Are Americans really dumber than us Europeans?

Poor public education,but the abundance of wealth has led to USA housing the extremely stupid and the most brilliant

they are spending money on elite which was originally given to the poor

Normal people have no business knowing 90% of science. unless you have like 120 IQ its a waste of time.

Imagine having to share a school with niggers and latino's.

>>76913505

>Poor public education

White Americans score better on PISA tests than Europeans. Asian Americans score better than most Asian nations.

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>>76913381

No,you people are fucking retarded.

We provide defense of you then you fucking flood your countries with young muslim/african men for "cultural enrichment"

Thank god trump is no long putting up with your bowl shit. i bet you weak ass Europeans wish you had a leader like trump

>>76913505
This

>>76913723
>White Americans
Why are Amerifats such special snowflakes? Literally no other country does this.

Americans can find a high paying job without literally having a college degree, that's why a lot of them never go to college. Lots of immigrants from my country have become relativel rich by just being mechanics or construction workers or plumbers. Truly the land of the free... and stupid.

>>76913749
because you're not a multicultural shithole yet. when you have 16% hispanics and 16% blacks you tend to disassociate yourself from them. that's why you punk ass

>>76913723
>White Americans score better on PISA tests than Europeans.
No wonder.
Pisa is literally autism contest and not real science

>>76913736
Oh fuck off back to /pol/. Your bullshit has nothing to do with this thread. All you're proving right now is that Americans may in fact be retarded.

>>76913854

No were not, Europeans are retarded. They destroyed their countries in world war 1 and world war 2 and now their destroying themselves again.

Americans always think they are the number 1 in the world in everything, which keeps them from improving their system. While they could just look at how other countries do things.

>>76913381
well they are so stupid, they even imported a nazi to build a rocket

>>76913674
Are they really that different from turks and morrocans?

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>>76914021

We are a global super power and were dumb?

>>76913381
>Are Americans really dumber than us Europeans?
yes
>Then how come they have all those Nobel Prize scientists?
they're all immigrants

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>>76914132
>and were dumb?
>were
your Honor, exhibit A

another great question
why everyone who came to america as immigrant.......
their next generation is more stupid than the ancestor?

It's honestly true. People here tend to choose what they want to learn and believe so long as they live in their own little bubble

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>>76914360
because the kids are american already
it's like the land is cursed or something...

>>76914264
the lack of self awareness in that post is amusing. everyone makes wild incorrect claims about america

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>>76914173

LMFAO, you had me lawling bro.

>>76913723
>White Americans score better on PISA tests than Europeans.
That is because of jews

>Asian Americans score better than most Asian nations.
Doubt

You post is complete bullshit.

>>76915289
ill be entirely honest and say that I dont know anything about asian test scores but it actually makes sense that minority asians in first world nations would score better on average than those in their home country as countries like the US and most western EU countries are massive brain drains and usually attract the smartest and most ambitious

>White Americans score better on PISA tests than Europeans
nope

white americans score worse than: estonia, finland, liechtenstein, polan, netherelands, switzerland (all of these countries don't have segregated values against which you're comparing for immigrant populations so your claim is double-, maybe even triple tier bullshit)

>Asian Americans score better than most Asian nations.
nope

they score worse than shanghai, singapore, hong kong, yet at the same level than japan, korea, taipei, so no, they score about the same as real asian students

>>76915476
Your "Asian scores" is probably heavily influenced by scholarship students coming from Asia though, they are already cream of the crop in their countries before arriving in US.

>>76913381
on average yes.

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>>76913823
Wonderfully shart-tier post

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>>76913381
Yes, they are

>>76913381
Dumber? No but a portion if our population is willfully ignorant of science. Despite that we are still 25 in PISA for science which is just above Austria and France.

>>76917541
>implying im wrong

dumb canuck

>>76917587
remind me again what percentage of americans don't think evolution is a thing?

>>76913381
Yes. Just look at their president.

>>76913723
the quality of a public school is dependent on how wealthy the local area is. public schools in rich suburbs have flatscreen tvs on the walls, while ones in urban areas are, well you know.

>>76913749
Fine. Even if you count all Americans, we still score better than almost completely White European nations. Our problem isn't education, it's people who choose to be ignorant for either religious reasons or the subculture they belong too.

>>76917692
>Trump is dumb
Wrong.

>>76914126
I've never interacted with Turks or Morrocans but on average neither blacks or spics are all that intelligent. Also, Blacks commit a ton of crime per capita and if you live in an area with a lot of spics, your news that doesn't involve black criminals will involve spics trying to grope children.

t.NYCer

>>76917704
and that, even tho it sounds like a really benign description of the shituation, is why you suck at this whole pisa thing. you're never gonna get good results if you segregate the poor to shit tier schools and the rich into elite (private) schools

>>76917722
he believes he only has a set number of heartbeats and when he uses them all up he's dead. this is why he doesn't exercise.

that pretty much defines being dumb.

>>76914136
>Then how come they have all those Nobel Prize scientists?
>they're all immigrants
But they aren't. 100 in the total haul (all subjects) of 350 went to immigrants in a country that currently has about 45 million foreign born citizens. Some of the immigrants also came as kids and we're educated here.

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>>76913381
Yes, but not by much anymore, since we become more American by the day.

>>76917645
I don't know look it up. It still ties into the willfully ignorant. They have been presented with evolution but instead choose ignorance based on religion. It's more a product of nurture from their family than nature or opportunities.

>>76918043
The problem with the image is that it assumes the quality of science has changed and that the majority of philosophers today are of the same quality as the historic greats.

>>76917598
Yes, niggers and other dead weight minorities are solely located in the United States. No country in Europe has ever had to cope with multiculturalism. Thank you again for enlightening us, cowboy.

>>76918281
Those are not the words of people who are criticising the current state of philosophy from an educated position and you know it

>>76913381
>muh science is the most important thing ever

Fucking stemlords make me sick

>>76918072
It happens in latinamerica a lot too, due to being heavily influences by christianity

>>76920026
Except that most of Christianity has no problem with evolution, it's only American evangelicals.

>>76913970
*we're

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>>76913381
We're much smarter than Europeans, actually. New York City alone has more world class universities than all of Eastern Europe combined. We have the most living Nobel Prize winners of any nation on earth. Your daily life revolves around innumerable American innovations and scientific principles discovered by American geniuses. You constantly consume our culture to the point of dependency, your pic related

We're your intellectual superiors in literally every single respect.

>>76920445
even the belowest of low american is an ivy league student or nobel prize winner: the post
it's time for bed

>>76920560
Our public universities like UVA, University of Washington, UC, are also better than every single academic institution in your entire nation's history. Fact of the matter is, even our third tier state schools are more advanced than European schools and responsible for more research and innovation than anywhere else in the world

>>76920445
>We're much smarter than Europeans, actually. New York City alone has more world class universities

More than 50% of PhD students in STEM subjects at American universities are foreign born(even higher at pure Ivy League schools).

American universities don't primarily recruit their brightest heads domestically because your secondary education system is failing you.

>>76920445
>this meme again
Stop posting that shit map. It means literally nothing. English speaking universities are privileged in global rankings because English is the lingua franca. This ranking is under heavy criticism because it tries to measure how "American" a university is, the US system is used as a benchmark. Different systems perform worse in this ranking
Like, there's not a single South Korean or Chinese university in the top 100, this list is completely biased bullshit. The more you post it the more it proves how dense you are.

>>76920673
>shit map
*shit ranking

>>76920628
keep foaming muh duude

>>76920673
Btw, agree with this guy. Most research in Germany is done at independent research institutes like Max Planck Society, Robert Koch Institute, Fraunhofer Institute, etc.

So any comparisson between American and German universities is pretty stupid.

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This is how American students perform. It's not that bad but still below OECD average. Definitely not No.1

>>76920669
>More than 50% of PhD students in STEM subjects at American universities are foreign born(even higher at pure Ivy League schools).
It's actually much, much, much lower at elite schools. The foreign PhDs are almost exclusively studying at institutions like the Wisconsin State University of Appleton because they want to go back to their home country bragging to employers about having attended an American universities

>>76920673
This ranking was created by a Chinese university under commission of the Chinese government, ya fucking retard. If you don't know what the ARWU is then clearly you're too stupid and uninformed to judge what it is measuring

>>76920754
>most universities in Germany are too incompetent to fulfill their role as centers of learning and innovation
Neat, that's probably why they're considered inferior to American universities

>>76914264
omg that is so true. It seems to me when they don't know anything about it instead of saying "I don't know" they just make stuff up and say it with the biggest conviction in the world that what they're saying is true.

>>76920954
>This ranking was created by a Chinese university
So fucking what? That doesn't change the fact that the way this ranking measures universities is biased towards the US system.

>>76914523
America is basically a great big Rorschach test for the rest of the planet. What they hate most about their own nations is what they immediately resent in America

>>76917580
Please, tell me this isn't real. WTF!

>>76921088
The "US system" is simply the world's system. If your nation is too low IQ to keep up with Asian and American standards then accept your mediocrity and put your effort toward trying to improve. Envy and hatred for your superiors is ultimately hurting Germany's failing academic system, not helping it

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>>76921187
My nation has a higher IQ than yours.

>>76921187
If you guys are so good at everything why did you need 2 germans to make your moon landing program. Einstein. Von Neumann was Hungarian. There are more examples but I can't remember right now.

>>76921345
Einstein wasn't involved in the space program.

>>76921345

Average German IQ: 101
Average American IQ: 98

Average east Asian IQs are ranging from 102 (China) to 108 (Singapore). America is not even close to east Asian standards.

>>76921408
I know. the 2 germans I'm talking about is Von Braun and some other dude I forgot the name. Einstein and Neumann were just more examples

>>76921450
Goddard

>>76921278
Yeah, the PISA is not an IQ test. Do you know what an IQ test is? PISA is a standardized test measuring basic high school skills which is extensively prepared for by fifteen year olds to compare education policies between countries. It doesn't measure intelligence, it measures the effectiveness of secondary education systems. Clearly you do not have a very high IQ because I shouldn't have to explain this

>>76921542
You don't know what you're talking about but the Pisa results still indicate that the American education system is not as effective as you claimed to be since your students are doing worse than a lot of their international peers.

>>76920673
All of the smart Korean and Chinese kids go to school in the US

>>76921981
see >>76917144
Real Asians from east Asia perform better than Asian Americans.

>>76921981
Lol no. A lot of the Chinese kids are ones that couldn't make it back home so their parents basically send them here as last chance measure.

>>76913505
kek lithuanian shithole dares to judge our education system that you only heard about on /int/

>>76913786
this is one most retarded thing i read today on /int/. you win a prize, faggot

>>76922098
Laughing at (You)

>>76921135
See, that was an IQ test. Yours is very low if you believe anything you see. That fake pic has been posted too many times.

>>76922299
I questioned if it was real meaning I didn't accept it as truth.

>>76920673
>under heavy criticism
by who? butthurt euros? not surprising really

>>76921345
If we're not so good at everything, then why did all those Germans come to America and not anywhere else?
Brazil took on a shitload of former Nazis, what the hell did you do with them? Why are you not a global superpower.

>>76924315
Because you had an operation specifically to capture the scientists from there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

>>76924361
>this enrages and confuses the European

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>>76924361
IQ is just a number. When we look at has been done with IQ we see the jewish that are seen as non-white are the last bosses of intelligence. Right now the best mathematician is an dark asian
>Terence Chi-Shen Tao FAA FRS (born 17 July 1975) is an Australian-American mathematician who has worked in various areas of mathematics. He currently focuses on harmonic analysis, partial differential equations, algebraic combinatorics, arithmetic combinatorics, geometric combinatorics, compressed sensing and analytic number theory.
Lady gaga has an high iq and she has done nothing with it.

>>76924361
A Fields medal brown guy teaching advanced math to gringos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHO7plsEhHM
Fuck your IQ numbers

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DUDE....SCIENCE.....LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>76924362
I didn't read your link but you are right, the Russians had the same plan after WWII but we beat them to that so they had to bring lower level German scientists to work on their missile program. But also some high profile Germans including Einstein fled voluntarily to the US long before the WW2 ended.

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>>76924570
>brown
Hey, he is my cousin
We are white

>>76924570
>he doesn't understand the fundamentals of statistical distribution

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>>76920445
>American Universities

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>>76913381

>>76922350
By non amerilards

>>76926072
Fuck off Gauss with your distribution

I can just count them individually

>>76917722

The Smart Croatian.

>>76920445
>My uni is on the list

Feels good maaang

>>76913674
This from the neanderthal lands.

>>76920673

Because they give points for having good handegg sporting facilities, varied in-campus cafeteria menus or le famous ameriresearch labs (that few of the actual students ever partakes in except for being shown around) and shit like that.

Here it's pretty common word among students to go abroad to x uni and find out that courses and subjects are way lighter in content and easier to pass than in spanish unis.

>>76913970
>No were not
we're*
>their destroying
they're destroying*

Also, do you really think that your president and government have power?
For God's sake, the world is controlled by transnational corporations and the wealthiest bankers.

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>>76913736
>trump is a good president guys

>>76913786
>Americans can find a high paying job without a college degree
Lmao, maybe in 1950, but definitely not now. The only way to make it without college is to either start your own business(which will probably fail) or try your luck with a trade.

>>76918338
We are literally 56% white, no country in Europe even approaches that.

>>76929795
That depends on what you mean by "college", which is the problem and this push to just go for "something" or your going to be living under an overpass.

Most people would be better off becoming an electrician or plumber than getting some meme liberal arts degree where if you're lucky you get some shitty paying job with social services.
These general terms like "college" and "education" are thrown around all the time but there is a massive difference between doing a STEM degree vs a humanities degree.
The majority of college attendees these days are women doing joke degrees, most men who don't think they can deal with the amount of math and shit it takes to get most good degree just become an electrician, plumber, HVAC guy and wind up making 50k+ a year pretty fast that way.

>>76918338
No European country has to carry the amount of deadweight that america does

>>76914067
Wait, didn't an American (Robert Goddard) invent the liquid fueled rocket in the first place?

>>76930085
Being an electrician or plumber is a good way to totally destroy your knees and spine by 50. Seriously, crawling around in tight spaces all day every day will fuck you up.

After Sputnik was launched in 1957, Life Magazine ran a cover showing a stern-looking Russian schoolboy reading a textbook next to a picture of an American teenager falling asleep in class.

Well guess who landed on the moon and who didn't.

>>76930388
Landind on the moon was the only notable achievement by USA during the space race

>>76913381
Immigrat here and I can say that the reason for this is because they have it way too easy in public schools.
In my old country we had math shoved down our throats, you would never hear a phrase as stupid as "im bad at math xdddd"
Im in a basic chemistry class in college now, and I can hear every other student complain about basic algebra. Blows my mind how someone can be "bad at math" since it just takes practice, but half the country is "bad at math" so no one feels obligated to learn it.

>>76913381
No, were equally as stupid.

We should aspire to be like our Asian friends. (Not the cheating Chinese).

>>76930740
Fuck off immigrant go back to your own country

>>76932294
I imagine how impotent you must feel with all that rage but unable to do anything about it. So sad.

>>76932294
lol sounds like sonebody is bad at math

>>76932320
>>76932450
Fuck off monkey and immigrant go back your own country

>>76932581
Why? I like it here. Is there any reason why I should leave? Will anyone force me?

>>76932581
>Fuck off monkey and immigrant go back your own country
All that impotent rage. lmao
You lost, my man.

Finns are not Europeans

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>>76919602
If understanding our place and purpose in the universe isn't the most important thing ever then what is?

Hell you could even say that since human got sapience it's our innate purpose to try to understand everything around us. In turn making science the most important thing to us at the core of our being. We always seperate ourselves from animals because we can understand our surroundings on a deeper level. Thus the only reason we aren't animals is because we have the ability to conduct science and use that to bend the rules of nature and reality to our will.

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>>76930613
:^)

>>76913736
>t_d is so retarded, you can't even tell bait posts apart from serious posts anymore

>>76913786
>Americans can find a high paying job without literally having a college degree
>76% of the people barely get by paycheck to paycheck

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>Europoor inferiority complex

Americans have the greatest scientific organisations.

>>76913381
They have money buy all scientists. All programmers go to silicon valley.

>>76913736
>god trump

yes, good goy. don't forget to pray to israel today

>>76929795
why do you bother explaining something to these retards. they don't know shit about this country and how things work there. all their "knowledge" comes from memes and shitposting on /int/. but nevertheless they always want to share their important opinions with us .

>>76943195
^This.

>>76920445
>finish Harvard
>claim that the Sun orbits the Earth

>>76917704
>public schools in rich suburbs have flatscreen tvs on the walls, while ones in urban areas are, well you know
Yes because niggers can learn calculus if only they had it in 4k resolution

>>76935639
>LITERALLY has to use Russian shuttles to even get into space now

great organisation indeed

>>76918338
>dead weight minorities

>>76930740
immigrant here as well and you are full of shit.
i am actually russian and there is a meme about "russian education" which is total bullshit. public schools here vary in quality.
also, in some european cunts, "dumb" kids and "geniuses" get segregated early and go to separate high schools. here everyone goes to the same school. yes, it is the same physical building but everyone picks their own classes. so if you are dumb you can totally avoid difficult stuff. but if you are smart and want to study, there are tons of resources to help you succeed. it is just a different system. nothing wrong with that.

>>76943319
actually i think 4k res is detrimental to learning calclulus, particularly limits.
you will keep zooming in, but you will never get to see the infinitely small delta due to hi res. so you will get confused and chimp out and smash the fucking flat screen with a baseball bat.

americans are the most superior beings in the world

>>76943442
>"geniuses" get segregated early and go to separate high schools
Aside from Special Ed (which Americans have too) and sometimes even-level classes (which means in High School the strongest kids study in the strongest class), we don't have much differences.

The difference is that American curriculum is decided at the state-level, and sometimes the state representatives are notoriously corrupted by private-school money. Search about Betsy Devos.

>>76943319
You can't really learn well when there is one underpaid, underqualified teacher for 30 students and said teacher has literally no hierarchy behind him, "muh niggers" or not
"muh minorities" is just a convenient excuse for failing public services.

>>76943590
are you talking about france?
what about germany or nethelands?
i am pretty sure the concept of gymnasium exists in other countries as well

>curriculum is decided at the state-level,
i don't know the details so i am not going to argue about that. but can't you understand that if you get to pick your own classes according to your own "track", you essentially build your own curriculum? you can even take AP classes for college credits. to me it is totally irrelevant who creates the list of available classes as long as i can pick everything i need. does that make sense? also, you can always pick a better school by moving to a better neighborhood. it works really well here: good schools attract more affluent residents, making the area better and safer and so more people want to move there, and schools get better etc.

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>>76913736
>le moosleeems
>le cultural enrichment

All this coming from a country which is less than %60 WHITE

HAHAHAHA

>>76943442
Well you just described my observations perfectly. American schools allow you to avoid math, science and whatever you "fear" which is why so many grow up and dont know anything about these subjects.

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>>76913381

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lol

>>76943940
France, yes.
There are 3 categories, General Bac, Technical Bac, Professional (= vocational) Bac.

But even within the General Bac classes, sometimes you subdivide between the good and the bad.

>>76944097
ah sure the average adult around the world surely remembers high school math and organic chemistry he took for 5 years some 20 years ago (and cheated on tests too which is commonplace russia). let's face it, if you don't go to college, you will lose all your "knowledge" in a year or so. hey there are also tons of college grads with meme degrees who will never work in their field of study and forget everything they learned.

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>>76913723
Americans as a whole score better than many Europeans.

>>76944840
that's low considering you're wealthier than most of the countries above

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>>76913381
Americans are fat, stupid and owned by Jews.

>>76944840
America is pretty good for elite training and do have the best unis in the world.
We're talking about the average level of education, how educated is the everyman. In this regard America is a lot worse than Europe.
Even culturally you look down on knowledge and learning.

>>76944946
PISA is pretty much rigged to make Hong-Kong and the rest score better.

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>>76944946
I'm so proud

>>76944946
>checks flag
Expected.

>>76944999
>how educated is the everyman
Well, he is STUPID

> America is a lot worse than Europe
That's what /int/ wants you to believe.
The average European is dumb as fuck because people are stupid in general.
But surely you can cherry pick and find some anecdotal evidence on both sides.

>>76945031
Yes, cherry picking cities is unfair.

>>76945242
any stats that i don't like are unfair.
seriously
that's why there are so many different "sources" and ways to gather and interpret them

>>76944999
Who gives a fuck about """""""""""average"""""""""" yurotrash

>>76945942
It matters because that's how most people work, vote and behave

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>>76934068
And we still won space race
RU
SS
IA

Europe consists of 50 countries that means there is no "average European", each country has its own education system. Look at this >>76920918

>Euro countries that perform better than America
Estonia
Finland
Slovenia
Ireland
Germany
Netherlands
Switzerland
Norway
Denmark
Poland
Belgium
UK
Portugal
Sweden
France
Austria
Russia
Soain
Czech Republic

>Euro countries that perform worse than America
Latvia
Italy
Luxembourg
Iceland
Croatia
Lithuania
Hungary
Malta
Slovakia
Greece
Bulgaria
Cyprus
Romania
Moldova
Montenegro
Albania
Kosovo

It's pretty balanced imo.

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And don't forget that PISA is not the only international student assessment study out there, there is also TIMSS which indicates that American students perform better than most European ones.

>>76944910
Those other countries don't have to deal with immigrants and other groups of people who just end up lowering the scores.

America is also huge, with many different states.
Taking averages of the entirety of America is like trying to find the average EU scores.

Southern scores take down scores from the northeast, just like eastern europeans underperform western europeans.

If you were to just take the north east, education scores would rise to about nordic levels almost.

>>76948597
>muh niggers
>muh states
>murica is big
You're the richest country of the world, you could solve this problems if you wanted to.

>>76948718
Most public education funding is done by the states.

Not every state is as rich as you think.

>>76948810
Which is why being unitary instead of federative and having a national curriculum has its advantages.

School here are also funded partly by départements, mainly infrastructure. The state pay the teachers and give bonuses for teachers in hard zones.

>>76913381
Considering that we didn't ban fucking lead products until the 70s, yes.

>>76947542
by that logic there is no such thing as "average American" since they have many more states than you listed which have their own laws and regulations and culture

>>76948597
>Those other countries don't have to deal with immigrants
Yes we do you fucking mongoloid.

>>76949240
Not him but we do have a national curriculum. Republicans are trying to get rid of it though.

>>76949961
Isn't Betsy Devos lobbying to get rid of it ?
By the way, how does a woman who wants to get rid of public education get appointed to do public education.

>>76948597
>eastern europeans underperform western europeans.
Yeah, not really true >>76920918

>>76948810
>Not every state is as rich as you think.
>implying
Estonia or Slovenia are not rich either, and yet our educational systems are not bad.

>>76950331
Basically everyone trump appointed to department heads hate their own departments. Rick perry wanted to get rid of the department of energy now he heads it. The head of the environmental protection agency doesn't believe in climate change. Trump's pick of secretary of labor was going to be the fucking former CEO of a fast food chain who didn't believe in min wage and unions. They basically want to tear up any aspect of the state that isn't defense.

>>76930085
I would never be a tradesmen in a state with shitty workers laws.

>>76950428
how come there is little correlation between various test scores and GDP of those countries? in other words, if you are smart why aren't you first world yet? does that have anything to do with cherry picking students who take those tests?

>systems are not bad.
nobody's system is "bad". it is all memes.

>>76951578
Those countries are first world, for their population size and land.

>>76913736
agreed, trump is a good president

earth is flat. research it.

>>76949720
An American state isn't a country you fucking moron. Otherwise we'd have to say there's no average German and we'd have to compare teh score of Germany per Bundeslände