DINDU NUFFIN!!!1!

>>77484405
>worshipping the man who ruined your country for years and killed millions of your kind
Why are Russians such cucks when it comes to dictators

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Stalin was based

>fucked up grain hoarders
>turned Russia into a superpower
>Murdered criminals
>Didn't flee the capital when the enemy was 16km away from it
>didn't surrender to Hitler

Name one thing Stalin did wrong

Read as:
>old population in russia triples as young population decreases in 3 times

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>>77484405
>>77484453
Tbf if it's between Hitler and Stalin I'd prefer Slav's choose Stalin.

>>77484489
>Murdered criminals
then why didn't he killed himself?

>>77484489
>inb4 "MUH 100 GORILLION"

>>77484489
>purged his own army leadership so they couldn't even invade finland

>>77484453
Their country never really had a democratic government, so "stronk paternalist leaders" are the only they know and want.

>>77484530
>still seized a massive part of the land

Russia has had shit leadership since as far as they can remember.

>>77484521
Because he wasn't a criminal
>>77484530
Yes, the purge wasn't a very good idea but the USSR still achieved its goals in the WInter War.

>>77484530
muh winter war
lost the clay we tried to defend

>>77484453

>RT news

what do you think? only brainwashed fuckheads read that.

>>77484546
>Their country never really had a democratic government
There has never been a country with a democratic government

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>>77484559
>a fucking forest

>>77484453
They're Asians not white.

>>77484586
You are right 2bh. Finland is pretty big so it's not a big chunk

>>77484453
Fuck off you filthy capitalist(and might be imperialist as well)

Yeah it's sort of stupid but it's not like stupid Russians liking Stalin is any worse than say stupid Brits liking Churchill

It doesn't really mean they would approve of him in this day and age

>>77484582
t. "one Russia" on-line activist

>>77484405
But did he make the trains run on time?

>>77484677
You sure proved me wrong

>>77484697
>Trains on time
It was mussolini

>>77484670
>it's not like stupid Russians liking Stalin is any worse than say stupid Brits liking Churchill
It's the exact opposite.
Churchill saved the UK from an authoritarian
regime.
Stalin maintained an authoritarian regime.

What Russia is today is the result of the retarded shit you guys did in the last 100 years.

>>77484697
Idk why but I remembered an old joke:
"The old jew is sitting right right next to a sink and reading a newspaper. Suddenly water starts running from the faucet. He immediately shouts with horror: -Sara, Stalin is back!"

>>77484736
Even today the Russian leaders don't do enough to end the corruption in Russia, which is the main thing that keeps you from developing.

>>77484887
>people still believe in corruption meme after china's success

>>77484926
We are the biggest investors in the world. After Cyprus and Luxembourg the Netherlands is the biggest investor in Russia.

And Dutch companies are afraid to invest in Russia, because they do not believe their investments are safe in Russia.'

That's also why many Russian companies, like yandex and gazprom, have branches in the Netherlands. Because they cannot attract investments if they fall under Russian jurisdiction.

>>77484502
>slavic neo-nazis
Can anybody help me understand how such a thing is possible?

There is literally nothing wrong with Communism

>>77485039
They just don't want to pay taxes. Moreover gazprom is putin's company and he is a holland boo. Even his daughter married a hollander

>>77484453
>killed millions of your kind
[citation needed]

>>77485125
Are you fucking kidding?

>>77485102
It's not just about taxes. It's the whole Russian investment climate. You cannot do business in Russia. The government will give you every problem you can imagine. And if they don't do it then the mafia will.

>>77485172
Why they didn't choose country like finland then? What the point to pretend that netherlands is not a part of a tax sandwich like Cyprus and Ireland

>>77485238
Because we do business with you. Gazprom does business with Shell (largest private oil company), Vitol (largest energy trader) and our banks for investments. Our laws do not know American tier punishments or Russian confiscations.

>>77485400
What is there in Finland?

>>77485063
They don't know a shit about history

Fuckin untermenschenes.

>>77485125
wew, have the "proofs" meme gone too far?

>>77485420
Pretty much the same but higher taxes. Moreover you don't have to register an entire company there. You can just open a branch and use it to work with holland companies
>>77485453
They believe in everything hitler believed but it's they who are ubermenschen

>>77485125
>Russian education

>>77485238
Most tax benefits in the Netherlands only apply to IT companies and such. That's why we have so many of them.

But one fairly unique thing about our taxes is that you can transfer money between holding and daughter companies without being taxed. Which makes it very attractive to put your holding company in the Netherlands. So you can funnel your money between multiple companies.

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>>77484405
All men of consequence DIDU SUMTHIN
But maturity is realizing this and making peace with it.

In the grand scheme of things Stalin will be remembered as a hero, because he was.

>>77485483
>They believe in everything hitler believed

Then why don't they kill themselves?

>>77485125
+15

>>77485125
What, don't you know?
Stalin paid the clouds not to rain in Ukraine. It was all a part of his devious plot.

>>77485494
And the Netherlands has the most tax treaties in the world. So you can operate internationally knowing you won't be taxed twice.

>>77485501
>because he was

What were those heroic deeds Stalin did?

>>77485522
because they are not illiterate like some english teachers in korea.
>>77485580
That's why I said everyone chooses you because of taxes

>>77485568
that's probably the most retarded excuse I ever seen.

>>77485593
Defended the east against Nazi agression
Made the USSR into a superpower
Successfully neutralized every coup attempt against the will of the Soviet peoples

>>77485602
But it's not the entire story. American companies don't settle in New York because New York is the most financially attractive place.

Because Delaware is more tax friendly than New York.
They also settle in New York because that's where the money is.

And they don't settle in Russia because Russia costs money.

>>77485655
Well, unfortunately everything costs money

>>77485611
and yet it's still not as stupid as calling a famine genocide

>>77485684
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8s0egftsc

>>77485640
>Defended the east against Nazi agression

Molotov-Ribbentrop

>Made the USSR into a superpower

Only because everyone else was too decimated by the war. Not his achievment.

>Successfully neutralized every coup attempt against the will of the Soviet peoples

The Soviet people didn't want to get dragged off in the middle of the night because of Stalin's paranoia and imaginary fight against saboteurs.

>>77485695
whatever you say commieboo.

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>>77485695
Most countries don't recognise it as such

>>77485773
You sound butthurt.
The USSR wasn't decimated after the war? Maybe not *as* decimated as other countries, yes. Because Stalin WON.

>>77485838
they lost huge chunk of working age male population, whole infrastructure west of Moscow destroyed, with few major cities totally ravaged

>>77485838
>Because Stalin WON

His generals won in spite of him.

>>77484582
Switzerland bro

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Good.

>77485899
You're right. It was Stalin's fault Hitler invaded.

The less russians the better.

>>77485778
Why?

>>77484489
This

Stalin was one of the worlds greatest leaders and the current system is just butthurt about him because he showed the world you don't need to be capitalistic to be a global superpower

Can't wait to nuke these cunts

>>77485695
>Stooped ukranianz farm wheat
>Stalin steps in: "Yeah I'm taking everything you have to trade it internationally and buy tanks n sheit"
>Starts worldwide economic depression due to massive amounts of cheap wheat
>Ukranian farmers and populace starve to death
>Millions of people worldwide suffer from the depression
>Fast forward 80 years
>Stupid nipposters argue "We wuz heroes n sheiit stalin dindu nuffink mane"

Really startles my pistachios

>>77484453
He got rid of Jews. Things in Russia would have been a million times worse had he not.

>>77488350
>got rid of the jews
I can't help but wonder how come the KGB and politburo were mostly run by the chosen people if stalin got rid of them

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>>77484582
really made me think

>>77484453
Half of country wrote complaints on their neighbors which lead them to GULAG, russies liked this feature

>>77489019
alri tim

>>77486245
Because it wasn't.

>>77487880
Because to be labelled as such, a genocide needs:
> classification: the ethnic/religious enemy as clearly distinct from the perpetrators' group
> intent: the explicit intent to wipe out the enemy
> preparation: the perpetrator must coordinate the efforts to annihilate the enemy
The Holodomor affected many Soviet regions like Ukraine, Kazakhstan and the Volga. Soviets never singled out the Ukrainians as a distinct target group, and they never agreed to destroy the Ukrainians for political reasons. The idea behind the requisitions was that cities would be fed from the countryside, nothing to do with religious or national minorities.

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Stalin was a bad g-

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Mannerheim was the biggest mass murder here and still people like him.
I'm not even a leftists just trying to be objective. He didn't just execute gommies, most were just innocent people that were forced working for the red guard. There wasn't much choice

Could've just executed the leaders of the rebellion, but had to go all way

>>77485773
>Molotov-Ribbentrop
Reminder that the USSR was the last country in Europe to sign a non aggression treaty with Germany.

Reminder that Stalin was ready to send a million troops into Germany after the annexation of Czechoslovakia, but France and Germany told him no.

>>77491424
kill yourself ivan

>>77491530
I don't have nothing against him. But he did kill many innocent people.
There wasn't much choice than to do what you're being told. It's not most of them were any commies, just stupid peasants forced fight. You know how the commies are? Making others do the dirty work

Or are you in favor of execution of innocents? Then you're no better than commies

He was a good guy like Hitler but Jews n\made them seem bad.

>>77491288
what a load of bullshit

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>>77485125

>>77491483
>Stalin was ready to send a million troops into Germany after the annexation of Czechoslovakia

He literally wasn't. If he were ready, he wouldn't be caught with his pants down in the Russian offensive

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>>77491686
>He was a good guy like Hitler but Jews n\made them seem bad.
t. Limonov

>>77485151
>>77485471
>>77485487
>>77485541
>>77485568
>>77491730
He's probably a non-Russian so true.

>>77484453
Before Stalin - backwards agricultural shithole
After Stalin - Superpower with nuclear weapons

>ruined the country

>>77491754
You are comparing apples and oranges.
Diplomatic circumstances of Germany's invasion into SU were unique and had literally no precedents before that, so Hitler was able to catch SU with pants down, before mobilization was complete.

If Putin doesn't push USSR as a bad guy, illiterate people would eventually die and all good. Fuck him, he's worse than ISIS now.

>>77492086
>USSR as a bad guy
a good guy I mean

>>77491890
It was still a shithole

>>77491992
>before mobilization was complete

Are you saying Stalin could've mobilized in 1938/9 but couldn't in 1941?

>>77491890
So you believe communism and government making choices for you is better than free markets?

Did I discover a rare 2010s commie?

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>he doesnt like Stalin

Kek, Stalin literally did nothing to develop the country, he destroyed farmership so our cattle numbers halved and milk production never get back to pre WWI level. He also killed about 39 mln people because WWII + collectivization + GULAG. And yes, he let Hitler in power when he prevented Socialst + some other parties black against Nazis.

>>77492204
Whats your point?
Stalin didnt create the USSR.

>>77492153
Stalin had a country to industrialize and he diverted resources to that goal after the M-R pact. He anticipated a German attack but not so soon and at the time the Soviets were also busy putting down nationalist uprisings in Ukraine.

>slavs liking a georgian
never understood that

>>77492279
What's yours?

I think I was clear enough for a smart guy. My point is that under free markets Russia would have been stronger, but hey, at least Stalin never run out of champagne.

Stalin was absolutely based though

>>77492312
>Stalin had a country to industrialize
I think the best way for USA right now to bring back manufacturing is to switch to Stalin type Communism. Trump can play Stalin. Communism yields the best results absolutely.

>>77492153
Perhaps, but definitely an improved shithole.
>>77492204
For Russia at that point? Yes. An attempt to introduce manchester-capitalism in a backwards country that just abolished serfdom would have ended in a disaster much worse.

>>77492350
>under free markets Russia would have been stronger,
Lol. Nice meme thinking. Do you have any evidence?
It wouldnt have been half as strong. Certainly not in time for WWII. Stalin industrialized the shit out of the country and secured victory.

>>77492427
>An attempt to introduce manchester-capitalism in a backwards country that just abolished serfdom
Worked just fine in the rest of eastern europe
t. other finn

>>77492444
Stalin killed more russians than the germans did. Was it worth it?
t. other finn

>>77492511
>Stalin killed more russians than the germans did.
lie

>>77492444
> Do you have any evidence?
Switch back to communism then. By all means.

>>77492427
>For Russia at that point? Yes. An attempt to introduce manchester-capitalism in a backwards country that just abolished serfdom would have ended in a disaster much worse.
I think it was something like 60 years before that and of course some grand duchies never had it to begin with but that's beyond the point.

You believe in communism and I believe in free markets. You're a communist and I'm not. It's okay to disagree.

>>77492153
That's why I was talking about diplomatic circumstances. Compare the situations:
>Hitler makes it very clear through diplomacy that he wants Czechoslovakia, using German minorities and their treatment as a pretence
>takes it bit by bit while being enabled by the Br*ts
>even poland has enough time to bite off a chunk
And in 41
>has a non-aggression pact with SU
>keeps complete diplomatic silence for several months
>no aggression, no provocations, no statements about the potential pretences that can be used as war goals
>starts pulling army to Soviet border, doesn't respond when asked what the fuck he is doing
>SU starts mobilizing, but mobilization is a slow and arduous process (that even grand strategy games skip for some reason), it's especially difficult when you have to pull divisions from Siberia, Kazakhstan and fucking Mongolia
>still expect provocation because no one simply declares war out of the blue with no diplomatic reasoning whatsoever
Look into the ways Hitler declared war on Poland and your country for example - there were clear diplomatic reasons and provocations in both cases, Winter War started similarly - the talks with Finns about potential transfer of land were going for around a year before it started and a provocation arty bombing was used as a pretence to start it.
>even though it's clear by this point that the war is inevitable the soviet forces are told to resist provocations for aforementioned reasons - hoping to buy a little more time to complete mobilisation
>soviet spies are fed false information about potential invasion dates from both Germany and Japan
>invasion happens

Real world diplomacy is a bit more complicated than videogames.

>>77492444
people didn't even will to fight for USSR. When germans invaded, our soldiers just switched sides because they hated Stalin because there was no family not robbed or their relatives murdered by Stalin.

>>77492511
>Stalin killed more russians than the germans did
No way of telling if thats true.
But yes. Sure it was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osqSuZBVjUs

>>77492599
>switched sides
>still won
Bullshit

>>77492597
>provocation arty bombing was used as a pretence to start it.
Not sure what you're trying to say here but that was you bombing Finland.

>the talks with Finns about potential transfer of land
There was no reason to switch land. Of course I know one Finn equals ten Russians but there was still no threat from Finland.

>>77492703
I was talking about diplomatic pretences, not making statements about them being true or false. When a country declares war on other country it generally tries to make it seem somewhat justified.

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>>77492630
Great argument there, Sven.

>>77492766
Ok, just checking.

>>77492605
So it doesn't matter if it was true or not? It was still worth it?
What?

>>77492630
>"fuck stalin he killed 2 billion people!!!1"
>can you back that up?
>"le poofs xd dumb russians, everyone knows that"

>>77492593
>Switch back to communism then. By all means.
Why? Are you planning an invasion?
>>77492882
>What?
What are you so confused about? Either way Stalin killed a lot of people.

>>77492597
Yeah, Hitler taking Czechoslovakia, Poland and fucking France was no indication at all that he might be trying to go further even though he said slavs are subhumans to be eradicated.

>>77492956
>Why?
Because you think it's superior to free markets. The logical choice is to change to Communism. Then again you're supporting Communism already so no need to even state this.

>>77493038
>muhh free markets
All I was saying is that Communism was able to modernise the USSR and develop the military much faster than a free market could at the time. Doesnt mean I love communism

Typical commie self-defence. When all numbers are official, most documents are declassified and people know that Stalin did massacre people for no reason and people did die in WWII en masse just because he executed most professional officers, they bring up some shit that someone exaggerated numbers of victims. True that that they were just everal millions, not tens of millions. Doesn't make any difference, he was like a dead tsunami. I really hate that slave mentality, hope this country will crumble so we have at least some small republic with normal Russian life without czars and commies. I sincerely wish you all to read more.

>>77492985
>might be trying
is not a good enough reason to mobilize the army and keep it this way for an indefinite amount of time before Hitler decides to invade.

"Mobilization" is when the reservists are called back into the army, factories are switched to military production and so on, it's not possible to just keep a country in this state all the time just in case.
Also the mobilization itself can be used as a valid diplomatic pretence for a declaration of war - see WW1. It's not like no one will notice your mobilization.
By the time of invasion though German army was fully mobilized due to previous and ongoing wars.

>>77493188
And I was saying the opposite because Communism is inferior to free markets as has been proven many times.

Nazis wouldn't have even attacked if you didn't have Communism, btw. Hitler saw that as an evidence of Russian needing German rulers.

nothing new here

>>77493245
Well in the case we're talking about free markets wouldnt have been suffiecient.
>>>77493245
>Nazis wouldn't have even attacked if you didn't have Communism, btw. Hitler saw that as an evidence of Russian needing German rulers.
Yeah thats utter bullshit you pulled out of your ass. Im sure it's also why he invaded Poland. Hitler wanted to rule Europe outright and make "aryan" lebensbraum out of Eastern Europe while culling the natives

>>77493206
What self-defense? I just said he killed millions of people.
And I said it was worth it. You're an idiot

>>77493431
In what way killing your own countrymen in millions without a reason is worth it?
I'll never understand Russians

>English teacher is a commie

>>77493385
>Yeah thats utter bullshit you pulled out of your ass. Im sure it's also why he invaded Poland. Hitler wanted to rule Europe outright and make "aryan" lebensbraum out of Eastern Europe while culling the natives
>Here Fate itself seems desirous of giving us a sign. By handing P ussia to Bolshevism, it robbed the Russian nation of that intelligentsia which previously brought about and guaranteed its existence as a state. For the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race. Numerous mighty empires on earth have been created in this way. Lower nations led by Germanic organizers and overlords have more than once grown to be mighty state formations and have endured as long as the racial nudeus of the creative state race maintained itself. For centuries Russia drew nourishment from this Germanic nucleus of its upper leading strata. Today it can be regarded as almost totally exterminated and extinguished. It has been replaced by the Jew. Impossible as it is for the Russian by himself to shake off the yoke of the Jew by his own resources, it is equally impossible for the Jew to maintain the mighty empire forever. He himself is no element of organization, but a ferment of decomposition. The Persian I empire in the east is ripe for collapse. And the end of Jewish rule in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state. We have been chosen by Fate as witnesses of a catastrophe which will be the mightiest confirmation of the soundness of the folkish theory.
This is what Hitler believed.
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch14.html

>Well in the case we're talking about free markets wouldnt have been suffiecient.
Free markets always yield better results. Stalin lived years after WW2 and still continued being Communist. Communist are poorer than free market nations.

>>77493222
Maybe you shouldn't have helped Hitler destroy all those countries between him and you then.

stalin was pretty cool, killed a lot commies so the rest of the world didn't have to deal with them

I respect him. He is my role model.

>>77492511
How fucking retarded people should be to say shit like that? Do you think that ussr had modern china tier number of citizens back then?

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>>77494177

Cry cry ruskie,
bye bye ruskie

>>77494177
Why don't you go to a gulag that's what you like, right?

>>77493828
Maybe those countries shouldn't have refused all cooperation with us when we tried to help them? Signing a non-aggression with Hitler was literally the last resort after we were told to fuck off by everyone else (including you and poland). But I guess that's still somehow our fault.

>>77494520
>with us when we tried to help them
Well afterwards we've seen what Russian "help" leads to

>>77494520
>But I guess that's still somehow our fault
Ah yes the eternal Russian victim complex. You're worse than niggers at that
>we dindu nuffin

>>77494670
I don't mind when people blame Russia for things we actually did, but when they make their own decisions and still blame it on us it becomes fucking old. The butthurt belt are the only niggers here
>if it wasn't for ebil Russkies we'd be like switzerland and shieeeet!
>we wuz central/nordic yurop homie!

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>>77492204
>government
>communism

>>77494520
>tried to help them

Setting up socialist republics does not count as helping. Nor does slaughtering all the army officers or starving the population.

>>77494876
Moscow was the world center of spreading communism and communism is to blame for most of Eastern Europe's problems.

>>77494876
I just hate it when Russians think they had nothing to do with the WW2, they're just the victims, like always.
Doesn't the WW2 begin in Russian history books when Germany attacks there? Nothing about the offensive wars USSR commited before that

I guess most Russians don't even know that.

Stalin is the only good communist because he didnt actually care about communism and just used it as an excuse to become a brutal dictator. All other communists are faggots.

>>77494954
Indeed, but signing a few mutual defence treaties might have. Then we wouldn't need to run our entire military through your countries to scrub the Germans off the countryside.

>>77494998
It begins with aftermath of WW1 and the result treaty of Versailles/Trianon had on the losing countries, failure of Veimar republic and general creation of the historical conditions for WW2, including battles of Khalkin-Ghol, invasion of Finland and so on.
I don't know why I'm seriously trying to explain things to people on 4chan who are just looking to be butthurt at someone.

>>77495273
I'm not butthurt that shit was over 70 years ago.

I just hate when people are overly biased about their history. I know we're not innocent neither, we attacked to Russia first with Germany

It was mostly a offensive war from us since we crossed the old borders and had concentration camps for slavs

>>77484559
>Finland is still independent

That's the sweetest victory right there.

>>77484581
mmmmmm

show me what info-sources non-brainwashed clear minds absorbclear minds
would be very interesteing to see

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>>77492204
>(((""""free"""" markets)))

>>77492204
you're late, pekka

monetarism today is walking zombie already.
you'll see more and more gov involvement in next years
idea is changing again

>>77484453
cause this is what YOU think about him

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>>77492204
>Free markets

>>77491288
>communism
>economic growth
LOL

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>>77484405

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>>77485063
mutual history

>Stalin, Communism, Eastern Front, Soviet Union brought up
>Letmetellyouaboutyourcountry.jpeg

why do westerner shits fucking assume they know or can understand the russian historical perspective? we fucking invaded them to overthrow communism and we certainly don't have an unbiased image of their history.

stalin was probably shitty for lots of reasons but there's not many leaders who are just good leaders and nothing else.

>>77500522
>why do people hate a genocidal mass-murdering incompetent
>don't judge until you've walked a mile in their shoes

I'm not giving the benefit of the doubt to one of history's greatest monsters, sorry

>>77499836
>I have no argument so I'm just going to spout memes

>>77491727
stop being wrong

>>77492246
>a video for training eye contact.gif

>>77500522
>muh moral relativism
Fuck off, Stalin was scum.

>>77500522

t. Sergei Nikolayevich Ivanov

>>77484926
That's why we won't invest there, too many payoffs for it to be worth.

>>77485684
In Russia, yes.