/lang/ - Language Learning

>>76895939
>What language are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Find people to train your language with!

>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

>>76895939
>>76896036
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

>>76896908
¿Qué te parecieron las canciones de ayer?

I'm trying to learn german, I'm at the very start, I'm having issues finding out how to tell when "sie" refers to she, they, and the proper you. Is it purely context based or is there any way to distinguish?

How do you find the energy and focus to study and learn a language?

>>76899156
Just a little bit each day, even 15 minutes, just do it daily and make it into routine.

>>76901611
I try this but after a few months I always end up neglecting it until I don't study anymore at all. I need a foreign gf or something

>>76901967
Try the language exchange sites mentioned earlier, watch movies, read books/comics/whatever in the language you're learning, play games in the language, listen to radio in it, choices aplenty. Just absorb the language, even passively, as much as you can.

Trying to learn French from scratch. So far I've downloaded Rosetta stone and Assimil New French with Ease. Do you think this will be sufficient to gain a basic understanding? Planning to revise 2 hours or so a day.

>>76897912
Yeah, you look at the verb my American buddy

Yo I'm from /cp/ culture pals and honestly I'd recommend trying interpals for foreign exchange. I have a spain spanish qt messaging me in spanish which is helping immersion, and every once in a while I get a faroe qt to message me with grammar tips and pronunciation tips.
Just don't go on our general, they use it purely for getting nudes.

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>>76903781
I think I'll give it a try

>>76899156
I was taught english in a institute, but I learn to comprehend it by consuming media in said language. Once you have the basics alright just start watching videos of any topic that you like, play vidya on the language to learn or just visit forums and see how the natives speak. Academical environment it's good but involving yourself in this way is incredible effective. Also try to practice orally, I ended up understanding and writing decently but I speak with really bad pronunciation.

>>76903781
>nudes

All right, I'm in

>>76903781
Has anyone ever found love there?

>>76908275
Some people from /cp/ got married but they were super autistic.

>>76908351
Are you fucking serious!?
I need to use it asap

>>76908275
I talk everyday with a Russian cutie. Wouldn't say its love, but its a nice ego boost knowing there is someone out there that thinks you're worth talking to.

>>76908275
Are there any cute 日本人 grills there?

>>76903315
Rossetta and Assimil will help you a lot in the beginning, specially to be able to distinguish the sounds of the language. After that they pretty much become useless, though, in my experience.

http://www.thepolyglotdream.com/learning-more-than-one-language-at-the-same-time/

Mandatory to read.

>>76911870
Interesting. I'm too overwhelmed with 日本語 right now to add another language on top of though.

appreciate you posting these threads, lad :)

>>76897651
estaban bonitas gracias

I mostly know the Cyrillic alphabet and can sorta butcher pronunciation
what next lads

>>76916293
You're probably learning Russian, so have fun with the grammatical cases

>>76916338
ho boy I haven't got anywhere near that, last thing I learnt was the voiced and unvoiced consonants malarkey

>>76915291
うまくいってるのか?

話し相手が欲しいなら付き合ってもいいなんだけど。

>>76916381
you using duolingo and all that?

personally, the further along i got, i felt like i didnt pick up on the grammar fast enough and got a little weighed down by it, so I had to specifically search for the information about the cases

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK7vjKGoE96qjeAE2EdtUrA

when you're ready check out this lady, her video quality is quite poor, but the information is really good and she teaches in an easy way, that helped me at least

I am still a russian pleb, though lel

>>76916293
>>76916338
No, do verbs first

>>76916416
(//∇//)
Two weeks of studying and all I could get from that is that the top one is a question thanks to the ~か ending. Time for すどく

>>76916381
http://www.russianforeveryone.com/

this is a good one, too

>>76916566
>just learned alphabet
>verbs
He's not ready for this shit

>>76895939
Been learning Russian. I think I've got a decent grip on pronunciation and can make my own sentences, but my vocabulary is very limited.

>>76916164
Me alegro

>>76903781
Is it an app you chat through, or do you just exchange info and then chat on kik or email or whatever?

>>76918194

you can chat on the website, i think

you just send each other messages through your profiles

>>76918234
Cool. Might try it once I get to a semi conversational level.

LIFELINE
DON'T DIE

>>76920903
¿Qué planes tienes para el fin de semana?

>>76921288
probablemente tocaré baloncesto y seguiré aprender nuevas palabras

>>76916627
>two weeks of studying
Ah, sorry about that. I'm used to seeing people who're studying Japanese to be several months into the undertaking already.

To be honest, nothing I said was easy enough to be understandable after two weeks of studying, so good job figuring out what you did.

>>76922288
>tocaré baloncesto
The verb used for sports is "jugar". "Jugaré baloncesto" would be correct.

>seguiré aprender
This formation actually requires the gerund for the main verb ("aprendiendo"). This is actually similar to English "I'll continue learning".

I hope you don't mind corrections, I love getting corrected myself when I'm learning a new language.

>>76922615
thank you my drug mule friend

>>76922464
It's all good man, eventually I'll be able to understand it.

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I want to learn too many languages for my own good.

I want to get to a basic level at dozens of them, just for that instant gratification, just so I can look at every (relevant) script in the world and not feel 100% out of touch with it. I don't want to speak Swedish, but I'd like to know what's going on when I look at Swedish, Polish or Icelandic text.

Is anyone else afflicted by this particular feel? I still have target languages at which I want to get proficient, but they are not as many.

>>76923739
At least I think there's a Brit with something similar. He may show up at some point later, he's a regular of /lang/

>>76899156
idk, sometimes i'm really feisty, and sometimes I just want to give up and tell everybody to fuck off, but I always come back to improve it

>>76903315
focus on the tenses...

Hey I wanna learn Russian

I'm too much of a worthless lazy idiot to ever learn a language, but I'd be more than happy to help anybody who's trying to learn French.

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I'm ready

>>76896908
H-hola

>>76897912
Just check the verb, my boi. If the verb is conjugated as it would be for wir then its most likely Sie/sie (you (formal)/they)

>>76923739
I'm like that too! I have a main 5-7 that I'm actually learning head-on, but I have around 20+ that I'm studying the basics and scripts for.

Have been learning German for 3+ years now (2 yrs in high school, but i started picking it up before then),

Russian for probably a month now (however those hard and soft signs still confuse me),

Mandarin Chinese, Korean & Japanese for a few weeks now (interest picked up recently with new job and having fun writing in the languages - all very basic knowledge with korean being the one i know the least about),
and Spanish (because Im gonna run into it anyway, so why not?)

So far Ive been enjoying learning non-latin based languages. Its a very fun challenge.

Any tips for russian, mandarin, korean, or japanese?
I use duolingo and Lingvist for russian
I use Chineseskill and HelloChinese for learning chinese and so far theyve been pretty good. I have no apps for learning Korean (yet).
With Duolingo adding Japanese I have never been happier. I used Kanjistudy to learn Hiragana but Im stuck on memorizing Katakana.

>>76926018
Will you put it up your bum?

>>76926546
No
You should

>>76926018
I was going to make 2000 or so flash cards but then I realized no pencil of mine would last that long so gonna have to buy few more of the same color desu.

>>76927273
For what language?
I'm using a note book to start learning Russian

>>76926174
You sound like you already went ahead and did some study, can you elaborate on how that works for you?

I'm pretty autistic and feel like if I learn even a dozen words from (say) Russian, I will be tainting my regular language learning of Japanese with clutter/noise. Even though I have no problem learning thousands of memes or fictional characters every day, studying new languages' vocabulary/grammar feels "wrong".

Coping with this bullshit aside, how does juggling languages work for you? What do you know and how much does that help?

>>76927308
For Swedish, good luck on your studies senpai.

>>76927494
Thanks, you too!
>>Spanish is easy, remembering the accents is just annoying

>>76927755
Para eso está /lang/

>>76928185
Y /lang/ Es El Niño do Díos

>ctrl f norwegian, norsk
>no results

ok bye

>>76895939
Hello. I've kept my language learning a secret until I can surprise people with my ability, but the people around me are wondering what I do in my time and demanding I do other things and it's bothered me so much that it's slowed my learning down. Although OP seems to be right, does anyone have suggestions?

>>76927443
I felt the same too in the beginning when I was learning German and I started picking up Russian. It was kind of like not having enough room in your head for more than one or two languages and the other seems to fade quicker the more you lose focus on it. The i before e rule confuses me now because I studied german for so long I try to pronounce ei and ie as if it were a german word!

Figure out what your main languages are so that theres no confusion in the future. I often want to add another language that has peaked my interest based on sound, caligraphy, or whatnot so I try to keep it 6 at max and boot the ones i've lost interest in. The rejects of the moment are put on the back burner for a later day of study.

One thing that has helped me juggle multiple languages is having a big binder with dividers to show which languages you are tackling head-on. Or if you'd prefer a divided notebook of sorts to separate and write in to avoid having to open up the binder and put paper in, which is what seems to be working for me at the moment.

Also dont forget to have a target level you want to achieve in each language! (Iirc A1 is beginner and C3 is absolutely fluent - feel free to correct me on that anons) I find that I become discontented with my studies when I dont have a specific goal in mind. The skys the limit but at the same time, youre less motivated because theres endgoal so youre just floating about grabbing vocab here and there, y'know?

Anyway, hope this helps, future polyglot anon!

>>76928273
It bothered you so much it slowed your learning down?I don't know how to help with that, maybe say you are playing video games, watching sports... or just disregard people and acquire langesthetics that's a solution too.

>>76928392
It's not just that slowing it down, but there's very little 'support' in general. I can't get a book either because I'm dependent on others and never ask for anything.

>>76927755
>remembering the accents is just annoying
If you mean when to use á é í ó ú, I'd reckon it's actually very easy, especially compared to a sister language like Portuguese.

This video can help you with the rules for when you're reading: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw5i-RQKcEY (skip to 5:40 for the relevant bit)

It basically only left out that the accent marks can be used to break up diphthongs (like "María", which has three syllables, while "Mario" has only two).

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>>76928336
>future polyglot
That might be really close (2 years max).
I'm fluent in English and Portuguese, Upper Intermediate in French and Intermediate in Japanese. In the future I'd like to learn Russian, Finnish and Romanian (not sure about the priority order).

Some languages I have curiosity about, though, are Mandarin, Cantonese, Arabic (standard), Icelandic and Mongolian.
With that I should cover every unique aspect of grammar (cases, ideograms, tones, SOV/SVO, etc.)

Do you know Laoshuu? He's an American dude who speaks over 50 languages, but they're all pretty basic - he learns some greetings, approaches foreign-looking people and try to engage in conversation. Lots of videos on YouTube.
I don't like his approach very much because he's basically cheating by creating a "script" of possible questions/answers that always come up and doesn't seem to go beyond that point, where he can actually talk about trivia outside of this controlled environment. But it's damn fun to watch him surprising people with his skills and getting a kick from the whole experience, probably what inspired me in the first place.

What I've been thinking lately is to use a "most used words" approach based on the 80/20 rule. It could be done with multiple languages instead of one. A native English speaker knows around 25k words, so if I would aim to know just 2000 "most used words" from each target language of mine (that amount covers around 80% of all text), I could learn more than 10 languages for the space of just one!
In terms of time, that's about 3 months learning 20 words a day (done that with Japanese for over 18 months, and it's way harder than most languages because ideograms). Then there's grammar, that should be solid at least on the fundamentals to allow for some improvisation.

How about you, which ones are you working/have worked on, or plan to? Had opportunities to use them?

>>76928948
I've come to the conclusion that learning Mandarin is one of the best things you can do to improve your Japanese. Remembering the Japanese pronunciation is very easy, and associating it to the Mandarin pronunciation (and meaning, which you absolutely require when learning Chinese) allows you to master all the 漢語 in Japanese, of which there's a ridiculous amount.

Then again, learning Mandarin is also a ridiculously tasking endeavor.

>>76897912
Sie with a capital S means 'you', sie with a lower case s means either she or they, you have to tell by the verb ending (-en for they and -t for she)
Zum beispiel
>sie schwimmen = they swim
>sie schwimmt = she swims
>Schwimmen sie? = do you swim (sir)

I cant think of a context where you'd have to tell someone that they swim so you'll probably never have to say "Sie schwimmen" as in 'you are swimming (sir)'

>>76922288
tocar only means 'to play' in the english sense of 'to play an instrument', otherwise tocar means 'to touch' and the term for play is jugar

>>76926058
hola amigo
es chicano?

>>76929309
How well do you know Mandarin and Japanese?

>>76932314
>Japanese
I speak it fluently but have about high school level reading comprehension if I don't have access to a Kanji look up tool.

>Chinese
lol almost not at all. Just the very basics. I was making some progress a few months ago, but things came up and I kind of stopped.

Tärve

Olen Ruotsalainen. Minä juoma oluut

>>76922288
Ya veo, dale duro.
>Que números tan bonitos

>>76933599
>Tärve
>Olen Ruotsalainen. Minä juoma oluut
>Need I am Swedish. I drink the oysters

What?

>>76934806
Olen Ruotsalainen = I am Swedish
Minä juoma *olutta = I drink beer

I think

>>76933599
Moi! Minä myös aloin opiskella suomi. Sinä olet opiskellut pitkään?

>>76937234
*oletko

>>76937234
Only a few months

>>76933599
Terve
Olen ruotsalainen. Minä juon olutta.

Nationalities are written with a small first letter.

>>76937234
Moi! Minä aloin myös opiskella suomea. Oletko opiskellut pitkään?

>>76937778
Kiitos

>>76928273
What language are you learning?
Sometimes the people who care about you the most are the ones that also drag you down and stop you from growing the most.

>>76928948
No I havent heard of Laoshuu but he sounds interesting. I wouldnt take his approach because I like to savor and appreciate the language like a fine meal and not just rape it and steal what i need from it quickly (thats just how I see it t b h, but the technique Im describing is generally torturously slow and requires a lot of patience with yourself and others), but I can respect it as a way to quickly pick up vocab using a cheatsheet when youre about to visit that country in a few days. I just wouldnt use it for long term language learning.

See this post ( >>76895939 ) for which languages I'm currently learning.

As far as opportunities to use them my job allows me to hear from people all over the world (I work at an amusement park) so ive mostly heard languages like Chinese, Japanese, Arabic, Hindi, Spanish, and a few others I probably know but dont hear too often. Its been an interesting way to practice listening comprehension for Chinese. As far as german goes, I write back and forth with my old german teacher in german and Ill occasionally run into a german gamer and make friends and talk in german and whatnot.

I can see the memorizing the 2000+ most common words working well just so long as you practice making your own sentences with them.

>>76940867
Meant this post >>76926517 dammit lol

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The Fluent in three months guy is also a helpful source if you wanna try to learn a language within 3 months

>>76895939
Question about norwegian, what's the difference between folelser and folelser. Is it a nynorsk/bokmål thing or a dialect thing?

>>76941903
fölelser is the bokmål word for feelings
kjensler is nynorsk for feelings

In Swedish we say "känslor". My guess is that fölelser came from Danish and since nynorsk was made specificaly to be unlike Danish, it has kjensler instead.

>>76941167
>3 months
Isn't that a meme?

>>76943158
he makes some good points occasionally. bit of a hack though

Always feel like I could work harder when I'm learning, but always get a bit burnt out after a while

Do you get this?

>>76933004
how many languages do you speak?
>>76946864
sort of, when i've been studying a language for days, i always get bore, so I stop. I manage it, by stopping one day when this boredom feeling fill my journey.

Okay, i go to try "Hellotalk" wish me luck.

>>76943158
>Isn't that a meme?

Trust me isn´t a meme, i meet a portuguesse who do this, is just talk 24/7 in X language.

>>76948321
I can speak Spanish, English and Japanese fluently.

I can speak enough French and Portuguese to communicate, but I'm far from fluent.

And I know the basics of the basics in Mandarin, German and Persian.

>>76897912
If Sie is capitalized like this it is proper you. Only for writing tho

>>76903315
Assimil is an audio based course

For grammar, you could use any grammar book (the Michel Thomas course is a nice way to grasp grammatical concepts through the same speech learning methods like Assimil. It's more comprehensive, in my opinion. And the booklet is solid)

For vocabulary:
Clozemaster
Anki
And the unconventional. Something rarely anyone here follows up on, but it could be a boost:
http://www.anglo-norman.net/gate/
http://www.anglo-norman.net/sources/

It is the bridge between your target language and your native language. One simple enough to allow you to expand your French vocabulary. Naturally, you'll have to have "Wiktionary" in the other tab, just to see if the spelling matches with the Modern French. Sounds like extra work, but it really isn't

>>76948492
Good luck, tell us how it goes for you

Please rate my Spanish pronunciation. I read >>76952899

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>>76929309
Hey, yeah, sometimes I get myself "knowing" Chinese (at listen written) because of my kanji knowledge.
I want to tackle Mandarin, but I'll give at least a few years interval before doing it after I learn Japanese, because I don't want to get the languages too mixed up.
It looks like a way easier language to learn because the writing system (and grammar) is way more regular, the only obstacle I see lies in tone pronunciation, which shouldn't be a problem with the correct approach of doing a lot of shadowing. It's just a steeper entry level, but then things seem to flatten out.

>>76940867
>>76940928
Thanks for the insight. If you want tips on how to learn Japanese, that's the best covered language on 4chan, just go to >>>/int/djt and read the guide - that's how I've been learning and I'm estimating 3 years to become proficient enough to say I know the language.

>Duolingo in Japanese
That one is getting a lot of bad press, I do the opposite course they've had for awhile (English for Japanese speakers) and it is way better, but you'll need to know a lot of vocabulary. Give it a shot after you're done with your EN->JP tree, you'll see the difference.

>I can see the memorizing the 2000+ most common words working well just so long as you practice making your own sentences with them.
Absolutely. One thing I do very little is learning stock phrases, because I am not in a rush to learn my "core languages" and grammar can sink in comfortably. But for the most superficial ones, I think getting the rhythm/contour is even more important than understanding grammar points.

>>76946864
Guy who's been learning 日本語 for two weeks here. Staying motivated by looking for bands with cute girls in them and imagining myself talking to them someday. Let your dick guide you.

>>76953373
I replied at romance languages thread...
I said "bastante bueno, pero te falta fluidez"
8/10

>>76949870
hey, cool. How did you reach fluency? I need some advice.

>>76956742
Yeah, I saw it. Is there anything in particular you can point to?

>>76959161
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1yasDX39ARu
besides fluency, I would like to remak that you should work in the pronunciation of "r", it sounds quite forced, you need to make it more natural. You also mispronounced the words "acuática" and "afiebrados"

Keep going everyone!

>>76961682
If you're the Colombian who gave some French tips, just'd like to add I got them. Thanks.

>Began learning Japanese 3 months ago
>Mostly learning Kanji through WaniKani
>Learned basic Grammar through Genki 1 and Jap. The Manga Way
>Starting University in October, working towards a 2 Subject Bachelors in Information Processing and Japanese Culture
>Didnt have any interactions with Japanese people yet, but overheard conversations and understood some keywords
>I watch Dramas regularly, barely any animes

Before I started studying Japanese I was at a pretty low point in my life. I had no sense of direction where my life should be headed to. I was trying to get a Bachelors in Computer Engineering but I hated every single minute I had to sit in Lectures listening to the Prof talking about pointers and objects.
I was considering just living off of McDonalds minimum wage.
Thanks to a rather simple incident I found motivation in learning a new Language and it gave me an idea of where my life could head to.
I was selling stuff on eBay classifieds, and this dude came 50km all the way from another city by public transport just to buy a Dutch Textbook off of me. We talked a bit and he told me he was majoring in Psychlogy. I was really impressed by this guy. Majoring in Psychology and trying to learn a new language aswell?
I immediately started looking up Languages I could learn. Japanese instantly struck my eye since it was one of the hardest languages for westerners to learn. So I watched some Youtube Videos about the language, looked up learning resources and just started doing it.
Japanese keeps me going because of all the Kanji. It just never gets boring to me to strike up my RTK1 or WaniKani app to learn more and more of those weird squiggly lines.

Now Im here waiting for the Semester to start.

Languages are great.

I've given up on learning Japanese because it doesn't seem like it's worth the effort and time

>>76966222
It helps to restore your brain's plasticity and think in a completely "backwards" way, being the most distant language from English.
It might not be useful, but it will set the bar VERY low for any other language you ever try to learn.

>>76966362
>It might not be useful, but it will set the bar VERY low for any other language you ever try to learn.
The problem is that it's the only other language that would have some use (japanese shitposting, music, media, no subs)

>>76966546
Then your problem is with learning languages, not Japanese. Try out some neighbor threads about having a girlfriend (male).

Currently learning Portuguese by reading online newspapers and writing down and trying to pronounce words I don't understand.

Right now I'm listening to a Russian radio, it helps with pronounciations

>>76966791
Why Portuguese?

Holyshit it survived saturday bump.

>>76956813
Listening to the language a lot. Once you already understand the language, if you're able to just get your ears used to the sounds of that language, you'll eventually be able to imitate those sounds.

And when you're imitating the sounds of a foreign language, there comes a point were words just flow together rather seamlessly. As long as you have someone to talk to at this point you're good to go.

>>76953441
The writing system is indeed easier in Chinese, which is rather counter-intuitive but Japanese is just that fucked up when it comes to writing and reading.

Grammar seems simple, but it gets surprisingly complicated with some constructs. Then again, I consider Japanese grammar quite easy so maybe I'm just better at synthetic languages rather than at analytic ones.

And while tones are a challenge, I think the most difficult part in Mandarin is the phonology. Learning to differentiate and produce the differences between sh, zh, x, q, ch (etc.) is definitely more difficult than differentiating and producing the tones from scratch. You might have a head-start with that due to Portuguese having some of those sounds, though.

>>76971870
Won't say I can tell the difference just looking at the written consonants, but yeah, I generally find vowels to be hell (can't sound native in English because of them).
Spanish having no (or little) V/B/W and S/Z distinction, plus no J (zh) might make thinks hard. I'd imagine trying to forget about voicing and worrying about aspiration (like the P B differentiation) can suck sometimes.
How are you going about it? Lots of audio, I suppose.

>>76953441
>shadowing
Can you explain what is this, please?

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>>76965986
Good job anon

>>76972894
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdheWK7u11w

>>76972288
>Spanish having no (or little) V/B/W and S/Z distinction, plus no J (zh)
what are you talking about?

V/B can have the same sound or a different one depending on the accent, ok, I can give you that. In Spain it has generally the same sound, although some areas still have the original different sound for each one. In Argentina they have it too.

W -> web -> sounds like "güeb", not like V or B

S -> Sara
Z -> Zara

J -> Jota
G -> Gota

Jesus Christ, south american spanish is the worst version of Spanish you can learn. It screws up our language. Don't shit on Spanish just because in SA they all talk like snakes and have shit grammar. #NotAll

>>76928521
Why dont you have cash? Neet?

>>76973279
Most of my contact with Spanish is based on South Americans, yes, and it's not unusual to hear bueno pronounced just like "weno", their bilabials and labiodentals can get so merged it's not even funny.

As for the J sound, I mean the voiced version of "sh", like the S in "treasure".

>>76975727
I see. I apologize for my aggressive post, I'm having a tough day and I lost it a bit, I'm sorry.

>>76966850
How is your Russian?

>>76973279
Are there any words where /v/ /b/ /β/ are distinguished?

Anyone know the best place to start learning Punjabi?

想在我可以说一点点中文跟日文让后希伯来文英文跟我不知道俄国人的讲话名字是什么-/-
anyone studying mandarin?

>>76978939
Somewhere in your neighborhood.

>>76979367
I do, I couldn't get half of what you said tho

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>>76965089
Never miss a day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssA4Pht5Moc

>>76978773
All three of them? I don't recall.
There're a few accents that pronounce V and B differently, but you can just do the same sound, it'd be the most logical thing to do.

I got access to my sisters Netflix. I wonder if she's gonna notice the Turkish series and movies I'm going to watch.

>>76984310
I once had an over 200~ day streak, I missed one day and I said: "yeah, fuck this shit", and didn't come back after that. I was so pissed with myself

>>76986027
Probably, you better finish them before logging out

>learning turkish
for what purpose

>>76986408
You could say that about every language. It's fun, let me.

>>76986793
Turkish diaspora?

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>finish russian duolingo tree
>still no russian gf

wtf i hate learning russian now

>>76987016
Thank god not

>>76987090
Пpивeт. Кaк дeлa?

>>76987420
spasiba vsio haracho

>>76987495
Пoчeмy ты пишeшь нe нa киpиллицe?

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>>76987266

>>76979718
Underrated kekkle

>>76987266
Yet there you are, learning Turkish

>>76972288
Yeah, there's an anki deck with a ridiculous amount of recordings that I've been using to hone my hearing.

>no (or little) V/B/W distinction
What.

V and B have been the same in (what is now) Spain since Roman times, sure, but W is never confused with either of the two.

>>76973279
You don't know what he's talking about.

When he says "no S/Z distinction", he means that there's no voiced version of "s", which is what is normally represented with a "z". He's not talking about the Spanish "th"-like sound.

And when he says "no J", he doesn't mean that Spanish doesn't use that letter, but that we don't have that sound (voiced "sh" like the "s" in "pleasure"). Rioplatense Spanish uses it sometimes for Y/LL, but they've started devoicing it recently.

Unsurprisingly, it is always the Spaniards who know little about how linguistics work the ones that complain the most about Latin American Spanish "ruining" the language.

>>76908351
I got curious, could you tell the stories?

>>76910244
>日本人
holy fuck i actually understood that.

>>76994742
やった!

>>76995943
i'm learning mandarin not japanese.

>>76996246
Well shit, good job still.

>>76996325
xiexie ni

日本語を表面上に勉強してるけど、何ヶ年も教科書マジで読まなかった

勉強せず日本語を覚え続いてることは知らないけど、わすれなかったのがありがたい

この頃、忘れないのために日本語にゲームをやる。

>>76978523
I just started like this week so it's shit and I have poor motor skills so me writing is bad, but I'm going to learn no matter what!

>>76897912
>Sie brauchen
>Sie braucht

thats how you tell the difference.

Also, if you use DuoLingo, use it on the computer as much as possible as they have grammar sections opposed to the phone app.

I really want to learn a new language because I need to start working on myself so days stop drifting by while I feel like shit. I'm waiting to get back to work but it might take a few more weeks so I can get a headstart. Problem is I don't know what to learn.

I am fluent in English and French. I can get by with Spanish and Portuguese but I have no real interest into furthering my studies of those, it's kinda boring tbqh.

I'm kinda thinking Dutch because I think it sounds a lot better than G*rman but it's kinda useless. Worth it? Not really sure what other options there are. I tried Russian like 2 years ago and never again, what a freaking nightmare.

>>76987674
You can actually turn cyrillic off on duolingo and use latin alphabet instead, which he probably did

Can someone please recommend Latin learning resources. Books primarily but I'd also love to hear about any audio/visual things

>>77000895
I'm kind of in the same boat. I really want to learn a language but I can't decide between Spanish or Dutch. Spanish would probably be easier and more practical, but Dutch seems like more fun to me. Outside of the internet and the NL/Belgium though it's pretty useless.

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bump
/learning spanish listening to gipsy kings/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZwEE2s3qxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZwEE2s3qxE

>>77003156
what's with all those comments in there like "I can feel the singer music universal language no translation needed"

that's kinda weird

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>>77004072
normies man

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>>76895939

Convince me to continue learning japanese, i dropped it because i never really had a real reason to study it( it was just to impress a now exgf) and i dropped it because my uni had shit lang teachers

I can take the N5 exam this year and continue by myself but i cant really find a reason apart from money and raw media

>>77004414
I thought the reason people learned japanese is the inexhaustible wealth of media, you got books, shows, films, all super popular and hip and TONS of them, high quality shit, best entertainment of the 21st century.

Hey, how do you start a language club? I am not in uni anymore

Should I buy a white poster from the grocery store, write "LANGUAGE LEARNING CLUB" on it, and then sit in a cafe with my poster?

>>77004646
Try Meetup.com I've been to their language exchanged and hikes sometimes

>>77002198
>Can someone please recommend Latin learning resources
Kinda hard to say without knowing your level. When you say "books" do you mean textbooks or Latin works to translate from?

If you're a total beginner, then I'd say Wheelock is considered to be practically the default Latin textbook right now. I really like it, but some people think its teaching style is a little outdated.

>>77002224
Not useless :((((
You can also use it in Suriname and on the terrible Dutch threads on /int/

>>76993153
You have no idea of what you're talking about.
http://www.abc.es/cultura/20150109/abci-desde-cuando-distingue-castellano-201501091114.html
>En el castellano primitivo, entonces, la «b» representaba un fonema oclusivo sonoro bilabial y la «v», labiodental. Sin embargo, «la diferenciación se pierde pronto en el norte de Castilla»

However according to you, ever since the "roman times" b/v already had the same sound even though the difference began to disappear in the north of Castile when Castilian already existed.

What do I know, hey, it's not like when I was in highschool Latin was mandatory for 2 years and op for 4 and we are explained those things over and over again both in "Lengua Castellana y Literatura" and "Latín" during our years of school. It's not like we could also have Greek.

Yeah, judging by that basic fact I think I'm going to ignore your opinion on linguistics and how "unsurprised" you are.

>>77005012
What was it like? Is it a bunch of normies?

>>77004414
I believe the guys from DJT could help you more on that aspect

>>77005605
A bit of everything, and of course not always young people. I remember a Canadian woman who shared she had been in a Christian sect, kek

>>76997071
頑張って!
ゲームするのはいい考えです。その方法でならたぶん覚えた単語はもっと覚えやすくなると思うんだ。
ところで、今時はもうタエキムのガイド読んであると思うけど、違うのかな?

>>77002224
To my understanding, Dutch is one of the easiest languages for English speakers to learn, so it would probably be easier than Spanish.

But yeah, both will have around the same difficulty.

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Studying spanish irregular verb conjugations.

>>77005454
First of all, you would be "correcting me" on history, not on linguistics. And you picked a statement that I made to the other guy, instead of actually proving me wrong by demonstrating that you had understood what he'd said when you went on your tirade against "South American Spanish" (which doesn't exist).

Given that this is not the first time that I see a Spaniard confused about what people mean by a "z sound" or a "j sound" (hint: it never means that we have separate phonemes denoted by those to letters, it always means whether we have the specific phonemes /z/ and /j/ in our language), and that your answer to him was just giving examples (which would be useless anyway because he'd have no idea how they're pronounced in Spanish), I'm fairly confident that the reason you didn't do that is that I was right and you hadn't understood what he was saying.

In any case, you're still wrong about your history lesson.

http://en.antiquitatem.com/felices-hispani-quibus-vivere-est-bibere

Now, I'll give you that the phrase has a disputed origin that might be (and probably is) much more recent than Roman times. But at the very latest, the distinction had already been lost to an extent by the time of the Visigoths, as confusion between both letters was already showing in writing. This is definitely before Castilian started existing, because this is even before the Islamic conquest happened.

I know you assume we're jungle dwellers or whatever, but contrary to your expectations, we do get a mandatory "Language and Literature" mandatory that goes over all of this as well. Not that it really matters considering doing your own research is way more valuable than passively going through mandatory classes.

>>77010086
It must be fun learning the preterite conjugations for "ser" and "ir" when Spanish is not your first language.

>>77010251
>those to letters
two*

>>77005454
>>77010251
Hey, everyone, SPIC FIIIIIIIIGHHHHTTT!!!

I'm kinda guilty for starting it, but I'm not touching the arguments as I have little knowledge on the language. Just would like to point the mentioned J in "llama" (flame) is the voiced version of ch, not sh.

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>>77010291
yeah lol I try not to get annoyed at things like that

>>77010947
This is just like when I learned French.

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How do you use flashcards?

I'm using Duolingo and Lingvist and words I struggle with I've been making flash cards... but now I have a bunch and keep forgetting words from day to day. Are you supposed to just make like ten and then learn them really good? Should I stop progressing on Duolingo until I get my flashcard/trouble words perfect?

>>77012645
anki, free on pc and android
Continue Duolingo and flashcards at the same time.

protip: many duolingo decks are already premade.

>>76996246
nihao wo de guoji youren

>>77013035
I looked into that but couldn't get accent marks to work. Everywhere else/other software if I press and hold e,o,etc. it brings up a menu for me to select what accent mark I need.

Don't die yet

Hey guys, does anyone know if there's anyway to bypass activation codes for Rosetta Stone? I've torrented the French version but I can't find any activation codes within the downloaded files/pdf manual and I can only do 2 lessons in each block without the codes. Any help would be great.

>>77015719
On the tracker I see it on for the "complete" pack the instructions are:
1) Connect Internet
2) Install Rosetta Stone 3.4.7.exe
3) Do not let the application run at the end of the install
4) Overwrite the original RosettaStoneVersion3.exe with the RosettaStoneVersion3.exe in the patch folder to the directory where you installed Rosetta Stone
5) Start the application and enjoy.

So is there an exe file someplace you can overwrite?

>>76996246
讓你想

>>77016748
Can you link me the version you downloaded? The version I got just has data, documentation, languages and speech files. These are separately for levels 1-5 but I can't find any exe files anywhere.

>>76984310
¿Qué es eso?

>>77017270
>>77016748
Think I may just have an incomplete version. Really need to get Rosetta stone sorted though as it's one of the few resources I can get at the moment as my internet isn't too reliable.

>>77017270
It's a private tracker, so the link wouldn't do you any good.

I didn't download it, I use Pimsleur. I tried Rosetta Stone a while ago and didn't like it.

>>77010291
Honestly it seems to be easier than English. Our to be verb is way more irregular.

>>77017479
Would you recommend pimsleur over rosetta stone? Pimsleur seems like a good option as it doesn't rely on internet.

>>77018053
Yes, and that seems to be the general consensus on /lang/. It's all about tools that work for you, and everyone is a bit different, but Rosetta Stone seems to spend more effort marketing their product than making it better.

I'm learning Spanish and using:
Pimsleur (no internet required)
Lingvist (internet needed to grab the app, but I just used it on a 9 hour plane ride and it worked flawlessly so it must download everything and just sync results/data)
Duolingo (I haven't tried this without an internet connection, so not sure).

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>>77012645
Have a look at Duolingo's flashcard website called Tinycards. They've made flashcard sets for some of their courses.

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>>77012645
>>77013035
>>77018398
Good lord. Is this the state of millennials? Do you have to use software for everything? Just buy some notecards. Do a few at a time, then once you know those, add more cards, then more and more. When you struggle with a card, take it out of the pile and make a new one. Then the "hard cards" you can focus on. When you are strong with those, dump them back into the main pile and run through it all again.

>>77017789
I mentioned those two verbs because they're exactly the same in the preterite.

Also, I'm not sure what you're talking about, given that there's like four or five irregularities for the verb "to be" in English (depending on how you count), vs a gazillion for "ser" in Spanish. I'm not trying to make this a competition but I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to.

>>77010462
>Just would like to point the mentioned J in "llama" (flame) is the voiced version of ch, not sh.
It depends on the dialect. Argentinians use either voiced "sh" (older generations) or unvoiced "sh" (more recently). Costa-Ricans (and I think some regions in Spain) make a "dj"-like sound which is probably what you're referring to. Some people basically just use glide.

>>77018899
>It is bad to make your life easier by using (easily replicated, easily updated, easily corrected) software instead of creating physical cards.
How's it going, grandpa?

>>77019522
The act of making the cards is part of the learning process. Plus you can study outside or in some other position rather than hunched over your """"""battlestation""""" or mobile device.

Computers are amazing tools, but for some things consider the old way.

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>>77018899
>>77019874
>wasting time, money, and paper just to make flashcards
>carrying around hundreds of notecards held together by a rubber band just to study outside

>>77018899
At least bash millennials for the right reason: relying on DUMBPHONES to learn anything.
Everything you mentioned can be done on a PC with greater efficacy and more resources (like image, audio, even videos if you feel fancy).

I'm missing a few files in my assimil French course. Would this be an issue/affect learning at all? As far as I can see the lessons can be taken on their own but would like someone's input.

>>77020208
Oh wow so difficult and expensive!

"""""""Simplicity"""""" through complexity. You take something extremely simple to do, and then create some stupidly complex way like software and cloud syncing for bloody notecards.

>>77020269
It's a dumbphone app for flashcards. Look, someone is travelling and don't want notecards...whatever I get it. But the original guy was asking about how to use notecards to learn and everyone was recommending software instead of actually answering the question. If he doesn't get >>77018899 then how does the software really help him?

>>77002159
>You can actually turn cyrillic off on duolingo and use latin alphabet instead, which he probably did
What's the point in learning then? Fucking gaijins, blyad.

>>77021336
I don't even know man, my Russian is shit but I would never type it in latin script, shit looks disgusting

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Why would this be frías rather than fríos?

>>77023451
mano is feminine

>>77023579
Oh shit. Thanks.

Also the language apps seem to call a company "empresa", but when I read the translated stuff at my company (most of our employees are Spanish, so I've been reading the spanish and english versions of text), they always use "compañía"

Is there one that is more natural to use?

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>>77020743
software saves you the trouble of having physical stuff being in the way and getting lost, tells you when you should repeat, and overall just makes life easier. not using it to your advantage just because "those damn millenials should get off my lawn" is plain retarded, my monolingual friend.

>>77013315
>hello we are international people
did i get the right?

>>77017137
>讓你想
no idea. need to work on my characters.
the middle one seems familiar :D

>>77020743
it wouldn't surprise me if actually making the cards yourself helps learning

>>77027232
>we
I didn't say "wo men"
guoji you ren = foreign friend
wo de guoji you ren = my foreign friend
also the middle one is ni3

>>77027419
wo de, not wo men.
see that now.

just got home after a long day, not at peak performance
ill eat and so some language exercises before going to bed now.

i fuggen hate apps, but Chineseskill seems pretty useful.
you guys tried it?

>>77027419
>>77027232
It's pretty hilarious, guys. Your "communication" is so efficient.

>>77027587
I haven't tried it yet
>>77027611
thanks

>>77027611
>language learning on 4chan
>expects efficiency.

I've done like 4 or 5 lessons on pimslur and random-ass shit on the internet.
you gotta start somewhere m80.

>>77005012
Wow, 403 members in the German speaking club near me (US). Thanks for the tip

Downloaded Pimsleur Turkish. Brain says nope, ears say nope, tongue says nope, literally no similar words to english, order's all fucked.

Pretty interesting.

>>77023878
Could be empresa is more Castilian and compañia is more common in latin American dialects. Like ordenador and computadora

>>77024848
For many people, the act of writing helps them a lot to learn and remember.

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>>77029548
Thank you. That makes sense.

If I use a Castilian word, would a latin American understand? Like are they used to those little differences like an American is when talking to a Brit or something similar? Or is it more dramatic?

>>77028226
So what are you going to do?

>>77029754
Well it depends. Some groups really butcher the language, like I've heard some Peruvians where I couldn't understand a single word they said, although admittedly mostly because of the way they spoke rather than words he used. Others are more orthodox, for example my teacher in college was Colombian and she prided herself on how Colombian Spanish was the closest to Castilian. If there's any difficulty communicating it'll probably be because of accent and pronunciation rather than vocabulary differences, so I wouldn't worry too much about vocab choice

>>77029548
I use "compañía" for a large "empresa" , but they are similar

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>>77024848
Netherlands is so cute i love how you say kanker
>tfw you will never have a Dutch bf

>>77029970
This

>>77027587
A friend of mine used it and said it was great

Anyone have any experience with Hindi or Urdu? How is the grammar compared to European languages, is it particularly difficult for an English speaker to grasp?

>>77029970
Thank you. I'm around Cubans, which I've been told are pretty big butchers of language. There are some Colombians though, so I'll make sure to listen to them the most.

Is there anything for me to learn Finnish?

>>77034144
shenme.jpg

Who /welsh/ here?

>>77034144
uusikielemme

>>76895939
Is it acutally possible to learn Icelandic?

How would somone who is native in English, B1 in German and who can make baisc conversation in Dutch find Icelandic?

>>77034387
Can you understand some words or part of old English texts? If so, it would be easier for you to learn basic Icelandic.

Has anybody here ever learned an extremely irrelephant/obscure language, particularly one that is endangered?

>>77034436
I'm barely learning Spanish so don't think I'll be penciling in any dying languages

>>77034436
I want to learn Breton and Catalan, but I'm also interested in Tsakonian Greek.

>>77034654
I presume you're also the one who posted >>77034325

Does that mean you're currently learning Welsh, or is that also a language you're planning on learning some day?

>>77034790
I have started with the basics, I've learned the pronunciation and some words. I'm using the "Colloquial Welsh" book.

>>77034955
Is this your first time learning an irrelephant language?

For reasons which I cannot quite comprehend, my autism is trying to push me to learn Mari, a relatively obscure and endangered Uralic language in Russia (it's even worse than Welsh, because at least Welsh as people who use it on the internet, not to mention it's a whole lot easier to travel to the UK than Russia). I'm pretty sure that, objectively, it's a bad idea to try to learn it, but I figured I might ask around, in case someone else with experience in learning endangered languages could provide some insight.

>>77035025
Yes, it's my first time. I started with Welsh because it has easier pronunciation that Breton. Catalan will be pretty easy since I'm studying Italian. Tsakonian Greek is only spoken by a few old people in a specific area.
Follow your heart anon, we don't learn languages that will benefit us in the future, we learn languages that satisfy our autism. Go for it.
But... Are there even any resources for this language?

>>76996246
I'm also learning Mandarin. I'd also consider Japanese if its grammar weren't so complicated. I salute the people here who are seriously learning Japanese, it doesn't seem like a simple thing to do.
But i'm fine with learning Mandarin, it's my first choice over Japanese anyway. The tones take some getting used to, but I really like its (relatively) simple grammar. It's nice to finally deal with another language that uses a subject-verb-object word order (and no V2 word order).

>>77035193
>But... Are there even any resources for this language?
yeah, thanks to Germanic autism

There's a team at the University of Vienna which decided to fully commit themselves to the Mari language, including releasing an English-language textbook for free, a dictionary, keyboard layout (since it uses cyrillic but with additional characters which don't exist in normal cyrillic) and other such ressources. There are many organisms which grant funding for projects related to endangered languages, so that's probably where they get their funding from. I'm guessing the professor who started that entire project just picked Mari because, of all of Russia's Uralic languages, it's probably the healthiest, and therefore the one which is most worth attempting to save.

Anyway, thanks for the advice lad

Thinking of learning Mandarin as a neat side language while I mainly focus on Spanish.

>>77038501
In order for it to be considered your side language, you must study Chinese only twice as hard as Spanish.

So I'm at a point in learning Spanish where I feel as if I'm stuck. I took Spanish in high school about a year ago (graduated recently) and remember most of it afaik

I've learned a good bit of vocabulary to where I can read mostly coherent, but when it comes to speaking the words I want to be able to "think" in Spanish as it were.

I end up thinking of the sentence in English and translating in my head then, the only way I do the reverse is listening to Spanish.

I completed the duolingo course a while ago, and now I need another source to learn from. About a year ago I was practicing with lang-8 and a little of interpals, but my main study was translating some news articles from Spanish news sites into English for some practice.

I think I will download some shows dubbed in Spanish that I've seen and not use subtitles, and go from there. When I hear Spanish irl I'm not used to hearing it that fast, so the practice is probably good.

>>77039692
Is there some sort of diagnostic I can do to get an idea of exactly my level in Spanish today, because most of the material I see is either beyond my skill, (some tv shows) or below my skill (random lessons I listened to in pimsleur)

hello /lang/, can you correct my translation?

ENG: That house is probably in a gated community. We can't live like this here, we would get robbed. Maybe it's in Turkey but that's not our average house.

ESP: Esa casa probablemente esta en una comunidad cerrada. Aqui no podemos vivir asi, seriamos robados. Puede que este en Turquia pero no es la nuestra casa promedia.

May I ask what's with all the anons learning Chinese? Why did you chose it? No offense

bumpie

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>>77040706
It's because Ivanka Trump-sama teaches her children Chinese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtt_gN7CVcg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFwKhWEKbF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssf9vXpkaBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnGc5bLYpyQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xZDarqk9A8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVSA4ZkdEms

What would you guys say is a decent time to dedicate learning a language time for someone starting French? At the moment I'm hoping to put aside 1.5 hours a day to do assimil, Michel thomas and pimsleur lessons along with some Duolingo. Do you think this is okay or is it too much for a beginner?

>>77044075
It's fine.
If you said 5-6h I without taking breaks in between then it would be too much.

>>77044346
Ah nice, thanks. Obviously it depends on the individual but how long do you think it would take to reach relative competency practicing that length daily?

What are the recommended French grammar books? I tried one, I forget which one, but I couldn't understand the English in it because it used a lot of Cockney slang.

>>77028226
Turkish has lots of French loanwords

Trips for english pronunciation

>>77034436
Swedish

>>77034654
>Catalan

Why?

>>77044362
Less than half a year, depending on the language and how efficient you are, in general. There are other factors at play ofc, but it's a question of hard work and dedication.

>>77045120
Not 'how long' but how many hours

>>77045145
Oh, sorry, my bad. Then no idea. There is a chart about it but I don't have it on my phone and I gtg. I'll post it later if nobody does it before.

>>77023878
You can use both words. French does this too: entreprise and compagnie.

>>77044872
Seems interesting and more related to Italian than Castilian Spanish.

>tfw finally took my CAE exam from english and recieved 200 points so i will be getting bottom of the barrel CPE instead, feels good man
I think i'm gonna go for the japanese as my next endeavor

>>77046930
It's closer to French than to Italian.

>>77034387
Well yes of course. No germanic language is that difficult, and def not for a native english speaker. Problem is that it's extremely useless.

>>77039692
I just play video games in Spanish to get a grasp on the phrasing Spanish people use. It's very effective for learning conversational language.

Up

wow this thread survived 4 days

I've had two years in HS; and one year in college of German. In addition to several periods on and off of independent study, but I've never gotten to the point where I can speak it. Mostly just because I never have anyone to speak it to. It's funny, back when I was interested in French Interpals was filled with Germans; now I can't find any. Then I even tried a premium account on mylanguageexchange and I couldn't find any serious speakers; and ended up getting banned for no reason.

How can I keep myself motivated; some part of me wants to continue on and get decent enough to speak and read German without any problem. Any other part of me is pretty indifferent to it all by now

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>>77050844
>and ended up getting banned for no reason.
That's the problem with spending time on 4chan, you can't figure out why you get banned elsewhere.

>>77040706
-interesting because it's an entirely different language
-900+ million speak it
-foreigners dont usually learn it so its kinda hipster cred.
-civilization since ancient times
-I'm in the electronics industry and china is the wild west of electronics.

all i can think of really..

Reasking my question from earlier: >>77034436

>Has anybody here ever learned an extremely irrelephant/obscure language, particularly one that is endangered?
If so, how kind of insight or advice could you give to a fellow /int/ellectual who's considering giving into autism and learning an obscure language?

>>77052076
I'm a little interested in this too. There's a cultural school/museum thing for Choctaw nearby and part of me wants to look into it.

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>>77044362
>>77045120
>>77045145
>>77045293
The chart I was talking about

>>77040426
Some accents are missing, the other changes that I've done are how I would say it, maybe someone else would use different words. You're going places anon.

>Esa casa probablemente esta en una comunidad cerrada.
está

>Aqui no podemos vivir asi, seriamos robados.
No podemos vivir así aquí, nos robarían.

>Puede que este en Turquia
esté

>pero no es la nuestra casa promedia.
pero esa no es nuestra casa media/normal.

don't you die

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>>77054495
I'll keep it alive with a dumb question.

How would I have known it is tuyo rather than suyo in this context? Seems like both would work since I don't know if it is you familiar or you formal.

>>77054906
Suyo is only used in formal situations or with old people.
Tuyo is used when you know the person.

>>77054906
Indeed, if you have no context whatsoever then it could go either way. Technically, "yours" could even be plural, so it could even be "vuestro" (though that would only be applicable to Spain, not Latin American Spanish).

I'm guessing that, whatever site/reference you're using, they probably have something of a convention, i.e. if not specified then it's singular informal. But you're entirely correct in saying that it's not particularly clear.

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>>77054906
also, this infographic is specifically for French, but the rules are generally roughly the same in all languages with a formal/informal distinction

>>77023451
What is this app?

>>77055030
Thanks, yes.

>>77055079
Lingvist. Great for sneaking in some Spanish practice at work. I'll try to pay attention to what their convention is.

>>77055118
Whoa, thanks! Saved. Sounds like Tu/Ud, Tu/Vous is similar to if you call someone named "Mr. Frank Gomez" "Mr. Gomez" or "Frank"... basically a child speaking to an adult would say Mr. Gomez, but adult to adult be Frank, but if you were the same age and worked at a hotel you'd call him Mr. Gomez as your guest, etc.

>>77055160
Lingvist. I quite like it for studying vocab. There is a web and app version, and they sync.

>>77029754
Generally, unless the word is slang, it will probably be understood by any Spanish speaker even if it's uncommon.

>>77033013
>Cubans
lol, it's not only that they have a weird accent, but they speak extremely fast too so it's hard to understand them.

Ditto for Dominicans and Chileans.

Colombia has a very neutral Spanish, mostly because, due to its geography, it has a high dialectal variation from area to area. As such, Colombians default to a "neutral Spanish" when talking outside of their region (though still keeping some accent which makes them sound super cute).

And I've never seen a Colombian pride themselves about sounding like Castilian. I've seen them pride themselves at having the clearest or more neutral Spanish (something I can agree with), but it doesn't sound anything like Castilian (nor should they want to).

>>77040426
Pretty much what >>77052949 said, except that for the last sentence I'd say
>Puede que esté en Turquía, pero esa no es una casa promedio.
for more neutrality, since I'm not sure about the context.

Also, "promedia" doesn't exist, the word "promedio" doesn't change with gender.

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>>77055118
I love it

>>76895939
Is there a particular rule for choosing whether to use à or de in front of an infinitive in French.
Do you really have to memorise it?

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>>77052076
rebumping for my question

please respond, somebody

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>>76895939
>What language are you learning?
Scottish Gaelic. Best advice I can give is to read Progressive Gaelic 1, available from Amazon. Also,

http://learngaelic.scot/

is pretty helpful. Good luck and stick with it!

>>77048712
Yeah, I have noticed some similarities.

>>77057298 see >>77057417 Find a decent website for learning your chosen language. If there are none find out (google) if they're colleges teaching the language and figure out what books / teaching methods the use to study, get the books ( http://gen.lib.rus.ec/ ) and start reading. do a little each day and if you miss a day don't get discouraged just pick up where you left off. Immerse yourself in the culture of w/e language you chose and stay motivated to learn by learning about their culture. gl hf

>>77057298
>>77057690
make flashcards at https://quizlet.com/ in order to memorize commonly used words in the language

>>77057690
>>77057730
thanks for the advice anon, especially that link for getting books

But I was more interested in how you feel about learning a dying language (from a more conceptual point of view), rather than the specifics of language learning. Do you ever feel any regret for investing time and effort in something which you might end up never even using IRL?

>>77057816
it's difficult to find motivation in that I may not use the language. however i could find a pen pal or travel there. knowing this was the first language my ancestors spoke gives me a closer connection with them. also the more I learn about Scotland the more I can appreciate the effort people are making to revive the language which also helps. I think ultimately your motivation to continue learning the language is based on your reason for learning it. so pick you one like a lot :)

Does it ever get easier, lads? Feels like I'm trying to climb up a giant greased bowling ball, I'm always reading and hearing new things that baffle me.

>watching girls dance and strip on streaming sites like periscope in your target language

Everything for that immersion r-right

>>77059164
>periscope in your target language
How do you change it so you get people of a specific country/language in couchmode?

It used to be really easy to do but now I can't figure out, it seems to only use your geographic location. Is there no other way than using a proxy?

>>77059164
that counts

>>77059335
http://liveomg.com/?filter=periscope.tv
On desktop, you can filter the lang

>>77059400
thanks lad

new bread

>>77059904
>>77059904
>>77059904

>>77040706
Because I'm sick with western civilization. I literally want to flee from here as far as possible.
This whole advanced level of faggotry is making me sick.

>t. /pol