignty.

>>77844325
The Japanese have nuclear assets one step away from behind assembled warheads. In the event of a war they would be assembled.

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>>77844325
Yes, not military at all

>>77844325
Face it, they are military, and everyone else will treat them as such no matter what you decice to call them.

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>>77844325
?

That's literally not true

Do these look like non military aircraft to you?

>>77844343

We barely buy stuff from China and India. Jesus we ain't allied with them.

Every hardware we ever bought were either from western countries or built here. Not to mention we get a lot of FMS from US as well.

>>77844408
merely a search and rescue plane, pay no attention to it

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>>77844361

>>77844445
you don't get to ask questions using russian duck

>>77844424
You should though. At the very least you could diversify to get better deals.

>>77844468
Please inform me because I find nothing of the sort via google

>>77844515
see
>>>/k/34724213

>>77844343
>Maybe the US will trade better tech with them but I'll believe it when I see it.

It trades tech with them now. Not even stuff for military application, but aerospace.

>Even then it would only come from playing both sides.

Not sure what you mean by this.

>China and India could sell military hardware to Brazil and I doubt the US would do very much about it. Washington just doesn't have the leverage it once did thankfully. It would be another matter if china constructed based in mexico but that would be far more provocative.

You're underestimating of how integrated the globe market is. Again, for example look at how many US defence companies are involved in SA. Google any household name. BAE, LM, GE etc all with contracts - all of which can be cancelled by political press from the US.

>>77844361

Japan is one of the few nations who can field deployable deterrent within two years.

>>77844355
No one would buy Brazilian aircraft if it didn't use American engine, British components, German safety systems and Japanese avionics etc.

>>77843305
what is the plume on top of the aircraft when it turns

>>77844726
a vacuum

>>77844506

Like i said earlier. Our military and industry are trying to become as independent as possible by making their own stuff. Wether be via tech transfer, from scratch or just be able to build here for "know-how" and when we do it, we do it with western partners, because they're obviously better.

To give you an example, Embraer sold some R-99 to India years ago and they tried to put their own radar on it, but because of their incompetence they didn't managed to and then proceeded to accuse Embraer of bribing them.

Now, why would we want India, a cunt who crashes a jet per month over a western and competent partner, like Sweden?

Not even gonna mention China who uses copies of soviet-era hardware.

>>77844726
The air condensing as the pressure and temperature around the aircraft decrease, it's basically a small cloud

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>>77844817
>>77844817
Here is a webm of it

>>77844583
Sure we trade tech with them but within reason. India or Brazil won't be getting gets because they are potential rivals.
They can play both sides by trading military tech with multiple opposing powers to get better deals. Same with trade agreements more broadly because brazils align is important to the US and will become more so for china especially as time goes on and chinas desire for a foothold in SA increases. Even if the US acted rashly and instructed it's firms to halt the contracts Brazil could simply look elsewhere this playing both sides and america likely knows this. There isn't a whole lot Washington could do.

>>77844506
Logistics man.
Last time the AF tried chink engines for the Su-30 they lasted half the Russian ones since you couldn't simply copy the alloy processing.

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>>77844361
certainly we have many plutonium.
but we will not divert it to weapons. we need kettle.

>>77844362
t--thank you

>>77844365
>>77844408
they are not legitimate forces under Japanese law.
sure it looks like a forces but we do not have it desu.

>>77844633
Ok, exports are good for finances, but its a secondary concern. The most important is be independent.

Remember Argentina in Malvinas/Falklands war and their Exocets.


Also, NPT is a joke and we need to have a nuclear deterrent capacity.

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WHY EVERYONES SAY RUSSIAN SUCKS ;_; RUSSIAN NEED MAINTENANCE TOO
SHITHOLES LIKE INDIA BUY OUR PLANES
PAINT THEM POO
THEN COMPLAIN " WHY IT BREAKS DOWN "
FUCK YOU

>>77844633

Embraer makes their own parts too like landing gears, Fly-By-Wire, etc. Never saw any client complaining.

Only saw BRs saying shit like this. Here or anywhere else.

Not saying that they are the best or anything like that, but give the guys some credit.

>>77844785
Good to hear your industry is becoming more independent. As far as India is concerned they are shit tier now but give it time. They'll develope better technology no doubt and become a better potential alternative partner. As for china they're military hardware is improving rapidly and their current gen jets look pretty impressive. Going into the 20s and especially 30s they'll be a very good partner to have on call for military hardware especially as they will try to expand their influence in SA.

>>77844946
The thing is, nobody except for you care about japanese law.

All your neighbours will still treat them as any other military, no matter what label you put on them.

>>77845029
Because they actually suck. The engines needed to run a MiG-29 for 30 years is six complete swaps. (2x3)

A F-16 for example only need one engine for 30 years (with some overhaul sometimes)

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This photographer takes much better pics then my potato, ours are ones starting with T the rest are visitors.
http://fotografersha.livejournal.com/885461.html
Pic is Su-30 using paveway 2

>>77845140
>less life span means that engines are shit
(you)

Navy released this today. Kinda related i guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBF3SdVWdFA

>>77844916
>Sure we trade tech with them but within reason. India or Brazil won't be getting gets because they are potential rivals.

What do you mean by that?

>They can play both sides by trading military tech with multiple opposing powers to get better deals.

Doesn't work like that. You can indeed mix and match to some and I say *some* degree, however this is how you fuck your logistics by having equipment design and build to different standards.

This goes especially for complex equipment like fighter jets or warships.

>Even if the US acted rashly and instructed it's firms to halt the contracts Brazil could simply look elsewhere this playing both sides and america likely knows this.

No, because when equipment gets export it comes with agreements with regards to technology transfer. Meaning Brazil cannot go and give China access to it's new OPVs radar systems as that would violate agreements with the Danish.

There's also IP breach and trying to maintain equipment that the new partner's company's have no idea how to maintain it since it isn't there's.

>There isn't a whole lot Washington could do.

There's a whole lot that Washington could do and more if it asked countries to have their companeis pull support.

>>77845007
Brazil will never be independent on anything.

Brazil = USA's cuckyboy

>>77845268
>Reliability isnt importand

Okay whatever you say Vladislav

>>77845054

I'm beginning to think you're an actual Chinese shill given how often you are repeating that China will be perfect as a partner despite what I've been saying to you.

>>77845293
>there's
*Theirs

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>>77845477
big head

>>77845596

For you.

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>>77845669

>>77845293
I mean that there comes a point when there is a limit to what the West will supply a potential rival. I can't speak for Sweden but as far as the US is concerned we will seek to contain them, same with India. If Brazil relied solely on the US they will hit a "ceiling" technologically so to speak.
>however this is how you fuck up logistics by having different equipment design and build to different standards
Maybe do with military hardware but they could certainly diversify to the extent possible. On trade and general diplomacy playing both sides worls well to get better deals as both sides vie for influence.
The agreements aren't very important if we're talking long term and I imagine most of them expire anyways. No need to get mores down in details when broad geopolitical trends will be far more important that an IP dispute.
There are somethings Washington can do but it can't overthrow the government like it once could. Fortunately Americas leverage over the region has declined considerably and it will only decline further in the future. Acting rash and pulling out their companies may sting in the short run but I have no doubt Brazil could bounce back quickly and then America would have a power even more opposed to it.

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>>77845768
> I can't speak for Sweden but as far as the US is concerned we will seek to contain them

I can, and generally the same applies for us, we do not export our most advanced technology to anyone, but the doctrine of Sweden and Brazil is so different that this mostly doesnt matter, as the things that we have an edge on, isnt anything they really need or want anyway.

>>77845862

Reminds me of a muppet.

>>77845768

There's only one thing new you've said so I'm going to ignore the rest since you just keep circling around.

>The agreements aren't very important if we're talking long term and I imagine most of them expire anyways. No need to get mores down in details when broad geopolitical trends will be far more important that an IP dispute.

Yes they are. They are legal binding and exist as a statement and exercise in trust. You are saying that Brazil should ignore its commits to other countries.

We're not just talking about current contracts, but future ones.

Again, yes there is. Companies will withhold their technology, skill and expertises if they believe that Brazil will not respect technology or IP agreements.

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>>77845539
Thread needs more helicopters.

>>77846013
We're going in circles but that isn't my fault. Point you bring up later in the argument brought us back to other points. Overall though US parent and ip protections aren't the end all be all thankfully as china and probably India don't really give a shit. That's why these countries represent and alternative order. Copyright law is basically a tool in the geopolitical arsenal and the emerging multipolar world won't see as much of a reason to respect it thank christ.

>>77846000
Gripens use GE engines so any country buying needs Washington approval. The US does use this leverage in its favor, they have blocked military sales from Israel to us in the past just so we'd buy American instead.

About the only Western suplier that's mostly free from American suply chains is France but they also tend to be heavy handed in leveraging that advantage.

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>>77846084

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>>77846132
Yes, they did the same back in the 80's wich prevented us from selling the Viggen to India.

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Buy pls,

C-130 a shit.

>>77846116
>We're going in circles but that isn't my fault.

Every post you've pretty much said the exact same thing over and over again.

>Overall though US parent and ip protections aren't the end all be all thankfully as china and probably India don't really give a shit.

?????? What does this even mean???

The US is not the only party here who is affected if Brazil suddenly decided that it is not going to respect international law and most of all impact the profits of the murderous defence companies.

All complex equipment have multinational companies involved - like warships, fighter jets and missiles. All of which have certain requirements to meet in order to be sold for export which the country must agree to.

BAE built the Amazonas-class corvette for Brazil, but it uses a Danish radar, Finnish propellers, American guns etc.

>That's why these countries represent and alternative order. Copyright law is basically a tool in the geopolitical arsenal and the emerging multipolar world won't see as much of a reason to respect it thank christ.

Right, okay that's your opinion.

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>>77846355
You just had them over to Sweden actually, to try and sell them to us (we are replacing older Hercs, like the on on the pic).

But right now it looks like we will replace them with 6 - 12 new C-130J-30

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>>77846477

I know, from there to Le Bourget and then it did a 40 day travel through several cunts like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Thailand and New Zealand.

>>77846424
Sure because when you say something that can be answered by what I've already said I'll say it again. It's like when you fail to pass a class in school you have to take it over again.
The US patent and ip protections are a tool of American geopolitical power that only the west respects but china and the alternative world order that is being built piece by piece don't give a shit and are in fact building a parallel patent regime of their own.
>that's your opinion
It would be yours too if you understood basic modern geopolitics.

Anyways we really could go on all night but desu I have shit to do. Later.

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>>77841546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFMsDI9hN7I

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I can post my cunt's ground force

>>77846744

Are you that 0352 dude?

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>>77846735

>>77846586

Funny how they look and dress all the same.

Not to mention the planes liveries.

>>77846790

Didn't a Tiger crashed in Mali this week?

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>>77846785
Hell yeah brother
I have a couple hours of down time finally here in the desert

fucking hate this place man

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>>77846894
Damn, were are you?

My vaccation is soon over, so its back to beeing literally the most northern soldier in Sweden.

>>77846735

Na? Den Germanwing-Absturz schon vergessen? xdxdxd

http://m.sn-online.de/Schaumburg/Bueckeburg/Bueckeburg-Stadt/Entsetzen-und-Trauer-in-Bueckeburg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M2Pw3VGKDw

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>>77847071
29 Palms
the Mojave desert
Fallout New Vegas

It's really gay here, man
It hit about 40 Celsius the other day but there's a bunch of clouds now which is godly

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>>77847188
Man thats gotta suck balls.

We regularly have minus 40 Celcius tho, so that isnt to nice. Its currently around 5 C and heavy rain (thats what summer looks like here)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNAkJvEKOwQ

w/ gay music.

>>77847335
It does lmao
Full dismounted gun runs in full kit in the middle of the day gets old real fast

The platoon banter is real nice here though, I'm diggin that

>>77847561
Something cool about everything I guess.

Yeah, running around in gear in that heat has got to be a total bitch.

>>77846842
it happens, they crash here too when they are hitting a cable while training

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33cBGY9epTs

>>77847907

But what really happened?

Mechanical failure or takedown?

>>77847350
The fuck is that red thing he holds at the beginning? If you tell me the keys I'll kick your ass Joao

>>77848202

Seems some kind of lock. a.k.a Keys :^)

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>>77848248
Told ya

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>>77848279

>>77848078
>The crash was reported by a second Tiger following in the mission.
>Deputy Inspector General of the German Armed Forces Vice Admiral Joachim Ruehle said there was no indication the helicopter had been downed by an attack.
>The German military grounded the Tiger fleet for routine flights, and said it would decide on urgent missions on a case-by-case basis. Military officials said such a grounding was standard procedure in the event of aircraft accidents
I guess the pilot fucked up

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The airforce specifically bought the navy versions of the Hornet so they could land on highways if the need arose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-meF34GGP2w

All of the jets are modernized and they also got JASSMs nowadays, granting them some serious capability.

Thanks USA.

>>77848378
What's the point of this?
I guess these days it's not so easy anymore to find right fuel closeby or repair the jet by hand, like you would've done in WW2.

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>>77848378
>he needs a hook to land at roadbases

Pathetic

*lands/takes off from 600 meters*

Also, arent you going to replace your Hornets in like 5 years?

>>77848491
Digging down a 100 cubic tank next to your roadbase isnt really that hard either.

Most fighters run on Jet A1 tho, wich is just common aiviation fuel.

And if you can repair it on a carrier you can do it in a field hangar too.

>>77848491

Air force bases aren't your safest bet in Finland's situation as we don't except to achieve total air superiority. I believe it's basically about not putting your eggs in the same basket.

>>77848494

Yes, and the Gripen is one of the "contenders". It is going to be the biggest arms deal in Finnish history, amounting to over 10b euro. There's also politics involved, so probably they'll go with the F35.

>>77848619
The F-35 doesnt really make sense from a military point of view tho, but as you said, politics is usually a big deal in these kinda affairs.

>>77848619

Almost everyone in Europe went to F-35.

>>77848699
Thats what happens when you are the US

But no, most countries in Europe use other things than the F-35

>>77848764

I know. Even Belgium went to it. SAAB was in the contenders but they dropped. Some say it was because they already knew they'd go for F-35 due to politics.

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>>77848663
>>77848699

I've heard an interesting proposition regarding the new jets:

>a dozen or so F-35s to effectively deliver JASSMs to enemy highvalue targets
>Super Hornets for interception and air battles
>Few of the Super Hornets could be modified to the E-18 Growler, which can disable enemy communications in a wide area

>>77848812

SAAB dropped it because Belgium is a NATO country.

>>77848865

Good deal indeed.

>SAAB dropped it because Belgium is a NATO country.

...and politics.

>>77848812
Saab dropped as one criteria was to be able to supply tankers for in flight refueling, togheter with the fighters. Sweden cant do that.

>>77848865
The JASSMs should have proper range to do that with out the need of F-35s desu.

And Super Hornets are literally the worst of your options for air-to-air combat.

Id say go for something good at air to air, as all fighters can launch cruise missiles with more or less the same ability, and you have limited funds, so a mixed fleet would further drain costs and logistics.

>>77849104

Requiring stealth to effectively penetrate anti-access/area-denial zones sounds logical to me.

>>77841546
no such thing

>>77850216

Nothing?

>>77850516
uhh
the coast guard has some helicopters

>>77847188
Ever take a nice refreshing dip in Lake Bandini? :)

>>77844726
fat from the onboard fryer

>>77846735
Erinnerung, dass der deutsche Tiger nur ein MG hat, da irgendjemand meinte eine Maschinenkanone wär übertrieben. Alle anderen länder haben den Tiger mit MK bestellt.

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*drops supplies on you*

>>77841546
>2017
>air force
useless shit. russia has a lot of tanks and nuclear submarines instead

>>77845029
>SHITHOLES LIKE INDIA BUY OUR PLANES
PAINT THEM POO
THEN COMPLAIN " WHY IT BREAKS DOWN "

lol'd

>>77848202
>>77848248
>>77848279
lmao I love southamerica

>>77846691
>Sure because when you say something that can be answered by what I've already said I'll say it again. It's like when you fail to pass a class in school you have to take it over again.

No, not at all. If you're having an argument or a discussion with someone and they've stated that they cannot understand what you are saying - you don't repeat the exact same thing like an autistic child who cannot fathom that someone cannot understand his thought process.

>The US patent and ip protections are a tool of American geopolitical power that only the west respects but china and the alternative world order that is being built piece by piece don't give a shit and are in fact building a parallel patent regime of their own.

Again, already addressed this. The US would not be the only one to take issue that their IP and technology transferred is being abused. China does not even need to be punished, as Brazil is the only one who is breaking their agreements. Breaking these agreements would harm relationships that they currently have and future since they betrayed the trust placed on them.

Secondly, I was never arguing that patent and ip protections are not political tool. I've been saying quite the opposite - to think I am arguing this you are either genuinely retarded or being a dishonest fuck trying frame my argument.

>It would be yours too if you understood basic modern geopolitics.

For someone who claims understanding of geopolitics - you sure are ignorant of how interconnected economies are, the depth of defence trades and how breaking agreements can seriously impacted future agreements.

Actually humour me - reread my posts and argue against what I'm saying instead of acting like that autistic child.

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>>77842160
Good goy

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All we have left, and they are being retired soon.

>>77849368
The thing is that you can launch the missile from such a distance that you dont need to penetrate it with your aircraft.

>>77853413
>Air Force
>useless

I guess thats why every war since WW2 has pretty much been determined by whoever had air superiority.

>>77858104
vietnam, lol

tfw sams/aa aren't that effective any more

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This girl and two sisters are to help us into 2045 with our old nimrods
I'll be sad to see the nimrods go, but at least the new rivet joints keep those pretty bulges all over her hull like all our other intel planes

>>77858134
The US had no serious problems operating in Vietnam either. Sure, there was more losses than in wars before and after, but they werent that huge.

If you only have SAM-systems you are allways on the defence and lets the enemy decide what moves to make.

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>>77853240

*offers*

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>>77845029

>>77859281
>The US had no serious problems operating in Vietnam either
Wrong

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>>77859281
usa and south vietnam lost 12+k aircraft there

12000+ aircraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

if sams/aa still were that effective there wouldn't be any easy wins neither in iraq, nor in afghanistan nor in yugoslavia etc

>>77860815

They had at times, but over all there was never any risk that they would loose air dominance.