What country makes the best firearms?

Sweden

They're the biggest war mongers in history. They're just good at hiding it

They made billions, maybe even trillions, during the Cold War by selling to both Warsaw and NATO countries

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Russia

>>76610995
These United States of America make the best firearms.

>>76611084
Don't forget the other military technologies and tactics.

Yuros ironically

>>76611103
>Why there's no ejection systems on american helicopters
>They don't need one because they die from one hit instantly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqwCsZOzi6U

>>76611023
>They made billions, maybe even trillions, during the Cold War by selling to both Warsaw and NATO countries
No they didn't you retard and they aren't even in the top ten list of arms exporting countries

I read guns and ammo magazine. Trust me when I say the United States produces the finest firearms money can buy.

Somebody post Indian machineguns.

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>tfw no L1A1

>>76610995
not russia

>>76610995
Russia
>>76611103
>tactis
He said firearms

Burgers
I would say Swiss or the Belgians but they have bent over to stoners BARC(big arma lite cock)

>>76611235
Got to fire one once
Kicks like a fucker but the iron sight is 10/10 and from what I have been told it's extremely reliable if not a bit too long for patrolling

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>>76611372
>>76611278
>>76611084
btfo by superior product

>>76611060
Hngggggggggg

>>76610995
Germany and USA

>>76611396
Yeah the kick is notorious, my dad said you used to sleep with giant welts on your shoulder and it'd put your whole arm out if you weren't careful.

>>76610995
Poland and Czechia
>>76611060
pretty damn clever 2bh
I like

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>>76611437
Honestly bro yours look great but our 240 is extremely reliable
Trust me, I know

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>>76611764

>>76611769
>M240
>American

Holy shit are you retarded

>>76611060
>>76611084
You both stole German engineers, we all know.

>>76611798
Belgian designed yeah, but widely manufactured and used here
And I only mean MMGs, you're right though my bad

Either way my point still stands

>>76611844
No, engineers only went to US.
German designs were copied and advanced by both.

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>>76611844
We actually invented assault rifles desu

>>76611893
>engineers only went to US.
The Soviets no doubt stole German scientists of engineering after the invasion, more as prisoners so less record.

>>76611895
And the Chinese 'invented' gunpowder, does not mean they are any good at making firearms.

>>76610995
Some gun nut told me once that the G11 was a meme gun, which wouldn't have worked well in a real combat situation. Is this true?

>>76611895
Is this why you posted German Mauser?

The first proper assault rifle was German Stg 1944 which inspired AK47.

>>76611931
Ah, yes, the evil commies.

>>76611792
Damn

Russians desu.
AK-47 can operate under absolutely every circumstances.

German plastic rifles melt in the heat and Americans have no idea how to make rifles at all.

>>76611968
>Is this why you posted German Mauser?
t.retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat
>>76611961
well we invented assault rifles and we're the best at making them at the same time
cool yeah?

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>>76611968
>Mauser
Is this bait

>German shills under Russian flags
>Russian shills under German flags
lol

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>>76612010
>re-iterate the AK design for 60 years
>w-we best at assault rifle design!
Look mate, the AK is a good rifle but it is not exactly genius to do only it.

>>76612070
We have fuckton of awesome designs beside AK unlike nato who only produce same FAL and AR trash

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>>76612070
t. I get my firearm knowledge from cod

>>76612010
>we invented assault rifles
The fedorov didn´t use an intermediate cartridge and is therefore not seen as an assault rifle by many people
>we're the best at making them at the same time
That´s why every high-tech army in the world uses AK´s or even AK pattern rifles, right?

>>76611963
It was just a prototype, it certainly wasn´t ready for actual combat

>>76612202
It's almost as if nato countries use nato weapons

>>76612202
they only buy what nato says to buy

>>76612293
>Muh NATO
What exactly do you think NATO is?

>>76612070
the level of ingeniousity in kalashnikov design is something very hard to surpass and looking for alternative methods just for the sake of being a contrarian results in overengineered garbage like g11. perfecting the kalashnikov is much more viable

>>76612316
A North Atlantic treaty organization?

>>76612350
I specifically said the AK was good. But the question is who makes the best, and in terms of ingenuity, re-iterating the same thing is not.
Learn to read.

>>76612275
>>76612293
Poland is a NATO member and uses AK pattern rifles. What is stopping other members from doing the same?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_Beryl

>>76611931
Hugo Schmeisser was working in Izhevsk after WW2, but he didn't provided soviet engineers with some CELECTIAL GIFT 10/10 SUPER ENGINEERING FEATURES.
While Kalashnikov was taking influence from many other engineers, like czech Holek.

>>76611895
This will be in BF1's new cyka blyat dlc

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>>76612275
>>76612293
We're not part of NATO, we use Austrian firearms.

>>76612353
It's not a dictatorship, they don't micromanage which equipment people use other than encouraging 7.62×51

>>76612202
Do you count BAR for an assault rifle or LMG?
Are FAL and G3 assault rifles?

>>76612350
The AR was not designed to be contrarian and is a great, maybe even better design. Nowadays there are many great systems that copied and improved the AK and AR designs (or even both).

>>76611769
Your a fucking idiot m8
It's undepsputed that the PKP is the best open bolt belt fed mg
Ffs even the frogs have considered putting em on there APCs

>>76612466
>Nowadays there are many great systems that copied and improved the AK and AR designs (or even both).
like what?
Current day ARs and AKs asre still the best rifles on the market.
50 years of being tested in battle and improved tends to do that

>>76612433
'The Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) is a family of United States automatic rifles (or machine rifles) and light machine guns'

>>76612429
They kinda do. The point is standardization.

Plus nato rifles are sold cheap to members

>>76612433
>BAR
LMG
>FAL/ G3
Battle rifles

>>76612429
Also, I should point out that we adopted 7.62×51 after the stupid septics turned down our .280 only to backpedal and end up building plastic 5.56×45mm anyway

>>76612527
>20 rounds
Bar is absolute meme """"lmg""""

>>76612466
Creating something is genius
Perfecting something takes skill
The AK is a great weapon but it's still a weapon based on other designs

>>76612385
>re-iterating the same thing is not
if you think firing mechanics is the only significant part of weapon design then go re educate yourself.

>>76612565
Polish BAR was alright

>tfw live in shitty small town but have an ak
)))

>>76612526
The ammo is standardized, not the equipment. What is stopping a NATO member from producing an AK pattern rifle in 5.56 and selling it cheap to members?

Pro tipp: Nothing, Poland actually uses an AK pattern rifle in 5.56
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_Beryl

>>76610995
Serbia and czech republic

>>76612590
20 rounds is 20 rounds.

>>76612621
>Ak in 5.56

Don't make me barf

>>76612509
Like the HK 416 for example. It is built on an AR basis but uses a gas piston instead of direct gas impingement, similar to the AK.

>>76612609
Aren´t russian gun laws really tough?

>>76612670
DESU from my experience 5.45 is a really nice cartridge for marksmanship something that makes no sense for the Russia army to use considering your doctrine is based around firepower

>>76612670
Blame the Americans for taking seventy plus years to recognise the Germans already had an intermediate cartridge.

>>76612701
After 5 years with shotgun you can own p much anything

>>76612701
Depends on the state you live in AFAIK

>>76612701
Not quite. They're definitely softer than in England.
>>76612609
Be honest. Saiga or Vepr?

>>76612682
and how is that better?

>>76612701
yeah but small town nobody cares
I think its stupid. we make some of the best guns, if not the best in my opinion but russians cannot legally own them.

>>76612433
No and no

>>76610995
I think it´s really weird that the US isn´t more dominant when it comes to small arms. Even their domestic handgun market is mainly european.

>>76612752
the russian army owes them and that's all that matters
the russian peoples have never mattered

>>76612739
vepr. my dad gave it to me when we left vladivostok

>>76612787
US is pretty good in the shotgun department but those are rarely used outside competitions.

>>76612729
What do you need to do to get a shotty? Can you own pump action or semi auto ones?

>>76612737
Weird, in germany gun laws are federal laws.

>>76612752
This always bugs me aswell. We are producing guns just to sell them to the US. Even if they are also legal to own here, some never see the german market or are released much earlier overseas. Feels kinda weird when the gun factory is not far away from you.

>>76612787
That's probably because small guns aren't really important from a military point of view .
They tend to have the edge on things that actually win wars

>>76612893
I think Mossberg and Benelli are also very strong in that department. The only major american shotgun producer that comes to my mind is Remington.

>>76612956
I thought mossberg was american?

>>76612909
Pretty sure you need to be a member of a shooting club to get your first pump, but it's not exactly hard

>>76612909
>What do you need to do to get a shotty?
A gun safe, an application, a hunting ticket, an expertise of a safe from your neighborhood policeman and a medical expertise.
>Can you own pump action or semi auto ones?
All kinds exept for full-autos

>>76612920
>They tend to have the edge on things that actually win wars
I know, but they also have the largest civilian gun market in the world. So one would assume they would absolutely smoke small countries with almost no domestic markets like Austria or Belgium in that regard. It´s just a little odd.

>>76612587
Nice argument, you points are absolute zero.

>>76612996
You´re right, my bad. I thought Mossberg was a swedish company. Turns out the founder was just a swedish migrant.

>>76612744
It combines the advantages of an AK piston system (more reliable, less dirty on the bolt, more suitable for water (ARs will actually explode when fired while filled with water), with a closed, ergonomic, customizable and accurate AR design.

>>76613218
while also making it less accurate and likely to get hot neat your hand

>>76613351
If accuracy were so important, the bolt-action rifles would never have been abandoned.

>>76613401
Well, mosin is still in use today :^)

>>76613456
The Mauser-style bolt makes up the majority of bolt-actions.
Americans buy it because of the surplus from the fall of the Soviet Union makes them dirt-cheap. :^)

>>76613401
Bolt action .22 bore rifles are literally the most popular type of privately owned legal gun in Australia

>>76613520
You're not exactly in a combat situation with those, are you?

>>76612787
Wut
They have the ar-15
The 1911
And many different repeaters
What are some "staple" weapons that people own when they want to get into gats?
>>76612893
I would like to say that's our department in civilian terms
Holand and holand along with Williams evant

>>76613401
HUH?!
ARs are accurate when fired rapidly and Americans have always had a hard-on on accuracy and their perceived superior marksmanship

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>>76613555
No
Hence legal

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>>76613598
Maybe you should go back and re-read the posts I replied to.

>>76613592
But they still use cluster-bombs, not very accurate those things. Who knows what they are doing or what they want.

>>76613592
I think the main difference in accuracy between the AR and AK are due to the different calibers. 5.56 has a much flatter trajectory than 7.62.

Not Germany for sure. Heckler and Koch firearms in the Bundeswehr have to be replaced after a few test shots, since the barrel bends from overheating. Other military equipment, even tanks, has similar reliability problems as well. "German quality" my ass.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article141146812/Jetzt-sind-auch-noch-die-Helme-der-Soldaten-kaputt.html

>>76613677
>Pic
Nice sources. Someone probably just made those quotes up as a joke.

>>76610995
Czech
Austria
Switzerland
Russia
Israel

In no particular order.

>>76614042
>7.62
it's not 1970s grandpa
5.45 is reel deal almost no recoil and no recoil at all with counterbalance scheme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3mCwb7Jxo

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>>76614147

>>76614072
Probably, doesn't make the meaning less true.

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>>76614185

>>76614042
>I think the main difference in accuracy between the AR and AK are due to the different calibers.
no
ARs were built for accuracy and AK were built for ease of maintenance
The tings that make the AR more accurate are
the in axis action, the 8 locking lugs and the very tight tolerances

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>>76614207

>>76610995
>steyr
>glock
us of course

Belgium
Germany
Russia
USA (then they don't copy Belgian guns)

>>76614242
>no
Lol, it definetly plays the biggest role. It´s two completely different cartridges.

>>76614318
Glock is slowly loosing the market though. They simply don´t make the best striker fired handguns anymore.

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Buy pls.

>>76614518
>Brazilian guns

A bigger joke than the Italian army

>>76614593
Their navy is top notch though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmZLPQApOss

>>76614593

rood.

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Bolivia

>>76614255
>>76614207
>>76614185
>>76614166
>>76614147
>>76614128
К чeмy этo?

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Heh.. Nothing personal kids..

>>76612006
>AK-47 can operate under absolutely every circumstances

thats a meme sun

>>76614948
Why do Jews make all their guns out of plastic?

>>76610995
1&2 usa - germany
3 belgium
4 austria
5 russia

i like how all the noguns countries arnt making actual arguments, theyre just spouting memes

The greater Germanosphere 2bqh. Heckler & Koch, Walther, Glock, Steyr, SIG Sauer.

>>76612851
>Vladivostok
Are you slav russian or do you look more asian?

>>76613564
>H&H
Just let me fork over 10k for a shotgun.

>>76612420
*re-branded euro firearms

>>76615680
They sell them to goyim and equip conscripts with them
Jews themselves use AK

>>76612420
>>76616067
Kek misread my own fucking country

>>76611792
Beautiful webm

>>76615680
Cheaper
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>>76611792
Russian 1993 rifle tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3mCwb7Jxo&t=41s

All these nogunz eurogays ITT thinking they're qualified to lecture anyone on firearms.

>>76611769
>professional murderer
What a fucking pathetic human being you are.

>>76616559
Bait or retard?

>>76615816
>The greater Germanosphere
this. every1 who disagrees is a retard

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>>76616183
>AK74M
Ivan, did you just steal our rail mount from Polish Beryl and buttstock from AR15?

Russian creativity everybody.