Russia and EU

>>77782286
Because crisis in Ukraine
Because many Eastern European countries still hate Russia
Because USA doesnt want it

>>77782327
>Because crisis in Ukraine
You mean the crimea shit? I still can't understand why Russia would do that. It put them at odds with the Western World. They should just give Crimea back to Ukraine and be in good terms with the West.

>Because many Eastern European countries still hate Russia
Why? Is it because of the USSR?

>>77782286
They are two regional (Well in this case global) powers sharing a land border, that's going to cause some disputes.

Like Russia and China
Or China and India
etc...

>>77782286

russia is incapable of playing team games, it's either a leader of smaller nations or not playing at all

To be fair Russia should join EU, since ethnic Russians are Europeans.

But current EU is cucked with their refugee bullshit, and I am sure German doesn't want to give their leadership role to Russia. And Russia won't play second fiddle to Germany.

>>77782358
>I still can't understand why Russia would do that.
They took crimea because their military bases are there.
They are supporting separatists in Ukraine because they don't want Ukraine to join NATO

firstly because western europe is still occupied by the US of A

secondly, business in russia is already covered so the EU would need to somehow make space for their giants on the russian market which werent very welcomed by the companies there

thirdly the EU expects atleast some minimal democracy like functioning government which russia does not have nor have any tradition of having

i dont know what interests russia can have in europe, apart from selling resources which is already happening

>>77782358
Crimeans want to be part of Russia, and Crimea is strategically important to Russia.

>>77782383
The refugee situation is temporary, and some of them are getting repatriated, I heard.

>>77782419
Yeah, but they shouldn't just take it like that.
It was fucked up.

>>77782286
most obviously

You have to be democratic to join the EU
>>77782419
A referendum can only be fair if the whole nation votes, not just Crimea.

>>77782383
Russia doesn't fullfill the conditions for EU membership.
And even if it did, there are plenty of eastern european countries who could block Russias membership

fak eu and fak wh*Te """"""""""""""""""people"""""""""""""""""""""""

>>77782445
I doubt Russia cares if the referendum is legit or not, as long as they control the region.

they're not cucks

What are benefits from joining EU? No seriously.

>>77782286
the EU is led by a group of rich developed countries with an actual democracy.
russia on the other hand is a totalitarian corrupted police state with majority of population living in absolute poverty, this country is basically gas station that provides europe with oil and gas.

why would the EU let such a disgusting dictatorship that spits on human rights and its own citizens in?
russia has no future, it'll just slowly turn into irrelevancy while being raped by the oligarchs.

>>77782527
for you personally?
Beeing able to live, work or study in any EU country you choose

>>77782286
EU with russia is like Trumperica with Mexico

will never happen

>>77782286
Because the EU does not pursue an independent policy.
Because Russia wants to pursue an independent policy..

>>77782414
this. that region is just too important for us

>>77782584
why tho

>>77782566
Don't Ethnic Germans get tired of immigrants flooding their country?

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>>77782383
>But current EU is cucked with their refugee bullshit,
lol our capital is literally a muslim city at this point. in fact russia alone probably has more muslims than whole EU if we count illegal immigrants also

>>77782600
Access to black sea.

>>77782614
we have no problems with russian immingrants or european immigrants in general

>>77782566
Umm we have almost free citizenship so every churka would be able to live, work or study in any EU country.
No thanks that's pretty shitty

>>77782642
Ivan pls.
how the restaurant business of your family going btw?

>>77782600
why? just look at crimea. it's a huge port and military base that is perfect if you want to stay relevant in the black sea region

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>>77782383
>this entire post

>>77782664
but you had novorosiisk and sochi already

>>77782626
Are Tatars as bad as Arabs?

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>>77782626
delete this

>>77782903
Chechens seems to be the most troublesome.

>>77782903
Tatars can't be troublesome, they are one of our core nations.
t. tatar

>>77782903
Nah, tatars are absolutely bro tier. Caucasus mountain region is full of inbred salafis who want to bomb everyone or kadyrov lapdogs.
>>77782916
Majority o them are illegals who work there but the city is cucked as fuck tho

>>77782991
What are Ukrainian refugees like? Do they assimilate quickly?

Because Russia is a military threat to small EU counties, like the baltics. As the arguments which Putin used to invade the Krim also apply to them.

And Russia is of course a military threat to American military operations in the middle east.

The Netherlands is a huge investor and trade partner of Russia. So despite the many incidents we had we always normalized our relationships after. But MH17 was really something that couldnt be sold to the Dutch public. Because Russia refuses to hand over the people who did it. So since then we stopped blocking the sanctions.

Russia also has every right to fear nato considering Russia is surrounded by missile launchers that can intercept missiles but also launch nuclear attacks. And the foremost goal of nato is defeating Russia.

>>77782286
>Why is it that Russia and the EU don't get along very well?
Russia and Europe were enemies for centuries. As long as both entities exist they will be hostile to each other.
>Why can't Russia become part of the EU?
1. Russia is not in Europe
2. Russia and Europe are rivals, so even cooperation is unlikely.

>>77783041
They have very strong accent and they behavior is quite rustic. They are very extremely annoying too. I think they assimilate well but nobody want them here anyway

>>77783119
Some of the baltics have a 25% Russian population. Who sometimes do get repressed. And they strategically border the sea.

>>77782286
Both of them competing for the "communist superstate" title.

>>77782445
I'm not necessarily defending Russia, but do you also think the whole UK should have voted in the Scottish independence referendum?

>>77782566
We can achieve that as a neutral country

>>77782286
Why is it that Russia and the EU don't get along very well?
Why can't Russia become part of the EU?
Cuz our thief-emperor and his oligarch friends don't want to share money with someone. They pretend to steal money from budget forever. And our tv brainwashing people to create hatred toward Europe and the USA, internet is opposite.

>>77782903
Tatars are the second biggest ethnicity and are an integral part of Russian nation and have been for centuries. Also, they are completely secular.

>>77783205
>Russia will never be a prosperous, neutral country that isn't aligned with any blocks
Feels bad

>>77783255
In 15 years the oil hype might be over. What is Russia going to do then?

Russia has some good IT services but people are afraid to use them.

>>77782286
Because Europe wants to control and own Russia and to genocide Russians. Our whole history is basically defending ourselves from european invasions every 30 years or so.

>>77783287
>In 15 years the oil hype might be over. What is Russia going to do then?
Who the fuck knows.

>>77783195
yes

>>77783287
So you think that Russia can successfully reform government and economy if we join EU?

The amount of constant, relentless Russian astroturfing on this board is unreal

>>77783356
But that goes against their right to self-determination

Only Sint-Peterburg is european

>>77783387
No.

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>>77783296

>>77782972
>>77783224
Aren't those Tatars in the picture? Or Turks from Central Asia?

>>77784363
Central Asians mostly. To be fair they are not bad as Arabs.

Russia doesn't have many immigrants from middle east. Their muslims are mostly Chechens (Caucasians), Tatars (Eurasians) and Central Asians (Eurasians).

Even if Russia were a democracy and didn't threaten the Balts, it would be still too big for Europe.

>>77783296
>Our whole history is basically defending ourselves from european invasions every 30 years or so.

Yet you guys invade Europe much more.

>>77784964
No they're always the innocent victims

>>77784964
[citation needed]

>>77785035
How about Ukraine?

When will Russia grant Siberia independence and become proper European country again?

>>77785084
when it will run out of resources ( even forests )

>>77785048
it's not invasion

>>77785048
Even if you consider Crimea an invasion(which it is not) and Ukraine a european country(which it isn't) this one example. And a wrong one. Still waiting.

>>77785084
>again

>>77785175
Well the last time you were attacked was during WW2 and by then you had invaded the Baltics, Poland and tried to take us

>>77782286
We don't want to be a part of yet another sovok

>>77785175
There's been numerous wars in which Russia has been the aggressor. Are you seriously denying this?
No wonder you're like bunch of niggers with a victim dindu nuffin complex

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>>77785238
>balts side with bolsheviks and help them to gain power
>why ussr invaded us reeeee

>>77785175
>Even if you consider Crimea an invasion(which it is not)
I believe invading a sovereign country count as an invasion

>>77785238
>invaded the Baltics, Poland and tried to take us
Defensive measures against europeans, who literally tried to genocide us. But okay, I'll give you that. That is one invasion by the Soviet Union(not Russia, mind you) against numerous ones by Europe.

>>77785281
>There's been numerous wars in which Russia has been the aggressor.
Name one

>>77783356
this is pretty fucking retarded

>>77785281
>you're like bunch of niggers with a victim dindu nuffin complex
Says a european

>>77785347
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_War

>>77785347
Great northern war, Finnish war, Winter war just to name a few. I don't believe Russians even knowing their own history
>That is one invasion by the Soviet Union(not Russia, mind you)
Russia is the legitimate successor. Is the Kievan rus, Novgorod, Moscowite russia the same?
It doesn't work that way

>>77782286
Russians don't want others (Brussels) to make decisions for them, they want to go their own way. Most Russkies don't identify with Europe anyways

>>77785377
Well you are the ones pulling the victim card in every occasion. Can't you even see it? Even in this thread.

>>77785505
Nah, Russians with victim complex are a rare thing, most of them are openly proud of their conquests

>>77785563
Clearly you've never met one.. All they do is whine about oppression and mean europeans always bully the poor Ivan

>>77785505
>Well you are the ones pulling the victim card in every occasion.
Because between Russia and Europe, Russia has always been the victim. You tried to genocide us ffs. How far up your own ass can you be?

>>77785632
>All they do is whine about oppression and mean europeans always bully the poor Ivan
No, not really.

>>77785635
Yeah I'm sure Finns tried to genocide you mate

>>77785563
>>77785632
Also you've probably heard of "ruossophobia" they like to use that word

>>77785632
It's literally the other way around

>>77785644
They do that even on Finnish talk shows where they have been invited to

and they live here

>>77785473
>Russians don't want others (Brussels) to make decisions for them, they want to go their own way.
fuck off kremlinshill. we ordinary russians don't make any decisions anyway, and we can't influence what the dictator and his oligarchs do. and i rather see europeans rule us than the current government. i do believe our lives would be at least slightly better
>Most Russkies don't identify with Europe anyways
that is true though, especially if we are talking about modern times. in the news and even average people always say "(something) happened in europe" or "europeans do/decide" or "i'll visit europe" and etc when they talk about europe. we don't see this country as european and vast majority of people here (except a few euroboos with inferiority complex) don't consider themselves european

>>77785657
You don't even know that Finland was part of the Axis? Seriously? European memory is a peculiar thing.

>>77785635
>You tried to genocide us ffs

Yeah I'm sure those Poles who you invaded with the nazis tried to genocide you.

>>77785685
>i rather see europeans rule us
t. cuck
Europeans would kill at the first opportunity, Manya.

>>77785635
Proof? Proof? Proof?
Anyway it's mostly been otherway around. Why is Russia mostly slavic despite originally inhabiting only small portion of present day Russia?

>>77782286
>Why can't Russia become part of the EU?
That would mean all those Russian oligarchs/mobsters must go.
As long as Russia is ruled by criminals they will stay outside of the EU.

>>77785441
>>77785407
Don't even try to waste your time. He's a subhuman, we call them "Pidorawka" here.

>>77782286
blame the eternal anglo

>>77785711
deflecting 101

>>77785743
This.

>>77785700
what is winter war

>>77785711
Poland invaded Russia when it was at its most fragile state
France invaved Russia
Sweden invaded Russia
Germany invaded Russia killing >20 million people etc.

>>77785700
Well you were happy enough to make deals with the Axis until you were double-crossed, don't play with fire I guess.

>>77785739
>Anyway it's mostly been otherway around.
No arguments again. How typical.

>>77785789
A defensive war against future invasion by literal Nazis. Other questions? I can happily educate you.

>>77785700
And Russians could see into future, thats why they invaded Finland even before they allied with Axis

>>77785790
>France invaved Russia
Sample, pls.

>>77785790
Yet you don't count those times when Russia was the aggressor. Why do you have such a biased view of history. I don't deny that western europeans have launched invasions to Russia
What really annoys me is that Russians deny everything that maybe they weren't always innocent victims

>>77785793
It was a non-agression pact so that they had more time to prepare themselves for the war. They took eastern Poland as a buffer zone, it literally saved them from getting run over by German troops

>>77785793
No, you were making deals with Hitler. Soviet Union just tried to buy some time.

>>77785734
this is true
we would send you to polish death camps

>>77785821
>A defensive war against future invasion
Kekerino. Same for Nazis.

>>77785802
Proof?

>>77785845
Russia was agressive too, obiously. But Europeans are the ones who play the victim card all the time

>>77785856
First of all that's a pretty convenient excuse, and second of all I'm not the one playing the perennial victim here.

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>>77785856
>you were making deals with Hitler. Soviet Union just tried to buy some time.
WE DINDU NUFFIN
WE WERE GOOD GUZZZ
pathetic

>>77785700
We were part of axis only because of winter war. It was a defensive invasion :^)

>>77785828
An antirussian, Nazi sympathising state on the border. No need to have prognostic abilities to see where wind was blowing.

>>77783195
Shouldn't that depend on what is said in a country's constitution regarding secession? It seems probable that there are constituent regions of some countries which have been granted the right of unilateral secession.

>>77785920
>It was a defensive invasion
Europe seems to be quite fond of those.

>>77785867
no you wouldn't, Ivan. you are just a russian immigrant.

and Catherine the Great who was Prussian, was quite a good ruler btw.

>>77785895
We are the victim. And Europe is always the aggressor. No matter how uncomfortable it makes you.

>>77785958
>and Catherine the Great who was Prussian, was quite a good ruler btw.
I agree. Russia is at its best when ruled by Germans

>>77785821
Defensive war when you are thr aggressor? We had no ties to Germany whatsoever at that point of time

>>77785915
t. pidorashka supreme

>>77785921
>Nazi sympathising state on the border.
No we weren't we were leaning to western allies britain and france. You were the ones who had a deal with nazis splitting the europe. You were the allies
>>77785989
>We are the victim.
There we go again. The victim card

>>77785921
How exactly was Finland nazi sympathising when it was you who had Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact pact with Germany?

>>77785989
Let's be honest tho, we both were agressors

Fuck Russia, this thread has made me a NATO membership supporter.

>>77785997
>We had no ties to Germany whatsoever at that point of time
Do you even know your own history? Your government were literal Nazis with extensive ties to Germany.

>>77785997
>Defensive war
haha. The Winter War was already over and the peace treaty signed, but Finland decided to take revenge on the Soviets and joined the Nazi invasion.

>>77786040
>One country invades another in order to exterminate its population.
>"We were both aggressors"
Fuck off, euroshit

>>77786017
Sure, degenerate.

>>77786066
>Your government were literal Nazis with extensive ties to Germany.
That was in 1941 fuckwat not in 1939 when you had signed the molotov-ribbentrop pact the nazis. During that time you were allied with nazis :D

>>77786066
>Your government were literal Nazis with extensive ties to Germany.

What, no. And Mannerheim detested German and was a angloboo. Ties to Germany came on after the Winter War because the war showed that Finland needed allies.

>>77786057
Why are you so easy to manipulate, it takes one shitposter on 4chan to change your political views

>>77782286
If not nukes fuckers whould invade on us again like in 1918. Fuck them very much.

>>77786066
How exactly was Finnish Government nazi?
Their ultra-nationalist party only had 14 seats out of 200 in parliament

>>77786111
>muh molotov-ribbentrop
do you even read my posts, this pact saved the soviets from a total german invasion >>77785847
it was a geopolitical masterpiece

Most destructive to Russian people have been their own leaders even since Ivan the terrible. Can't believe Russians admire a massmurderer like Stalin.
Russia has always crumbled from within not by an outside invasion. You should be more concerned about domestic issues

>>77786165
There's at least 3 different fingols posting

>>77786165
>molotov-ribbentrop
It was war crime, we sell Poland to nozis. That was not right. Sorry Poland pls.

>>77786199
And get raped by equally bad regime.

>>77786260
Hitler was way worse than Stalin

>>77786169
Are you saying that Russian rulers since Ivan IV have always been terrible(no pun intended)?

>>77786274
Probably. We'll never know what would've happened in the 3rd reich. Probably same shit.
Tells a lot you have to defend Stalin "Well he wasn't as bad as Hitler lmao"

>>77786164
>How exactly was Finnish Government nazi?
>what is suur suomi
>what is literally hundreds of meeting between Nazi leadership and Finnish politicians
>what is extensive information exchange between German and Finnish intelligence services

>>77782286
You would know if you even had a minimal understanding of modern history.

>>77786169
Most destructive to Russian people was having a border with european animals.

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>>77786333
I am not defending Stalin. I am just saying that Hitler was on an entire different level

> We'll never know what would've happened in the 3rd reich.
pic related

>>77786357
That shit was 1941 when we didn't have no one else to turn to.
Back in 1939 there wasn't any nazi sympathies we were leaning towards britain and france.
You know for the rest of the WW2 begun in 1939 not 1941

>>77786357
>what is literally hundreds of meeting between Nazi leadership and Finnish politicians
You mean after they invaded your country? Gee, I wonder why they would be looking for allies

>>77782286
EU is supported by the usa because it acts as a front against russian expension and imperialism

most EU founders were CIA tools

>>77786453
>That shit was 1941
That shit was 1930s, years before Winter War, you liar.

>>77786493
Proof?

>>77782626
filthy muslims, according to the quran they don't have to pray together or 5 times a day they don't even need mosques. such public display is jihad.

>>77786357
>ignoring the context of aligment with no one in
the winter war
>going straight to the continuation war for your finns were nazis narrative
Britain left us alone to deal with the soviet union, the 1941-1943 alliance was a survival strategy.

>>77786424
But Ivan you are european. You don't belong to Siberia and other parts of present day Russia which you forcefully took

>>77785320
Crimea wanted to be part of Russia. They took it without firing a shot.

>>77786465
>russian expension and imperialism
You mean surviving? France under jew govt and gettting genocided by immigration, you can't judge me.

>>77786557
>you are european
ha ha nice joke :D

>>77786567
It doesn't matter what they want. Why won't just let every separatist group have their own independence or join another country.
I bet Russia wouldn't mind if Russia get balkanized if that's the will of their people, right?

>>77785743
There are already lot of shitholes in EU, who are no better than Russia.

Russia would be a valuable ally because of their military and natural resources. But they will never join, unless they get to be the leader. Which will never happen.

>>77786584
>France under jew govt and gettting genocided by immigration

same thing for you.

>>77786584
Russia has higher percentage of muslims than France

>>77786615
Did Putin brainwash you into thinking you're not Europeans?

>>77786685
Yeah but laws allows to shoot them if what.

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>>77786657
Separatism in Russia is pretty much dead

>>77786684
yeah...

>>77786720
pretty sure it doesn't

>>77786694
>p*tin

I'm not even his supporter; moreover, I'd be very happy to see him dead.

Anyway, Russians arent europeans and never were.

>>77786694
Do Australians really not know that Russia was never actually conquered by Europe?

>>77786791
>>77786779
but Russians are Europeans

>>77786738
But if suddenly that should become a thing, do you think Kreml would just let leave?
We both know the answer. Russia has fought 2 civil wars against sepatarist. They're bunch of hypocrites when it comes to Ukraine and Georgia

>>77786819
>but Russians are Europeans
According to whom?

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>>77786819
>but Russians are Europeans
Meanwhile, in real life

>>77786760
But it is. There are only six rules allows you to kill enemy and they work.

>>77786865
It's a basic fact.

>>77786779
The boundary between europe and asia is the urals nowadays. Russia has it's origins and capital to the east of it, as well as a vast majority of the population.
Russia is European.

>>77786791
Slavs are originally from ukraine-poland area. You don't belong to the far east. You're conquerors
Or is Russian imperiliasm just better?

>>77786897
This is one stale ass meme, m8

>>77786899
fuck west i mean

>>77786865
Don't they teach geography in Russia?

>>77786904
Says fucking alien, go back to your planet Atlantis sapiens.

>>77786897
>It's a basic fact.

Not an argument.

>2017
>'le Russia is european' meme
Way to derail a perfectly good shitposting thread, assholes.

Russians are Europeans who expanded into Asia about 400 years ago. While other Europeans were expanding West and colonising lands in Americas.

>>77786865
You speak an European language and are influenced by European culture.

>>77786878
Killing each other has always been an European tradition

>>77786970
It is though
But i don't blame you for being brainwashed, your country has a terrible relatively recent history

>>77786998
>But i don't blame you for being brainwashed
>says a european
Mein sides

>>77786865
>speak a european language
>wear european clothes
>use european calendar
>obey european customs
>labor under (traditionally) european religion
>live in europe
>"we're asian xdddddd kill all wh*tes xddddd"
rangeban russians please

>>77786865
>>77786928
>>77786970
According to fucking geography you snow niggers
Europe stop at Ural, and before you tell me half of russia is in asia, it's colonial holding and Russia is as much asian as France is south-american because of Guyanne.

>>77786899
Was muslim spain (al andalus) european? Or the ottoman empire? And origins mean nothing. Hungarnas, for example, originally came from western sibera.

Of course, georgaphically Russia can be european, but not culturally.

>>77786990
>but russian conquest is a different thing

Russia is EURASIAN

>>77787061
It's some retard who even deies basic stuff that is common knowledge in Russia. Here we literally divide people into European (including us ofc) and everyone else. Don't feed him.

>>77786998
>for being brainwashed
By whom?

>europeans still can't get over the fact that never conquered Russia
Sad, desu

>>77787061
When we say "europe", we imply a cultural category, not georaphical.

>>77787141
soviet i imagine
to turn your people against the west more

>>77787081
Russia is culturally European, see >>77787059

>>77787170
it's both and you're clearly european in both cases

>>77787177
I was born after the collapse of USSR. And no, soviets didnt propagate the idea Russians arent european.

>>77787061
Europe stops at Russian border, because Europe is a cultural region, you absolute moron.

>>77786990
>russian expanding into Sibir is colonialism
Mongol Empire, Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire were colonial empires too?

>>77787246
Mongol and Roman Empire for sure

>>77787170
Your culture is european as well. What is your writing system based on, religion, names? I believe greece the gradle of european civilization
Don't you even claim to successor of Rome? Yet again european empire. Just what is not european about you?

>>77787193
>what is globalization

Sure, according to him, almost everyone is european.

And christianity isnt european religion due to its origins, btw.

>>77787207
We have absolutely nothing in common with Europe culture-wise.

>>77787246
rome was
the mongols weren't

>>77787275
see >>77787059 for a few basics

>>77787170
>>77787225
I wonder why Russian, as the British, think they have nothing to do with Europe.
Your history, your politics, everything is tied to Europe. Even if we consider that you weren't originally European (and I would deny that), your country was so much influenced and eager to be European in the 18th century that today, you are as much European as every other European.
I can agree on a concept of Eastern, Western, Southern, Northern European, but geez, Russia is European.

>>77787275
Can you provide an example ?

>>77787059
eastern europe isn't traditional "europe" too

>>77787267
>I believe greece the gradle of european civilization
Europe, Russia and Middle East were all influenced by Greco-Roman civilization. Despite your delusions, you do not have a monopoly on its heritage.

>>77787268
Russia had European culture even before Globalization
>And christianity isnt european religion due to its origins
But Greek Orthodoxy is

>>77787267
Byzantium actaully wasnt a part of so called "Western world".
>writing system
Turks, for exmaple, use latin letters.
>religion
see>>77787268

>>77787193
Russia is home to 180 cultures
>inb4 80% are ethnic Russians
Bullshit, most people just they they are "Russian" by default even tho they have like 1% Slavic blood, like for example this dude who is the mayor of Moscow

>>77787267
Not to meantion the word tzar comes from the word ceasar

>>77787059
Can you ignore that idiot, who keep saying Russia is not europe. He is trolling you.

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>>77787355

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>Russians are Europeans

>>77787355
I am not entierly sure what point you are trying to make

>>77787321
>Your history, your politics, everything is tied to Europe.
Still, it doesnt make us to be europeans.

>>77787321
>Can you provide an example ?
Example of fucking what, reality? Russia and Europe learned of each other's existence 500 years ago. Russian and European culture were developing parallel from each other and come from different roots. Our traditions, history, culture, everything is different. Of course there are some superficial similarities because of geographical proximity, but they exist between any neighbouring cultures. We have more in common with fucking China than with you.

>>77782286
>Why can't Russia become part of the EU?
Russia is not part of Europe.

>>77782286
>Why can't Russia become part of the EU?
Do you know how EU works?
It's the same reason why Turkey or Ukraine are not EU yet.

Russia joining EU would mean handing power over the union to a crowd of 150 million mongols.

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>>77787441
Russia is not culturally European, Russia is multicultural and Slavs are probably a minority

>>77787448
Slavs are europe you deepshit. Even east germans are slavs historically. Fuck off.

>>77787348
>But Greek Orthodoxy is
No. Catholicism and protestantism are european, but def. not greek orthodoxy since as I said>>77787349
>Byzantium actaully wasnt a part of so called "Western world".

>>77787474
>Russia and Europe learned of each other's existence 500 years ago.
Russia was always WEWUZZING as Romans. How could Russia pretend to be Rome if they had no idea about Europe?

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>Russia is European

>>77787513
Russia is a colonial Empire
It has its core land in Europe + a bunch of colonial holdings in Asia

>>77787559
>Russia was always WEWUZZING as Romans. How could Russia pretend to be Rome if they had no idea about Europe?
Actually after the fall of Consnatinople. Which happened in 1452. So slightly more than 500 years ago.

>>77787559
Russia was wewuzing about Byzantium. And Byzantine empire was not european.

>>77787474
Give a fucking example, someone earlier note that you were christian, using european alphabet, with european law.
You're not wearing pointy hat, you don't eat rice. You were trading with Europe millenia before hearing about china.
If you can't provide basic example of Russo-European cultural difference, your blinding yourself.

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>Russia is part of the occident
don't make me laugh

>>77787589
There's a difference between "Empire" and "Colonial Empire". Atleast because all colonial empires had lost all they're colonies and Russia still owns a Sibir.

>>77787653
Being christian isnt equal to being european, stop fucking repeat that. And again, are turks using latin alphabet euroepans?

>>77787688
France and Britain still have some of their oversea holding.
But I agree, Russia is the only Colonial Empire that got away with keeping its colonies

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>a european country
pfffhahahahahahhahahah

>>77787621
Byzantium pretended that after collapse of Western Roman Empire they are true and only Rome, we were pretending the same after end of Byzantium.

>>77787653
Christianity is middle eastern, Cyrillic was invented by Byzantine scholars in the Balkans and the whole world is using western clothing and law system. All neighbouring cultures trade with each other. You do not get to claim that other cultures do not exist because they also listen to europop. Also, btw, we eat quite a lot of rice and drink a lot of tea.

>>77787726
It's not equal to being european, it's just an example of how Europeans and Russians civilisation might be close. I want an example that show the opposite but nobody provided anything except meme since the beginning of this discussion.

Russian are the first to ask for proof, but it seem it's only when it suit them.

>>77787830
>>77787559

>>77787759
my fucking sides, russia is as muslim as it is christian

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>>77787726
>Russia
>Christian

>>77787849
I'M ASKING FOR FUCKING EXAMPLE OF RUSSIAN CULTURAL EXCEPTION AND UNIQUENESS, WHY CAN'T YOU PROVIDE IT?

IS IT JUST BECAUSE YOU FUCKING HATE ME OR BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST SPOUTING MEME THAT YOUR PROPAGANDA TOLD YOU TO THINK?

>>77787860
>we are Romans but not Europeans
lol

>>77787884
Same with muslims here
also
>christcucks

>>77787899
>>77787851
Almost everything. Religion, traditions, culture, history, geographical position.

Try to visit Russia and you'll get that.

>>77787730
>Colonialism involves unequal relationships between the colonial power and the colony and often between the colonists and the indigenous peoples.
So why Chukchi, Buryats and other non-european ethnic groups didn't take their Sovereignty when Eltsin said "take as much sovereignty as you could swallow" and enjoying they're own "federal subjects" inside Russia?

>>77787899
Burden of proof is on you. You are the one spewing bullshit here. Tell me how Russian culture doesn't actually exist and it is basically a variation of a European one.

Russian tradition, culture is different from the European one. Hell they don't even celebrate christmas on December 25

>>77787969
I'm half russian, my mother is russian, I visit it every summer, maybe you should go to Europe once.

>>77788008
I dunno
But if I had to guess, I would say they wanted more gibs from Russia

>>77788060
>I'm half russian, my mother is russian,
Indeed... And I wondered - why would french so desperately defend russians as being europeans.

>>77788060
>I'm half russian, my mother is russian, I visit it every summer
I will take 'bullshit' for 500
>maybe you should go to Europe once.
>go to Europe
You are literally contradicting yourself, lol

>>77787917
Basically "Europe" is only western Europe. Fact that europeans claim that slavs, balts, finns and even hungarians are europeans too is just standard nazist european aggression.

>>77788160
I am not a historian but I am pretty sure nazis wanted to genocide slavs, not to view them as europeans

>>77788070
Yes, it's one of empirial politics. Empire doesn't murder and trade joined people as slaves, doesn't try to assimilate them, empire lives like a big family.

>>77788189
yes, and then they lost ideological war in Europe to other nazis that thought that globalization is better way then genocide

>>77788329
Just like the EU
Come home, lost son ;^)

>>77788189
Funnily, neo-nazis in Russia and Ukraine absolutely refuse to see any difference between Aryans and Slavs when talking about Nazi doctrines. It's like some sort of lesion in their brain - they are absolutely unable to even see any difference - like color blindness.

>>77788382
sounds to me like the "other nazis" are better

>>77782286
1. Nato
2. eastern european states scheming
3. EU is US vassal.

>>77786066

Wir haben keine Judenfrage. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

>>77788470
But there's a lot of another, non-nazi ways.

>>77782286
Because letting the Butthurt Belt in was a mistake. Also, EU is just a USA vassal

>>77788661
communist way?

>>77782327
>because USA doesn't want it
Now that Britain's out of the loop, you can do whatever the fuck you want, even if it's a terrible idea.

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>>77788901
Eurasian.

>>77788914
Both USA and Russia have strong militaries.
And both countries capitalize this power by selling protection to other countries.
Meaning, countries which can't or don't want to buy American protection, get it from Russia.
Naturally, this makes USA and Russia competitors

>>77788965
the fuck is eurasian way?

>>77789088
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasianism

>>Why can't Russia become part of the EU?

Why won't Russia just join NATO, while we're at it?

Borders of Europe end at Russian borders. Russia can't be part of EU because it would be end of EU. Same goes for Turkey.

I'd even say Turkey is more European than Russia.

>>77789120
Looks like Soviet Union to me

>>77782564
>EU is led by a group of rich developed countries with an actual democracy.
EU is lead by group of imbeciles from Brussels who are telling other ""countries"" what to do

>>77789204
Soviet Union was keen on technologies and egalitarianism. Eurasian Union is for conservatism and hierarchy.

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>>77783296
Do not take into account the words of this fucking idiot

>>77783217
This.

>>77783217
>Why can't Russia become part of the EU?
Because you lack any of the qualifications to enter, namely being European

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>>77782358
News for You

We dont give a Fuck about your gayeuropa world dream dont even put us in same lavel with the (((((Western World))))))

I know what You try to do You try to Fuck russian just like swedan

Right ???

Never gona hapend

We hate You brazilian Fuck come here get stabd

Fuck your knife buck stabing Western World dream ))

Russian showed make a union with china north Korea Iran Arabiac world Turkia Asia only

Russian sould see all europian pepole us weak fags and if You weak why the Fuck i should join You for mony for trevel in your shity countrys ???

Fuck You i wanna make Asia Russia Great not Europa Fuck Europa

LoL this brazilian fag say he dont anderstend why mother Russia. Take Krym back lol are You stupid ???

Russia doing Great bilding new nukes and put them all on Europa and america :)

Russian will crash the eu economic
Sonction only make us stronger and stronger and feel more hate for all of your

(((((Western World))))))

Fuck You and Fuck Europa and all europian pepole we are with Asia and china not with You((((( Western World)))))))

Show me any russian who the Fuck wanna be a Westerner scum ?????

No one we fucking hate your pepole your pepole make us sick fucking gays go kill your self


LoL ask a europian scum if i should take Krym back Fuck You i just call my army friends and we go to Krym and we take it back

What You gona do Western World scum Krym is our and soon Ukraina will be cut to half ;)


Fuck You i spit on Your weak intulectul lol Russia sould never take crym bcouz gayeuropa said it will Fuck our economic lol who give a Fuck about economic we get Krym back

LoL why russian take Krym back its a dream i hoph we gona Help Serbia to take kosovo back to


And we shit on your Western World economic or feelings

Feel is for weak we Use power only we take what we want and You cant do nothing about

Hall i dont give a Fuck if i die for mother Russia whan half of your Western gay World nuked

>>77789714
Quality post

>>77783217
>POSTER WAS EXECUTED FOR THIS POST

>>77789714
wtf I love Israel now

>>77789714
Basically, Ramzan Kadyrov's speech given to that one journalist.

>>77790171
Meh, first one was better.

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>>77789814
Sposibo I Just made a Home made akroszka aкpoшкa brat moj

Pic releted moja akroszka !!

Fuck (((Western World))))

>>77790460
This doesn't look like akroszka desu

>>77790746
I put kifir i put pig meat i put kartoszka i put kalbasa doktarskaja i put ukrop i put jajca

What i missed???

>>77791139
Akrozska is made with kfazss, not kifir.

>>77782286
>Why is it that Russia and the EU don't get along very well?
>Why can't Russia become part of the EU?

is like asking "Why is it that Brazil and Argentine don't get along very well?
Why can't Brazil become part of Argentine?"