I'm not worried about Poland anymore. This is game over.

>>77163441
Well the Russian plants won in Poland and are taking over.They destabilized Britain and pushed them into Brexit. They failed here and in France.They are wiggling in America too.

>declares Jesus as King Of Poland
>total ban on all abortions
>clampdown on NGOs
>freedom of assembly limited
>critics of CIA detention centers arrested for corruption charges
>more and more democratic bodies being gutted or ablished

What is happening in Poland?

wtf i LOVE poland now

>>77163601
The same thing that happened in Russia, Turkey and Hungary. Polish government is just doing it faster.

>>77163601
Same thing that is happening in countries that couldn't counter Russia's touch.

Look at Turkey.Same thing happened there.
Look at Donald.He is trying to do the same but is failing spectacularly.

>>77163677
Yeah, Hungary too.

Thank god that Russia's plants failed here.

They are trying to fuck with our neighbors too.

Hopefully Macedonia and Serbia will be able to counter Russia's attempts to fuck the region over.

>>77163768
can't fuck up a country that is already fucked up to the max

>>77163601
maybe their media has become like asses and such "being nationalistic is cool and right" populism has been diffused. otherwise such things wouldnt happen in a row

>>77163800
I am old enough to remember Russia's regime.
This is not the max.

Russia is cancer.

>>77163841
Being nationalistic is right

>UK leaving EU
>Poland becoming fascist shithole

Oh boy, I can already smell the Polacks coming this way. I'd quite frankly prefer refugees and Africans.

>>77163929
t.putinbot9000
Suck Putin's cock more you imbecile.

>>77164091
>wanting to put your country before others makes you a Putin puppet
Wew

>>77163988
be careful what you wish for

>>77163929
how. practically these are reactionism. its an old concept like coming back into shit religious beliefs/laws

>>77164125
>by putting your country before others you hand it over to the dogs
Yeah, great thinking there.But i'd expect that from a Putinbot. Ready to hand over your country for a false sense of control.

>>77164135

>t. Igor

>>77163441
what does it mean

>>77164209
It means that you might go the way of Turkey and your prisons will be full of your teachers and reporters + anyone who decides to speak against your government.

In short you are fucked.

>>77164249
Stop with this sensationalism

>>77164372
t.putinbot suck off putin's cock

Stop trying to downplay everything that doesn't go the way of your Russian masters.

>>77163988
we have a big shitload of them, you're free to take them as much as you want

>>77164416
How embarassing

>>77164446
I bet you know everything about things that are 'embarassing', you being putin's whore and all.

>>77164416
Why are Eastern Europeans so entertainingly retarded?

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>>77163441
The wrong twin died.

>>77163441
There's nothing wrong with the legislature electing the judiciary, the judiciary is supposed to be answerable to the legislature.

Judges here are appointed by the Executive, and there's no hint of party-bias from them when they are interpreting cases set before them.

>everything bad that happens to my country is Russia's fault!
>t. The Butthurt Belt

>all these globalist retards thinking nationalism is bad
>Surely it is great to identify as European! Wtf do you mean Poland is being nationalist they are NOT europeans!

>>77164552
>>77164658
>gargling up on Putin's rotting cock
>>77164617
>>77164663
t.putinbot9000
Yeah, let's have all propaganda posters from /int/ gather up here.

>>77164723
t. euroshill kike

>>77164209
It means that you're going against the democratic idea of seperation between the legislative, executive and judicial branches of government.

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>“Courts in our opinion are the stronghold of post-communists in Poland,” Jarosław Kaczyński, chairman of PiS and Poland’s de facto leader, said in a recent interview with Polish online news portal Onet.

>“The Supreme Court is … protecting people who had served the old regime,” he said, adding that the judicial system is “controlled by lefties and … subordinated to foreign forces.


>NO
>THEY EXPECT ONE OF US IN THE WRECKAGE BROTHER
>Have we started the fire?
>YESH, THE FIRE RISES

>>77164751
t.putingbot whore

>>77164723
Just because you got btfo by the soviet union doesn't mean we will

Love the conspiracy theories, someone Got some proof?

>>77164663
This thread isn't about nationalism/europeism. It's about how one party is taking over Poland.

>>77164804
t.putinbots and logic
>Brexit happened
You already got fucked by them.Who do you think was funding the Brexit campaign?Who do you think is winning the most from it?

It is Russia.

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Democracy is trash anyways

>>77164853
Honestly I think your mum is benifitting from it more than anyone

>>77164832
No it isn't, it's a Euroshill whinge fest. They're making judges answerable to the Supreme Court and the judiciary at large, which is how it's done in every reasonable country.

If people here was outraged about centralisation of power and cronyism, they'd look at the European Courts, which aren't answerable to the European populace and which have already made erroneous declarations (like when they refused to allow the Council to cut their salary - deeming the 2008 recessionary crisis to be a "insufficient" crisis to warrant the reduction in salaries).

>>77164192
He's right. Lookinga after your own interests is a good idea and something many NW-European countries have somewhat forgotten about.

is this nationalism

i mean nationalism only works when its populism and maybe many poles have hyped for it and being nationalistic

but what those in powers carry out doesnt really go for your nationalism and if people dont even recognize it anymore it only goes full retard.

>>77164832
It's honestly a bit scary to watch.
There will be no checks and balances, having no independent judicary is a terrible idea desu.

A thread like that on /pol/ would be filled with alt-right tards praising whatever Polish government does as "based" and calling anyone with different opinion "cucks".

>muh /int/ is /pol/ lite

>>77164853
>Russians are behind everything
>we must support the clusterfuck that is th EU because Russians

Sorry, EUshill, nobody is falling for that one

>>77164941
I don't mind one party ruling absolutely if they have the majority. But when politicians starts ruling the judges then there is no protection at all left for normal citizens.

>being a nationalist means you're a putinbot
lmao what the fuck is wrong with the Tatar ITT?

>>77164935
The rules they are bringing in are already in place here in Ireland, yet we don't seem to be at danger of turning into an ultra-authoritarian state.

The Minister for Communications here has the right to censor the media as he sees fit, and our ENTIRE judiciary is appointed by the Government and confirmed by the Oireachtas.

>>77164832
Situation in Poland is a bit different because PiS can't rely on broad popular support unlike for instance Hungary's Orbán. Polish society is split down the middle.

That's why they have to keep pushing and can't leave any breathing room for the opposition. Kaczynski can't afford to lose the momentum.

>>77164949
You must support EU because you live on their payroll, pal.

>>77163568
>the Russian plants won in Poland
???
PiS is probably the most anti-Russian party in the EU

>>77164992
Eastern Europe is a special place.

>>77165021
If you think it's a good idea to have the only people able to bring corruption charges (Or other charges) against your political elite influneced and controlled by that same political elite then I can't help you.

>>77165149
So it's better to have the judiciary composed of (((old guard))) of the previous system?
Nigger get a grip

>>77163768
>Thank god that Russia's plants failed here
I thought your new president was pro-Russia
Also, why do you see a Russian conspiracy behind literally everything? It's time to get rid of that tinfoil hat senpai

>>77165149
I don't think you understand the role of the judiciary. The judges don't take cases against anyone, they preside over the cases being brought.

If you want to take a case against the Govt. you need to launch it as an individual (we have Government committees which are quite evenly split between parties), and the judges preside over it.

And even that does not stop corruption from happening.

Did you forget your police covering up the rape and sexual assault of teens at music festivals for almost a year?

How many of those officers do you think were charged?

>>77164992
most of far right nationalist parties in Europe are supported by Kremlin

>>77165187
Ah yes - the idea that all branches of government should be one and the same really is a good one.
I really am the one who should get a grip lmao.

>>77165197
This desu

Russian government is only exploiting a weakness that's been there already. They didn't create it.l

>>77165241
So are most left-wing socialist parties. What's your point?

>>77165108
Yes and no.
They are very patriotic and nationalistic, and most of them probably out of conviction, although some of them do have history of collaborating with communist regime and other individuals have connection to russian mafia. Whether they are tolerated out of convenience or regarded as converts is unknown to me.

On the other hand they are xenophobic, undiplomatic and proud and seem to regard EU only as a tool for their domestic rhetoric.

Russians know they have no chance to get an actually pro-russian force into power in Poland, so they settle for one that will be least cooperative towards EU.

>>77165261
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

>being chinks is nationalistic
kek at this /int/ logic or its not even logic anymore

really makes you chink

>>77165295
Hell, even pro-European social democrats like Corbyn are accused of being Russian spies. This whole Russia hysteria is utter nonsense.

>>77163841
>their media

Almost 90% of all media in poland belong to germany

>>77165238
Actually they can. Look at the US for example. The American judicary is literally looking into charges of corruption against the president of the united states.

The FBI can look into the comings and goings of the president against his will - which is how it should work.

There are people within the judiciary, at least here and in the US who can open cases against for example politicians independent of the will of that politician.

In a country, like Russia, where the courts are just marionettes to the executive branch it's impossible for the judiciary to do something like that.

>did you forget rant
They didn't cover it up, at least not in a legal sense. There is no requirement in Sweden that the police go out and say ''most of the people who did this, all look like arabs''.

The reason we found out was because policemen told alternative media on their own time, which isn't even illegal or anything.

>>77165187
While it's true that you have problems with "old guard" judges and individual corruption cases among them. Perhaps a whole lot of them.
However undermining trust in independent judiciary and leveraging this for political gain is like cutting branch you're sitting on.

I could understand if you at least made an attempt to make it seem like the reform was going to lead to an independent judiciary just pruned of corrupt individuals, but not completely collaring them by political ministry of justice.

>>77165106
>You must support EU because you live on their payroll, pal.

Only in delusional Russian minds

>>77165340
Actually I do. Sadly you're so blinded by nationalism that you can't even see the very structures that turned our countries into countries to be proud of in the first place.

Where citizens have rights that no polician can't infringe upon just as his or her whim.

When you don't have seperation there is nothing stopping you from ending up like Russia, where putin can put his political opponents in prison for no real reason what so ever.

>>77165295
Socialists aren't ideologically in line with Kremlin. Not at all. Yes it's true that parties like SPD historically were for cooperation with Moscow, but it's not that kind of relation as with the far right nationalist parties. Politicians like Le Pen are literally funded by Russia and do everything they're told to.
>>77165439
Yeah utter nonsense, wait for another country to be invaded by Russia and innocent people die.

>>77165544
Just don't waste time. People like him don't care at all about seperation of powers or other democratic ideals.

They just yearn "based" government which would btfo leftists.

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>itt

>>77163441
Don't worry, in free Poland pissings will be hanged for what they are doing right now with this country.

>>77165634
I don't mind blowing leftists out of the water, but throwing away the very institutions that seperates a democracy from a dictatorship or an absolute monarchy is fucking retarded.

>>77165544
>When you don't have seperation there is nothing stopping you from ending up like Russia
Russia is a "based" defender of Christianity and "true" European values. They are deliberately going in Russian footsteps.

Poland is becoming fascist or communist again?

>>77165439
Spies?
Not necessarily.

Stooges and allies of convenience?
Sure, why not?

also
>Corbyn
>Pro-European
are you sure

>>77165668
But this is exactly how you do btfo leftists.

Also btw, there is no single leftist party in the Polish parliament right now.

>>77165475
>looking into
Yes, brought by someone else. The Courts themselves didn't launch the cases. In order to launch a case you need to have legal standing (I can't remember the latin, it's something like locus standi).

>in Russia
Why are you presuming Poland is going to turn out like Russia? We've had the system Poland wants since 1949 and we've yet to become a Russia Lite™

one party states > democracy

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>>77163441

not now polska,

i want to sleep...

>>77165668
>but throwing away the very institutions that seperates a democracy from a dictatorship or an absolute monarchy is fucking retarded.
fucking COMMUNISTS separate democracy from a dictatorship you fuckwit?

They're LITERALLY old guard of the previous fucking system that weren't killed of or lustrated because they had (((connections))). ALL OF THEM

>>77165750
No, that sucks balls. When there is no natural threat to a ruling party's power they get lazy and corrupt really fast.

>>77165741
>Brought by someone else
Actually if they get information that indicates in any way that there is corruption they open up the cases on their own.

If you had a portfolio with definate proof of Trumps or Obamas corruption, you could send it all anon-like to the FBI and they would open a case against him and bring him to justice.

>Russia lite
Alright, so you're telling me that your president could put anyone he wants in prison on made up charges like Putin can? Without legal repercussions? If not, then you have some sort of system in place to fight against that sort of thing.

Russia doesn't have that system, or it's not working at all, because they're total shills of the executive branch.

>>77165852
>They're LITERALLY old guard of the previous fucking system that weren't killed of or lustrated because they had (((connections))). ALL OF THEM
Source on these claims?

You've been brainwashed by PiS propaganda. Believe any word they say kek.

Please, enlight me.

Poland is becoming fascist or communist?

>>77165570
Look up what stance European United Left-Nordic Green Left takes in foreign affairs. They have always tried to block anti-Russian sanctions and were opposed to Nato in general. I am talking about parties like Die Linke, Syriza or Sinn Fein.

>>77165894
Yes, to the FBI. Not to the Courts. The Judges don't launch the investigations.

>Russia lite
I think you misinterpreted my post. I've said we have the same powers that POLAND wants, and we haven't turned into Russia Lite so presuming that Poland will is a fallacy.

>>77165905
Yeah they wuz good judges n sheeeeit doing their work honestly for the last 40 years dasrite goin to church every sunday

>>77165852
So now you are taking away the very protection that citizens have against the ruling party.
That sounds very much like what a communist would want to me.

And I refuse to believe they're all communists, because every socialist of influence in Russia became a rich capitalistic oligarch after the CCCP fell.

>>77165907
National Bolshevism is probably the most accurate description

>>77165965
>And I refuse to believe they're all communists, because every socialist of influence in Russia became a rich capitalistic oligarch after the CCCP fell.
All it tells me is that there's something wrong with you, nothing else bub.

But if it helps you with your autistic reasoning, they're all wealthy people.
There are no "rich capitalistic oligarchs" because there's nothing to made "oligarch" money in here.

>>77163441
I see nothing wrong with this

>>77165852
Well even assuming that 100% people who were in judiciary are evil corrupt baby-eating communist monsters, replacing them based on ideology or personal connections to the present day management will hardly be an improvement, especially if in doing so you convince majority of populace that courts are wrong and untrustworthy.

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>>77165543
hmm

>>77165954
So your argument is basically to remove all seatbelts from all cars because just because you don't have a seatbelt doesn't mean you will crash.

Sure, it might be perfectly fine to give the executive branch power to totally control the courts through appointments and the power to get rid of judges that doesn't agree with your political agenda.

Yes, and do you think that if someone brought something like that to a Polish court in the future that court would do anything about it, when it's totally controlled by the party that appointed all the judges (and the party that can get rid of them as well)?

I really can't see how you could possibly think that's a good idea.

>>77165958
Source on your claims.

>>77166083
>Belgium
>Greece
>Ireland
>Luxembourg
>Malta
>Portugal
>Spain
WTF germans told me we're the only leeches here1

>>77163441
well here on Brazil the govment has control of Top Court (the president chooses who must control the court and justice)


the only problem is that... the court becomes veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery biased agnast people if you guys want retire your leader someday

>>77166083
>Luxembourg on the same level as butthurt belt
What's up with them? Are they secret slavs?

>>77166148
I was joking on the good judges going to church bit.

>>77166083
>no actual numbers shown

We are really not getting that much and certainly not enough to be silenced

>>77166126
>I really can't see how you could possibly think that's a good idea.
I simply don't believe fearmongering, it's utterly ludicrous.

>>77166044

Actually he's right, sort of. Russian politics is a cross between a board game and a Mexican stand-off. If you're not holding a gun to somebody holding a gun to somebody holding a gun to your head you're out.

Sweeden is very wise, listen to Sweeden.

>>77166170
You won't get $103,199 per capita GDP by spending YOUR money.

>>77166044
And now you will have another set of corrupt wealthy elites in your courts, only this time they dance to the tune of your government in everything.

>>77166069
Yeah, it's literally replacing one corruption with another.

>>77166204
It's a nonsensical graph, we're net contributors to the EU budget for the last 2 years but that graph implies we're receiving more than we pay.

>Polish leftist/communist/liberal party is a member of EPP

>>77166240
>And now you will have another set of corrupt wealthy elites in your courts, only this time they dance to the tune of your government in everything.
So the worst case scenario nothing changes, best get scenario Poland becomes a space-faring nation.

Why the butthurt then?

>>77166204
>Through 11 programmes, the Czech Republic has been allocated EUR 24.2 billion from ESI Funds over the period 2014-2020. With a national contribution of EUR 7.88 billion
>allocated EUR 24.2 billion
>national contribution of EUR 7.88 billion
hmmmmm

>>77166223
Okay.
So you have a great case to make against the government. Corruption, child-trafficing, whatever.

You bring it in front of the courts.
The courts is totally controlled by the party you're trying to charge with corruption.

Will they,
A.- Totally be into looking into their own party, the people who can hire and fire them at a will and bring justice to the top brass of your government

or

B. Bungle the case or refuse to even bring it to court or something along those lines.

>>77166264
>Nothing changes.
Actually, it totally changes. Because right now you have a GOOD system that is run by SHIT people.

In the future, you will have a SHIT system that might be ruled by good people for a while (probably not) but will be at the whim of whatever party has the majority that very second.

>>77166170
eu institutions and banks

>>77166319
There are two kinds corruption - bad, gay, communist and good, Catholic, patriotic.

Fear not
In next elections governing party will change back as always and everything will return to normal

>>77166319
>making a strawman for the sake of it
Our judges don't give any hint of party bias, yet we already use the system that Poland wants.

Watch me do the same thing you just did

>Okay.
>So you have a great case to make against the government. Corruption, child-rape by migrants, whatever.

>You bring it in front of the courts.
>The courts is totally and utterly part of the migrant conspiracy to destroy the white race

>Will they,
>A.- Totally be into looking into their own party, the people who can hire and fire them at a will and bring justice to the top brass of your government

>or

>B. Bungle the case or refuse to even bring it to court or something along those lines.

Dealing in conspiracies is not my business, sorry. You'll have to take your fearmongering elsewhere.

i dont care

>>77166367
>Because right now you have a GOOD system that is run by SHIT people.
For the last 6 decades with not a single hint of change on the horizon, and since we have to look at the lowest common denominator, it's not a good system.

>>77166380
Political corruption is literally always bad - because you don't think the higher ups will try to grab everything that isn't nailed down for their own gain if they know there is no one in the country with the power to procecute them?

Literally every dictator/authoritarian regime siphons money from the normal citizen to the political class.

>>77166367
Actually I believe they already fucked that system up over course of recent years. Making it good would take work.

It's ironic because iirc it was previous government of PiS that separated prosecutor general from minister of justice - a change they reverted among first things in power I think.

>>77166267
>over the period 2014-2020
>net gain about 16 bln €
>meanwhile the current Czech GDP is $191bln

It's pennies compared to what we make ourselves.

>>77163441
reminder that if you're against the European Union and european unity in general you're russia's useful idiot and brainwashed retard who sucks putin's cock non-stop.
the EU is the only way for europe to be a relevant and influential global power, and if you hate it you're incredibly stupid

>>77166240

Yes. It's like corruption, but made legal.

Making corruption legal.. but not really. Its hard to describe.

The Chinese call this concept Guan Xi.

I see it as the essence of civilisation. and business.

It made Rome great. Then deconstructed it.

>>77166083
>2012
5 years old data. Is there more recent one?

>>77166434
I gave you a scenario that could very well happen at any time.

In fact, it's happening RIGHT now in the US.
So instead of trying to snake your way out of responding to a perfectly valid point (because you know you can't give a good answer), I'll make it even more clear.

Let's say every court in the US was appointed by Trump, or the republicans, and that the republicans have the power to dispose of and appoint judges at any time, and charges of corruption was brought up against said party, or the president who belongs to that party, how do you think it would go?

Be honest.

Or will the fact that the US has an independent judicary help in finding the truth to the accusations?

>>77166472
PiS wants to create a patriotic elite that will have their country's national interests in mind. For that you need redistribution of wealth that's currently in hands of Jews, post-communists and anti-Polish traitors.

>>77166612
>In fact, it's happening RIGHT now in the US.
hahaha

>the russian connection!!!!

Take your two scoops and fuck off you fear-mongering retard.

>>77166612

Its.. the reality.. is not so simple as that..

>>77166449
It's a system that works perfectly fine everywhere else. I am not an expert on the situation in Poland, but to me, this looks like replacing a bad democratically ellected leader with a dictator just because the old leader sucked.

>>77166501
Oh well. Maybe the Poles wouldnt mind living under a dictatorship in the future.

>>77166589
Well, it's what happens when the ruling party also becomes the state - the ENTIRE state.

>>77166643
>Take your two scoops and fuck off you fear-mongering retard.
You are the most thick fucking cunt I've ever had the displeasure of talking to.

I don't personally believe that Trump is guilty. BUT IF YOU DONT HAVE AN INDEPENDENT SYSTEM TO VERIFY THAT HE ISN'T, if the very system that acquits him of all charges is literally controlled by him then what does it even mean to be acquited?

Best part is that you can't even reply properly any more, when Trump gets acquited by an independent court or inquiry it will actually mean something.

>>77166720
>Oh well. Maybe the Poles wouldnt mind living under a dictatorship in the future.
to be honest it's not THAT bad just yet. Despite the revolting propaganda and power grabbing "reforms" they still have democratic elections and freedom of expression. It's not fair to compare them to Russia as they're not killing opposition or journalists.
The question is - will the next government want to restore some semblance of rule of law, or will they merely swing the pendulum in the opposing direction? Moral fibre of present opposition leaves a lot to be desired.

I just hope Poland will be a decent country at the end of the day. And I'm worried what sort of shit the legacy of political corruption and populism will do in my own.

>>77166876
But a seperated system is designed to survive terrible governments. If they ever have one again, which every country will at some point, and there are no safe-guards in place against that party who knows how much they will fuck up?

>>77166562
>the EU is the only way for europe to be a relevant and influential global power

This encapsulates the Russian mind all too well. You see, people in Europe might care more about their culture and life standards than about being in some global power.

>>77166503
>EU provides half of Czechia's whole budget
>"It's no biggie, fuck EU"
Eastern Europe is a wonderland

>>77167238
>EU provides half of Czechia's whole budget

When cornered, Russian resorts to lies

>>77167015
Being a global power (or part thereof) also means security to preserve your own culture and life standards without being pushed around by other global powers. That "muh EU wants to destroy muh culture" is also a tired old meme.

You are, however, right that EU funds are not enough to keep us from voicing our opinions. No amount of money should be enough for that.

>>77167265
>The Chamber of Deputies passed the Czech state budget for next year yesterday, with the revenues set at 1249.3 billion crowns and the expenditures set at 1309.3 billion crowns
>EUR 1 = CZK 26.70
Even your undeveloped Eastern European mind should be able to peform this calculation. Sorry, pal, can't bullshit yourself out of math.

>>77167545
>Even your undeveloped Eastern European mind should be able to peform this calculation.
yours is not, apparently.

>>77167409
>security to preserve life standards
this. america putting its military bases all over the globe and tries to weaken other countries not because they are afraid of them literally attacking and invading america, but to make sure that the US dollar is still the most powerful and the dominant world currency and that america can force any other country to play the economy according to america's interests. if america falls western prosperity falls as well. but the EU can help you europeans to not being dependent on america as much as you're now.
honestly, sometimes i even think it's great that europe is just america's bitch because be europe truly independent and strong who knows what would you do. maybe you'd even attack russia like you did thousands times in the past?

>>77167702
>eastern europeans can't even "no u" properly anymore

>>77167409
>Being a global power (or part thereof) also means security to preserve your own culture and life standards without being pushed around by other global powers.

That's only true if you are dominant in that union. Otherwise you'll get shafted by the dominant members inside that union (already happening).

>muh EU wants to destroy muh culture

They are already going after guns, alcohol is going to follow in small steps because the EU is full of do-gooders with a hard-on for big central governance.

>>77167545
>1€ = 26,07CZK
>16 bln € = 417,12 billion CZK
>divided by 6 years it's going to be payble in
>69,52 bln out of more than 1200bln CZK

Maybe you should switch from cyrillic math to normal people math and lay off the vodka. It's not even a half for one year.

Aaaaa! Noooooo! After several scandals related to judges stealing pendrives, wallets or jackets the Polish government decided to reform this corporation that was never controlled by anyone and - additionally - still includes many judges who worked for the occupational communist regime!!! Noooo! The Polish democracy is clearly dying!

>>77167792
I hope you will take this opportunity to memorize that percent means 1/100, not 1/10.

>>77167774
>muh ameridollar meme
You're not entirely wrong, but the currency conspiracy theories are garbage tier.

>>77163441
>Nationalist takeover while Germany, EU, and likes are destroying the West

>Faggots think this is a bad thing


I am glad Poland will survive. I hope they invade and kill Western Yirup

>>77167838
Holy fuck, a eastern europeans who knows how to perform a basic calculation. I'm impressed.
>It's not even a half for one year
Yeah, just a third of your entire country's budget. No big deal.

>>77163568
>Well the Russian plants won in Poland and are taking over.
>>77163601
>>total ban on all abortions
>>clampdown on NGOs
>>freedom of assembly limited
>>critics of CIA detention centers arrested for corruption charges
>>more and more democratic bodies being gutted or ablished
literary none of these things happened, unfortunately all German NGO can still operate here, eugenic abortion wasn't banned, demonstrating post-communist officials may still attack random people, many corrupted politicians are still free etc. etc.

I'm not going to comment on Poland since I'm clueless but the "Russian conspiracies" are often true, we've seen it in the Balkans and the USA elections are looking more and more interesting...

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>>77168015
>conveniently glossing over the fact it's divided by 6 since it's for the period of six years

You got schooled, boyo

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>>77163601
>What is happening in Poland?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3ZUvURpwEU
Ave Maria brother

>>77163601
>total ban on all abortions
Factually wrong.

>>77164192
So you would prefer to have German fascism (EU) over Russian fascism then?

>>77167914
>conspiracy
that's not even conspiracy. in almost any country the us dollar is considered the most stable and reliable currency to keep your savings in.
in russia for example the main three currencies are russian ruble, us dollar and euro, and almost any agency or financial consultant recommends to have your savings in dollars since it's almost impossible for it to collapse while the russian ruble for example is extremely unstable and may crush any time

>>77167838
>That's only true if you are dominant in that union. Otherwise you'll get shafted by the dominant members inside that union (already happening).
It's true you can get fucked by a majority, but at least you have some votes and can form coalitions with other voters that could suffer from similar shafting. This option is not open to you when confronting a big player in isolation.

>guns
guns are good example of retarded and misguided do-gooder initiative, but not so much of culture subversion. Part of those euro monies are spent specifically on cultural events, historical objects and neglected landmarks.

in respect to that the common market regulation is more harmful when it interferes with specifics for local products, but there's geographical protection labelling shit to mitigate that.

>>77164617
The worst thing was that before the reform judges were completely uncontrolled here. Only this year we had one judge who stole a wallet, one judge who stole several dozen pendrives at supermarket (his wife did it too), and one judge who stole a jacket, not even counting many cases with drunken judges driving cars. Unfortunately they have extremely strong legal immunity so basically unless their colleagues allow to prosecute them, they are literary untouchable.

>>77165038
>PiS can't rely on broad popular support
>source: my ass
Yes, they can. They have more support than anyone before them.
Why is an antifag from Slovakia so concerned with Polish politics anyway? Mind your own damn business, your cunt has a literal Nazi party.

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>>77168213
We had Russia fascism(USSR) and it was hell.
German fascism(EU) we are having right now and it is miles better.

Glory to the 4th reich.

I highly doubt a country like Russia can orchestrate some master plan to install puppet leaders in all their rival's country's. They have an economy the size of Italy's ffs. This is just hysteria that literally is like the Red Scare all over again.

Bow down in front of your masters.

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>>77168454
>I highly doubt a country like Russia can orchestrate some master plan to install puppet leaders
>american flag
ahahahaha

>>77168228
yeah, but you still got it backwards: dollar is considered respectable because US is dominant power with massive and diverse economy, good relations with rest of the world and track record of not nationalising shit, not the other way around.

>>77164941
The only bad thing PiS did was allowing too many Ukrainian immigrants to come and work here, but even this example shows how "xenophobic" is this government in reality.

>>77168521
You realize the head of CNN and news anchors were caught on video admitting the Russia shit is just bullshit they do to get ratings.

>>77168079
Youre fucking retarded if you seriously believe all this fake news propaganda being shat out all over the internet and television.

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>>77168568
>the Russia shit is just bullshit they do to get ratings
I guess this was made up by the CNN too?
>look up sourcing
Oh wait this is coming from juniors tweeter...
Really got my neurons firing right now.

>>77168390
Well then enjoy your flood of niggers and cultural annihilation, Boris.

>>77168454
It's much easier to break a vase than to put it back together.
It doesn't take big investment to feed malcontents and lend support cynical populists.

And they don't even need to be literal micromanaged puppets, it's enough if they stir shit up a bit on their own.

Nihilistic and superficial culture, and shortening affection span, are only making the job easier. You can literally weaponize memes.

>>77168657
Youre beyond help if you actually believe cnn.

>>77165038
>Situation in Poland is a bit different because PiS can't rely on broad popular support unlike for instance Hungary's Orbán.
PiS is the first party that is able to form its own government without any coalition. No Polish party had comparable support up to this date and according all surveys they are even stronger now than during the last election.

>>77168534
It's respected because we have a big fucking military that will fuck you up if you don't trade with it. Our economy is all smoke and mirrors now, everything is just financial industry. If countries started trading in something else beside the dollar we would collapse, it's why we bombed the shit out of Libya, Qaddafi was going to create a currency for Africa so they could leverage the rest of the world in trading their resources. Which for western countries is unacceptable since African resources have always been dirt cheap for the entire economic relationship we've had with them.

>>77168710
Go and check his tweeter you ass.

>>77168682
>Nihilistic and superficial culture, and shortening affection span, are only making the job easier. You can literally weaponize memes.
That's the west's fault for killing any and all spirituality for consumerism.

>>77165570
>Yes it's true that parties like SPD historically were for cooperation with Moscow, but it's not that kind of relation as with the far right nationalist parties
>As Chancellor, Gerhard Schröder was a strong advocate of the Nord Stream pipeline project, which aims to supply Russian gas directly to Germany, thereby bypassing transit countries. The agreement to build the pipeline was signed two weeks before the German parliamentary election. On 24 October 2005, just a few weeks before Schröder stepped down as Chancellor, the German government guaranteed to cover 1 billion euros of the Nord Stream project cost, should Gazprom default on a loan. However, this guarantee had never been used.[60] Soon after stepping down as chancellor, Schröder accepted Gazprom's nomination for the post of the head of the shareholders' committee of Nord Stream AG, raising questions about a potential conflict of interest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der#Gazprom

>>77168728
>le african gold backed dinar
truly the worthy challenger of American supremacy. After the nefarious nigerian heritage scam backed securities this was the last straw. So much that America had to send their French cat's paws to dispose of the Qaddafi mastermind.

>>77168714
Orbán won super-majority. Twice.

>>77168844
You didn't make any argument for why it's not true. It literally would have killed us, at the very least significantly reduced our economic hegemony. Africa would have actually had a way to benefit from their resources for once. The way it is now dictators just practically give it away for free to the west so they can get support to stay in power.

>>77168753
>retarded, autistic bydlo shapes his world views with fake news and literal twitter posts
How fucking stupid can you be?

>>77168947
Pretty sure Ruskie butthurt belt meme is quite accurate in this instance.

>>77168245
>you can get fucked in the ass but hey, atleast you can say no before you do

Even when dealing with big players, you can pick your poison.

>cultural events, historical objects and neglected landmarks

and EU propaganda for schools.

That's ignoring the ginormous clusterfuck that is €uro, 28 nations with 1000 years of violent history and unsettled grudges, the fact many people tried to unite Europe already and it was awful, the disgusting pat-on-back nature of the EU officials, the undemocratic nature of the EU parliament (for pan-European elections, there should be European people but there are none of those save for humanities students and Brussels executive) and whole slew of economic issues.

>>77163686
Nigga, you missed Trump visit in Poland last week. We are 100% US of A. Clap, clap,clap

>>77168861
That's why he was able to enact his own constitution. PiS had to resort to blocking the Constitutional Tribunal.

>>77168978
Sadly its not just gopniks falling for this bullshit nowadays. Too many retards believing the horse shit that big media (and FOR PROFIT media) feeds to them.

>>77169002
fucking this

Man, for an ebul fascist state we're surely having a lot of guests
President of US of A last week, Britbong royal pair next week

>>77169082
It's just feeding their biases. My dad has always been a bit of a partisan democrat but now he's totally jumped the shark. Watches MSNBC all day every day not even kidding.

>>77166472
Anon, some of literar communist murderers fled to Sweden, they are protected by your judges, while you are talking about "check and balance" as if your judiciary system was worth a dime:
>Stefan Michnik - born 28 September 1929 in Drohobycz (Second Polish Republic, now Drohobych, Ukraine), captain Polish People's Army, is a communist former Stalinist judge operating in postwar Poland; implicated in the arrest, internment and staged execution of a number of Polish resistance fighters.[3] Accused of communist crimes. He lives in Sweden.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Michnik

>>77168714
But PiS won thanks to 500+ and low voters turnout. Take that and they lose. They have biggest and strongest iron electorate, but if they do too much even they will lose.

>"Poland is fascist gaiz xDDDPPP"
is this going to be the retarded meme of the year 2017?

>>77169256
I seriously hope so, i'm sick of polish stereotypes in the west

>>77166170
Because they're a tiny country home of some biggass EU institutions with shitloads of pencilpushers.

So on proportion to the size of the country, the EU spends a lots of monies here.

So it's not really the same as others countries like the butthurt belt, that receives subzidies to build some shit or fund some programs: it's just money that is used to pay the EU administration.

>>77168945
>You didn't make any argument for why it's not true
You didn't make any argument for why it is.
Even assuming some catastrophic event that would suddenly stop international trade in dollar would bring about short term turbulences at worst. If anything, it would fuck over people you owe to much harder than it would fuck you.

>>77169002
>Even when dealing with big players, you can pick your poison.
You're drawing a false equivalence. Voting power and option to appeal to treaties gives greater say than threat to waive hypothetical bilateral agreements.

>EU propaganda for schools
it seems it's doing a pretty shit job then.

>€uro
was done poorly, and rather than poorly it should not have been done at all, I'll give you that.
>28 nations with 1000 years of violent history and unsettled grudges
>the fact many people tried to unite Europe already and it was awful
Not relevant in the least. Learning from past mistakes is good, abusing history to justify rivalries not so much.
>the disgusting pat-on-back nature of the EU officials
what is that even supposed to mean?
>the undemocratic nature of the EU parliament (for pan-European elections, there should be European people but there are none of those save for humanities students and Brussels executive)
What's undemocratic about voting for representatives from your area? It's actually gotten more democratic recently with introduction of spitzenkandidats.
>and whole slew of economic issues.
which can be addressed by fixing dysfunctional regulation, rather than reintroducing protectionist barriers to trade enterprise.