Estonians

I really don't think anyone should be interested in what toilet scrubbers think

Who?

>>77801150
>caring about what those russians in denial think about anything

>>77801242
>>77801219
>>77801196

Cmon

>>77801150
Only finnish people I've met are middle-aged buying alcohol at our harbour. So I don't really know.

>>77803510
This probably, many Finns just go to Tallin tbqh

I'm planning to go further maybe this summer

>>77804490
If you're looking a for a good party and hipster qt's go to Tartu.

>>77804558
Maybe they'll Tartu muh dick :DD

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>>77804558
Tartu's one place I've tought, friend has apartment there

>>77805118
...on second thought just stay at the harbour.

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>>77801196
>>77801219
>>77801242
Cai-Göran dividing our kin, as usual.

I wonder how its even possible that every third drunk drivers caught in finland are estonuans. Are every estonians driving drunk here at the same time? One nationality just cant be this trashy

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>estonians

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>>77805638
how do we stop him?

>>77805638
>mitähän ne meistä ajattelee?
Same goes for anyone else. People with a low selfesteem think that way

>>77805699
>they're estonian-russian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kh7p4cD6Qc

why finland poliisi fuck estonia??

>>77805851
Finns obviously don't hold themselves in very high esteem on average, given how our people have willingly cucked themselves to the Swedes and keep doing so.

>>77805699
They will blame the russian as usual

>>77805851
>>77805965

I was just interesred to know

Not that I have any inferiority-complex

>>77805999
They were speaking clear estonian in this video >>77805890

>>77805965
You are swedes, just admit it and stop with this charade

>>77806143
In wich way are we Swedes?

Unless you we're just memeing

>>77806143
I'd unironically rather join Russia, if independence wasn't an option. The Swede must suffer for his sins.

>>77806209
Ivan please

>>77806192
A little bit of memeing and a little bit of seriousness.
You share alot of culture, history and DNA with us. We are more similair than you "true" finns would like to admit.
>>77806209
>The Swede must suffer for his sins.
And what sins are that?

>>77806310

Don't bait him. He's got a brain problem. You might literally set him off on a rampage.

>>77806296
Russians weren't the ones who made us a hollow people with no identity, it was Swedes. Swedes gaining from it would be wrong, they must wither and perish.

>>77806209
http://www.helsinginuutiset.fi/artikkeli/331409-orjuus-koetteli-suomea-pahemmin-kuin-afrikkaa-us-historioitsijalta-karu-arvio

Feudal europe was shit for eveyrone, but it was Russians who literally took us slaves more than Africans and sold to turks and arabs.

>>77806444
How do you have any less of an identity than the rest of Europe?

>>77806425
Nice refutation, cuck.

>>77806444
It was the Russians which took 9% of our population to slavery in just 20 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFglWuwn6g
>hollow people with no identity,
Speak for yourself

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This thread is about what Estonians think about us. Stop derailing it with your shitty baits you spastic autists.

>>77806310
>You share alot of culture, history and DNA with us.

Very true but that doesn't make us Swedes, like you are not Danes for example

We have clear differences too

>>77806453
We never enslaved anyone, we never even forced anyone into serfdom. You were lucky to be ruled by us instead of the germans or russians.

>>77806510
Our forced Nordic meta-identity is based on the subjugation of our people. That's not an identity I'm willing to adopt.

>>77806635

But an alien Slavic identity is one you're dying to adopt

>>77806577
I'm not speaking for myself, but the vast majority of Finns. If you inquired about how the average Finn would sum up Finnishness, he'd reply with pohjoismaisuus, sauna, talvisota, Mannerheim, Nokia and Angry Birds. All of that, to me, is a rather hollow basis for a national identity.

>>77806606
I know these people are just ignorant about the european history in Sweden it was pretty good compared to most of europe.
There was just one reballion against sweden in that 600 years

>>77801150
You need more mexicans to enrich your culinary culture.

>>77806687
You should work on your reading comprehension.

>>77806718
It's the same for Sweden and most other european countries, you are not unique in that regard.

>>77806751
True but why would they want to come here?

>>77806606
But Russians took Finns slaves during Swedish rule, also because of failed Swedish attacks.

But Swedish King didn't care since Russians would not come to Stockholm for revenge, only crossed the border and Finnish civilians had to suffer. Finns were like human shields.


But I agree Swedish rule was probably better than Russian could have been during then.

>>77806718
And what about sisu which pretty much sums up the finnish psyche?
Also being honest, hardworking and trustworthy? It's what matters

interdasting..

>>77806310
>You share alot of culture, history
Greeks too share history and culture with Turks.
>DNA
Lies.

>>77806444
>>77806444 #
You should realize that Russia giving Finland autonomy, or allowing have own culture were also serving Russian interestes

When situations changed, Czar tried to remove our identity

Things not so black and white

>thread about Estonians
>no Estonians itt

Do they actually exist?

>>77806903
on 4chan? maybe like 5 in total.

>>77806869
Being hardworking and honest are honorable traits for certain, but they need context, something which Finns lack.

When will uber-nationalist finns admit that in a darwinian way, a harder time for finns here has made us one of the best people on earth?

>>77806850
The swedish king did not really care more for swedish peasants than he did for finnish peasants. Ethnicity did not simply matter back then.

>>77806789

You're always making up excuses for why the Russian holocaust of our cousins like the Merja was a good and positive thing for everyone involved.

>>77806962
>but they need context, something which Finns lack.
Context in what way? We were the only country which paid war reparations to soviets. We were the only country which paid denbts to USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwQmwbQttkY
Ask Russians what they think about Finns that's what you hear. Hardworking, honest and trustworthy people.
That's why we have a good reputation there

>>77806979
There must've been a reason why Finnish conscripts made up 40% of the non-mercenary part of the Swedish military given how low our population was compared to mainland Sweden. You saw us as an other, and therefore expendable.

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>>77806966
Harsh environment (cold winters specifically) made all Europeans smarter than say, Africans

>>77807067
>Finnish conscripts made up 40% of the non-mercenary part of the Swedish military
Proofs? This is what the Finnish history education lacks. It totally dismisses the wars against Denmark. Sweden fought more wars against Denmark than it did against Russia

>>77806979
Probably true

So many Finns were peasants back then, therefore many Finns may often see it like "Swedish oppression"

>>77807026
No I'm not, show me one instance when I have.

>>77807123
Don't know about Denmark wars

But in Poland's war over half of troops were Finns

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>>77806887
There is a huge difference between the greeks and you finns. Ethnicity did not matter when it came to commoners, only religion did so you were just as happy under our rule as swedish peasants.
>Lies
Picrelated disagrees.

>>77807155
in fact many noblemen were Finnish origin like
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laukon_Kurki-suku

>>77807264
>>77807155
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirkkalaiset
And these guys

>>77807216

here
>>77806209

All Finns should feel infinite and deep hatred towards all Slavs for the extermination of our kinfolk

>>77807045
Context, as in an identity rooted in pride rather than ethnomasochism.

>>77807336
I don't view total assimilation as badly as what Swedes did. Even Volga Finns have more pride in themselves than Finns. I do hate Russians for that, but I have a much deeper disdain and hatred for Sweden.

>>77807379
>as in an identity rooted in pride
If you're not taking a pride of our country which we've built from nothing that's your shame. Recent history much more relevant than the ancient. Look at the southern european countries with a rich prideful history. Recent history isn't that glorious.
Stop living in the past and look forward

>>77807430
Yes so much pride that no one speaks their native language and have lost their roots and are totally slavs now a days.
I'm pretty sure you've watched suomalais-ugrilaiset 30 päivässä Ville Haapasalo. Only old people gives a shit and they'll be soon dead

>>77807219
In the wars against Denmark the swedish soldiers were often exclusively (modern day) swedish and some regiments were left behind during other wars since conflict with Denmark was always a risk.

>>77807430

I don't care to defend Swedes but we are partially responsible for our own history.
The Tavastian and Karelian tribes waged war against each other and looked for allies in Sweden and Novgorod when they should have been united and building cities together.

>>77807443
I spoke of modern Finland specifically. If we embraced who we truly are (as IKL and AKS did) instead of larping Nords, I would have no qualms whatsoever.

>>77807430
>I don't view total assimilation as badly as what Swedes did
So getting what you would call a half-assed national identity is worse than total assimilation? WHAT?

>>77807581
>instead of larping Nords
Everytime someone compares us to scandinavians we make sure we're not the same. Have you not noticed that or do you just see what you want to see?

>>77807642
It depends. The situation could still be salvaged but Finns have done nothing to achieve that after the initial wave of pan-Finnicism and love of our heritage.

>>77807581
>as IKL and AKS did

literally who

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>>77807833
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_People%27s_Movement_(Finland)

>>77807774
>pan-Finnicism
It was dead from the beginning. Eastern karelians saw as foreign invaders during heimosodat 20s. Their culture and traditions were russians only thing was distantly related language which we couldn't even understand.

We're patriotic people even if most don't believe some suur-suomi and that should be good, right? More closely united. I don't see Estonians or some russians karelians same ways as I see fellow finns. Suur-suomi larpers are the cancer of Finnish nationalism.

>>77807774
How could total assimilation possibly be better? Or is it the russian identity you would like?

>>77807527
Mari, for instance, has more speakers than Estonian. Even though they are declining in numbers due to younglings assimilating their culture and history is very rich and the ones that do embrace it do it fully. Most "nationalistic" Finns, on the other hand, are the Nordist type who despise our origins and proclaim kinship with peoples unrelated to us.

>>77807989
Today you are related to us and its fucking idiotic to claim otherwise.

>>77807955
Pan-Finnicism wouldn't necessarily have to entail a greater Finland, just emphasis on our Finnic heritage instead of false kinship with unrelated peoples.

>>77807989
>type who despise our origins and proclaim kinship
That's just in your head. And why should we have any kinship to anyone else to ourselves? We're Finns I don't care anything else than our people. Our people, which doesn't include some russians which we don't have any relation than distant language

>>77807955

>distantly related language which we couldn't even understand.

Standard Finnish is hypersimilar to Karelian and entirely different from the autismal babbling of Satakunta.

>>77807977
Total assimilation is preferrable to living in a lie. Not to Sweden, of course, that way their attempts to subvert us won't pay off in the end.

>>77808172
Total assimilation is the same as living in a lie, look at turks or americans for example.

>>77808068
Who the fuck cares about some people thousands of kilometers away? Should just stick to ourselves
We have nothing in common with them. The language which they speak is totally alien.
>>77808149
Karelian language is another language like estonian. You're confusing to the dialect

>>77808057
>>77807220
No we aren't, Finnish I1 predates Swedes and in terms of auDNA even Balts are closer.

>>77808242

The difference between a dialect and a language is a line drawn in the sand. Dialectical diversity can exceed language differences.

Sinunkaupat raumalainen voi tehdä sanomalla: "San snää mnuu snuuks, snuuks mnääki snuu sano."
Usein käytetty esimerkki rauman murteesta on "Kat ko kat kara rapui" tai "Katt katt kara rapui". Suomeksi asian voi esittää sanomalla "Katso, kun kissa juoksee portaita".

Feels good that that this utterly alien shit won't exist much longer. It's not Finnish.

>>77808265
So what if it predates? That only means the bonds go further back in time.

>>77808296
I meant those Mari as an alien and other fuckers in volga. The first time I heard the language I thought it was Russian

>>77808265
You're just talking about haplogroups. They don't mean anything since they're male only. Someone could have a nigger haplogroup if their great ancestor 500 years was a nigger

>>77808232
Assimilating to Russia over Sweden wouldn't be as big of a lie as assimilating to Sweden, seeing as a huge chunk of Russian genes derive from assimilated Finnic tribes. Of course a pan-Finnicist Finland would be preferrable to both.

>>77808321
We all have a common ancestor. Distance is what matters in this case though

>>77807955
>Eastern karelians saw as foreign invaders during heimosodat 20s.

Don't know about that but I think it was British army that turned them against Finnish troops

>>77808340

I don't care one bit about Mari. Point is that Karelian is like Finnish and Estonian and Rauma are not.

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>finns aren't related to swedes

Then why are you almost exactly as depigmented as they are? It can't be coincidence

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>>77808405
No, autosomal DNA too.

>>77808489
Balts are as blonde if not blonder than Swedes, and most of our genes derive from them.

>>77808489
Questionable meme chart with no sources provided. And even if it was true, it still doesn't prove anything

Americans need to stay out of these threads desu

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>>77808490
Yeah and how far we are from our "finnic brothers and sisters" We're our own unique group. Shouldn't think about pan-finnic

>>77808623
That wasn't my point, but if we're justifying kinship with blood we have much more cause to be friends with Balts than Swedes. Also, see >>77808068

>>77808418
>seeing as a huge chunk of Russian genes derive from assimilated Finnic tribes
What do you think happened with the lapps?

>>77808623

While it might never happen, Pan-Baltic-Finnic would be ideal. Genetic differences between Finns, Karelians and Vepsä don't exist because we're the same people and Estonians can tag along too despite being mixed.

>>77808671
Lapps aren't very close to us. Also Swedes sterilised many Samis.

>>77808661
And we don't have nothing in common with those people other than the distant language. We parted away from the thousands of years ago

It's almost like Germans having kinship with pajeets since they also speak similar language

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>>77808690
I'd be content with this too.

>>77808489

>most of our genes derive from them.

Source

>>77808811
>>77808526

>>77808725
The differences aren't that vast.Uralics are a very young group compared to Indo-Europeans, after all. I'd much rather take Volga Finnic kinship over Swedish "kinship".

>>77808489
Despite the mongol meme Finns and Swedes don't really look that much different from each other.

>>77808489
It has to do with latitude, not ethnicity. You see a clear pattern; the more north you go, the more "depigmented" it gets. Correlation is almost perfect

Of course this only applies to native Europeans

>>77808871

Neither do Ukrainians and French

Both have heads, arms. feet etc.

>>77808858
Or just have the finnish "kinship" why the fuck do you care about some foreign people so much?

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>>77808892

>>77808877

Light hair confers no known advantage at higher latitudes, it's just for show.

>>77808902

Finnishness doesn't really have any value by itself. It's just something defined by a couple of wars. t. eri

>>77809101
And even less for some russians thousands of kilometers away which we have no other connection than same language group.
At least finns speak the same language

>>77808811
>>77808837
Balts were a huge part in our ethnogenesis, Germanics on the other hand had minimal impact genetically.

>>77809147

So we should celebrate the fact that we have a language?
Every identity must have roots. Our roots are in the Volga.
Of course we came from there to here and the difference between Baltic-Finnic and Volga-Finnic is huge now so the primary identity should be Baltic-Finnic IMO.

Finns and Estonians are both slavs

>>77808871
Neither do Finns and Balts, much less so than Finns and Swedes due to our lack of Germanic genes.

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>>77809285
If you aren't already diagnosed with autism, you really ought to go see a psychologist.

>>77809285
We've came from every directions over the time Finland has been inhabited since the end of the ice age.
The uralic wave was just one of many and the most recent one which the earlier inhabitants adopted the language. They didn't come here as a big lump of people to uninhabited land.
Same way present day indo-europeans are not related to indo-europeans which spread the language and culture.
Keep in mind that prehistory is much longer than the recorded.

>>77809541
Of course you would be the first to have a problem with Finns awakening from their psychosis.

>>77809546

There were at least two waves, Saami people and us. Both were movements of people not just words.
Before that some people we know nothing about lived here and they are completely irrelevant.

>>77809546
Our paternal ancestors overwhelmingly came from the Volga, that is what matters. Only a cuck such as you would identify with his maternal side.
>Same way present day indo-europeans are not related to indo-europeans which spread the language and culture
They are paternally. Again, only cucks care about their maternal lines.

>>77803510
>>77804558
I tried tinder in Tallinn

Got loads of matches bretty good :DDDDDDDD

>>77809606
We don't even know about the other waves. 10 000 years. Fucking over 10 000 years. There weren't any samis no finnish no nothing.

This is the problem people think this about recent lingiustic terms and ignoring the tens of thousands years of european history which people have lived in this continent. Hell there were even fucking neanderthals living among us completely different human species

>>77809598
Don't flatter yourself.

>>77809743
It obviously isn't in the interest of Swedes to have Finns abandon their Nord larping.

>>77807067
In wars against Russia that's logical due to geography.

In wars against Danefags(majority of our wars) most soldiers were ethnic Swedes.

No one argues that Finns weren't treated like shit, because they were, but they were not discriminated against, Swedish peasants were also treated like shit just as much.

And at the end of the day, Swedish and Finnish peasants still had far more rights than their French, German, Russian, Polish etc counterparts.

>>77809731
See >>77809689

>>77809689
In the end who the fuck cares about this stuff? Only autistic people in 4chan arguing about haplogroups and who's white phenotypes

>>77809820
Finns who acknowledge and cherish their true heritage.

>>77809775
Geopolitical circumstances already ensure that Finland will trade and seek a mutually beneficial relationship with us. So we really couldn't give less of a fuck about whether you consider yourselves Nordic or not. Again, seek help.

>>77809907
Perhaps, but Finns would think twice before being Sweden's meatshield once more. That alone would be an inconvenience.

>>77809892
I bet you get laid a lot. I've never even heard a word haplogroup outside the internet
If you're so insecure just look at mirror if there's a mongol watching or not. I guess I'm such an individualist I don't really care too much about this nonsense
t. eri

>>77809974
>That alone would be an inconvenience
To Swedes, that is.
>>77809976
What do Mongols have to do with anything?

>>77809731

There's been genetic studies about the genetic past of nearby countries like Scandinavia, Sweden and Karelia and the indigenous people were not much like Finns or Saami.
Might as well forget about the 10000 I guess.

http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/07/17/164400

This ones particularly relevant. Norwegian indigenous people traced back the majority of their ancestry to Finland and were similar to the Karelian indigenous people. Again, these people have almost nothing to do with us.
We are recent arrivals here through mass migration from the Volga, Baltic and other places.

>>77809974
We have the same geopolitical interests like it not. Even our defence policies are in par when it comes to mutual defence and NATO
Pretty good channel overall. Has been pretty accurate in his predictions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQD8X-skLmA

>>77810097
>We have the same geopolitical interests like it not
See >>77809974

>>77810206
Yeah since defending our country is primerly being a meatshield to Sweden. In which part it say that in oath of allegiance
>I am promise to be solely a meatshiled protecting Sweden
I meant we have mutual interests.

>>77809974
Swedens meatshield?

>>77810321
We do, but if Russians wanted to attack Sweden I wouldn't stand in their way. I'd encourage it, even. They never defended us, and I'm not willing to defend them.

>>77810475
Some people think Sweden should have declared a war to Soviets and drag themselves to war and don't see the Swedish point of view in all of that. Sweden was playing for it's own intrest keeping out of the war
Ironically most people oppose NATO since we would have defend the baltics - same way when we're trying to protect our intrests :D

You can't talk with logic with these people. They see everything such onesided. Don't see anyother pov from other countries

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>>77810610
>I wouldn't stand in their way. I'd encourage it, even
Yeah just let Russia rape our country because you hate Sweden. I guess that's what the veterans thought "we're just here to protect sweden"
Why don't you just move to Russia already?

>>77810658
I honestly wish we would have done that aslong as we got Åland in return

>>77810741
Nice strawmanning. I said if they attacked Sweden, and Sweden alone. They're shitscared of a Russian invasion from Kaliningrad.

Why cant they sell mushrooms

>>77810752
We should sell them to Russia because you didn't. See how you fare when Russia's a stone's throw away.

>>77810801
Not really, nobody is seriously worried about a russian invasion. It's basically just a meme

>>77810658
I don't understand how they think. They make it sound like they were fighting to defend sweden and not finland.
really makes you think.

>>77810896
Nah, they merely want to see you suffer for a change. Sweden got away with all of its wrongdoings. Karma will fix that soon, though.

Why does finland fuck estonia

>>77810953
Sweden has literally done nothing wrong
We sold tons of steel to the Germans during the war and let them pass through our lands. Is that what you mean?

>>77810801
That's irrational fear. Invading an island that far away is logistically hard. Russia doesn't even have that strong military, all they have are the nukes which makes the difference

>>77810858
Sounds good, when Putins regime inevitably collapses it will be ours again

>>77811002
He means the "swedish oppression" 1200-1809. But Russia is the good guy despite took almost 10% of the population as slaves in 20 years 1700-1721

>>77811062
Really makes you hmmm thinking

>>77811002
Yes you have. They go way further back than WW2, too.
>>77811062
Nice quotation marks, cuck.
>despite took almost 10% of the population as slaves in 20 years 1700-1721
Swedes were indirectly responsible for that, too.

>Perinteisen historiankirjoituksen mukaan isoviha on usein nähty täydellisenä katastrofiaikana, mutta toisen maailmansodan jälkeisen tulkinnan mukaan tuo kuva on ollut liioiteltu. Nuorempaan, 2000-luvun tutkijapolveen kuuluva Kustaa H. J. Vilkuna on perehtynyt isonvihan aikaan tuomiokirjojen, kirjeiden, erilaisten luetteloiden ja valitusasiakirjojen perusteella. Hänen mukaansa monet aikaisemmassa näkökulmassa liioitelluiksi väitetyt kuvaukset pitävätkin paikkansa ja muun muassa raiskauksia oli vähätelty.[15]

>Liioittelun osasyynä nähtiin Ruotsin hallituksen miehityksen aikana harjoittama propaganda, joka pyrki korostamaan venäläisten raakuutta. Näin hallitus pyrki nostattamaan taisteluhenkeä. Vaikutus oli kuitenkin päinvastainen, ja paljon porvaristoa ja papistoa pakeni Ruotsiin. Talonpoikaisväestöä pakeni miehityksen alkuvaiheessa piilopirtteihin, joista he sitten palasivat asuinsijoilleen tilanteen rauhoituttua.[16]

>Tapani Löfving taisteli sissipäällikkönä venäläisten miehitystä vastaan ansiokkaasti, mutta kokonaisuutta ajatellen suomalaisten sissien toiminnalla ei ollut suurta merkitystä. Itse asiassa suomalaiset talonpojat suhtautuivat sissien toimintaan kielteisesti, ja Löfvingiä itseään pidettiin jopa pelkkänä rosvona, sillä venäläinen kenraali Fjodor Apraksin oli luvannut suomalaisille täyden turvallisuuden. Koska venäläiset kostivat sissien teot suomalaisille, Löfving koki useasti suomalaisten talonpoikien vastarintaa ja haluttomuutta yhteistyöhön. Ruotsin valtionjohdolta Löfving sai kuitenkin täyden tuen.

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I like all people <3

>>77811288
Stop being so sour you dumb cuck. Not only finns had it bad during your time in sweden.
Under monarchy any one who wasn't a noble or rich had it bad.

>>77811288
Yes it's the Swedes they forced Russians to kill and rape Finns and take slaves which sold to turks. It's always the Swedes behind the scenes
just to fuck us over is the whole purpose in life

Seriously are you some Russian if you're trying to turn isoviha, the greatest tradegy in our history somewhat justified?

Russians cossacks did the same shit in every place they occupied

>>77811426
Finns had it worst, though. We also suffered the most for Sweden's megalomania.
>>77811428
No, but Swedish greed played a role in that too.

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>>77801150
breddy good ebin x-ddd
but maybe it was just class trips to finlan during my school years

>>77811495
How did you have it worse? Other than suffering more in the wars against Russia

>>77731193
>>77731230
>>77731269
We've gone through this already.

>>77811548
>>77811589

>>77811495
How did you have it worse? Swedish people were extremely famished and devastated during the monarch times. Boys from the age of 15 were forced into the army and never returned. I don't get how you could have been so opressed and not revolt. Yet keep your language and culture for hundreds of years.

>>77811495
Yeah because it was the Swedes who sold Finns to arabs and turks as slaves. That's common Sweden.
Russia have long tradition selling their women to sex slaves goes back to mongol invasion when they sold their blonde girls to mongols since they were valuable

I wouldn't like to hear some criticism about Russia for a whole. I guess they don't teach sortovuodet in Russia. They literally tried to make us Russians

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>>77777777
ignore

>>77811623
See >>77811589

>>77811623
Because according to them all Swedes were noblemen living in the castles and all peasants in the kingdom were Finns

>>77806310

I wish we were part of Sweden. I'm sick of losing in ice hockey!

>>77811732
>We've gone through this already
Wew lad gr8 argument

>>77811589
>>77811611
Alot of this is just false propaganda and its all really long. Make a new shorter post instead and i will debunk it.

>>77811629
>Yeah because it was the Swedes who sold Finns to arabs and turks as slaves
No, but they played a part in the extent of it. It might not have happened at all without pro-Swedish partisans, who the majority of Finns didn't support.
>sortovuodet
Russians wanted similar privileges as Swedes, basically.

>>77811787
Whatever you say, lad.

>>77811820
>>77811820
>It might not have happened at all without pro-Swedish partisans, who the majority of Finns didn't support.
That was the normal thing which Russian cossacks did. They have a long history of doing that in their invaded territories. What kind of Russian apologist are you seriosly go back to Russia
>>77811820
>Russians wanted similar privileges as Swedes, basically.
Nicholas 2nd was pro Russians who wanted all his subjects to turn Russians. He closed lutheran churches in inkeri. He was as bad as Stalin when it came to purges of minorities

You always spot a kotiryssä when he minimizes Russian atrocities

>>77811961
Cossacks weren't Russian or part of their military, though, merely a mercenary unit.
>Nicholas 2nd was pro Russians who wanted all his subjects to turn Russians
It was the same in mainland Sweden, two centuries before even. Later on Finns got sterilized for their Finnishness.
>He closed lutheran churches in inkeri.
Look up the origin story of Tver Karelians.
>You always spot a kotiryssä when he minimizes Russian atrocities
Not minimizing anything, just putting things into perspective.

>>77812159
>Finns got sterilized
Source? My grandmother was from Tornedalen and all i have ever heard of is language discrimination.

>>77812159
>Cossacks weren't Russian or part of their military, though, merely a mercenary unit.
So that makes it fine? Russians raped killed, took slaves ever since the mongol times.
>It was the same in mainland Sweden, two centuries before even.
Yes they made it mandatory to have church ceremonies in Finnish.
>Look up the origin story of Tver Karelians.
Yeah go back to Russia
>just putting things into perspective.
Just ask Estonians what they think about Russian regime in their country compared to Swedish

Muuta sinne rodinaas

>>77812394
>So that makes it fine
No, but you falsely claimed they were Russian. Swedes too had mercenaries who indulged in similar degeneracy.
>Russians raped killed, took slaves ever since the mongol times.
1800s were far from Mongol times.
>Yes they made it mandatory to have church ceremonies in Finnish.
That was a side effect of the Lutheranism Swedes adopted, it wasn't some benevolent act of good will.
>Yeah go back to Russia
You're proving your bias once more, ignoring atrocities when it suits you.
>Just ask Estonians what they think about Russian regime in their country compared to Swedish
Estonians weren't under Swedish rule for very long, they probably pampered them just as Russia pampered us to keep us loyal.

All things considered both were horrible, but you still insist on sucking up to Swedes.

>>77812329
http://www.ts.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/721964/Kirja+Nain+Ruotsin+rotuoppi+kasitteli+suomalaisia

There's an entire book written about it, called Kansakunnan pimeämpi puoli. It probably hasn't been translated, though.

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>>77812394
> Just ask Estonians what they think about Russian regime in their country compared to Swedish

> swedes were so good we dunno why but they were so gud!!!

And then estonian strawman compares 1600s-1700s(!!!) with 1944 "soviet"(=russian) deportations

Anyway youre partially right, swedes spent more money on estonia than what peter 1 spent when he got this land

>>77812623
The reason why estonians liked our rule more than russian or german rule is because in the 1600s Karl XI made several land reforms limiting the nobilitys power. While this was popular among all peasants it was extra popular in the baltics because of the serfdom previously enforced. This was reversed when Russia took over.

>>77812623
Estonia at this time was largely ruled by German nobles, and we kept them the opposite of happy. Confiscating their wealth and property in the reduction, granting increased rights to their peasants... The anti-swedish coalition in the Great Northern War was actually started by a buttmad German noble. When he was captured, Karl XII reversed a law against torture and had him broken on the wheel.

>>77812906
So basically the finnish hardships during the GNW was caused by the kings goodwill towards peasants.

>>77809257
Source?

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Should rejoin us, and start a movement to revive Estonian Swedish.

>>77814421
go away homo

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This is the only Estonian I know and I regard him highly.

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I really REALLY like Finland.

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>>77814854

Well finns only see bottom of the barrel Estonians working in Finland and Estonians see the absolute worst Finns getting drunk and pissing themselves in Tallinn.

If the wages and liquor prices would be the same we would probably see ourselves in a different perspective desu.

>>77817095
This

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>>77816895
Estonians I met seemed alright

>>77817095
My friend works in construction and I've never heard him say anything bad about Estonians. He does have lots of horror stories about Russians and Poles.

I used to study at Tallinn Ulikool. Finns and Estonians are good people. I am actually heading over to Helsinki in December to join my friends there to celebrate the 100th. Of course staying in Tallinn for 2 weeks.

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>>77818439
hf

>>77818598
That's gotta be around 100 euros at least.

Never met a Finn, don't know desu

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>>77818696

We love you lil bro, our countries should unite under one flag and anthem.

>>77818681
yup exactly 100e

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>>77813834
In terms of auDNA there is a clear continuum between us and Balts, you can also see this in haplogroup frequencies.

>>77819253
Stop posting these gay charts. No one gives a fuck.

>>77819378

Does anyone give a fuck about anything in this thread?
Probably not

>>77819452
At some of these posts are funny or interesting. Autistic haplogroup posting needs to seriously die.

>>77819503

You probably think people posting oho in mämmi is comedy gold

This thread is just full on autism and there's no containing it now

>>77819378
>>77819503
Germanicist Finns cannot withstand reality

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>>77818165

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visited Helsinki for the first time, a lot of asian tourists, the old stone buildings are really really nice, expected to see more blacks and your streets are really wide

everything was expensive as fuck as well, overall a nice experience would recommend

why are all estonians on 4chan gay, is it cuz a ton of fags from russia migrated there cuz russia is homophobic

>>77823050
ok veli

>>77823050
Tallinn old town is much nicer desu.