Why do Finns hate Russians? They liberated them from Swedish

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1741%E2%80%9343)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_during_the_Great_Northern_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Finland

>>77491955
After the victory in Battle of Storkyro, Mikhail Golitsyn was appointed the governor of Finland. Finns began waging partisan warfare against the Russians. As retaliation, the Finnish peasants were forced to pay large contributions to the occupying Russians (as was the custom in that time). Plundering was widespread, especially in Ostrobothnia and in communities near the major roads. Churches were looted, Isokyrö was burned to the ground. A scorched earth zone several hundred kilometers wide was burned to hinder Swedish counteroffensives. At least 5,000 Finns were killed and some 10,000 taken away as slaves, of whom only a few thousand would ever return;[5] According to newer research the amount of those killed is closer to 20,000.[6] Thousands, especially officials, also fled to the (relative) safety of Sweden. The poorer peasants hid in the woods to avoid the ravages of the occupiers and their press-gangs.[7] Atrocities were at their worst between 1714–17 when the infamous Swedish Count Gustaf Otto Douglas, who had defected to the Russian side during the war, was in charge of the occupation.

>>77491955
>Russians want total control like Swedes did
>"""""""Russification"""""""
Your history has obviously been written by Swedes.

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>>77491878
#notallfinns

>>77492052
It was to oppress the finnish nationalist and to make Finland into fully cuka blyad country
We were already Finns back then with our national identy in the 20th century. Not swedes

>no longer we're swedes, russians we don't want to become so lets be finns

but i don't blame you for not knowing our history

Finns didn't hate Russians between 1820s and 1890s.
Russification policies made Finns hate Russian rule.

>>77491878
Russians attacked here many times during hundreds of years even took Finns as slaves

This developed "ryssäviha", "hatred for Russkies"


In Late 1800's, early 1900's Russification attemptsand WWII there was war again

But Finns liked some Tsars and death of Nikolai II was a shock, he was still respected

Nowadays many Finns don't hate Russians

Still a thing, but not that common as even in previous decaded

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>>77492001
>Atrocities were at their worst between 1714–17 when the infamous Swedish Count Gustaf Otto Douglas, who had defected to the Russian side during the war, was in charge of the occupation.

>>77492001
>Finns began waging partisan warfare against the Russians.
Whoa, who'd guess it'd cause retaliation. Maybe you shouldn't have killed Russians? You were granted autonomy after all.

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>>77491878
enslav
finns

>>77492582
>Maybe you shouldn't have killed Russians
Finnish partisan cucks are to blame for this, as Russians avenged their actions on the civilian population.

Russians were good to finns after the finnish war by allowing state institutions to be created with autonomy and most importantly allowed finnish culture to flourish by supporting finnish language. The hatred comes when the emperor betrayed the deal between Finland and Russia by trying to take those things away with russification process.

Still better than Swedes tho.

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>>77492185
Wrong, Fennomania only flourished after Russia liberated you. Under Sweden any such uprising would've been swiftly quenched. If it wasn't oppression when Swedes did it (enforce their language and customs on you), why was it then?
>>77492001
That page neglects to mention that said Finns were few and led by Swedes, your typical Finnish peasant could not have cared less about Swedes getting purged.

>>77492571
>(enforce their language and customs on you)
Like the way they made mandatory that every priest has to speak Finnish and make the service in Finnish? That was in the 15th century

>Fennomania only flourished after Russia liberated you.
It was because it was the thing in 19th century. It didn't really exists before that.

>any such uprising would've been swiftly quenched.
That would've happened if the WW1 didn't started

>>77492582
You targeted for civilians for that. How Russian

>>77492571
Yes Russian leaders first allowed "Finn movements" because they wanted us to become more separate from Swedes

In the late 1800's Finns already much stronger had a national identity

However better conditions that Finns had in their Grand Duchy raised hatred among Russians

The Russian leaders decided to remove our status as our own nation "the Finns"

This made Finns angry

And there had been older stuff too>>77492354

But yes Russia has done good too, the image of Eastern enemy has just been stronger

>>77492707
>Wrong, Fennomania only flourished after Russia liberated you
>>77492802

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they are gay :DDDDD

ai rabu jo suomi :3 please come back

>>77492582
>granted autonomy
That was later?

>>77491878
It's only because of Stalin just like the rest of Balts. So naturally it mustn't have anything to do with Russians.

>>77492940
yeah right, history before the winter war never happened

>>77492968
Finland wasn't more opressed than any other part of the Empire. They actually had their own money, laws and were pretty autonomous.

>>77492742
>Like the way they made mandatory that every priest has to speak Finnish and make the service in Finnish
That was one of the principles of Lutheranism that Swedes adopted, it wasn't a gesture of good will or anything of that sort, you're just brainwashed. Finnish speakers had no rights beyond that in universities or elsewhere, in order to progress at all in society you had to learn Swedish. Russians only wanted the same but with Russian, yet nobody speaks of "Swedification".
>It was because it was the thing in 19th century
Swedes genocided their Finnish population in the centuries following your annexation to Russia, very telling of what you future would've been without Russian liberation.
>That would've happened if the WW1 didn't started
I was talking about Fennomania now, not your attempt at independence.

>>77493027
This tbqh, until Russification attempts

>>77492968
You can't blame Russians for something you yourself caused by forcing Finns to fight Russians, which led to them avenging their actions on the civilian population. Swedish imperialists tried to selfishly advance their own interests and the Finns paid the price.

>>77493027
There's more history than that.
Russian occupation has been nothing more than raping, killing and slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_during_the_Great_Northern_War
Do you think think it's just a recent thing?

Seems like we helped Russia, when they invaded Finland.

Sorry, Finland.

>>77493194
How is Sweden relevant to the winter war?

>>77493276
Really? Did you make this video for nothing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1MNQk3DECI

>>77493290
I'm talking about the Finnish war, when Russians liberated Finns.

>>77493290
he's talking about occupations and shit before we lost österland

>>77493218
Just like any war.
>Peter I
Nah. He was a russophobe and he killed more people than Stalin, banned Russian clothes and lots of other stuff.

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>>77491878
No one really hates Russians. Just little worried about their intentions. And that's just normal

Nevertheless I think among all of the EU countries we have the best relations with Russia.
Putin is coming next week here - we have annual vists

>>77493325
that war was in no way our fault
fucking Napoonpan

>>77493424
don't you hate them over karelia and other lost territories?

>>77493717
that was s*viet union, not russia

>>77493717
Russia has raped it so hard it's not worth it
http://varlamov.ru/2330550.html
This is a report about 2 border towns few kilometers apart. Which is Finland which one is Russia you decide

>>77493767
sure... but why doesn't russia just return their unlawful territory?

>>77493815
because it's a shithole beyond repair

>>77493795
>>77493717
Actually this is better
Some towns
http://varlamov.ru/2333501.html

>>77491878
MUHH SWEDISH OPPRESSION

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>ITT: Foreigners arguing with Finns about Finnish history

But it is true, Russia has always been an enemy of Finland ever since there were east-slavs in Russia. Earliest wars can be traced back into 10-11th century with Novgorod
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish–Novgorodian_wars
>The Russians and Yem had frequent conflicts from the 11th or 12th century onwards
"Yem" is an early Russian name for a Finnish tribe they fougt against a lot. Most likely it was the Tavastian tribe.

The point is, that Finlabd has always fought against Russia; during pagan times, under Swedish rule, and when independed. Sure we got autonomity during thr 19th century, and didnt try to supress cultural development, but in the end, it is us who share 1300 km of landborder with them, so naturally almost everytime Sweden fought against them, it was on Finnish soil, by Finnish men

Not to say Sweden would have been any better

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>>77493325
>I'm talking about the Finnish war, when Russians liberated Finns.

epic revisionism mate, just like columbus liberated the indians from their savagery xD

>>77492707
>(enforce their language
They didn't. Finland had 70-90 percent literacy rates in the 17th century. Do you think everyone speaking Swedish and then we just dropped it 1808?

>customs
Like what? Christianity?

>>77494492
this fuck finns
there's no such thing as civilian finn

>>77494492
>Not to say Sweden would have been any better
it was and would have been desu

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People forget that Sweden and """Finland""" were the same kingdom for 800 years, Finland was well integrated part of the kingdom and not some colony or a province. It was just the eastern part of the common kingdom.

>>77493059
Hello Ivan.

Russians wanted a totally Russian speaking population. And the language required in University of Turku was Latin, btw.

Russians killed all the Finns in Russia too.

Naturally Finnish speakers owning their own lands was superior to the Russians system where Finno-Ugric speakers were slaves.

Russians forced Russian language upon the parliament but Swedes provided translators for those Finns participating in riksdags in Stockholm. Swedish Empire system resembles EU where you basically have to speak English in order to function in the EU parliament,

Russian system was a disgusting world of oppression.

can you stop making these threads? like, its not even funny?

>>77493325
The saddest part about 1808-1809 was that the Swedes refused to send troops to stop the Russian hordes. We paid taxes for 700 years to Stockholm and were good boys and when we needed to stop thieves and rapists they send nothing.

>>77495104
that was because we had to fend off the danes?
i agree that maybe we could have done more but i don't know anything about this

>>77493424
I really do hate them though.

Putin visit is a joke. Putin gets great meals and opera but when we visit Kremlin they make us wait in some fucking basement and serve rotten meat to our president. Putin and every last Russian should fuck off.

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>>77494492
>yfw those wars just a plot to divide finnic groups not to have a 2nd finnic empire
Divide and conquer. Oldest tricks there is

>>77493767
Same thing. And why don't they return it empty then if they are different?

>>77495155
England offered help.

>>77495160
>but when we visit Kremlin they make us wait in some fucking basement and serve rotten meat to our president.
Wtf are you talking about? He doesn't stay at the basement or eat rotten meat. Our tax moneys pays him and his staff to have hotels and real food :D

I don't really care much about the president system since he doesn't much power anyway

>>77495331
I mean Sale gets that treatment in Kreml and Putin is fucking pampered here with our tax money.

>>77494936

Why would I ever want to live in Russia? Pretty much all the russian people I've met during my entire life have been incredibly rude, violent and dumb.
I'd rather hang myself than live around such subhumans. Why you're even allowed on the board is beyond me, I seriously wish I'd never have to have anything to do with you, your shitty alphabets or your pigshit poor slav country.
There's nothing exotic or cool about a country full of thieves, assholes, corruption and poverty. Fucking bomb yourselves.

>>77493424
Putin looks way more Finnish than the sperg on the left

>>77495478
How would you know what a Finn looks like.

>>77495430
Well Putin isn't like Xi. For 4 days the whole Helsinki airspace and Helsinki traffic was fucked up due to his visit here

He's even more paranoid than Putin

http://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000005155004.html

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>>77495518
Ive seen 4 here in my town. That was a weird experience, to be honest.
Then ive seen many faces from finland on the internet, the yellow haired pale ones.
Dont get offended, but the piggy eyes are a trait i noticed.

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>>77495478
>niinistö
>sperg

>>77495557
But Xi is a leader of a great country and there's lots of business opportunities in China. I'd fucking suck his cock if he wanted. He would just need to say the word and I would ask spit or swallow.

Russia and its leader are shit.

>>77495631
Sure.

>>77495646
Now the lion looks like a sperg

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>>77495646
He might be on the spectrum

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>>77495782
He's not sperg he's the opposite of that. That's why he's a politicians and the president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_eyyFetlLQ

>>77491878
all russian neighbors should hate them
aggressive foreign policies, war mongering
shitty tourists

>>77495869
>>77495782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnGL8160itI
>>77495831
He's a differnt burger

>>77495869
Im not saying anything against the mans achievements in life or his abilities to lead a nation or his political skills.
Im just saying his face makes me thing he is a sperg, nothing more.
Especially his widening of eyes and wide smile, the snake eyes...