/IRA/+/STAN/ ''Behold the sons of Timur'' edition

ey raqib, her!

>>77266942
Shouldnt you be concerned about greece,iki?

>>77266942
Turks are not invited get out.
no one wants Turkey, not even you by the looks of it

>>77266930
Reza, do women have more rib bones than men do?

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get iraq out of your filthy map you kurd piece of shit

>>77266884
Why are Turk's not invited? They have much more in common with you then le Caucasus shits

>>77266993
no.

>>77267053
autistic kemalists or pan-turanists, just as annoying as Arabs

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>>77266989
>muh secrit club

>>77267064
Hmmmm

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Taking away my post. Fuck you Ikibey.

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is this accurate ?

>>77267118
I'm neither a Kemalist nor a Turanist
I am Seljukist
Am i invited?

>>77267477
sure, just don't be autistic like him>>77267307

>>77267476
No.

>>77267509
he's not Turkish
he's Laz (Georgian)

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>>77266989
>Turks are not invited get out.
no one wants Turkey, not even you by the looks of it

Invited:
>Azeris
>Kazakhs
>Uzbeks
>Turkmens
>Kyrghz
>Uyghurs


LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLA8-R1FjWA

>>77267607
explains a lot.

>>77267617
turks as in turkish ctitizens of the Republic of Turkey

>football fans represent the entire population.

>>77267659
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7cZ91RvKs

:-DD

köpoğlu

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>>77267789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL08uN2AESM

>>77267833
Bu ses Sultan Savalan'ın, Sehendimin sesidir
Bu ses, milyon milyon Türk'ün varlığının sesidir.

>>77267789
>>77267833
>>77267871
I don't get it

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have you ever heard the tale of Ahmad Shah Massoud?

>>77268623
it's an azeri song about azeri nationalism
azeris don't call themselves "azeri". they call themselves turks.

>>77268664
IT'S NOT A TALE THE JUICE WOULD TELL YOU

>>77268664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-e3fzPM7Qw

>>77268750
It's not a story the Taliban or Hekmatyar would tell you

>>77269101
I respect the guy alot especially for his anti soviet resistance but it gets really controversial during the civil war period. Its actually really confusing, afghans have differing opinions on different leaders/warlords.

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>>77269937
he was based. Moderate islamism. In his lands women had rights, he banned force marriages, there was order, why do you think the Taliban didn't grow in the North
Now the other warlords are corrupt and brutal; so the Taliban grow in the north

He cucked Hekmatyar. Here's an actual convo between them
Massoud:''Do not enter Kabul alone, it is important to enter when we already agreed on a coalition government''
Hakmatyar: ''We won, I shall enter Kabul with the sword''
Massoud:''than i shall defend the people.''

He airliften 2000 soldiers to go and save Herat from a Taliban attack.
He broke 2 sieges of Kabul.

it took billions of Saudi money, the full support of the Pakistani army, and thousand of foreign fighters, to make him leave Kabul.

>>77270081
you aren't invited fuck off

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>>77270566
he wanted free elections and peace.
peace is all he wanted. He refused to take part in the elections backing other people, accepting any demend Hekmatyar made

he accepted the position of ''ministry of defense'' so he can serve the people. He was among the few who disciplined his people.

a journalist once saw him discipline his soldiers, after they commited a crime.
he said he tries to disperse as much justice as he can ''the others i miss i leave to God'

he even went to negotiate with the Taliban offering them peace if they lay down their weapons and accept free elections.
they refused

the taliban guy he met was executed afterwards by the talibans, he had orders to kill Massoud but he didn't do it.

>>77270713
This entire General is stupid. Map that OP posted is literally just something pulled out of a Cyrus the great spankbank.

>>77270566
>>77270699

He was smart, spoke 4 languages, Pashto, Dari, Urdu, French. He studied at the French university. He studied engineering.

a western journalist said he could also read English very well..

and he was woke. He called out the Saudi support for the Taliban.
he called Wahhabism ''a cancerous disease''

But he also called out the '''''''''''''''secularists''''''''''''', he knew Mubarak, Assad...etc where sending their extremists to Afghanistan in hopes they'll die there.

in august 2001 he warned the West that attacks are being planned by Al-Qaeda in Taliban safe-heavens.
he called them out on abandoning Afghanistan after he removed the commies.

he called out the ''''''''secular''''''' Pakistani president supporting extremists.

he was the definition of based. rip

>>77270713
THAT ISN'T IRAN YOU RETARD

IT'S THE MAP OF THE TIMURID EMPIRE. I USE IT BECAUSE IT'S THE FEW EMPIRES THAT COVORED MOST OF THE PEOPLE INVITED IN THIS THREAD

I'LL CHANGE IT NEXT TIME AND REPLACE IT WITH ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE YOU TURKSHITS

>>77270914
Hmm
Why don't you just ban Lazes from the general

>>77270566
>>77270699
>>77270848
Yea, this is pretty much why i have alot of respect for him but when u speak to alot of afghans they have positive views on massoud but more negative views on his men or corrupt northern alliance warlords or some shit. I came to this realisation when i found out that hekmatyar has alot of supporters from even members of my panjshiri family, who i thought were pro massoud since he led the predominately panjshiri fighters. The underlying afghan politics are really a clusterfuck which im still trying to understand.

>>77268664
My uncle attended to him at the Indian army base where he was brought after the attack on his life.

>>77271415
He wanted peace so he invited everyone in his ''islamic coalition'' even corrupt bastards if that meant peace.

Hekmatyar fired on Kabul, something Massoud refused. he chose to abandon the city, to the taliban, rather then fighting in civilian areas
But he resisted in the North.
Hakmatyar fled like a coward to his Pakistani masters, refusing to help against the Taliban.

>>77271939
REALLY!?!?

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>>77267617
If you dont like this guy, you are not turkic

>>77268664
Another islamist

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/16/world/middleeast/iran-rouhani-brother-arrest-united-states-nuclear.html
>PhD student in one of the best universities in the world
>Avid historian
>Fluent in Farsi
>Come to Iran for your doctoral thesis
>Get arrested for spying
>sentenced to 10 years in prison
I don't want to hate on Iran but that's a huge dick move

>>77272071
Yeah he was in the Indian army. We don't keep in touch with him though. Meet him once every year or so for some family function. My dad told me about the Massoud story.

>>77272184
He seems almost secular if you compare him with the Taliban

>>77272133
Why should i like a random asian guy posted on 4chan?

>>77272507
This is 100% kyrgiz guy, and all true kirgyz, uzbek and kazakh looks like him, i live in Central Asia few years and all true turkic people looks like him, and you just another anatolian who speak turkic.

>>77272184
almost all Afghan politicians are islamists he was the most moderate among the Mujahadeen. Look at how he ruled his areas.

he wrote a bill of rights for women, giving them the right to freedom of movement, freedom of speech, freedom to work, freedom to enter politics...etc
he banned forced marriages
...etc

>>77272311
The hardliners and Khamenei try to ruin Rouhanis term.
they arrested his brother 2 days ago.

>>77272414
If you compare him with Najibulla, he truly islamist

>>77266884
>forgetting about tatarstan and bashkortosran
Illegitimate

>>77272574
I understand but i don't know him yet, why do you expect me to like an old kyrgyz guy? Maybe I'll start to hate him as soon as i talk to him, you can't know.

>>77272642
fine i'll add you lads next thread.
i made it in a hurry.

>>77272613
najibullah had no popular support, the commies killed, tortured, kindnapped over 100.000 people in the first 3 years of their rule.

that's why the majority rebelled.
you can't enforce progress, everyone got to do it at their pace.

the commies couldn't do it in Afghanistan, and the Shah couldn't do it in Iran.
Both gave birth to ultra-conservative, reactionary movements.

Khomeini created more Iranian secularists and/or atheists, than the Shah ever dreamed of

>>77272596
Are these charges enforced by the ayatollah?
I've been really meaning to visit Iran, but I don't wanna get arrested and sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Perhaps if I use my Bangladeshi passport......

>>77272613
>When the Taliban were about to enter Kabul, Ahmad Shah Massoud twice offered Najibullah an opportunity to flee Kabul; although they were political enemies, Massoud had known Najibullah since childhood. Najibullah refused, believing that the Taliban, Ghilzai Pashtuns like himself, would spare his life and not harm him.
damn.....

>>77272642
But he invited khazars and uyghurs. interesting why golden horde and mongols are not in this list?

>>77272819
He even invited him to join his coalition. Massoud was based.

Najibullah was his enemy but he didn't kill him. he respected him.
there are recordings if them arguing, Najibullah is yelling at him and Massoud is listening peacefully.

Massoud WAS an islamist, though very moderate, but he didn't hate secularists at all.

he wanted free-elections, if it was after him, any party, even the commies could take part in them.

on Iran
Don't go with a US passport, not worth the risk.
yes it's Khamenei and his gang.
they are butthurt they can't win an election without cheating so they use dirty tricks to go after Rouhani.

they arrested this kid, with their judges, but Rouhani and Zarif will have to handle the mess now.

they really hate him.

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>>77272819
>would spare his life and not harm him

>>77272596
>>77272765
>>77272819
Ahmad Shah just another islamist whose use Najibullah mistakes, and his end was perdictable.
If Gorbachev dont stop support DRA, they would live mor few years.

>>77273037
and still collapse later. They controlled only the major cities. the war was lost, and honestly it couldn't have been won, too many hated the commies

Not all Islamists where bad. Massoud is one of them.

Anyway the commies created this mess by enforcing a rule of terror, after they did a coup.
not to excuse Daud though, he was shit and non-pashtuns hated him.

the best would've been if the monarchy was left in peace and modernized the country at their own pace.
like Morocco and Jordan for example

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People call Massoud great "national hero of tajiks" but they forget that tajiks whose live in Soviet Union fight against him, and for them he cant be national hero.

>>77273232
>but they forget that tajiks whose live in Soviet Union fight against him,
like they had a choice...

What happened to the Persian posters? Did 4chan get banned in Iran?

Also, Slavs get out, you got 3 generals you can use.
leave this one for us.

>>77273169
Sure they will collapse later, but they would just live more, and then they can die not like unarmd ships whose surrender to mujaheddins, but in battle like true soldiers.

Massoud=islamist=bad

Anyway better live in DRA than in north alliance and taliban

>>77273263
Tajiks in USSR never want see Massoud as national hero, and for them he and all mujaheddins and all islamists always was bad, because they looks like basmachi, whose few decades ago kill them and raid their villiages.

2 my uncles was in DRA, and they was proud that they help their brothers from other side of Amu-Darya, and afghans was thankful for this help.

>>77273333
The mujahadeen, under Massoud spared Najibullah, invited him to join their coalition government.

the Taliban killed him later, after he refused to leave with Massoud, who offered to save him.

>Massoud=islamist=bad
simplistic view. Islamism is a broad-spectrum. Both Massoud and Hekmatyar where ''islamists'' but they couldn't be more different than one another.

>Anyway better live in DRA than in north alliance and taliban
for you, not the hundred of thousands imprisoned, tortured and executed.

and the regime was unsustenaible. I would rather leave in stability and peace, not under a regime i know will crumble in 6 months and chaos will ensure.

>>77273295
If i'm half-slav, can i stay?

>>77273501
>Tajiks in USSR never want see Massoud as national hero
Tajiks in Afghanistan do. And they are more than Tajiks in Tajikistan

>and afghans was thankful for this help.
the commies where thankful
they where thankful when you crushed the Prague revolt, doesn't mean Czechs like you commies
commies loved that you crushed the hungarian revolution of '56, doesn't mean Hungarians liked communism

stop sprouting commie propaganda

>>77272962
Well best of luck to Rouhani. If I can find my Bangladeshi passport I'll see if I can past a visit within 5 years time.

I've also found this Iranian channel broadcasting here too. It's got press tv and everything

>>77273532
depends, what's your other half?

>>77273520
Massoud invite Najibulla to coalition, but it was matter of honor, he cant join them.
Islamism is broad spectrum, and both Massoud and Hekmatyar are bad.

>North Alliance
>Taliban regime
>stability and peace
LMFAO
Are you tajik or pashtun or any other afghan nation?

>>77273520
>I would rather leave in stability and peace, not under a regime i know will crumble in 6 months
Eh, I'd honestly pick DRA over the Taliban

>>77273666
and you are pretending the commie regime was stable?

stop comparing Massoud with the fucking Taliban. He wanted free-elections they wanted god-emperor Mohammed Omar.

he lost agaimst the taliban because Pakistan armed them, supplied them, and gave the information.
not to mention the billions that flew in from Saudi.

Najibullah should've joined them. look at how his ''pashtun brothers'' treated him after they took Kabul.
while he could yell into Massouds face without problem

>>77273687
me to. i was speaking of Massoud and his coalition.

the DRA also barely controlled anything outside the major cities, it would've crumbled anyway
they lost popular support.

>>77273616
Tajiks in USSR always know that they are tajiks, and in Afghanistan if you ask people in Panjsher for example, they will say that they are just afghanese, and in afghnistan people usually say farsivan, who speak farsi, and maybe some people in Afghanistan are just pashtuns whose speak farsi.

>the commies was thankful
My uncles see usual people in citys and villiages by their own eyes and speak with them, i dont think that usuial villiager whose only work in field are commie like some citizen whose work as administrator, for example.

>hungaria
These madyars as germans must praise God that we dont start revenge in 1945
Opposition from students start illegal demonstration, leader of Hungaria just say by radio that its bad and they start sturm of radio house.

>Prague
16 august, Dubchek call Brezhnev and ask him to take army to Chehoslovakia.

>>77273779
USA and all west with arabic countrys and Pakistan give material help to rebels, but DRA still more stable then north alliance and taliban regime.

>>77273818
Curious though, it seems quite a bit of people in Massoud's coalition practiced Bacha Bazi. Just wondering if Massoud had a scenario to deal with this.

>>77273656
My father at 3/4 tajik and at 1/4 yaghnob
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaghnobi_people

>>77273962
>16 august, Dubchek call Brezhnev and ask him to take army to Chehoslovakia.
mate stop drinking the soviet kool-aid.
no one here in Eastern Europe likes commies.

>>77274026
he had no command over the other warlords. he never really declared himself the leader, most followed him because they respected him.
Massoud had no influence in what they did in their lands.

i didn't look for it specific, but i saw no evidence Massoud practiced Bacha Bazi. i'll look into it though, won't speak until i'm certain

>>77274018
the US didn't fund the taliban, they where created in 1993-1995, in Afghan refugge camps in Pak.
And Massoud did complaint that the west did not supported him against the Taliban and just ignored Afghanistan after 1991.

>>77274087
You're Iranian enough

>>77274087
Yeah you're welcomed

>>77274201
I give you fact, Dubchek call Brezhev, and you start say reee nobody love commies

I dont say US create taliban, you should read again my words, i say they help rebels, whose creat north alliance.

And here more one difference between soviet and afghan tajiks, some afghans still practice with bacha-bazi and soviet tajiks dont it about 100 years.

>>77273501
most tajiks and uzbeks from the ussr never fought in afghanistan lol

they went there and told them they were muslims and they didn't want to fight other muslims

>>77274244
>>77274268
Anyway my fathers line assimilated by tajiks, just by 2 generations, and now we dont have blonde hair and blue yes as my great grandfather, or at least brown hair like my grandfather.

>>77266884
Fuck you Iranians. Take back the shit called Ossetians or we will get rid of them our own. Greets from KAVKAZ

>>77274461
Do you ever hear about muslim battalion?Thiey sturm Taj-Bek and then all 10 years fight in DRA.
I hear about 1 men who say he wont fight with muslims, after 1 month he already drive Kamaz at Salang.

>>77274534
will free them, don't you worry.
will free all the Caucasus insh'allah

>>77272574
Is this how you understand genetics, vanya?

Afghanistan was a mistake as a country but the ussr invasion was really stupid

>>77274534
There more chances that iranians will kick your asses from Kavkaz.

>>77274627
No it was not
The commie coup was a mistake tho

>>77274627
>Afghanistan was a mistake as a country but the ussr invasion was really stupid
no one created Afghanistan, like Iraq or Jordan.
it's a natural country.

>>77274642
insh'allah.

>>77272700
Well there's an english dialect called Runglish, maybe he meant something deep but you don't understand it.

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>>77274616
Kutak bash, arslan

>>77274659
>The commie coup was a mistake tho
Daud going full ''PASHTUNSTAN NOW, PURGE THE LEFTISTS'' was stupid.

the monarchy should've stayed.

i wish i was born in romania. It's a shithole too, but at least they have decent internet

>>77274729
>fastest internet in europe. cheep as dirt.
can't argue this. tbhf

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>>77274712
>Haplomemes
Vanya pls.
>>77274719
>the monarchy should've stayed.

Exactly.
I don't understand Afghanistan though, it's ethnically and culturally a diverse country, there are even some Turks from Anatolia (Qizilbash) living there lol

>>77274679
>it's a natural country
LOL

>>77274642
Shut up Ossetin. You guys are history as soon Russia collapse.

>>77274763
>Sir Mountstuart Elphinstone described the Qizilbash of Kabul in the beginning of the 19th century as "a colony of Turks," who spoke "Persian, and among themselves Turkish."[48] Described as learned, affluent, and influential, they appear to have abandoned their native Turkish language in favour of Persian, and became "in fact Persianized Turks".[49]

Interesting

>>77274763
>I don't understand Afghanistan though, it's ethnically and culturally a diverse country, there are even some Turks from Anatolia (Qizilbash) living there lol

Afghanistan was always de facto a federation.
both Daud and the commies wanting a strong central state was simply un-natural to the Afghans.
even todays government is weak because of this.
The monarch was a deal breaker, peace maker. not an iron fisted overlord

>>77274763
>J2 might have originated between the Caucasus Mountains, Mesopotamia and the Levant

Aliev thread

>>77274782
it's not made up by the Europeans. The british just chopped a bit of it and added it to Pak.
the Russians did the same in the north

>>77274758
>fastest internet in europe. cheep as dirt.
What the fuck really?

>>77274802
Cмoкчи кoньcкy зaлyпy чypкa йoбaнa, нe oceтин я

>>77267477
Karınıda vereydin gavat

>>77274815
>Afghanistan was always de facto a federation.
As it should be
Or it should be split between Iran, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, ajikistan and so on so forth.T
>>77274837
Okay so Uyghurs, Turkmens, Turks, Azeris, Uzbeks are Arabic
Allahu akbar

>>77274802
>as soon Russia collapse.
When will this happen?

What then?
Tannu Tuva Khanete?
Emir of Chechnya Kadyrov?
what happens then?

>>77274849
Historical country of pashtuns=/historical afghanistan

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>>77274888
sağdaki benim atın üstündeki de karım ve erkek arkadaşı

>>77274870
yup. got 272 MBps

not even the highest available

>>77274871
Tы пидapac.

>>77274903
Putin doesnt live for ever. Russia was a mess before him and it will become a mess after him.

>>77274890
J2 isnt Arabic/Semitic. Its Caucasian.

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>>77274890
Okay so spanish, italians and swedish are turkic
Praise the Tengri

>>77266884
Чyвaш

Chuvash
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>>77275008
Yes they are according to haplomemes
>>77274997
Allahu ekber then.

>>77274997
yes, so what then?

Tannu Tuva khante?
Kadyrov declares the caliphate?

>>77274933
>ob-ugrian
>finno-urgic
>not turkic

>>77275041
Caucasus isnt Turkic.

>>77275050
Balkanization of the Caucasus. Nakh and Georgian as the local powers.

>>77274933
Please stop calling Finno-Ugric Türks

>>77275132
>Nakh
?

>>77275159
I didn't
Learn Oghuz

>>77275166
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Caucasian_languages

Enough with the genetic discussions even I'm getting tired by it

>>77275199
So Dagestan and Chechnya will dominate the area.
What will happen with the Russians there? Russkie genocide?

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>>77275267
I agree, people don't even know a shit about it anyways

Let's talk about these aesthetic crowns.

>>77275327
Most Russians already left the area during 90's. They'll probably start genociding each other.

>>77275370
>Born to late to join Nassers socialist utopia
>born to early to join the Iranian nationalistic death squads
>born just in time to see the Russians get genocided in the Caucasus

what a time to be alive..

imagine if the islamic revolution didnt happen in iran

it would be even more fucked up and war torn than iraq and afghanistan

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>>77275463
Does that mean we get to deport Armenians to USA with Azerbaijan?

>>77275166
>>77275327
Nakh are Chechens, Ingush and Batsi.

>>77275327
Most Russians already left. And most Russians that still live here are actually nice people.

>>77275540
the Shah was retarded, true.
But we wouldn't have ended like Afghanistan or Iraq.

but don't worry the mullahs will turn us into Iraq. they would burn the country before giving up power.

>>77275540
>it would be even more fucked up and war torn than iraq and afghanistan
It's one of the stupidest things I've heard. One of the reasons why Saddam attacked Iran is because he saw the right moment after the Khomeini purged the the Iranian armed forces from professional officers and generals.

>>77275618
>And most Russians that still live here are actually nice people.
won't save them.

>>77275571
insh'allah.
Azerbaijan shall return to the iranian homeland. The Azeri people shall be united again.

you can keep Armenia.

>>77275624
>>77275647
khomeini is the reason why iran is relevant at all

it would've been used and abused by the british and americans if he didn't re-assert iranian and shia nationalism

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>>77275686
>Azerbaijan shall return to the iranian homeland
Azeris are stronger than sissified Persians

>>77275647
And we still survived. The army was brave and united in defence of the homeland

they where great, even if they took commands from Rasfanjani the pistachio marchent

>inb4 the IRG won the war
The army held the intial attack
the army pushed back
the army fought in the air
The IRG were sent into suicide attacks to clear minefields.

>>77275723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18vDoCJaOzo

>>77275713
>being this retarded
even the Shah started to attack the brits and the americans towards the end
Khamenei and his ilk use the same tactics he wanted to use

rockets threatening the strait of Hormuz and world wide oil production
Nuclear capabilities

we are great because we are iranians, we would be greater if we wouldn't waste all our money on shitty Arab militias
we would be greater if we didn't had to suffer embargos because of the mullahs
we would be greater if the mullahs had any idea how an economy is ran.

>>77275686
The idea of Azeris will be destroyed. Azerbaijan will be torn apart between Iran, Armenia and Dagestan

>''''''''''ayatollah''''''''''''' Ruhollah ''fucking goats is fine'' Khomeini
>''''''''''ayatollah'''''''''''''' Ruhollah ''traps are not gay'' Khomeini

>>77275839
What is this? This is very interesting, what are they saying?

>>77275878
>Armenia and Dagestan
will crush them all.

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>>77272133
Does this gentleman look turkic enough?

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>>77275941

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>>77276177
On*r artık yok etrafta

>>77276185
Who is Kalender Shah?

>>77276327
An Alevi Turkmen who rebelled against Ottoman Empire in 16th century

>>77276453
And what is Pirs?

>>77276585
Spiritual leaders related to Alevi faith

>>77276652
Alright, thannks m8

>>77274244
He's Persian, not Iranian.
Iranian is a nationality

>>77275955
Armenia alone can handle Azerbaijan.

>>77276921
>Armenia alone can handle Azerbaijan.
Not if you Russkies stay out

>>77276921
lol no
they got fucked in the last conflict

>>77276984
Especially when everyone stays out.

>>77277135
In which world? Surely not on earth.

>>77275922
I know he was ok with traps but you're joking about the goat thing right?

>>77266884
Are the Zaza not invited? What about the Alevi?

>>77277275
Nope you can fuck a goat if you want.
you just got to kill it afterwards or sell it to a neighbouring village, not yours.

>>77277280
Sure why not

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>>77277280
Post boipuççi

>>77278031
Hassiktir

>>77277691
>you just got to kill it afterwards or sell it to a neighbouring village, not yours.
That's fucking disgusting, should amount to animal abuse.

Did Khamenei reverse this?

>>77278118
>Did Khamenei reverse this?
of course not. All his retardations are still laws. They're just ignored

>>77278159
So people can still fuck goats and sell the meat to a neighboring village? That's just wrong, who would buy the meat if they knew the animal it was from was getting raped by a man.

>>77278399
>who would buy the meat if they knew the animal it was from was getting raped by a man.
you wouldn't tell them, that's the thing.
as long as they don't know Khomeini said it's fine.

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>>77277237
Armenia can't compete with Azerbaijan without any intervention of other countries

>>77270566
massoud was also very anti iranian, after the taliban killed some iranian diplomats at an embassy and iran wanted to fight the taliban, massoud told them he'd fight alongside the taliban if iranians set foot in afghanistan

>>77278480
That's just unethical

How do I a shrimp dicked crakker compete with iranic bulls ?

>>77278584
what the fuck happened to Azerbaijan's economy

>>77278657
>That's just unethical
you really think the illiterate retard, cared?

>>77278679
Aliyev'd

>>77278679
oil
gas
nepotism
oligarchy

>>77278620
sauce?

>>77278763
my dad :/
might be bullshit idk I trust him

>>77278819
i never heard of that. i'll gladly believe it if proof is provided.

he seemed quite anti-Taliban though, doubt it a bit.

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>>77278031
amçığını ıstırırım

last bump.

keep this thread alive lads

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>>77278620
Probably because of those damn atesh parast shias desu
>>77277275
>>77278118
He's only saying this based off an unsourced quote he's seen, without even knowing whether it's actually a real quote or not, and if it was real the context it may or may not have been used in.

How do we did this place of the roach filth?

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>>77272311
That's actually a very lenient sentence. I'm surprised it wasn't life in prison, like what happened with those 3 American hikers.
>>77272819
As long as you don't do anything haram or have any haram intentions, you should be fine. Just follow sharia and be a good muslim and nothing bad will happen to you.
But yeah use your Bangladeshi passport. You'll save yourself a lot of headache and trouble and you'll have a better time when you're not being heavily monitored 24/7 for being a westerner.
>>77274627
Afghanistan is based desu. They btfo the Safavids and remained Sunni, while in Iran all the Sunni's who didn't become Shia were genocided and replaced by Arab Shia.
>>77275713
>Khomeini re-asserted iranian and shia nationalism
Top kek. Then why is undying support for the Sunni Palestinians and shia/sunni unity aka pan islamism the core of Iranian identity today?
Khomeini and most Iranian clerics have even declared Shia supremacists to be kuffar.

>>77281046
Why like Khomeini isn't khameni the grand ayatollah

>>77281124
He is.
He wasn't before he became supreme leader, but the clergy made him one when making him supreme leader because Khomeini chose Khamenei to be his successor.
But because Khamenei originally wasn't an ayatollah there were a few people who spoke out against it, and Rafsanjani testified as a witness saying that he was with Khomeini at his death bed when he told Khamenei he's the next supreme leader.

>>77281046
sunnis are literally subhumans

>>77281124
>>77281230
So after that the assembly of experts just bumped Khamenei up to grand ayatollah
>>77281288
>t. atashit supporter

>>77281341
If all*H was a good god he'd have created me as an alpha 190 cm guy who weigh 60 kg with blue beautiful round eyes instead i'm 160 cm tall and weigh 120 kg and i look like a fucking anime character with dark eyes all*H is not my god if all*H were a humble god he'd have gave me a 25 cm long penis
if you worship all*H you're also subhuman

>>77281288
This

>>77281388
have given*

>>77281388
>wanting to be a giant freak
>caring about your eye color
Yeah no. Sucks you have girl height though. 180 cm is the master race.
Feels good though that I'm 5'9" while the average height of an Iranian male is 5'6".
I wouldn't want to be taller than 5'10", but I'm very happy with being 5'9"

>>77281717
See you're also a manlet because of the bastard called all*H, also who are you to talk about my sufferings you all*H's whore, this is between me and the bastard called all*H. Fuck all*H

>>77281717
180cm is 5'11

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>>77282025
u wot m8
>>77281813
Nah, I'm taller than most girls and the average male, so I'm good.

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Slav û rêz ji bo hemû hevalan gelek. Hûn çawa ne?

>>77282263
5.9 feet is not 5 feet 9 inches. 0.9 feet is around 11 inches.

>>77282263
Who the fuck are you kidding
Whatever i'm talking to a delusional muslim (all*H's slave) anyway
If my family worshipped a REAL GOD like Tengri (not all*H) i'd be alpha

DEATH TO all*H

>>77282263
that's foot, not feet and inches which is what 5'11 means

5.9 foot is exactly 5.9 foot, 5 foot 11 is 180-181 cmt


5.9 foot = 5'11

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>>77276813
There is no nationality called persian. The europeans called those peoples "persian" because they didn't know who the people are. There was no emperor (shah, shahanshah, sultan etc) who would call himself a persian emperor because nobody can be a ruler of the nation which doesn't exist.

>>77282786
it's an ethnolinguistic group

>>77281288
kys

>>77282985
can you tell the difference between the persian ethnolinguistic group and the iranian ethnolinguistic group?

>>77283365
I'll do it for you.

Iranian (nationality): everyone that lives in the modern day nation of Iran.

Iranian (ethno-linguistic group): includes every 'iranic' ethnic group: Baloch, Kurds, Gilaks, Lurs, Mazanderanis, Ossetians, Pashtuns, Pamiris, Persians, Tajiks, Talysh people, Wakhis and Yaghnobis.

Persian: Anyone of primarily iranic ancestry that speaks persian as their first language and has no immediate ancestors belonging to the other iranic groups.

Basically, Persian is a type of Iranian.

>>77266884
Can egypt in ?

>>77283607
>Persian: Anyone of primarily iranic ancestry that speaks persian as their first language and has no immediate ancestors belonging to the other iranic groups.
How did the word used for identifying people who inhabited the unexplored areas become to be associated with this?

>>77282332
>>77282351
O.O I'm retarded

>>77284282
idk what you're asking, but greeks always viewed iran as persia because at the time, the 'persian' ethnic group from pars had dominated over the other groups like the parthians and ruled it

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>>77282786
Persian = Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and others
The name of Iran is now Iran because Persia had split into so many different pieces that still calling Iran Persia at that point would be ridiculous. Because Iran was just one piece of Persia.
If you want to call Persian it's own ethnicity instead, then anyone not from the Fars province isn't a Persian either.
>>77283607
It's more that Iranian is a type of Persian

Is this the WeWuz general

>>77284945
>Persia had split
When? Do you know any "persian" ruler?

>>77284984
If you're the Algerian from the other thread I respect you if not Kill yourself

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>>77281388
>60 kg
>an alpha
Bu nasıl bir delüzyon iyi güldüm akşam akşam

>>77285176
Persian is just the romanized word for parsi which was an actual Iranic group

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>>77282332
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasRizmo/status/883977410261245952

>>77284626
>the 'persian' ethnic group from pars
>Persian: Anyone of primarily iranic ancestry
Are the people from iran or fars the persian?

>>77285176
Sassanids maybe but I wouldn't even know if they were actually Persian or not. I don't really care enough to do that much research on a bunch of Fire worshippers.
Even though one of my parents is from Fars, I don't consider Persian to be a race or ethnicity.
Most historically famous "Persians" were from different parts all over Persia.
I do know that the majority of the Persian scholars of the Islamic golden age came from modern day Afghanistan.

>>77286155
>I do know that the majority of the Persian scholars of the Islamic golden age came from modern day Afghanistan.

Alot of them came from central Asia too aka. ibn sina ibn farabi etc.

>>77286239
True. But the point I was trying to make is that more came from Afghanistan than from Iran.
But yeah you're right

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>>77284984
What do you think?
Too be fair though it's a lot less cancerous than usual.

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The number of shitskins posting under usa flag is really overwhelming, don't you think?

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>>77286567
I'm not a shitskin also there's 10 million Muslims in America

Merhaba fellow turks

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>>77286663
>Özbek
>not a shitskin
Anon I...

>>77286663
Are you a brown Uzbek or yellow Uzbek

t. curious

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>>77287359
You decide

>>77287426
you're not 14/88 enough to post on our aryan greek board.

>>77287588
yes you show ancient greek features and have white skin
you're white

>>77284222
Of course akhi. Ignore everything the gypsy writes he has autism

>>77287486
IDK how it's possible to be paler than me

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>>77287755
you're only part white you are not as white as this guy >>77287588 here. He shows dominant German/Southern European traits in his eye, nose and skin color. He also has pitch black eyes and eyebrows just like ancient aryans.

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>>77287755
Ez.
I need to get a tan though I hate white skin. It's what I get for having my other half being from a province that borders the Caspian Sea.

>>77288090
Not white

>>77288162
I know. Alhamdulillah. I would hate to be a wh*teshit
It's ironic though that the diaspora who screech "we wuz Persians n shieeet", "we are Aryan, not Arab", etc all think I'm white when they first meet me. Same with other white people and westerners.
Not even meme white like Italian or Greek either. They legit think I'm German or Russian.

But actual Iranians can easily tell I'm not white. Same with other Muslims.

>>77288090
your hand looks swarthy

>>77287935
What do you mean by white? Obviously I don't look white but i'm pretty pale

>>77288462
as i said you have to look like him and have the same color as him >>77287588
he's the perfect example of whiteness

>>77288576
I'm way paler than him

>>77288597
then you're too white to be considered as white
i'm sorry

>>77288462
Why thank you :)
At least I'm more tanned than I was in elementary school. Back then I was basically ghost white. I used to get teased about it too :/
My hair is dark brown now too. Back then it was extremely light brown. Basically dark blonde.
So overall I think my physical features became much better as a teenager than they were when I was a kid.
But once I finish school and have the time I'll probably start going to the beach a lot like I did in high school and brown my skin up a bit more.

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>>77288668
OK I also have freckles (you can see some on my hand)

>>77288890
>freckles
Damn whiteboi

>>77288447
>But actual Iranians can easily tell I'm not white. Same with other Muslims.
lol same here I just chalk it up to whites being dumb and thinking muslims = indians/sikhs

>>77289120
>thinking muslims = indians/sikhs
Now i know where the balkan meme stems from
Thank dog i don't look European tho. I might have to deal with people to prove that i'm turk and go full ikibey

>>77289210
I would have to*

>>77289120
Lol some dumbcunt whites assume sikhs are Muslims and attack them after seeing bullshit on the news. One case where they even burnt a bus just because the driver had a sikh turban.

>>77289210
what balkan meme

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>>77289120

>>77289450
People here unironically think Turks that have colored eyes/white skin are from Balkans.

>>77289464
Being confused for white is a good thing no racial discrimination I get confused for Asian's and native Americans some Hispanic people speak spanish to me thinking I'm some native of central/south America

>>77289475
but that's true

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>>77289643
It is not.
For example Orhan I was a pure Turkmen from Khorasan (both parents from the same place) yet he had fair hair and colored eyes.

>>77289631
I don't like it though.
I don't like being treated differently than other muslims. Then other muslims look at me differently too because I don't go through what they go through. That's also why I tend to grow out my beard too. That way I look less white and more middle eastern. The beard helps a lot desu. Since white people can't grow body and facial hair and I'm full of it.
In a way I'm cursed with white privilege.
But that's nothing I can't fix with a tan once I'm done with school.

>>77289821
>worshipping all*H
pathetic

>>77289821
>don't like being treated differently than other muslims. Then other muslims look at me differently too because I don't go through what they go through
You're preaching to the choir but I don't care that most Muslims treat me like shit at first but at least I don't deal with discrimination also even if I from my beard it's an Asian like beard so it still doesn't make me look Muslim

>>77281046
Every thread about Iran, you post. I swear, I want to choke you already.

>>77290182
he also worships all*H which is pathetic

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>>77290208
your pathetic

>>77290257
the bastard called all*H is the number one enemy of Turks and me
If you worship that faggot you're also my enemy

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>>77290284
OK it's on

>>77290208
That's not my issue with him. Islam was okay before Al-Ghazali's Orthodox reform shit. Before Al-Ghazali, Islam was very liberal with figures like Avicenna and Khayyam. They freely mixed Greek Platonism and Philosophy with their interpretation of Islam, and did stuff like drink wine, dance, womanize, and in general be laid back. This was okay, and during Safavid times, things were improving until the Orthodoxy starting hitting again in Qajar time.

You know how Sufism with figures like Attar, Rumi, and such is okay.

My point is, all Khomeinists must die, including MEK/NCRI. I am not joking when I say I would choke him. He is basically an ISIS-level Khomeinist scum.

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>>77290364
>Islam was oka-
get out you all*H enabler cunt
>>77290347
all*H enabler faggot, i'm going to cut you in 50 pieces with my father's sword

>>77290364
>dance,womanize
I don't know about the rest but all ibn sina did was drink some wine but overall I agree that al ghazli kinda messed things up with his incoherence of the philosopher but for the record he was a sufi and was also pretty laid back

>>77290414
I'm not Muslim, but I'm not a crazy lunatic that wants to cull Muslims indiscriminately. That's make you just as bad as ISIS. You have distinguish the fanatics from the regular folks.

>>77290458
Shut the fuck up if all*H was a REAL GOD he'd create me as a Chad and give me a 25 cm long penis
all*H is a son of a whore and you're an all*H enabler.

>>77290451
Al-Ghazali called for the genocide of Alawites. He was most certainly not laid back. He was against the approach of utilizing Greek philosophical dialectic method in interpreting Koran, and he was trying to align Sufism with Quranist approach. He was the beginning of Islamic radicalism. Khomeinists, MEK/NCRI, and Wahhabists/Salafists are ALL scum. That Iranian needs to die, and I would gladly do it with my own hands if I could get away with it. I am tired of seeing him post everywhere, yelling "kaffir" and other shit. Goddamn, I want to crush his skull.

>>77290006
They don't treat me like shit. But I feel like I'm sometimes judged because of my white privilege.
I was talking about this with an Iraqi girl I know who looks white. She told me her hijab helps, but even then a lot of people think she's a white convert at first sight.
A lot of Muslims look white despite not being white, so it's no big deal.
Like the Afghani brother said, most people just assume all Muslims look brown and mena people look brown without exception.

I just hate that these kaffir whiteshits act all buddy buddy with me at first when they treat other Muslims and brown people differently.
Like they just assume I'm white and invite me to parties and talk about sex and alchohol in front of me before I proudly tell them I'm Muslim.
I'm not friends with these type of people either and I do my best to distance myself from them once I have no more use for them, but I'm forced to associate with them in my lectures, discussions, and labs, as well as in internships and when I'm forced to do group research when working under a professor.

>>77290489
Oh and why did all*H create Kurds? because he's an evil faggot. all*H is our number one enemy, he's even worse than Gulen, Ocalan and CIA

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>>77290364
>>77290524
Actual autism

>>77290489
Shut the fuck up, you lunatic. I respect everyone, regardless of religious affiliation, who shows respect and common decency. Religion and state must be separate and freedom is important. I personally do not ascribe to Islamic ideology, but I see no problem with Muslims who do not impose it onto people.

>>77290547
>kaffir whiteshits
And you become a Khomeinist who is no better than ISIS? I swear, you are a piece of shit. Iran deserves to break up, now that I think about it. I just hope MEK/NCRI don't take power and cause more damage.

>>77290626
Why don't you change your name to Arabian
a real Iranian worships Ohrmazd

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>>77290626
Stfu, Navvab Safavi.

>>77290636
Muslims are my enemies because they side with all*H, all*H is a criminal and he's responsible for everything bad that happens to me and other people. all*H should be replaced by based Erdogan because unlike all*H Erdogan cares about me and my people

>>77290643
A real Iranian puts aside his dogma and realizes how the European model of separation of Church and state is the only way to true long-term stability. Too many Ba'hai are suffering.

>>77290524
Wasnt this at a time when the mutazila and similiar sects at their height, it seems like he did at a time when orthodoxy was very much at threat. If the mutazila had the more superior belief/interpretation system, why were they not able to recover from the blow that book dealt?

Im interested in this so any book reccomendations are appreciated.

>>77290685
State atheism should be enforced because it's way better than secularism and keeps all*H out

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>>77290643
I'm not a we wuzzing larper so no thanks mr. atashit.
>>77290702
That guy is a literal shill on /pol/. He's basically just like that Iranian guy who's buddies with Richard Spencer that thinks Persians are white.
He won't give you anything that isn't an outlier he personally cherrypicked and that isn't full of bias.
>>77290685
>He thinks its only the Bahai that are second class citizens.
Top lel
As a kaffir and an enemy of islam though nothing awaits you but a long, painful death.
You don't know what a real Iranian is.
Protip: It's actual Iranians in Iran, not western born/raised we wuzzers who fetishize a dead civilization from 1000+ years ago.

>>77290886
>I'm not a we wuzzing larper so no thanks mr. atashit.
Then change your name to Arabian you all*Hist dog
all*Hists are worse than communists

>>77290886
I know many Iranians in Iran, and they will work together to kill fanatic scum like you. One day I will get your IP and come for you.

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>>77290899
Iran is a 98% muslim majority country.
Iranians are a muslim people and have been since the beginning of Islam.
Sorry Mr. Atashit but the Pahlavi's failed to take away the Iranian identity, and now based Erdogan is undoing the damage Atashit did to the Turkish identity.

>>77290967
Blah blah, you are ISIS-tier shit. Shut the fuck up already. I doubt you've even read Saadi Shirazi or the literature of our country. I swear, I am going to kill you one of these days if you keep posting with your tripfag and using the same images. Then you can be a martyr in hell.

>>77290892
How is that extremist thinking wtf?

>>77290967
I don't give a fuck about Iran
I want no all*Hists in my general, all*H is an universal criminal and you worship it

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>>77290937
>I know many Iranians in Iran
Sure you do, just like every other whitewashed diasporashit who says the exact same thing, yet are so clueless and out of touch it's not even funny, just pitiful and sad.

>>77290967
Do you wear a zulfiqar necklace?

>>77290967
Iranians deserve FREEDOM, not your fanaticism, and I will gladly rip you limb to limb for that freedom, scum of the earth. I am going to buy a gun and find you one of these days if you continue doing this, and I doubt the USA will give a shit about a Khomeinist scum like you dying.

>>77290886
The only thing I like about Iran is there treatment of Christians but I don't see the need to treat other minorities very badly especially since there no threat

>>77290937
Jeez calm down buddy

>>77291003
I responded to the wrong person. I was trying to respond to the Turk.

>>77291021
Good job with the confirmation bias, faggot. I seriously do know many Iranians, at least like 8-10.

>>77290852
You would love the Soviet Union, they enforced your utopian state athiesm.

>>77291050
Iranians are oppressing millions of Turks

>>77291050
I can't be calm, this motherfucker is always coming on every thread yelling like a Wahhabi/Salafist scum, calling everyone who disagrees kaffir. I will definitely buy a gun and find him if he continues this. People like this are holding my country back, and I am ready to fight to kill motherfuckers like him. Iran deserves RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, not this theocratic third-world shit.

>>77291078
proof?

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>>77291001
>every practicing muslim is ISIS-tier shit.
>Saadi Shirazi
I grew up in Iran and I never heard of it. Funny how reality is so much different from your fantasies.
>or the literature of our country
What do you mean "our" country? You would be executed the moment you set foot into Iran.
>I swear, I am going to kill you one of these days if you keep posting with your tripfag and using the same images. Then you can be a martyr in hell.
Kay
>>77291072
>I seriously do know many Iranians
>at least like 8-10
loooooooooool

>>77266884
This reeks of Pajeet. I cringed

>Hiroyuki please bring back sage

>>77291120
Southern Azerbaijan is occupied by Iran

>>77291131
>I grew up in Iran and I never heard of it.
How can you not know of Saadi Shirazi? He's just as important as Hafiz.

You know what, I think there is something you are hiding from all of us. I honestly do not even think you are Iranian. You are probably LARPing as one to destroy the public image of our peoples. Every Iranian I talk with knows Saadi, bisharoo.

>>77291157
Stop trying to break up my country. Azeris are ethnically Iranians who speak a Turkic language.

>>77291157
I don't know and I don't care

>>77291182
Azeris are Turks who speak a funny dialect of Turkish
>>77291190
all*Hists tend to be ignorant

>>77291200
>giving a shit about politics
the real ignorant one is you

>>77291200
Neither Azeris nor Anatolian Turks are Turkic, you retard.

>>77291235
Disproven by actual genetics
Stop being a retarded secularist all*H enabler dog and get educated.
>>77291220
>Ignorance is bliss
*tips sarık*

Reminder: Saadi and Hafez were practising sunni muslims whose love for God was reflected in their eloquent poetry which is still immensely popular in the Persian speaking world.

>>77291131
If you care so much about our Islamic tradition, then read Saadi Shirazi, you fucking piece of shit trash Khomeinist scum. Bustan is good. Saadi Shirazi, Hafiz, Khayyam, Attar, etc., they are all important to our heritage. You stupid faggot keep quoting Khomeini because you're the one who doesn't know shit about the richness of our culture. Radical extremist scum.

>>77291276
On PCA autosomal DNA plots, Azeris cluster with Iranians like those from Pars, Kurds, etc.

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>another genetics argument

>>77291276
When did I say that? All I'm saying is it's just a gigantic waste of time to do politics and anyone who does it is really ignorant

>>77291360
Poetry is better, yeah.

>>77291360
>another genetics argument
retards love it for some reasons and they get disproven all the time
IDK why is this board so obsessed with genetics at all.

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>>77291390

>>77289120
>tfw lighter skinned poo
Whoo. Saves my skin when I go into the boganish areas.

>>77291200
>Azeris are Turks who speak a funny dialect of Turkish
its the other way around actually, modern turkish we speak is the istanbulite dialect whilst azerbaijani turkish is closer to the mid-turkish with more russian/iranian loanwords