Are you ready for the EU-USA fallout?

I'm terrified

Dunno what the Pee Poo is crying about, current US administration can't stop slurping on the Russian ballsack

>>77522959
Friendly reminder that the only real allies you have on the planet are the EU countries, and maybe Canada.

Everyone else hates your guts and wishes to destroy your country.

>>77523037
World order would collapse in a day if we were to call all of our soldiers and equipment home.
Enjoy speaking russian, prices on everything going through the roof due to Somalian pirates attacking shipping lanes and dealing with the refugee aftermath of Russia and China growing rarger.

>>77523176
There are certanly a lot of countries that depend on American world order.
However, EU member states are none of those countries. Currently, we go along with NATO because our leaders don't want to change a running system.
But if it became necessary, EU would be more than able to build up its own army

>>77523690
>build up its own army

You mean a German army

>>77523733
Back to /pol/ you dumb mong.

>>77522935
Every time EU takes another few billions from some amerian company because they broke the laws here I laugh.

The annoying thing is that The Netherlands and Germany will be the ones paying for any "US sanctions".

It's easy to sanction a country you don't even trade with.

>>77523791
How is that a /pol/ statement? I do not browse /pol/

I just think it would boil down to a German army as they would have the most power and would likely have the commanding positions

>>77523858
our army is much weaker than the french

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>>77523890
Yes but you're an economic power house compared to other EU countries, all you need to do is have the will to build up your military

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>>77522959
you better be, *merican dog, we will raze the white house, guillotine trump and take back the statue of liberty since you don't deserve it

>>77523909
>Posts British plane
Hmm.

k

>>77523858
germany is an occupied country

>>77523909
wait what germans are still allowed to use pseudo-nazi crosses on their planes ? didn't we forbid them ? why isn't there the eu logo there instead ?

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>>77523932
The prototype was british
The Eurofighter is manufactured by a German company

>>77523967
I think the cross is older than Nazism.

>Russia is bad
>now buy our idealogically correct gas goy
I like the US, but the can suck a dick if they want to get in the way of trade with Russia.
I don't think EU should overcommit on sanctions that hurt us while providing no boon towards solving Ukraine.
PS: poles hate nord stream because they want them jooci transit fees.

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>>77523967
Really not sure.. perhaps some Kraut anon here knows

>>77523971
Yes, and the prototype almost never saw production because the Germans kept delaying and refusing to pay their fair share.

The sooner EU realizes that America doesn't have friends only interests the better. EU needs to be able to stand on its own and stop being a vassal on US. Kill NATO, start looking out for European interests on trans-atlantic relations and be friendlier to Russia and China.

>>77523967
>pseudo-nazi crosses

their armored divisions are still called panzerdivisions, do you have pstd yet?

>>77523967
the iron cross predates germany as a state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Cross

>>77522935
Oh shit, I should have stayed in my third world village.

I hope the Heer can defend me.

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>>77524027
Really? I don't know that much about Eurofighter history

But I do think think it's one of the sexiest fighters to ever exist

>>77522935
there is no worse food than russian

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>>77523967
Finnish Airforce coming through

Don't forget that the EU, while not exactly buddies with Iran, also don't quite see them as ENEMY #1 THREAT TO THE WORLD

t. REEEEE LEAVE IRAN ALONE

Don't like the EU and wish we had no ties to them at all. Wish our only connections were, at most, on our own land mass like it's meant to be.

>>77522935
>enabling hate speech
There's no such thing as hate speech, anon.

>>77523690
And yet with American distrust on the part of the EU at an all time high, you still haven't tried to build one.

The only countries with respectable armies are France and Britain (who doesn't count). I'd count Poland but 2% GDP of one of the lowest ranked EU countries does not amount to much

>>77522935
drop the proxy, Ivan.
America is still a much more reliable than the totalitarian police state called russia. not to mention russia has nothing valuable except oil and gas, and even those can be bough from the US or some arab country.
vast majority if russians dream about invading and annexing europe. also most russians are absolutely sure that eastern europe is rightfully russian.
russia would constantly pressure and try to dominate whole europe if it gets closer with russia. and without america's political, diplomatic and military help europe won't be able to oppose russia for too old.
so backstabbing america would be the biggest mistake europe can do. don't fall for that cheap russian propaganda

>>77522935
nah, we can always count on perfidious albion to fuck it up for the EU, regardless which side they initially side with. in the end they're going to trust us much more than continentals, if anything because we're so far away

>>77523037
heh like they even need allies

>>77524316
>And yet with American distrust on the part of the EU at an all time high, you still haven't tried to build one.
because we don't feel threatened. I know many Americans believe we live in fear of Russia and would be overrun by them as soon as nato is dissolved, but this is simply not the reality

>>77522935
Good riddance. Just remember, we have nukes, and we're highly idealistic and religious.
Always remember that.

>>77523176
The only thing stopping us from WW3 is USA, Russia and nukes. Strongest set the rules.

>>77524411
Sounds like Islam

>>77524131
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/business/gmo-promise-falls-short.html

>>77524407
Well. The Baltics and Finland ARE terrified, but that's mostly due to their government's intense brainwashing that caused this. It almost borders on certified paranoia.

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>>77524411
we have nukes too and we are led by a literal god, what now fgt

>>77524488
>The Baltics and Finland ARE terrified
gee, wonder where that paranoia stems from

>>77524497
You are also need to be a number one in millitary power.

>>77524457
'cept we gots dem nukes
>>77524497
Divinity vs Insanity sounds like fun

>>77524488
I don't think Finland is really terrified.
They have half a century of experience dealing with Russia/Soviet Union, and they made a lot of money by trading between east and west.
If they were tarrified, they would have hardly decided to stay out of NATO

>>77524550
they stayed out precisely because they were terrified of russian retaliation. you think they stayed neutral out of love for ivan?

>>77524327
>vast majority if russians dream about invading and annexing europe. also most russians are absolutely sure that eastern europe is rightfully russian.
drop YOUR proxy Mykola

>>77524407
Supposing this were true, why does the EU always screech the moment it seems as if the US might have closer relations with Russia?

>>77524631
it doesn't
EU in fact would welcome if Russia and USA got along

>>77524584
So Finland stayed out of nato because they are terrified of Russia, and Baltic countries joined nato because they are terrified of Russia?

>>77524539
Islam has nukes too (Pakistan)

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>>77524327
well I used to be idealisitc. I thought maybe one day russia would become free and more liberal and we would have free trade with europe. but thats not happening in my lifetime. so now yes I give up lets just invade europe

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>>77524058

t. red collaborationist scum.

The White Justice of the Fatherland shall strike you down, rat.

>>77524733
Iran has nukes too. They probably aren't the intercontinental kind though. Pakistan probably doesn't have them either, especially since their only real enemy is India.

>>77524327
I like Russia. But sayin that Europe would not last long agains it... huge overstatement, like big time, mayor liege.

Europe has no cohesion whatsoever. Everybody likes it like that and it wont change unles something big happens.

Protip: wont happen

>>77524750
He's right though, I don't consider you guys an ally, just a responsibility.

Build your own fucking army so none of my children ever have to fight and die for you.

>>77524711
>and Baltic countries joined nato because they are terrified of Russia?
yes, terrified of ever rejoining russia in a USSR 2.0. apparently they would rather risk nuclear hellfire than be reoccupied satellites

>>77524796
They are dying for the Jews you dumb fuck

>>77524796
no one on /int/'s ever having children, fucking kek

>>77524058
>>77524750
You don't have to kill NATO, although there would be nothing wrong with it supposing you had your shit together.
I don't care what you do with Russia, but being friendly with China is 100% a mistake. If you thought you had Eastern European countries had democratic problems, you have not even seen China.

They're a powder keg waiting to blow with hardliner communists fighting anarchocapitalist oligarchs, and they don't have the moral hangups that we do which would prevent them from taking advantage of you in every way that you let them.

>>77524885
one less "ally" to die for is better than nothing. I said my children to imply the future you brainlet

>>77524891
Why should we care if China is democratic or not?
We are traiding with them, their domestic issues are their own business

>>77524920
The future will still be dying for Israel

What do EU countries have to do with invading middle eastern countries and sub saharan Africa?

Open your eyes

>>77524550
This. These American led sanctions have hurt our already ailing economy.

>>77524936
Friendly relations implies more than trading. You'll have travel agreements, information sharing, military obligations (this one's the worst), and most importantly, you will have to answer to your own people as to why you support them once they inevitably commit an atrocity.

>>77524796
>>77524920
so far, america is the only country that has triggered article 5 of nato.
So it was our children dying for you, and not the other way around

>>77524978
thanks for clearing that up nostradamus

>>77524978
shit, putin's right. maybe it's time for us to pack up our bags and get outta there

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>>77524796
>Build your own fucking army so none of my children ever have to fight and die for you.

If they're retarded enough to join the army...

There's a saying in Hungary: aki kurvának áll, ne sírjon ha basszák, which roughly translates to - if you decide to become a prostitute, don't cry when you're being fucked.
ie: you brought this on yourselves.

>>77524766
I doubt Iran has nukes. They didn't even use chemical weapons during the war with Iraq, even though Iraq did use them on them. Maybe I'm naive. As for Pakistan
>Maximum missile range 2,750 km

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>>77524986
We will certanly not have any military obligations with China. Our countries are too far away and we don't have the ability to project power into each others neighbourhood, so a military alliance would be moot.

>you will have to answer to your own people as to why you support them once they inevitably commit an atrocity.
we have this problem with every ally, USA included

Are Russian diaspora the worst?

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>>77525073
whatever do you mean tovarich

>>77525056
You make Guantanamo sound like a gulag.
Do you really think a Chinese atrocity would even resemble an American ``atrocity''? Torture aside, those Guantanamo guys even get health care.

How did Israel manage to get such a vice on the US?

>>77522935
Do whatever it takes for America to recognize it has to get its shit together.

>>77525139
with jews you lose. especially russian jews

>>77524796
> Die for you.
> IMPRAYIN

Waito PiGU died for Europe now?
Sure. Why not?
Jamal summer is strok in u.

>>77522935
Yes, I'm ready.

>>77522935
>EU ready to retaliate
Eu who? Poland? Because we don't buy their apples anymore?

>>77523912
Socialists never win, remember that

>>77525073
I don't think theres a sizeable amount. you underestmiate the power of retards online worshipping russia for meme reasons

>>77525119
>``atrocity''
are you implying that kidnapping people, keeping them arrested without a trial, denying them lawyers contact to family, torturing them are not real atrocities?

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>>77522935
I'm ready lads

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>>77524796
Americans dying during Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, Afghanistan, Africa were all for Europeans?

Ahahahah some of my fellow American posters are so fucking stupid
I also say this as someone who is actually in the Army

>>77523999
So is Swastika though.
Nazi just made people this much butthurt about it.

Don't Germans have a registry of frobidden symbols?

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>>77525119
>torture aside, those Guantanamo guys even get health care.

Is that what you call feeding them through their anus?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/cia-report-rectal-feeding-detainees

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>>77525184
tbf he's a literal rothschild banker and as capitalist as it gets

>>77524891
>they don't have the moral hangups
They don't have the moral prerequisites for expansion either. Basically their mid-upper upper class just minding their own business trading with west etc, while the low class is too egocentric to care about what's happening in the neighboring quarter. Their society is not burdened with obligations to play the role of "world police" or "to protect their compatriots" abroad.

>>77525240
>my children are going to be born in the past
Yes, everybody wishes they could be as intelligent as the cannon fodder

>>77525213
>>77525073
Care to refuse his arguments then?

>>77525289
We haven't died for Europeans in fucking decades.. why do you think it's going to change?

>>77525184
>macron
>socialist
nigga is cutting spending like nobodies busines
he'll also get to worker protection too
he's true right wing economically

>>77525240
tangentially yea. it was all a check to encircle russia and alleviate pressure for europe to be the main corridor in a WWIII scenario while they were still commies.

>>77525306
im saying that a lot of people who seem like russian diaspora are really just deluded westerners looking to russia as a beacon of hope

>>77525352
Because change is the only thing you can guarantee in life you stupid brainlet

>>77525215
The people sent to Guantanamo are non-US Citizens, and are suspected (you can't actually confirm terrorists) to be enemy combatants flying without a flag. The Geneva and Hague conventions don't apply to these people, so treating them as if they were citizens of any country would be nonsense.
It might be an atrocity, but everything is put on a scale. Nobody, except Obama, has really complained enough for us to make the cost of detaining these people high enough to stop.

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>>77524488

We are terrified? Why did no one tell me about this?

>>77525215
This is what literally happened to prisoners in Guantanamo daily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42oucm_lj50

>>77525410
so then don't act as if USA was good and China evil.
Also, whatever bad things China might do, they are not nearly as bad as your best ally Saudi Arabia

>>77525389
Yea might be, but the german anon actually puts some decent arguments forward while you and the brit just slur some shit towards him, instead debating

>>77525486
I was speaking in general, ididnt know the germ was being to referred to in his post as he didnt quote anyone

>>77525470
Are you a China apologist? I don't think you're following what I'm saying. Atrocities are not equal. The US coalition in the middle east even goes out of their way to avoid non-combatants in air strikes and has strict rules of engagement at all times.

Do you expect this level of care from China? If you were to put the US on a scale with China, and compared their level of morality, who would overwhelmingly outweigh the other?

>>77525412
Sorry Finland, but you are, along with all other Nordic and Baltic countries.

You can notice it while almost everynody talks about Russia planes sights, you can hear this type of stuff on the tram, bus, mall, pubs, even in the media.

>>77525555
just give it up. to foreigners we'll always be the baddies. we;re gonna kill them with our googles and starbucks n shiet

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China doesn't even remotely give a fuck about their own citizens. Can you imagine them in a war?

>>77525470
Also, I don't even know what the fuck is up with the Saudis. I'm pretty sure the only reason we're allied with them is so that they don't start bankrolling terrorism, even though everyone knows that they do anyways.

>>77525555
nice get,
point out whatever crimes China is committing, it will help the point you're trying to get across

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Russia is a EU colony.

If americans hurt russia too much, this colony would stop being profitable

pure logic

>>77525555
You didn't adress the point that your country is allied with Saudia Arabia, a country 100 times worse than China
You have a military alliance with an islamic monarchy that is literally isis tier, and then you bitch at EU having economic relations with China

>>77525601
fuck, when can we call in an airstrike on los angeles

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>>77525580

I see. Thanks for the heads up, now I can act accordingly and be truly terrified.

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>>77525689
That isn't an air strike.

>>77525486
Mentioning Guantanamo apropos of nothing is not an argument, and the relentless obsession with morally equivalising the US is a propaganda tactic you only see (to this degree) from parties looking to curry favour with other NATO states. If you don't want to be called names then don't fit the mold.

>>77525677
Don't forget that they're literally financing Salafist imams in Europe and partially responsible for all the terror attacks in Europe.

You know what they said to Slovakia when the refugee crisis happened? They said they'd give them money to build a mosque.

>>77525607
not really, the reason the US is with them is because they are your regional power
the royal family, who you have on your side, is however not in full control and the religious authorities and individual act independent of it
If US went away those against the royals may remove them as they've tried in the past and then you'd see a real militaristic caliphate rise with the fire power of an international player.
The royals are playing a dangerous act of s
trying to slowly fix the country on a (relatively) more secular path while still adhering to goatfucker rules and keeping their heads attached.

>>77525724
But you are. You are aware of it, don't you?

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>Europeans think they can think for themselves

>>77525741
Oh i forgot the usa were saints, sorry
I am a putinbot now, i didnt know, thanks for the info

>>77525828
>a burger saying this. kek

don't think I've ever read a logical post from a yank

To be honest, I find it kinda strange that many Americans think they are doing us a "favour" by beeing in nato.
It is a military alliance and both sides profit from it. If you don't want it, then leave. But then don't be suprize if you wont have the same influence in Europe anymore

>>77525834
>I am a putinbot now
you are not exactly a putinbot (probably) but you are obviously that russian immigrant who keeps shilling for russia even though you left this shithole as fast as you could ;^)

>>77525953
ungrateful cunts. west germany was a mistake

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>>77525616
You can talk to anyone who does business in mainland China. A general lack of morality and empathy is pervasive amongst the ruling and working class.

Would a moral country with enormous soft power through trade kick and scream when another country deploys defensive measures against the rogue state that they propped up?
Would they kick and scream at their trading partners over maritime space?
Would they violently annex their neighboring nations and claim they never existed?
Would they kill a man by running him over with a tank instead of blasting him with a firehose, beating him up, and throwing him in jail like everyone else does?

You need to face facts--Everything China does is extreme to the nth degree, to a level of belligerence only seen in the Middle East.
Even Russia is not this bad.

>>77525979
implying you didnt love the concept of a bufferstate against USSR

>>77525979
we went to afghanistan to honor our alliance and "defend" america. who is ungrateful here?

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>>77525953
>To be honest, I find it kinda strange that many Americans think they are doing us a "favour" by beeing in nato.
>NATO was literally created to protect european countries

>>77526118
>NATO was literally created to protect and project american interest

ftfy

>>77526016
yeah, we should have just let europe go red all the way. i mean we still have our nukes pointed at each other today even though the cold war's over, might as well just have had it officially go on while europe could have been soviet shitholes. less sweat off our backs

>>77526180
I don't think europeans like it when you refer to them as that but yes

Why can't western shits just leave us the fuck alone? Seriously. Does it you hurt your pride so much that Russia is the only country that Europe never conquered? Just fuck off already.

>>77526118
>NATO was literally created to protect european countries
And in return, european countries became american vassal states. If you feel this arrangement is not benefiting you anymore, you are free to leave dissolve nato anytime

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>>77526209
we will conquer you

>>77526210
>you are free to leave dissolve nato anytime
if it were up to me we would, but I don't have that kind of power

Isn't Trump pretty much admitting he's an illegitimate president if he approves these sanctions?

>>77526209
Speak for yourself. I'd be glad if russia joined the EU even if it means russia totally loses sovereignty (if anything it would be great even).

>>77526255
t-that looks sexy as fuck... i don't mind that at all!

>>77526283
Is that what the news told you?

The sanctions are for Ukraine and Syria

>>77526255
I wish.

>>77526309
desu most of me wants this but the tiny byldo in me says no

>>77525813

Wait, are you serious?

>>77526335
No, from what I heard the sanctions are for Russia getting involved in the American elections.

>>77526363
Where did you hear that

How comes Russia gets demonized by American media, but Saudi Arabia gets ignored? They are million times worse than Russia. At least Putin doesn't go around stoning women and ban them from driving.

>>77526255
Next time Europe will be glassed, Hans.

>>77526335
Didn't we already sanction them for that?
Why double dip?
From what I read, it was looking like Trump might even veto the sanction, but even if he did, they seemed pretty confident about overturning that veto.

Do people really think the EU without American help could defend themselves against Russia?

>>77526443
Europe is your ancestral homeland, Russia kun.

>>77526309
You can leave anytime you want, pidorashka.

>>77526460
Only UK and France will stand in Russia's way.

If Russia loses, they will make sure everyone comes down with them.

>>77526485
Are you legit retarded?

>>77526418
I'm not really sure. I have zero trust in the American media. I'm thinking that the Saudis probably have some percentage of ownership amongst all of the major news corporations.

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What a clusterfuck.

I have only one question: why is everyone ITT mindlessly pushing their particular media bubble version of this?

>>77526486
accept our burgers ivan

>>77526523
Russian stupidity at its finest.

>>77526460
EU couldn't even 'defend' itself from Lybia on its own. Without USA you euroshits wouldn't be able to 'defend' yourselves past Minsk.

>>77526578
I know that Australians are not that smart even by anglo standards, but still.

>>77524891
Stop acting like the USA has morals.
Your government uses terrorists as proxies to get rid of governments you don't like. You don't have the moral high grounds, you just have good PR provided by the globalist fake news media complex.

>>77526620
We wuz not Europeans. We wuz Genghis Khan's son.

>>77526542
because we are not russian intelligenzija

>>77526632
Supposing we didn't have morals, destabilizing countries that don't play ball would be the least of your worries. I don't think Russia really cares if we did whatever we wanted outside of their sphere of influence.

>>77526788
you seriously believe your morals are holding you back?
nobody would follow you if you only acted out of pure self interest.
that's the reason why america is losing allies quickly with its new president

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>>77526788
You seem to care though

>>77526864
>america is losing allies quickly
Lol. All american sockpuppets are as tame as ever. Germany included.

>>77526864
What allies have we lost

>>77526865
black sea is one of their spheres of influence (through nato countries like turkey, bulgaria and romania). and if russia literally steals and annexes a huge piece of land right in their sphere of influence of course it does bother them.

>>77526864
the only ally they almost lost were philippines and it was under obama

>>77526865
We're apparently obligated to generally act as world police and stop national borders from changing.

Everyone is talking here like russia is a very important country. The russians in this thread are only happy about that. You please their propaganda that says that we are important even though we are not. And you please eu propaganda that russia is a threat to the humanity even though it isn't.
Stop writing anything to the this thread and go and discuss anime in other threads. This thread is cancer.

>>77526958
You lost a lot of influence in EU

>>77526864
It's less about who will let us and more about who will stop us?
Do you really think that a combined coalition of the rest of the world (minus Russia and China) could stop the US from doing whatever it wants? We are a net exporter. We could feed the entire world three times over. Our country is large enough to be home to almost any kind of raw material there is, and if we don't have it, we could just take it.
Could anybody really stop us?

>>77527065
What influence did we have to begin with? What allies have we lost?

>>77527053
Russia is poor, but that doesn't mean Russia is not important.
Russia has tremendous amounts of natural resources, plus it has the second strongest military in the world.

>>77527093
Our influence in the EU dropped dramatically when Britain brexited, but that has nothing to do with anything we did.
Any loss in diplomatic power attributed to Trump is nothing compared to Brexit.

>>77527092
You couldn't even win in Vietnam or Afghanistan.
So while the rest of the world maybe couldn't invade USA, we would be easily able to slap your shit whenever you send your troops into foreign countries

>>77527168
Vietnam was a resounding victory. I don't know who taught you history, but Americans left Vietnam after hippies convinced Congress that Vietnam was a meaningless war. A week or two longer and North Vietnam would have surrendered. The moment we left, North Vietnam invaded and the fall of Saigon happened.
Who told you that we lost Afghanistan? As far as I can tell, they are now ``allies'' and we achieved what we wanted.

You don't have anywhere near comparable logistics. We could disable your navigational systems on command. You can't stop us from crumbling your cities, starving your people, and destroying your dams.

>>77527065
>You lost a lot of influence in EU
Europeans now suck american dick with less vigor?

>>77527130
I think it was inevitable, the biggest binder was USSR as the common enemy, diminished Russia can't fill those boots.
In the grand scale Europe was growing skeptical all the way back from Bush.

>>77527107
>the second strongest military in the world.
I am really happy to know that you think so, however it is absolutely not true. And you don't even have idea how not true it is. Just remember the losses in ww2. How much people did you loose? 7 milion or so. And you were fighting almost against all world. How much did we lost? 20 million or so. And we were only fighting with you.

>>77527251
>Vietnam was a resounding victory
Which can only be compared to the glorious victory that Finland achieved in the Winter War.

It's bound to happen as we shift into a multipolar world. The days of America dictating to the Western world whatever we want are basic over. I personally hope for a more federalized EU that can act as an entirely independent block complete with a pan EU army. Hopefully TTIP goes straight into the trash too.

>>77527331
>complete with a pan EU army
kek the UK will love that. whatever, maybe it's for the best for us to not give a shit anymore

>>77527304
>you
>you
lol that is not a german you idiot. it's that russian immigrant again

>>77523909
The German economy is overly reliant on exports making it much more fragile than it seems.

>>77526520
Pretty much and they're losing the UK soon.

I'm not actually sure Russia could destroy everyone if they did start nuking. They have enough nukes certainly I just wonder about sending them all simultaneously. Since, when they send one they're going to get a load back and probably end up unable to launch any more.

>>77527361
It's the sole reason I voted to leave.

>>77527420
Nukes apparently have prep and launch time in the range of tens of minutes. Global delivery is estimated at 30 minutes.

>>77527331
>we shift into a multipolar world
it won't happen and you know that. the world is still unipolar and it will remain this way for at least half a century. america has too much influence if all kinds to let something like "multipolar world" happen

>>77527500
we can already see the shifts happening already, and at an extremely rapid pace. seems a little absurd now but every five years it will seem less and less so

>>77527420
>I'm not actually sure Russia could destroy everyone if they did start nuking.
West will get nuked 2 times over.

>>77527500
It will shift. In fact it's already well under way. The US will still be the premier power for a long time but it will be one among several. Too many countries can stand on their own two feet and can assert their interests which just didn't happen as often post ww2. China in particular and india and others offer an alternative order that anyone can look to and it gets more viable and cemented in by the day. It's not just America or Russia anymore.

>>77527251
>Vietnam was a resounding victory. I don't know who taught you history, but Americans left Vietnam after hippies convinced Congress that Vietnam was a meaningless war. A week or two longer and North Vietnam would have surrendered. The moment we left, North Vietnam invaded and the fall of Saigon happened.
Sounds to me like you lost

>You don't have anywhere near comparable logistics.
We don't have it because we dont need it. If USA suddenly starts acting like a bad boy, you can bet your ass we and other countries are gonna build up our militiaries and invest into nukes

>>77527256
EU flatout refuses to participate in Americas sanctions

>>77527304
>I am really happy to know that you think so, however it is absolutely not true.
The first site i came up with after goolging

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

>>77527677
A GPS system costs in the area of a billion dollars a year. Everything you have currently developed relies on ours. How many years would it take for you to launch enough satellites to replace ours? Do you think we can't shoot them down? Will you ever be able to shoot down ours?
There's a big difference between a military that exists and a military that does not yet exist, no matter how big its potential can be.

If the US suddenly starts acting like a bad boy, you are beyond poorly equipped to deal with it.

>>77525306
*refute

>>77527710
>Meanwhile, on parallel Earth

>>77527782
>A GPS system costs in the area of a billion dollars a year. Everything you have currently developed relies on ours. How many years would it take for you to launch enough satellites to replace ours?
We already have that, and so does every other major country.
Here is the European one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

Here the Russian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS

>Do you think we can't shoot them down? Will you ever be able to shoot down ours?
Yes and yes. There is no way to prevent a satellite from beeing shot down

>If the US suddenly starts acting like a bad boy, you are beyond poorly equipped to deal with it.
If USA became Hitler overnight, whole world would unite against you. If you use nukes, you gonna get nuked back

>>77527746

>globalfirepower.com

Are you serious? You clearly don't know anything about military if that's your source.

>>77528104
You have no spaceplanes. You have no equipment with which to shoot down a satellite.
Using a ballistic missile to shoot down a satellite is retarded and would be confused for an ICBM.
First of all, Germany does not have nukes. We placed nukes in Germany for you to use.
France and Britain has nukes of their own. Not many. India has some too--I think they're ours.
That's pretty much it, amongst people who have nukes of their own.

You would use GLONASS? Are you insane? That would almost be worse than using ours in that situation.
Suppose this Galileo thing worked. Why do all of your planes and missiles run on GPS?

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>>77528208
>muh army

>>77528290
>You have no spaceplanes. You have no equipment with which to shoot down a satellite.
If you can put a sattelite in orbit, you can shoot one down. Literally the same thing.

>Suppose this Galileo thing worked. Why do all of your planes and missiles run on GPS?
They dont

>>77528429
I already said that if you used a ballistic missile to shoot down a satellite, you would be confused for an ICBM and then consequently nuked.
>they don't
That's a lot of shit pulled out of your ass when it was Britain who prevented you all from using Galileo in your weapons

>>77528332

>lets compare raw numbers and forget such crucial factors as operating enviroment, doctrines, main tasks and the whole reason(s) why a nation has a military

>>77528558
>I already said that if you used a ballistic missile to shoot down a satellite, you would be confused for an ICBM and then consequently nuked.
same would happen if you shoot down our sattelites

>>77527746

>globalfirepower.com

May as well use thenorthkoreanbiglistofnationsweakerthenDPRK.com as a source

>>77528648
We have planes that can touch the edge of the atmosphere and launch missiles at satellites.
So does Russia, probably.
In the EU, sekret squirrel projects don't really exist, so you certainly don't have any spaceplanes that can mount weapons.

>>77528625
>>77528653
On a scale from 1 to 10, how butthurt are you?

>>77527092
Your currency is air, literally. You don't have the reserves or anything, nor food.
Oh, and, No.. is not just minus China and Rusia.

You just have WAR.

>>77528728
Your cartel infested government couldn't stop us either. In fact, I'm pretty sure they would more than oblige if we gave your government to them.

>>77524373
if so, why do they not disband the nato?

>>77528959
>>77524373
Did you miss the point of the warmongering?
Morals are the only thing stopping us from doing whatever we want.
It's also easier to use territory that doesn't technically belong to us to defend ourselves.
That technique was invented by the Roman Empire.
When territory that isn't your own gets decimated, you don't have anywhere near the level of involvement you would have if it were your own. Not your people, not your money. Of course, you'll give some to show that you care, but in the end it's cheaper.

NATO is cheaper. Of course, it would also be better and easier if we didn't have to go through loops to access your resources and influence your decisions, but again. Morals.
You ought to be happy we bother to go through those loops.

>>77528718
Lmao how dumb are you

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>>77522935
http://archive.is/77Pmy

Archive

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>>77524027
>the Germans kept delaying and refusing to pay their fair share.
How typical.

Then again there are very few countries in Europe who actually live up to their obligations (the UK being one of them, thanks for actually contributing to European stability). Everyone is a freeloader when it comes to defense.

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>>77527304

>>77525240
>what is containment theory
>Ahahahah some of my fellow American posters are so fucking stupid

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good
pissing on yanks is my favourite hobby

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>>77530209
I typed out a whole paragraph in response to this image but I realized it's not worth it.

If you're going to post images like this you probably don't know what you're talking about.

>>77530295
What are the point of these images? Who has the most shit?

In an actual war there are so many fucking factors..

>>77526210
>And in return, european countries became american vassal states
Ah yes, the vassal state that has the power to refuse to join us in Iraq.

Fuck off retard. Your hyperbole is fit for a woman.

>>77530287
Wow I didn't I was dealing with a professional military expert pardon me

>>77530209
That table doesn't really explain much though. For example, Russia has 1 Aircraft Carrier, but we know that it's a pile of shit and will probably sink before we ever get into a war. Same with their tanks, a lot are old shit although now they are getting new ones.

How do you think the world second most powerful military fucked up so hard invading Georgia?

>>77530333
I know. All your military stuff and technology didn't stop you from losing to a bunch of rice farmers. Raw numbers mean shit

>>77530269
Yes America did all those imperialistic wars because of Europe. And Europe doesn't even pay for their own defense, it's the American tax payer that does. For being a supposed superpower US seems to exist to serve Europeans. Feels good to be on top of the world.

>>77530366
t. Mohammed Pendleton-Khan, unarmed bobby

>>77530366
>How do you think the world second most powerful military fucked up so hard invading Georgia?
Did it?

>>77522935
Eastern European idiot.

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>>77530396
>Feels good to be on top of the world.
Yes, I hope we pull the rug out from under you.
It's sad that the generation that appreciated our efforts to shove communism and nazism back are your grandparents, who are all dead or dying.

All that's left are ungrateful children of your generation and your parents' generation. This arrangement isn't particularly worth it, although it used to be.

>>77530447
Yes it did.

>>77530474
Ok if you say so

EU should just cut all the ties they have with US. They aren't our friends as this thread and Americans posting it have demonstrated. We need to build up our own defense.

>>77529129
>It's also easier to use territory that doesn't technically belong to us to defend ourselves. That technique was invented by the Roman Empire.
Very true analogy. And Trump apparently is going to be the Theodosius of US ;^)

>>77530506
>We need to build up our own defense.
As if you leech faggots will ever agree how to pay for it >>77530188

There's a reason why the NATO relationship is breaking down and it's entirely on the European side. Sort your own incompetence out.

>>77530472
>Yes, I hope we pull the rug out from under you

But you won't. Now hush and join the army, Europe needs more brainless cannon fodder to die in our wars.

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>>77530388
I know you're just shit posting but Vietnam was decades ago.. and the entire US military is built with the doctrine of fighting another world power. This is way Gulf War 1 and Desert Storm/Shield were so one sided. Our entire military is trained and equipped to fight uniformed forces, not insurgencies.

>>77530498
Well I'm glad that's settled and you'll never post that table ever again.

>>77530558
>But you won't.
Judging from this thread, and /int/ in general, it's in the US's best interests to let Europe die.

>>77530472
shut up and serve your master

>>77530551
Fuck off bitchboy, NATO doesn't work because America isn't a friend of Europe. Fuck NATO.

It's quite sad to see that our European friends cannot actually engage in discussion, and can only instead insult and act like children.

>>77530639
>isn't a friend of NATO
>pays a highly disproportionate amount of money into NATO
At least try to be educated about the subjects you comment on, Russian shill

>>77530472
Take your whining and shove it in your fat face. Americans NEVER wanted to get involved in foreign shit around the world but we're dragged in by politicians and the banks anyways and now cuckolds like you defend the very bullshit internationalism that fucked us over.

>>77530596
>Judging from this thread, and /int/ in general, it's in the US's best interests to let Europe die.

But haven't we demonstrated that America does everything for European interests. And you will continue to do so, feels good doesn't it?

>>77530665
not everybody can be as mature as americans

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>>77530596
Did you just shart yourself?

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>>77530639
>Finland

Your country is our bitch. You buy all of our shit, and house all of our shit free of charge

>>77523037
>Friendly reminder that the only real allies you have on the planet are the EU countries
Europeans have never been true American allies
Ever.

Don't you ever think you lot will be

>>77530673
NATO != Europe bitchboi. NATO is a vehicle for American imperialism and sooner European nations realize this the better. Of course US pays disproportionate amount of money to NATO because it is in American interests to do so.

America isn't a friend of Europe.

>>77530673
>isn't a friend of NATO
He said America isn't a friend of Europe, learn to read fatass

>>77530752
we are literally the only people in the world who dont hate you

>>77530498
Even the russians admitted they did. Thats why they wanted to modernize so badly.

>>77530798
Australia loves us

They've been fully committed to every single oil war ever, and they buy all our shit.

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>>77530798

>>77530732
>Your country is our bitch. You buy all of our shit, and house all of our shit free of charge

But I thought we Europeans are freeloaders who gleefully live in our generous welfare states only because of thankless sacrifices of American peoples? Now we are bitches? Try to make up your mind.

>>77530843
Nobody loves us they just tolerate us. Australia is already gradually shifting to China but it can't happen fast enough.

>>77530798
After the Middle East and Russia, I think the people in the EU are the ones who dislike the US the most. Even in South America the US is more well-liked, despite actually having bad experiences with them in the past.

>>77530907
>Every American poster is the same person

>>77530843
Australians are your fellow anglos. Besides, there are only 20 millions of them.
But the rest of the world pretty much hates you, because all of your imperialistic games.
Countries like Japan or Korea only follow you because they need your protection.
But if, for example, Yellowstone errupted tomorrow, and all of American power was gone, I am pretty sure Europeans would be the only ones who would grant your people asylum.
Because despite all the critique, we actually do like you, despite not really needing to rely on you

>>77530957
>I am pretty sure Europeans would be the only ones who would grant your people asylum

Fuck no to fat rapefugees.

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>>77530957
Then why do you make these posts? I just want to get along

>>77530957
>Australians are your fellow anglos
>Fellow anglos
>Anglos
Idiot

>>77531002
most of it is banter
but i do get triggered sometimes when americans act as usa defends europe out of pure altruism

>>77531025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglosphere

>>77528332
Sweden :D

>>77530940
So which are we? Bitches? Or insidious political masterminds who freeload on poor poor Americans?

>>77531102
Neither

You're just stupid fucking Finns that server as nothing more than a buffer for Russia and a place for us to house equipment

>>77530567
LMAO!!

>>77524411
>>77524497
yes just bomb the shit out fo each other

nuke the chinese too

nothing would be better than the entire world just nuking each other to shit and leaving us alone

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>>77531100
>German-Americans are America's largest single ethnic group (if you divide Hispanics into Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, etc).
>In 2013, according to the Census bureau, 46m Americans claimed German ancestry: more than the number who traced their roots to Ireland (33m) or England (25m)

>>77531226
you are not german by culture
here in germany, wenn we say anglo-saxons, we mean americans, brits, canadians, australia and NZ

>>77531334
>you are not german by culture
And we aren't Anglo either
America has no culture bud

>>77531334
americans are incapable of separating culture from race, don't bother

>>77525240
>Ahahahah some of my fellow American posters are so fucking stupid
>I also say this as someone who is actually in the Army

Go recharge some trithium sights

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>>77531472
Who are you to say what Americans are capable of?
Can't you tell what is shitposting? Or are you just so inept that you cannot see the blatantly obvious?

>>77531540
>Recharging isotopes
Dumbass to the max

>>77531598
with americans, it is always hard to say if they are shitposting of if they really are that dumb

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>>77531658
Imagine being so unaware you cannot differentiate between someone mocking another person by acting stupid, and someone who is actually stupid

>>77531598
> Calls people dumb
> falls for meme

How many chromosomes do you have?

>>77523967
The Iron Cross is not illegal for the same reason the "Deutschland über alles" song is not illegal, it was created long before the Nazis when Germany did not even exist yet as a state and has nothing to do with Nazi ideology.

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>>77531724
i just see your flag and automatically expect stupid behaviour
how should i know you were merely pretending?

>>77526597
He's right you know. We had to emergency airlift guided and unguided munitions to European nations because they didnt even have enough ordnance to suppress a small nation like libya.

God help them if they ever have to fight an actual nation.

>>77527304
Russia lost 10 million soldiers, a lot of them died in POW camps.
80% of the fatal casualties of Germany were on the east, on the west they surrendered en masse but not nearly as many deaths
True casualty rate after 1942 was 1:1.5 in favor of Germany. Still impressive but it's not meme numbers. Wiki counts every small injury as a casualty for the Soviets

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>>77531826
>how should i know you were merely pretending?
By being intelligent enough to see it

>>77528104
lol Galileo still doesnt fucking work. Its just as bad a clusterfuck as GLONASS. The world actually uses GPS for a reason dipshit, its the only system that has reliable coverage.

>>77523971
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_GmbH

It's technically 'European', as the Airbus firm (an EU firm) owns the most shares, but BAE (a British firm) owns the second most shares, so it's more British than German.

>>77523037
>Allies
Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Canada, and the UK are our best allies. The rest of you are kind of freeloaders that we benefit from economically.

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>>77531806
>Deutschlandlied is not illegal
Isn't the first verse illegal?

>>77531458
Most of America has no culture as the common American has been so muddied with the genes of lesser (non-Anglo-Celtic) races (Irish people aren't Celts, too); however, the WASP elite still retain some semblance of British culture.

>>77532056
No shit Galileo doesn't "still" work because it's supposed to be operational in 2020.

>>77532124
I fucking hate you yanks... but I hate Euros more so I'll help you kill them.

>>77532243
And that's why we're friends you limey bastard.

>>77532173
No. It's a popular misconception that it is illegal because the Nazis used it but it's actually protected under German law and you can sing it if you want.

Since the meaning of "Deutschland über alles" is not that Germany is better than other nations but that the creation of Germany was the most important thing it just means you don't know shit about history if you think that stanza is banworthy.

>>77532227
Its been 12 years man....How long does it take? Especially since there isnt any major research and development that needs to be done. All the technology is well known now, and has been open to the world since the 90's... You just need to build and launch the satellites.

>>77525240
We literally got involved in Vietnam in the first place to help the French

>>77527677
>Sounds to me like you lost
The Paris peace accords restored North and South Vietnam to their prewar borders. This peace lasted from multiple years until the north invaded again in a war that's didn't involve the US

>>77532439
Oh man, once again the insidious Europeans forced innocent and good Americans into morally bad situation. If only worlds strongest superpower had the ability to say no to vile Europeans.

>>77532506
flawless victory

>>77532521
Its a curse upon us...We should have never got involved in the first world war either.. Strict neutrality for us would have made the world a better place.

>>77532439
no, you guys got involved as part of your containment strategy against communism. Don't use the French as an excuse.

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>>77522935
>enabling hate speech
Oh look, it's THAT poster again

>>77530447
>couldn't even gain air superiority
Kek

пpoлeтapиaт

>>77532633
>Accomplished all the goals it wanted
The same cannot be said for most American wars

>>77532341
Neat

>>77532215
Ah yes please tell me more about how WASP's seek to emulate your wonderful culture of chavs and genocidal nobility
They were akin to Victorian Britain but that's been said and done for well over a century now, they're not nearly as """British""" as you morons would like to think

>>77530388
That "US lost the Vietnam war" meme needs to die. USA retreated because the war was losing support at home (counterculture, hippie movement) etc. The US could've easily flattened Vietnam 10 times over and still be home for Christmas. Also, k/d ration was like 20:1

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>>77533120
The Vietnam war was far more complex than what either you or the Kraut made it out to be and really shows that foreigners don't know shit about the US or the war itself

>>77533398
LMAO

>>77533120
it's not a meme, wars are won by objectives. the USA failed in their objective to contain communism from spreading over Vietnam. the North Vietnamese won because their objective was successful, unify the country under a communist regime.

>>77533120
>They didn't win the war and I have the inflated unsourced kd ratio to prove it
It's not team deathmatch retard

>>77533517
>the USA failed in their objective
>Implying there was an objective in the first place

>>77524891
>and they don't have the moral hangups that we do which would prevent them
This.

>>77533684
so you mean the US military got involved in a war where lives were lost and money was spent for no real purpose but just to kill poor Vietnamese people?

get over it dude, you don't have to win every fucking time. you guys tried to contain communism as part of a broad strategy against the soviets. the US wanted a western friendly country in South East Asia over a communist rival. Political pressure made you guys pull out, if you guys committed to the war you would have likely won but the political price was too high.

the Communists succeeded in unifying the country, expelling the French and the Americans and establishing a communist regime. they won, get over it.

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>>77533907
A
FUCKING
LEAF