Why do Americans hate socialism?

>>77241156
I don't. But many Americans like being cucks to their billionaire bulls.

>>77241156
They might be stupid, but not THAT stupid

americans are right -wing retards
american liberals would be considered center-right in europe, and the conservatives are far-right

>>77241235
you have it upside down
yuropoors are crazy far left nutters

>>77241235
Ahh, the new Germans

>>77241307
Turn off the proxy Tyrone Sanchez.

>>77241307
no, most europeans are centrists. but in contrast to america we also have influential left-wing parties as well

Because Socialism is a stupid, destructive ideology?

>>77241156
For some reason that I don't know most of the anglo nations have a huge dislike for anything welfare related. In fact, being a recipient of welfare is a motive of huge shame which people sometimes never recover, even lead them to suicide.

There are some exceptions like the Canadian and UK health system.

Maybe it has to do with a high tolerance to inequity, or even a desire to maintain inequity to keep social order, but I haven't studied them enough to even give an educated guess about it.

The situation is worse in the USA because their constitution, albeit it was very world changing and revolutionary at the first time, has not received enough updates and amendments to keep up with human social rights, so things like mandatory paid leave for sickness, pregnancy, access to health, etc., are only provided by the "good will" of companies (that's running out) but they can't reclaim anything because there are no laws to support it.

tl:dr They trust too much in self-reliance and good will of other people to trust in institutionalized good will and altruism.

>>77241548
t. classcuck

>>77241615
I'm not rich yet I hate your ideology :^)

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>>77241632

>>77241632
That's what makes you a classcuck.

>>77241611
The funny thing is that all anglo countries, USA included, have gigantic welfare systems that cost more than those of "socialist" countries like Italy or France, and they also have much larger shares of population that rely on state charity to survive

>>77241632
Do you suck your boss' dick before or after he fucks your wife?

That's not the symbol of socialists those are soc dems, classcucks lite

>>77242257
Probably before. This is known as prepping the bull.

Fuck lower class louts, they deserve nothing.

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>>77241611
Protestant Anglo culture frozen in time + individualistic settler larping, and voila, merica

>>77241611
This is a bang-on post.

>>77241611
i thought you guys in latam have had enough of socialism in the past to know better?

>>77241747
>>77242205
You're fighting against a force that only exists in an abstract form though. Socialist rhetoric is all about "muh classcuck" or "muh porky" but that's not actually a real enemy. You believe that the next step for humanity is classless stateless egalitarianism. Ignoring how stupid that is for a second consider that trying to rally people against capitalism isn't going to work. You can rally then up against a government that refuses to pass safety laws for workplaces or a good minimum wage or some shit, but "capitalism" itself is far too abstract to get mad at in anything other than a sort of lofty philosophical way.

tldr he's not a cuck, he focuses on de facto reality and you all are focused on propaganda books from 100+ years ago

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>>77241156
>SuccDems
>socialist

we're a nation of easily influenced retards. obviously full blown socialism is not ideal, but socialized medicine for example would lower insurance costs across the board. instead we have a large population that thinks paying for someone else's medical expenses as well as your own is anathema and stealing. this same group fails to recognize that they are already doing this in a more expensive manner via ER visits and such. such is the will of the insurance company Jew.

I swear, SWEAR /int/ wasn't lefty like this before the us election

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>>77241632

>>77242680
Yes and no./int/ was always well left of /pol/, then for a year or two it sent full /pol/. Now it's returning to its normal state.

>>77242680
4chan in general has never had any unified political stances and if you think otherwise, you're either new or not paying attention. The only board that even comes remotely close is /pol/ but they argue over very fundamental shit all the time too. Opinions here are as varied as the opinions of humanity as a whole.

>>77242599
socialized medicine is good for poorfags such as in UK, etc. they don't mind crowded rundown hospitals with obsolete equipment and huge wait times etc as long as it is free. if you are middle class here you get a much better health care via your employer. it is a no brainer. i don't want to be waiting in a "free" long line with a bunch of smelly bums

>>77242484
this was just a meme pic. it doesn't mean that i support hanging all capitalists

So many commies on my /int/

>>77242835
didn't even read past the first sentence. you are the shining example of american retardation for not know that the UK has top class BUPA insurance and private hospitals with no wait times. top class BUPA cost about $1000/year from what my britfag friends tell me.

>>77241156
that's not socialism

>>77241156
We see everything lefty as a direct path to gommunism like euros see everything conservative as nazis trying to take over again.

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>>77242680
>implying /int/ isn't short for the internationalism
Firm reminder that /int/ is a trotskyist board.

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>>77242853
hehe good goy, some (((capitalists))) are indeed necessary for society to work

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>>77241747
>Marx LITERALLY calls reactionaries cuckolds
That's it, I'm a Marxist now.

>>77242680
4chan has always been mostly filled with left """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""libertarians""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>77242969
>Using le Jew meme

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>>77242921
>il pas encore pris la pillule NAZBOL

>>77242969
>implying communism isn't jewish
the only way to rid oneself of him is to transform the world into an anarcho primitivist place

>>77242922
>didn't even read past the first sentence
of course you did.

>private
so much for the socialized medicine huh?

>my britfag friends tell me
ah, ok.
they may tell you many things. especially here on /int/

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>>77242995
Where were you when you realized the right have always been the true cuckolds?

>>77241611
>Institutionalized altruism
You commies talk funny.

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>Having no self respect
>Unable do things on your own
>Literally DEMAND things of society because you are unable to get them with your work
>Literally the opposite of Western Society

Why would anyone go left. Extreme right is kinda stupid but going left is beyond stupid.


I wish all you lefties would get to go to your lefties utopia. Maybe it would work, for the 1000000th time. Not.


Work you cunts. You make your own future.

>>77242835
>are middle class here you get a much better health care via your employer. it is a no brainer. i don't want to be waiting in a "free" long line with a bunch of smelly bums

Please keep your bullshit on your side of the Atlantic.

>>77243134
>It's impossible to have socialized medicine for everyone at the level of NHS and also offer private insurance for the morons that want to be seen in 10 minutes for their stomach ache
lol
American education.

1. Because it's bad for you, sweetie. Trust me, I deal with consequences everyday.
2. Because they were told to. Americans are medieval punks with guns.

>>77243175
Socialism and workers struggle is one of the cornerstones of european civilization

>>77241156
Listen I met a lot of socialists in university and argued with plenty of them. Besides the restrictions on freedom that socialism inevitably will bring, I just fucking hate the idea that lazy pieces of shit will take my hard earned money. Why should it be that way? Why should we set up a society of useless turds who live off of the government? Left wingers are the people who believe that it is my fault that they don't succeed. It isn't ever their fault. It especially isn't because their awful idea that they will never ever get ahead because the cards will just always be stacked against them. They're losers.

America is or maybe used to, all about independence. Working by the sweat of your brow and earning money for you and your family, not getting fucking handouts. Socialism stands in direct opposition those ideals.

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Notice how everyone ITT who's from a socialist country is against it and who isn't is for it. Grass is always greener etc

Pic rel is late stage socialism

>>77243284
kys

>>77243307
You already pay more in taxes for public healthcare than most of us. Then you pay for private insurance on top of that.

>>77243284
everyday europe strays further from god

>>77242680
I always have been, that was just the point when I realized that the memes had gone too far.

>>77243354
Are you referring to medicaid? Because I'm against it.

>>77243284

You're just a freeloader who can't assert himself.

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>>77243362
Literally no such thing, retard.

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>>77243411
Whether you are against something or not, you are still paying more in taxes for healthcare than most countries with socialised healthcare.

>>77243411
Edgy.

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>>77243196
> level of NHS
waiting for months for a surgery to treat a potentially life threatening condition is being a moron who wants to be seen in 10 minutes for a stomach ache.
UK is a POOR country compared to the US. their healthcare is SHIT.

>>77243362
your countries was literally found by freemansons who embraced enlightenment and despised religion.
Yet you became reactionary and turned back to christianity to oppose socialist movements.

>>77243362
>Implying that's a bad thing.

>he thinks god is hands on with his creation

>>77243429
Have fun living your empty life without god. Lol cringe socialists. This is also another reason to hate socialism. It is deeply intertwined with atheism and degeneracy in general. Imagine a society without religion or any incentive to get ahead. Yeah not exactly a utopia.

>>77243476
>Waiting months for surgery
LITERALLY doesn't happen unless you don't have a pressing need for it (triage). Go into ANY UK hospital with a broken limb and you'll be in a bed within 10 minutes. You're fucking retarded.

>>77243492
niBBa our country was quite literally founded by pilgrims.

>>77243476
NHS is not a social healthcare system.

German, Danish and Dutch systems are .
and they are also twice as cheap as yours

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>>77243526
Okay cletus

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>>77243526
>religion
>god

>>77243411
>Remove medicaid
>End up spending even more than you were because more people will treat the emergency rooms as doctor's offices
>Insurance companies raise your premiums even more to cover the write offs they do for the now uninsured people
FUCK THE POOR!

>>77243573
is this the famous american education?
the pilgrims were british colonial subjects. they didn't have their own sovereign country.

>>77243573
Part of Massachusetts =/= the whole country

>>77243526
>Imagine a society without religion
I do, all the time, and it's glorious.
>or any incentive to get ahead
Are you saying that this is the only reason there is to do anything constructive with one's life? Because if so, you sound like the one with the problem here.

>>77243476
Why are you going to hospital for a stomach ache?

>>77243526
>Imagine a society without religion or any incentive to get ahead.

Social-Democratic countries do have an incentive to get ahead. It's litterally the governments job to take care of their citizens as good as they can.

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What's the point of discussing anything when pretty much every post amounts to 'ur a retard'?

>>77243738
>What's the point of discussing anything when pretty much every post amounts to 'ur a retard'?

Welcome to the internet.

>>77243678
Yes I'd say in any basic economy the only incentive is being paid money. Why else would anyone work? Sure some people enjoy their jobs, but you'll find out soon enough that most people dread work.

Now the other great incentive in life to be a good man and to start a family is religion.

>>77243797
If you're a newfag, sure.

>>77243738
I ask myself that a lot during the 8 hours or so each day that I spend shitposting here.

>>77243738
So you can call the other people retards.

>>77243738
Most American posters are actually retards and need to be reminded daily

>>77243603
> twice as cheap
what exactly do you mean by that? lower premiums, no deductibles, more coverage or what?

>>77243656
Well those were the people who "founded" our country and our laws are based off their religious ideals.

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gommunist!!!

>>77243851
Healthcare spending per capita is half as much as ours in nearly every UHS country.

>>77243655
stop splitting hairs.

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>>77241156
Because socialism is retarded, and I live in the richest fucking country in human history and I refuse to see it crash and burn so experimenting leftists filth can try to create another failed utopia of egalitarianism and faggotry

>>77243813
>Now the other great incentive in life to be a good man and to start a family is religion.

I want to be a good man for the sake of being a good man.
It's sad if you think a human being needs religion to have morals.

>>77243873
None of what you just said is true.

>>77243935
Whether you like it or not, most of your ideals, whatever ideals you have left that is, were based by christianity. Accept it reject it, whatever.

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>>77243967
Okay revisionist. Guess our country wasn't founded by anybody then. Whatever it takes to push your false argument I guess.

>>77241548

This frenchfag gets it. Socialism is a destructive ideology. Nothing good can come of it.

It undermines the free economy and being given things for free is a problem. That being said, more government gibs for people who are honestly trying at life shouldn't get butt raped.

Like students and decent artists.

>>77243891
So? do you mean this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita

Compare, say, the top ten and the bottom ten and tell me where you want to be on that list.
High is good? Or bad? Mexico wins? Or the US wins? You guys are so retarded...

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>>77244047
free market doesn't work retard

>>77243914
your constitution was written by enlightenment era secularists
that is hardly hair-splitting

>>77241156
They don't, they like freedom and socialism is against the notion of freedom.

>>77244102
Freedom is a dank meme.

>>77244082
I want to spend the least and get the best service. Like the UK. Look at that.

>>77244095
you have to go back

>>77243145
Typical of socialists to have to morals

I think people confuse what cuck as an insult means. Yes it's very bad to be a cuck, but it's only slightly less bad to be the cucker. It indicates sliminess and niggerishness. The goal isn't to fucking dominate every other race.

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>>77243921
>>77244002
I like how base political partisanship has evolved into these brutal caricature strawmen which aren't just effectively divisive, but they kill any form of discussion and whittle down critical thinking in favor of wanting to be right without having to put a shred of effort into it. Truly magnificent.

>>77243476
>be me age 16
>have pain in testus
>Call family-doctor

10 min later

>doorbell.wmv
>looks what could be wrong
>wants to take x-ray
>gives medicine to relieve pain
>takes me to hospital

>10min later
>arrive at hospital
>x-ray ready
>x-ray_of_balls.png
>Anon we have to operate you
>nurse takes me to private room to prepare for operation
>Pushed_around_the_hospital_in_bed.mp4

30min later

>Sergeon is ready for the operation
>Get taken to Operation room
>Meet the sergeon and his team of 3 3.14nurses

45min later

>wake up in private hospital room
>Ring for nurse
>3.14nurse comes within 2min
>"Hey anon, the operation was succesful and the doctor will be with you within 15minutes. Would you like anything to eat?"

5min later

>eating 2 croissants with chocospread and a glass of orange juice

10min later
>doctor comes to me
>tells me how everything went
>good.jpg
>Will be able to go home after 6 hours of observation in the hospital

>3.14Nurse comes and tells me that if I need anything to eat, drink or if she has to do anything I can ring.
>enjoy 6 hours of being taken care of by 3.14Nurse while having free food and drinks

>>77244126
I don't like having 60% of the money I make being taken by force to feed corrupt politicians and hordes of brown people who hate me.

>>77244152
>best service. Like the UK

Whilst the American system is awful, ours certainly isn't a shining beacon.

>>77244095
Free market does work retard, INSANELY well. It's just extremely unethical. Free market with ethical limitations, much like a free country like ours but reasonable limitations such as "Don't rape babies" or "You shouldn't be allowed to carry a bomb in public".

>>77243921
>mention socialism
>The american spergs about liberalism which is basically the same as his ideology except it imports brown people

>>77244190
THIS ISN'T HOW IT HAPPENS! THERE'S NO WAY A YUROPOOR COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BETTER HEALTHCARE THAN ME!! NOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>77244177
You're probably too good for 4chan tbqh Kees.

>>77244024
Of course it was founded by people, it's just that it wasn't founded entirely by, or informed in anyway by, the pilgrims, a puritanical, calvinist, separatist group located in Plymouth, MA that didn't even really exist after the late 17th century.

You getting a poor education does not make me a revisionist. I understand that the pilgrims play an important role in the mythology of America, but that has nothing to do with the founding fathers or the 13 rebel colonies.

>>77243680
can you even read?

>>77244177
It's because most people are really the same. They pretend to believe in these political and social movements/ideas, but really it's all about cultural identity. It's about fitting in somewhere and giving into an ideology to fight an us vs them battle. It's really horrible. Argue with most people on either side and they will just always resort to personal insults against you.

>>77244190
Try that with 325million people from the most diverse backgrounds possible

>>77244237
i disagree. free market doesn't work, because it is in the best interest of every capitalist to destroy free market and create a monopoly.
free market can only exist under the everlasting supervision of the government

>>77244293
We do it with 17million people and twice as cheap per capita as you do now

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>>77244253
It's a hyperbole, man. I migrated here from Newgrounds around 2007 being a newfag, then I lurked moar until I knew how to 'fit in' (becoming memetically obnoxious in the process) and now I'm just too tired.

>>77244230
You have one of the best in the world regardless of how poor or wealthy you are. Americans have one of the worst even for the wealthy. People here who have by all means played the game and won can sink into poverty once they get old and lose millions even with insurance.

Only bad thing about your healthcare system is that the Tories keep trying to make your nurses and doctors unemployed so they Jew it up.

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>>77244352
Are you me?

>>77241156
Why not?

>>77244252

I worked for the NHS. It honestly isn't any better than the US healthcare system. Its just fucked up in different ways. There's no way that I'd ever want to be treated in a NHS hospital.

Americans are basically retards
>>77244293
What the fuck is with with American obsession of diversity as either an answer or a way to avoid criticism.

What the fuck does diversity have to do with healthcare?

>>77244272
>>77244177
WOW you all are so insightful and you're really bringing new and important things to the table here

kys

centrists are buckets full of platitudes

>>77244293
Well it works for us.
And if something works for a population of 80 millions, why shouldn't it work for 325 millions?

>>77244293
it works exactly the same here for the good part of the 300+ mil ppl. i am surprised someone would want to type so much green text about something as mundane as acceptable health care as if we didn't have it here.

>>77244334
mexico is much cheaper than you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita
so they have much better health care!!!
mexico wins!!!

>>77244391
AHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*breaths in*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>77244391
NHS sucks too.
Health care economists consistently rank the US AND UK as the worst in OECD

>>77244394
Throws mud in the gears when people don't really get along or are separate.

>>77244437
We do it cheaper and with more quality then you do. We live on average 3 years longer then an american

>>77244254
Well who said it was founded only by the pilgrims? My point was that they were the first people who walked on this land and their ideas, whether you like it or not, very much influenced the constitution and our culture in general. I'm not sure why you argue against that? Is it personal pride or what?

>>77244394
Poos going to the hospital for sprained fingers because it's free here

>>77244394
They think only their country has diversity or poor black people and they feel they will pay an unnecessary amount for their care. Not realising that they already pay for it or that other countries also have poor groups of minorities, or that more people equals more money for taxes all other things being relatively equal.

Basically demographics and statistics confuse them.

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>>77244407
You sound like a swell person to be around, my fellow american.

>>77244407
>being a slave to ideology

>>77244422
Who told you it doesnt work? It is called private healthcare. It is not ideal (neither is yours) but it does work. I just don't want to greentext my doctor visits as the dutch anon does.

>3 years longer then an american
holy shit, that makes all the difference kek

>>77244422
The biggest joke about all of these threads is that it does work here. It's fucking fine as long as you have a job. And if you don't then the government (not your employer) takes the bill.

I got hit with a $3500 hospital fee a decade ago and just straight up never laid it btw. What are they gonna do? Repossess my broken jaw?

>>77244450
NHS was just found to be the best in Europe aside from "outcomes" that are dragged through the mud because Brits count old people dying of old age in NHS hospitals when determining mortality ratios which is what they use for determining outcomes.

>>77244272
You know what, I'm not ashamed to blame the media for causing a large part of that behavior. If people would just stop watching fucking tv and have some personal thoughts as an individual for once, maybe, JUST MAYBE, we can progress as a society. That or the internet was a bigger slippery slope than we could possibly imagine and we were doomed to become an idiocracy from the get-go.

>>77244381
Most 'oldfags' (trigger warning) are easy to spot since they don't tend to fly into insecure tantrums like >>77244407 here does. I'm fairly sure there's a whole bunch of us still clinging to these parts of the web.

>>77244546
3 years longer and twice as cheap.

thats a lot of difference

>>77243429
Did you cut yourself on that post?

>>77244546
it works terribly for all but the rich because it's tied heavily to your job that you will lose if you spend time in a hospital.

>>77244559
sounds pretty silly to me
if government is gonna pay it anyway, why not make the health-care universal in the first place?

>>77244559
if the government pays for it you will pay more for it later through premiums dumbfuck.

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>>77244437
America has been an outlier in healthcare since the 70s

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/09/considerations-on-cost-disease/

>>77244567
By what measure? Accessability and efficiency?

>>77244487
>who said it was founded only by the pilgrims?
You did, like twice
>My point was that they were the first people who walked on this land
That was the Spanish, French, Italians, and English at Jamestown
>and their ideas
...
>whether you like it or not
I am indifferent
>very much influenced the constitution and our culture in general
Except not really at all. That was things like the enlightenment
>I'm not sure why you argue against that?
Educating you on your own history is not an argument
>Is it personal pride or what
Just my generally helpful demeanor and superior education to that of your own

>>77244590
I blame the internet and all those echo chambers that came with it.

>>77244692
well at least this is a more reasonable chart that accounts for GDP as well, unlike autistics screeching "it is twice as cheap here"!!! except it wold probably be better to compare with income not GDP?

>>77244744
Personal insults because you're simply wrong. Keep tip toeing around the facts. I'm not sure if you're baiting me or not, but if you are then props my dude. You can't deny that this country was founded by judeo christian values.

>>77244846
it doesn't matter even if Trump himself told you the American system is dogshit you would ignore it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/04/trump-praises-australias-universal-health-care-system-you-have-better-health-care-than-we-do/

>>77244610
t. one of the most atheist countries in the world

But no, I know proper meme safety protocol.

>>77241156
Cause it's worse than cancer

>>77244885
>Trump himself told you
>Trump himself
holy shit anon

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>>77244846
They're outliers by all measures.

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Americans would rather have systems designed to break and ruin good records to provide funding than pay .5% in taxes. Namely traffic and parking laws. Every traffic cop/camera/parking meter is a revenue stream. Government literally working against you.

>>77244861
Some Judeo-Christian values yes, not by the Pilgrim's odd and rigid form of Calvinism that centred entirely on the church though. Largely the west was influenced by Christianity, certainly the culture, although you are underestimating the mostly irreligious effects of the enlightenment on Europe and the Americas.
And, I never insulted you personally. The curriculum and text books at your school have nothing to do with you.

>>77244948
Only a Drumpflard could praise the American health system and be so ignorant of how bad it is compared to nearly everything else at the same time.

>>77244559
>I got hit with a $3500 hospital fee
Do you have any idea what kind of medical operations you need to do to get charged this much in Europe? At least 3 scaner, 2 surgical operations an a mouth in observation.

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>>77241156
Because we literally spent decades fighting Marx's failure of a philosophy

>>77245340
you made a lot of effort for such a failure

>>77241156
Because it has never worked for us, but the elites and their puppets keep trying to push it.
You want to try to get it right again? Fine. Have fun. But don't expect me to fund your experiments.
We try hard to let others make their own choices...but that's where it falls apart, because they always seem to find ways to regulate and demand everyone do things their way, regardless.
Fundamentally, socialism only allows those already in power to move forward. Being greedy, heartless, evil capitalistic pig dogs, we have a problem with that. Why not encourage everyone to try their way of getting rich, as long as it's not against the rules set forth in the Constitution and Bill of Rights?
We must have more laws! said the lawyer.
We must have more votes! said the politician.
You must take care of me! said the sick, lame, and lazy.
Leave me alone! said everyone else.

>>77245340
why would you fight it if it was a failure?

>>77245495
>Leave me alone! said everyone else...
Except for healthcare regarding the elderly, or veterans. Also police, fire departments, public infrastructure like bridges and roads, parks, most schools, many museums, portions of public radio and television, libraries, some tuition for the bulk of post-secondary students in the form of pell grants and the MGIBill, sometimes large portions of sports complexes, etc.
You use lots of socialist programs. Healthcare, something you already pay a disproportionately large amount of taxes for, is not that large of a step.

>>77245495
It's not an experiment, almost all North and West European countries, Canada and Australia and New-Zealand have a working system you can just copy/paste.

And free market doesn't work with the medical market because of contradictory selection

>>77245818
NOOOOOOOOOOOO DELETE THIS

>>77241156
I don't think they trust any government thing. So they don't do anything that increases government power.

As an immigrant who came from a country with more and more socialism, I kinda like Americans hating socialism. I don't trust politicians from my experience in my previous country and I wouldn't like to see any increase in government influence in anything as I don't feel that American politicians are any better than the ones from my original country.

>>77246199

Same. I moved to the US from Europe. Europeans trust their governments far too much and give them a great deal of power. I prefer making my own decisions and taking responsibility for my choices. I don't need a bunch of dead weight holding me back.

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>>77244352
Are you me?

>>77245818
Except the good versions of health care, infrastructure, education, etc are privately funded. For profit. Your examples are those which are funded by taxes, charity, and other means, which are average quality at best.
Socialists would have everyone equally miserable, regardless.
I will not say that your system is not good for you. I say that ours is better for us. Choice.

>>77246319
>Europeans trust their governments far too much and give them a great deal of power.

Yeah, this was the same excuse used for the revolution. Some countries stuck it out though, like Canada. Does Canada look very poor comparatively or less free than the USA (Canada is more free accirding to the eponymous index)? Americans are just too reactionary, you trust nothing and no one and have suffered for it. Yet you keep doubling down.

Also, please look at your federal, state, and municipal governments compared to ours. Yours are vastly more powerful and spend a lot more time spying in you than ours. Mostly because your governments are made up of Americans who trust no one.

>>77244590
>That or the internet was a bigger slippery slope than we could possibly imagine and we were doomed to become an idiocracy from the get-go.
The internet was a fuckng mistake τβη
Everyone has low tier autism nowadays, they can't even hold a conversation.

>>77246199
Fukuyama and some historians discussed this. America has a culturally engrained vision that government is evil and should be distrusted.

I don't blame them because the American government really did fuck them over multiple times throughout history. American exceptionalism is insane.

>>77246749
The good highways are privately funded? There's a better museum on earth than the largely publically funded Smithsonian? Someone's private park compares to Central Park or Yellowstone? As for choice, do you think we don't have private schools here too? Of course we do, although in our country, like yours, for every study showing that private and charter schools outperform public schools there is another one that says the opposite.
As for the choice of your private healthcare, you pay more for it on average, both publically and privately, and in return you get lower life expectancies, higher rates of diseases both chronic and acute, higher infant and birth mortality rate, etc.
Hell of a choice, pay more for less while looking like Scrooge to the entire civilised world or less for a longer healthier life and actually enter civilised society where every citizen is cared for relatively equally

>>77246926
Tbqh, America, just like most empires do, has been hypocritical.

Their Non Proliferation Treaty system for nuke keeps other from getting nuke while America (as well as China, Russia, the UK, and France) are having nukes.

Idk, all empires, just like China (who has nukes targetted to S Korea) who are blaming S Korea for having their own radar system to detect N Korea nuke activity, are evil and America is no exception

>>77241156
They're dumb.

>“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

-Lyndon B. Johnson

>"You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

-Lee Atwater, adviser to the George H.W. Bush campaign and GOP chairman

>>77245820
Yes, I understand that it works for you where you are, and I'm happy for you. I've visited your country, and found it to be very pleasant. Thanks for the hospitality.

We tried Socialism / Communism in the Jamestown years. Community property, central planning, each according to their need and means, etc. Basically bringing what they knew from the old world, minus the monarchy. Nearly everyone starved until food plots were privatized and individuals were held accountable for their actions or lack thereof. New methods were learned or invented out of necessity, and people began to thrive. Proof of concept.

Every generation or so, some educated idiots think that they can directly transpose from theory to reality. "...if we could just make it work this time." The results are the same. Scientific method vs managed chaos. Hence, my use of the term "Experiment."

My point is that we have a history of success doing things differently than you. Your system works well for you, and parts of it work (in a manner of speaking) for some here. But if I can do better for myself, family, and friends, I chose to do so. Would you take away my ability to chose, as the elites attempt to do here?

>>77247464
You don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. No sane person here is advocating that America become a total socialist cooperative. We are saying that it is a beneficial idea to extend the healthcare benefits you already give some people to all people.
It's really not that big of a change, nor does it strip any choices from you and your family anymore than the existence of a fire department does. Do you regret the loss of choice in fire departments?

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>>77243526
>Have fun living your empty life without god
>My life is empty without my imaginary friend

>>77243324
Go back to /pol/ you larping nigger.

>>77243362
Is was straying from "god" that allowed Europe to enter modernity, you cancerous fucking cretin.
People like you are the real leeches of society, the brain drain; those who do more damage than welfare ever could.

>>77245495
>taxing the rich makes the rich more powerful!
what the fuck

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>>77247740
>>77247921

>>77247186
Yes, the better things are more expensive. That is the point of competition: to gather and manage more and better resources. This, in turn, drives research, development, and, ultimately, profit. Most of our best things started out privately owned and funded, but were appropriated by the government "for the betterment of society" (to buy votes), often by tax law or outright theft. Unfortunately, competition and profit also apply to our government, but that is the trade-off.

Again, I'm not saying that your system is bad for you. You asked why it is bad for us.

>europeans pretend socialism is great while the only reason their countries are good was because america gave them ungodly ammounts of money

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socialism a shit

t. anarkiddie

>>77248055
hehe
anarkiddie can almost mean "without balls" in Greek
hehe

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>>77248098
greek can also mean turk in spanish

>>77241156
wtf thats the symbol of PSOE in spain

>>77247653
I cannot explain any better than I already have, though I can be more simplistic: We have options, so can choose, and don't want it.
Thanks anyway.

>>77248229
Does it also mean cartel, 'cause in breaking bad and better call saul there is a Don Elladio.

>>77247973
But it isn't better, it's objectively worse. Your not paying a bit more for the latest limited release Iphone, you're paying way fucking more for a blackberry PDA and telling a lot of the country that they can't have any cell phone at all.
You keep saying, "ours works for us, yours works for you." Except yours doesn't work, it sucks. Not just for the millions of uninsured, but the the millions of insured who still have lower life expectancies by years, higher rates of medical malpractice, more disease, etc. and pay more for the privilege of a shorter diseased life.

>>77247944
That's an interesting interpretation.
Taxation is theft, and only fit to perpetuate bigger and bigger government.
Charity is much more effective, and wealthy people give more money. Simple mathematics.

>>77248401
Stay BTFO

>>77248556
Seems that the standar for BTFO in Mexico is almost the same as the standar for living there.

>>77247921
Do you see how much anger is in your post, my friend? You need god in your life and it is painfully obvious. It is the only way to be at peace with yourself. Do not be apart of this growing trend that you're too good for religion. It's the one way ticket to a life devoid of meaning, love, and beauty.

>>77248595
you got BTFO p hard pal

>>77248427
I understand that you feel strongly about your ideas, opinions, outlooks, etc. But we obviously have differences, and that is a good thing. Without difference, there is no conflict, there is no movement, there is stagnation, there is decay.
Please, enjoy what you have, as do I. Neither of us will convince the other, so I thank you for the conversation.

>>77248484
Assuming you are a conservative, then why do you support military budget as it means big government too?
Also i'm not supporting any kind of nanny state. Just i don't get how is it possible to strenghten the rich through taxing them.

>>77248845
You managed to migrate this fast?

>>77248874
that was pretty witty but still doesn't change the fact that you got btfo lmao

>people ITT thinking socialism = government owning stuff

>>77248925
>that was pretty witty
thanks I am Greek
>>77248932
This is how it was implemented most of the time, can't blame them.

>>77247921
>Is was straying from "god" that allowed Europe to enter modernity, you cancerous fucking cretin

lmao thats hilarious that people actually think this. pagan europe was the shit hole of the planet being abused by the chinese, romans, mongols, persians etc. until Christianity arrived.

>>77248932
>>77248955
The worst part of it is there are "socialists" in US that thinks socialism is government owning stuff. Its horrible.

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>>77248976
>being abused by the chinese
>pagan europe was abused by pagan european romans

>>77248976
yeah we'll see how europe will look in a few hundred years with their fervent atheism... pretty muslim and brown kek.

>>77248860
I did not mean to say that taxing the rich was productive, and if what I have written could be misunderstood as such, I apologize for my lack of clarity.
We probably agree on many points.

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>>77241156
Hunger is a universally loathed condition.

>>77241235
Hey, their country will still be around and kicking when our nations crumble under the weight of Africa; isn't that a plus?

>>77248856
dumbfuck

>>77243921
>>77244002
You guys ruin this site

>>77249283
I've done enough fighting that it no longer amuses me. Of what value is your post?

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Because socialism is not sustainable. The only reason successful socialist northern European states are succeeding is because the United States provides for their own defense.

So now they have all this money to throw into massive social welfare programs. They fucked up too by allowing so many worthless retarded "refugees" into their country, and now they will soon run out of money.

Capitolism is king fuckers.

>>77242599
>we're a nation of easily influenced retards
>proceeds to prove yourself right

@77249430
bait

>>77249430
Defense from whom exactly?

>>77249491
Russia, I guess. The money is going somewhere.

>>77249430
Western citizens are so deluded they think they live in a peaceful world, or that the natural tendency of the world is approaching peaceful coexistence, instead of realizing the hard truth that this peace is only a byproduct of the West's virtual monopoly on military and economic power; but the trend is starting to shift. Dimwits like >>77249491 will likely be dead by then, however.

>>77245791
Because it was out to destroy us

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>>77249491

hummmm, i don't know. How about the african and muslim men raping and attacking your country as we speak you big dumb fuck. We provide for your defense your dumb shit leader allows millions of them into your country.

Socialism and communism are intertwined. Capitalism all the way.

Pretty hilarious that some middle class Americans don't realize that they are already paying for the preventable emergency visits of the un- and lowly insured with higher premiums.

A universal system were all people would get regular check-ups and preventive treatment for illnesses that have the potential to balloon into emergencies prevents all those unnecessary costs.

Every reputable economist agrees that a universal system would in the end be cheaper than the pre- and post-obamacare American system.

>>77249714
Uhm, the American military is reponsible for destabilizing Iraq und the middle east and thus creating the current refugee crisis. We stayed out of this mess for good reasons.

Marxism is an idea based in the 19th century when industrial workers were virtual slaves. It was out-of-date by the 1920s. Karl Marx never anticipated mechanization of industry, social welfare, and things of that nature.

>>77241156
Socialism goes against the autistic obsession for "liberty" that characterises the US. Don't forget that the US like many Latam nations, is a violent nation on principle, so they need a permanent underclass living in absolute squalor so the average Joe doesn't feel insecure about his meagre stagnating pay.

They'll be happy to live in a pseudo-ancap shithole as long as their taxes are 2% lower.

>>77249491
Defense of trade routes and from each other.Without the United States providing free and open access to the seas for all nations, more nations would have to invest in blue water navies to guard their trade routes. Perhaps even more importantly than the this, is the cold hard truth that Europe would not be remotely as peaceful as it is now without the United States. Up until 1945, Europe was constantly tearing itself apart in some of the deadliest wars in human history.

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>>77249722
>A universal system were all people would get regular check-ups and preventive treatment for illnesses that have the potential to balloon into emergencies prevents all those unnecessary costs.
And how do you propose to pay for this?

>>77241156

They love it, judging by US government expenditures.

>>77249802
>industrial workers are not virtual slaves in 2017

>>77249491
gee i wonder who, maybe a country where their favorite past time is destroying europe

>>77249846
perhaps we could reduce our defense budget by a small amount. that way we could still waste the most money on tanks and save money on healthcare costs at the same time without raising taxes and making retards screech.

>>77249884
Maybe in China and North Korea.

>>77249939
dumbfuck

>>77249846
With the money you gain from preventing the resulting worse conditions? Can't you read? Antibiotics are cheaper than an emergency operation on an infected and untreated leg. Skin cancer screenings are cheaper than chemo therapy.

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>>77248595
>women prostitute themselves for a sandwich
>living standars

syriza was a failure

stay BTFO

>>77249884
Wha...you think in communist countries that the workers had any rights? Hell fucking no, they were simply there to serve the goals of the state.

>>77249798
Yet you're paying for it and itching to vote in someone who can guarantee more refugees a-comin'. 60 years ago, Africa had half the population of Europe; 20 to 25 years ago, both had the same population. Today, Africa is about to double Europe in population, and we keep on taking in the excess while our dwindling birthrates and falling average IQs spell eventual doom for our way of life. We go to absurd lengths to uphold our perceived moral superiority while the rest of the world doesn't give a shit about us.

It's no longer a European world, Hans, but it'd be nice if you stopped trying to make it a non-European Europe.

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>>77249798
You don't think islam, the sunni/shia split and rivalries between different factions have to due with the shit show that is the middle east?

You moron. You allowed the enemy to infiltrate your country by letting millions of them in! You are right in the middle of it. Dude, I'm losing faith in Germany, these people are fucking brainwashed.

>>77249975
>>77249722
And what makes you assume that said "free" health care would be good quality and you wouldn't have long lines, rationing, and dirty/broken equipment? You see how in some place like the UK, nobody uses the NHS if they can afford a private practice doctor.

>>77250009
Germany did not participate in military interventions and makes great efforts to push for climate change policies which prevents further migration crisis. It's the US that is opposed to these things that would reduce migration pressure.

>>77250032
To be fair, the state the ME is in is attributable (in recent times) to American/NATO action in the region to further the interests of Israel and Saudi Arabia.

>>77249802
It also over emphasized the importance of class in society. Perhaps most importantly, Marx supposed there were only two kinds of people, an oppressed group and an oppressor group. His ideology failed because it fundamentally oversimplified society in a very grave manner

>>77250009
Africa's population ballooned because of irresponsible Western governments. The great 1980s famines happened because there were too many people living on marginal land. Under the laws of nature, this surplus population should have died off, but no, we sent them thousands of bags of UN rice because of SJWs/celebrities crying over pictures of skeletal African children.

>>77250076
>nobody uses the NHS
everyone uses the nhs. even the private practices and hospitals use the nhs. most private hospitals don't even keep blood on site. if you need any complicated procedure or tricky medicine you go to nhs.

>>77249798
Germany and France did not oppose the invasion of Iraq in good faith

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>>77250091
>and makes great efforts to push for climate change policies which prevents further migration crisis

>>77241156
Because it runs in direct opposition to the individualistic character of our country. Besides, there are plenty of ways that an economy can be regulated without the toxic social consequences of ideologies related to Marxism.

>>77250076
I think these things are greatly exaggerated by lobbyist groups that spread falsehoods are few rundown hospitals are nothing compared to the Doctor's Without Borders-style charity operations that exist in some parts of the US.

>>77250076
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/1352485/Madonna-has-baby-in-US-after-shunning-English-hospitals.html

:^)

>>77250174
>>>/pol/ trumpanzee

>>77250091
Plenty of food and subsidized healthcare in every Sub-Saharan nation would also solve the migrant crisis, but your nation can only decide on its own foreign policy.

You know what would greatly reduce migrant pressure? Not taking in migrants.

>>77250127
It keeps happening. Africa has the poorest and least sustainable populations in the globe, yet the fastest growing. Gee, I wonder what could ever go wrong in the coming centuries. I wonder what would've happened to cavemen if we'd had access to WMDs.

>>77250174
Yes, desertification and floodings will create greater migrational pressure obviously. Nice reation image.

I think the VA hospitals scandal ought to prove how well that government health care works.

>>77249722
you sound like you really want to say something but you don't know the basic facts. for starters, most frequent ER visits are due to people overreacting to non-emergencies, and also falls/fractures/burns and other accidents etc. preventable emergencies are a tiny percentage of all cases. you guys really want to think that those in charge are dumb people and you are all fucking geniuses. typical /int/.

>>77250236
You're not obligated to take in millions of Third World subhumans, you know.

>>77250237
yes your single anecdote from a country that did not even try to implement it correctly proves how it does not ever work.

>>77250127
wow that is so edgy!

>>77250262
>most frequent ER visits are due to people overreacting to non-emergencies
kek.

>>77250148
>you go to nhs
in other words you are fucked..
scary shit

@77250318
kill urself moron.

>>77250159
America :"Hey we just suffered a devastating terrorist attack. Our intelligence suggests that Iraq may have played a role and also that the Hussein regime has weapons if mass destruction that he uses on civilian populations. Would you mind if we stabilized the nation to ensure global peace"

Germany & France: "Our intelligence says otherwise but you gotta do what you gotta do I guess."

America 10 years later: "haha, turns out this might take 20 years or so. There weren't any WMDs and the Hussein regime was way better at running this country than us, also there are now more terrorists here than ever. We replaced the brutal but stable Iraq wide government with a shitshow and the worst global villains since Nazis. Also, as a result of our retarded partisan politics we definitely aren't going to finish the job and will leave the whole region in shambles."

>>77250309
look it up, dumbass

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>>77250295
I can show you Cuba as well. Fine place, their health care system is often cited by SJWs. Yet I've never heard of Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton flying down to Havana when they needed to see a doctor.

>>77250262
They are not dumb, they are just acting in their own self-interest instead that of the common man, neither the middle-class nor the lower class benefits from the current arrangement just the super rich, like members of congress, it's pretty much given when congress passes a law that will exclude themselves.

>>77250262
While I do not agree on the subject at hand, I'll add that it's a very European thing to do to mock a perceived American stupidity, as if America was hardly accountable for its own success and we knew better. I guess it's a placebo to make us forget about Europe's growing irrelevancy.

>>77250344
>cuba
stopped reading here.

>>77250339
>and the Hussein regime was way better at running this country than us

>Saddam Hussein
>good at anything but creating a pariah state that ended up in three disastrous wars

>>77250344
cherrypicking: the post

I guess a shart in mart pic proves that all >americans can't control their bowels?

>>77250339
Iraq was the first big fuck-up of the millennium, but Saddam was hardly a genius. I wish they hadn't fucked up Libya too.

>>77250262
Btw, all of this irrelevant since I was primarily talking about visits that obviously create great costs due to actually being conditions in the fist place.

>>77250318
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/01/23/student-nurse-horror-stories-reality-working-within-nhs-stretched/

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/11/376384632/overcrowded-hospitals-overwhelm-uks-national-health-service

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2012/12/09/another-uk-health-care-horror-story-which-us-press-will-ignore

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382374/The-NHS-hospital-80-cent-babies-foreign-mothers.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2241282/Abuse-elderly-patients-NHS-staff-rises-year-shocking-36-000-offences-reported-year-alone.html

>>77250307
That's just nature at work. When there's more organisms than an ecosystem can support, the surplus population gets eliminated by a famine, epidemic, etc.

>>77250339
Read the Hans Blix report and bear in mind Saddam's relations with France

>>77250468
You realize these cases are the result of the privatization efforts of the current Conservative government, right? They want to make the system more 'American'

>>77250364
>perceived American stupidity
True, and especially now that we have a retard that acts like a 5 yo twitting stupid shit.
Many Europeans don't know much about America and if something seems strange to them they won't bother to check the details. they will just discard that as something only Americans do due to their genetic stupidity and extra body fat.

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>>77249430
First of all, Nordic countries are not socialists, they are capitalist countries with welfare programs and a socialists claiming their successes is just some people that do not know what they are talking about.

Secondly, it is capitalism that is not sustainable. Capitalism exists to expand at it is it's inherent nature to expand. Capitalism builds factories, produces food, clothing and other commodities (this is a positove thing of course), but this has a limit. It is limited to the demands of the existing market, and when the market is satisfied and can't take more production, it tries to expand itself, finding new consumers through opening other markets (19. century imperialism of European countries for example) But this reaches to the limit too as we have seen at the start of 20. century. At that time, there wasn't a single community that didn't integrated in one of the industrialized forces' market. Industrial output was much more than needed, capitalists started to fail, and economic crisises begin. There were two choices for capitalist countries; expand the markets in any way necessary, or change the mode of production. Latter was communism, producing the demanded through economic democracy and collective ownership of the means of production. Latter didn't happen in time, and the industrial powers tried to take others' markets by force. One side of capitalists dismantled the others, and new markets emerged. This is actually why WW1 was seen as a tragedy, but WW2 was seen as a monstrosity, first one was result of economic instability of capitalism, the second one was more "conscious" war, a war between ideologies.
I actually forgot what i was writing about so i'm finishing here.

>>77250502
Everyone knew that much. France had a lot of business ties to Iraq, there was an entirely practical reason for not wanting to go in there with us.

>>77250530
he will ignore this. no point in posting it.

>>77250500
>appealing to nature

stop being retarded

>>77250468
>a couple of news stories from rags definitely prove my point!

kill yourself

Because Americans have been brainwashed since WW2 into supporting politics, economic thoughts and positions on foreign affairs as if it's a sports team to cheer on.

>>77250561
When the market gets oversaturated and hits carrying capacity, you have a situation like the Great Depression. You have to digest your food before you can eat more.

>>77250580
He's right, though; how exactly do you expect the demographic imbalances to end? European nations are increasingly unstable, and things that were taken for granted have been proven to not be as robust as previously thought. Africa will literally swallow Europe under the current trend.

>>77250578
There's no point in giving him serious replies because he's demonstrated repeatedly that he's a hopelessly cucked SJW. The part where he said Gorebull Warming was causing refugees is where you should have stopped discussing anything with him.

>>77250676
>cuck
finally the drumpfkin reveals himself.

>>77250580
Mmmm hmmm. And what do you think happens when Africans shit out more babies than they can feed?

>>77250530
These horror stories have always been abundant regardless of who is in power. Because socialized health care is shit. Nice try though. Are you the same guy who always pops in the american suburbia threads to give your expert opinion about fake brick houses?

>>77250621
America has been the World's undisputed superpower since WW2, and that will only last for as long as they maintain that attitude you seem to find so shocking. If other western countries have enjoyed relative peace and prosperity for almost a century now, it has been under an American umbrella. In other words, we've let the US play geopolitics for us.

>>77250734
Germans are more cucked than I could have ever imagined. Enjoy your 80% Muslim/African country in 40 or so years.

>>77250756
It's not a bad thing at all consider that Europe used to go to war every 20 or so years. Under Pax Americana, Europe since 1945 has been entirely at peace aside from the Balkans.

>>77250734
Socialized health applied to any first world country insure more people, provides better care for the average person and also saves cost. Do you realize that implementing a public universal system doesn't necessarily exclude private clinics. In Germany you can have both, private or the public option. So all this private-sector talk about Madonna or whoever is a distraction.

>>77250807
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm saying many are unaware of what and why it is, and refuse to ensure its good things survive the end of American hegemony.

>>77250774
This might actually happen if you neocons decide to invade Iran for Israel.

>>77250849
We just covered that. Nobody in Britain uses the NHS if they can afford private services because it's hot garbage.

>>77250715
If you have the resources to stop a famine it would be unethical to ignore it, the world produces enough food for everyone, but I don't expect edgy teenagers to understand the value of human life. I fucking bet you probably have Irish heritage.

>>77250641
>right wing alarmism

>>77250892
no, we established that you're a fucking retard moron that talks about things he doesn't know anything about as if he is an expert.

>>77250892
The upper 10 percent or whatever that can afford to opt out are not the average person.

>>77241156
They don't. Their army is socialised. They can't fight their own battles so they need the state to protect them.

>>77250909
>right wing alarmism
Great point, anon. I'm sure we've all learnt from past mistakes and it's all smooth sailing from now onwards.

>>77250947
You can get insurance from like £10 a month. Google says the average is about £800 a year.

>>77250734
It's phenomenal how being a retard is considered a virtue in America.

Brookings Institution of Health Policy ranks America 49th in healthcare efficiency, UK as 26th.

WHO ranks America 37th, UK 18.

Modern Healthcare consistently discusses the inefficiencies and failures in the system.

But no the health economists, physicians, and olicy makers are wrong.

>>77250967
You greatly underestimate the power of western mass culture. Just as chicanos slowly forget spanish, ahmed and akamadou will slowly forget the quran and give in to pop culture.

>>77250625
It is not like entrepreneurs can calculate when market is full or not though. Even if they succeed, then what? If no investment happens, entrepreneurs' capital do not circulate in the market, and on the contrary siphon from the market as they gather the surplus value of the commodities into their piles of non-circulating money, and this situation builds up for a bigger crisis because of reasons that would take hundreds of pages to explain clearly.
If investments happen, which happens all the time, crisis happens as usual and invisible fist of the market finds itself a place in anal cavity of everyone involved.

>>77250909
>If you have the resources to stop a famine it would be unethical to ignore it, the world produces enough food for everyone, but I don't expect edgy teenagers to understand the value of human life
Tumblr user definitively spotted. I think the better thing to do would be for Africans to practice some personal responsibility and not have 25 kids on the margins of the Sahara where the soil is poor. Airdropping bags of UN rice is just rewarding irresponsible behavior.

You give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, you teach him to catch fish and you'll feed him for the rest of his life.

>I fucking bet you probably have Irish heritage
I don't, but then again the Irish potato famine also happened because they had an unsustainable amount of kids.

>>77251010
The number still is around 8 and 11%

>>77251081
What I mean is it's not exactly out of reach, it's just not seen as necessary for the average person.

>>77251049
Mexicans aren't practicing a violent medieval religion that has been at war with Europe for 1400 years. It's not a fair comparison.

>>77241548
you may be fucked by Eder but you got it.
1 point for the avec.

>>77251081
you're not understanding that a year's worth of private insurance for brits costs what many americans pay per month of coverage.

>>77241611
It makes sense. Anglos had a bunch of economist come around because of Adam smith and as such we have been free market for a long time. Those principles helped the UK conquer 1/4 of the world.

>>77251049
Ahmed is the least of our problems and a direct result of western interference in the Maghreb and ME. Sub-Saharan Africa's population growth is unstoppable and has no precedent in human history; yet the closest things to it have been devastating for neighboring populations.

How many can Europe take? A hundred million? Two hundred? I doubt anyone would recognize our civilization after a billion. Demographics are everything, as the original inhabitants of the Americas would eventually come to realize.

Ghettos are popping up in many European countries, politics have taken a turn for the worse and the sustainability of our model is at risk. For fucks sake, a reversal of the Flynn effect is being observed in nations such as France! My only solace is we'll be long dead to mourn the passing of the West, but we sure are doing our best to ensure it happens soon.

>>77251067
You can do that by drowning the place with contraceptives and Sex Ed, especially in Nigeria.

>>77251101
Maybe if your government stopped being allies with Saudi Arabia and gave them a blank check spreading Salafism and Wahhabism everywhere their violent piece of shit religion could be watered down and safely disarmed.

>>77251155
You are not understanding that this is due to the additional public system preventing people from defaulting on unaffordable medical bills due to delayed treatment or emergencies that would drive up private premiums.

>>77251020
>Brookings Institution of Health Policy
hahhaha, nice, do you know who supports and sponsors them? they have a specific agenda to overthrow the existing healthcare system. so stop shilling for them as some kind of an independent research company.

>>77241185
Capitalism is bad right Lolo

>>77251067
Blame corporations for that. Most of the reachable farming lands are used for cash crops like coffee, cacao, tobacco etc. which are eventually sold to the """civilized""" powers of Europe, America and Asia. And whenever an African country tries to change this, they get punished by a coup/religious fanaticism/racial tensions etc. I suggest taking a look at the history of Somalia and Burkina Faso.

>>77251234
i'm not the drumpflard you're arguing with. i recognize that UHS is the best option for everyone and that the free market doesn't work in the healthcare market.

just trying to tell you that brits don't avoid BUPA because it's too expensive; they avoid it and have that figure because it's unnecessary.

>>77251250
What's wrong with overthrowing the current system? It's more expensive and doesn't even guarantee universal coverage

>>77251250
>they have a specific agenda
man you /pol/tards are fucking insufferable. i'm so glad that your ilk has ensured another conservative president will never ever be elected.

>>77251250
JP Morgan, US Department of Defense, and Goldman Sachs seem pretty conservative to me

Please bless me with your non-partisan sources

>>77251282
From a perspective of a young and healthy student like the Brit that posted this it might be cheap but private insurance really comes around and bites your ass financially as you grow older later.