You are Germany and the year is 1941

convince japan to attack eastern russia instead of america

>>76609522
Japan would lose, as pitiful as that is

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There is just no way to win.

>>76609531
lmao, russia would have stood no chance had it been attacked from both fronts.
in fact, the siberian and far eastern forces they mobilized thanks to japan's non-participation was one of the decisive factors for their success in the defense of moscow.

>In mid-September 1941, he informed the Soviet command that Japan was not going to attack the Soviet Union in the near future, which allowed the command to transfer 18 divisions, 1,700 tanks, and over 1,500 aircraft from Siberia and the Far East to the Western Front against Nazi Germany during the most critical months of the Battle for Moscow; one of the turning points of World War II.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sorge

>>76609883
Reunification was a mistake

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convert to Judaism, move to Palestine and become a Mossad Nazi hunter 4 years later.
Hunt down Nazicucks until I retire. Then play MMO's until I die.

>>76609485
Stalin proposed peace and our "brave" soldiers didn't commited genocide yet
>>76609894
You gooks would stuck behind ural with your shitty logistics
2-3 divisions would be enough to stop your shitty army

>>76609894
>18 divisions, 1,700 tanks, and over 1,500 aircraft
do you realise that for a country like the soviet union it was nothing? we lost twice as much in a war with finland

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>>76609916
>be ruskie
>dispatch full armored divisions against japanese recon forces
>get more casualties

YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT

>>76609522
Install Ice death for Japan.

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>>76609939
that's quite a considerable portion of what was deployed during the battle of moscow

>>76610020
Soviets counted every man that got scratch or spend 1 day in hospital as casuality and japs counted only KIA or seriously WIA. Oficially around 8 thousands died from our side and nearly 45 thousands [Various sources] died from japanese side.

>>76610069
What the fuck Japan? Are you want to start a world war again? C'mon do it.

>>76609485
>You've just initiated Operation Barbarossa.
That was the problem.

>>76610094
>He thinks Japanese flags are Japanese

>>76610116
>he thinks that any flag is anything but jewish people controlling the internet

It's too late, but, I'd invest a hell of a lot more on intel operations on Soviet troop raising and industrial capabilities, and logistical infrastructure to keep the frontline well supplied

>>76610116
Japs are hate to losing. And they did not remorse for war crimes, I think they want to do it again. World without Japan huh.

>>76609485
>How do you win the rest of the war?
>You've just initiated Operation Barbarossa.
But you've already lost.
>>76609894
>hurr durr how do supply lines work
full retard

>>76609522
This.

And don't go for stuff because it's "symbolic", but go for the oilfields, because that will fuel the tanks.

And maybe combine those new and shiny rockets with gasses. And listen to my generals more instead of being a druggy who thinks he knows it all.

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>>76610138

>>76610157
How about war with China? Two fronts aren't easy, besides America wouldn't sit and watch.

>>76610116
why wouldn't they be japanese? you think that they are some special magical people just because they produce anime and other crap for permavirgins?
for me they are just a bunch of overly arrogant bastards to the east if russia, who were also cucked out of the kuril islands

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>>76610138

convince japan to attack from the east
30 divisions were sent from eastern russia over to the west once stalin got intel indicating japan had no intention of attacking russia

go straight for the caucasus oil
completely avoid stalingrad as it is a strategically unimportant city

once i've secured the oil needed to keep the war going then go straight for moscow
once moscow falls and the soviet government is forced to flee into the urals they no longer have control over the country and at that point it is essentially mine

>>76609485
I would do what I could to make Germany lose as quickly as possible because I'm not a /pol/tard faggot.

>people talking about 1942
The Germans realized they'd lost as soon as the 1941 winter counteroffensive started. If Stalin had maintained more focus on destroying Army Group Center rather than trying to push the Germans back across a broad front the war might have ended in 1943

>>76610182
It's not the content of what he says but the fact that he's on /int/, and types exactly like other role players here

>>76610177
America wants to be neutral at this point. It was pearl harbor that caused all the butthurt.

And China has his own thing with the communists and nationalist going on. So if everyone just focused on the sovjets, then the conquest of asia is much easier in the long run.

>>76610020
So? Japan still would've been steamrolled by the Russians either way, bushido power doesn't win wars

>>76610157
>And listen to my generals more instead of being a druggy who thinks he knows it all.
Hitler actually made many good decisions in the opening stages and certainly had better overall insight than some of his generals, like Heinz "dude just drive forward lmao" Guderian. For example, German generals wanted to capture Moscow as quickly as possible without first securing the flanks, which could have led them to total catastrophe if Hitler didn't overrule them and order to first secure the south (completely eliminating multiple armies with barely any casualties).
>>76610195
>go straight for the caucasus oil
>completely avoid stalingrad as it is a strategically unimportant city
dear lord

>>76610241
stalingrad had 0 (ZERO) strategic importance

>>76610221
>And China has his own thing with the communists and nationalist going on
Wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_United_Front

>>76610221
>America wants to be neutral at this point.
Embargo from america on steel and oil
>And China has his own thing with the communists
War is war, China were struggle with full force against Japan.

>>76610241
The generals were going to have the army around Moscow to abandon their entrenchments and fight a war of movement in the middle of winter until Hitler overruled! When skilled professionals are driven to such desperation even Hitler could see what was wrong you know the strategic situation was always hopeless

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>>76610239
it does though, unless it's a retarded super multi-fronts war, which wouldn't be the case in this hypothetical scenario

>ywn travel back in time to kill nazis
feels bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLXJvg8oTDc

>>76610301
Japan holy shit shut up already, suck an american dick and go on the meeting about Kuril islands.

>>76610241
I'll give you that. He was good in the beginning. But you can really see the drugs taking effect in the plans he makes. He just needed a better doctor oetz.
>>76610252
In this scenario I'm Germany. I don't actually care if they lost China. I need the sovjets distracted (and I was off a decade oetz).
>>76610260
Embargo is still politics. It can be overturned with some nice words and money.

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*surrender*

>>76610250
>stalingrad had 0 (ZERO) strategic importance

>major industrial and infrastructure hub on the way to southern oilfields
>0 strategic importance
ok colonel, if you say so

I'm not a general, so I'm not going to make strategic or tactical changes to the invasion plan. Far smarter men than me were making those decisions, even with hindsight.

However, I do think that diplomatic changes could've won the war. Just 25 years previous Russia was ruled by a nationalist Tsarist regime. If the Germans went into Russia as liberators rather than as conquerors they could've gotten large support from the native population, especially in regions such as the Ukraine which had just experienced famine forced upon them by the Soviet state. Instead of choosing the long term goal of settling Eastern Europe with Germans as my objective, I would retain the lands I already had in Poland and France, and instead choose to break up the Soviet Union into its constituent states (Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia Estonia Lithuania, Turkestan) and neutralise it as a threat to the Reich.

I think this is a more realistic view than the far sighted ideals of the German leadership at the time.

>>76610365
Well, that would go against his üntermenschen thingy Germany had at that time.

>>76610433
To be fair Hitler went against that previously for the sake of diplomatic gain, like when he dealt with Piłsudski.

>>76610433
Hitler had no problems cooperating with anyone he perceived to be useful for achieving his goals, ideology was a secondary issue.
See: Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.

>>76610451
>>76610495
Too bad he didn't think the people were usefull.

>>76610365
The whole point of invading the Soviet Union was to secure the grain surplus for Germany and avoid a repeat of the Central European famine in World War I. Not compatible with treating the Ukrainians well.

Exile Italy from Axis

>>76610767
Can you just leave? Low IQ Americans add nothing to this discussion.

>>76609894
Siberian divisions is a myth

http://www.operationbarbarossa.net/the-siberian-divisions-and-the-battle-for-moscow-in-1941-42/

>>76610020
You're using Khalkin Gol as an example of Japanese superiority?

Really?

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>>76610020
dumb gook

The logistical situation was impossible for Germany. Simple as. Unless they wanted to make their goal just reaching Ukraine or something, but then that would allow for a good Russian buildup

>>76609485
I join the SS and help establish the 'rat-lines' to help the brass to escape to Argentina

>>76609485
Achieve total war as soon as possible, nationalise armaments production immediately, fix the inefficient bureaucracy, and remove incompetent and/or retarded people from power e.g. Goering and Himmler

>>76609485
You don't, because it's not possible and you're retarded

>>76610020
>Route pride of Japanese empire, the kwantung army, in a couple weeks

Japan couldn't even defeat chink farmers who were in a civil war with one another lmao

>>76609485
The military side wasn't the problem with Barbarossa

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>>76611507
>an example of Japanese superiority?
how's it not a superiority to inflict more casualties when you are heavily outnumbered, outequipped and restricted (as fighting another big war against china)?

>>76611534
>>76611910
>the only "victory" is a sneak attack, dishonoring the neutral pact the opponent honored
>dumb slavshit

LMAO, the soviet invasion of manchuria was up against what was mere shadow of its former self due to extractions and diversions of frontline forces to other theaters (exactly what soviet had done thanks to japan's observance), and more importantly, the good part of the invasion was done after august 15, when the imperial decree of termination of the war was broadcasted and the armies stopped countering, except for minimum self defense.

>>76612422
Is this a meme?

All the Japanese """"empire"""" was machuria, some jungle in sea, and a bunch of tiny Pacific islands

Your tech was shit, your weapons were shit, your soldiers were shit, and your tactics were shit

That's why you got absolutely annihilated the us and have been an American lapdog ever since

Call Stalin, say 'it was just a prank bro'

Recall all my troops back to Germany.

>>76612422
Go get an American guy and have him remind this guy how "the Glorious Japanese empire" got nuked back then.

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>>76609916
You have no idea how cold blooded killers Nip soldiers are. They are fuckers that just won't die. You would rather the Germans be the only people invading you. These are people that drown Genghis Khan's army twice.

>>76612422
Japan fought quite well during WW2 but the point is that it's Japan that waged the Pacific War against the US by carrying out a sneak attack on a US navy base. So can we call it a superiority to pick up a fight against someone far stronger, even being aware of it?

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>>76613276
Japan fights well but they are fucking idiots. Like a hunter feeling good that he shot dead all the deers and decided to put 2 into the giant sleeping bear on the right.

>>76613271
>Invading fleet dies in a hurricane

"We iz strong solders"

Nip diaspora pls

All the Japanese were good at is committing war crimes

>>76613379
What I'm wondering is how the US keeps managing to keep their death tolls down? Like on average a US soldier kills 5 Japs each.

>>76613526
Because nip soldiers are using bolt actions and banzai charges against destroyers and shermans

>>76613526
Cos the Japanese army resorted to so-called "banzzai attack" in which multiple platoons of Japanese soldiers charge toward the US troops only with bayonets. So one US soldier with a machine gun could take out a number of Japanese soldiers easily

Damn. I realized if there was another world war, we would get to see an actual war in colour.

>>76613774
One of the first recorded events of collective autism

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>>76612967
>Is this a meme?
it's called historical facts, something an untermensch lives in a shithole like russia can hardly come by.
>All the Japanese """"empire"""" was machuria, some jungle in sea, and a bunch of tiny Pacific island
much better than the inhabitable shitty frozen barrens that constitute the vast majority of russia's landmass. that's also why even slavshits could expand that much, though they got utterly buttraped and the expansion ended when they were met by the yamato master race in the far east, lmao
>Your tech was shit, your weapons were shit, your soldiers were shit, and your tactics were shit
yeah, that's why japan wiped out the ENTIRE russian navy as if it was nothing
>That's why you got absolutely annihilated the us and have been an American lapdog ever since
it's pretty much a result of something called density: one side thinly spread over the largest battlefield in history that spanned nearly a quarter of the globe, while the other side was able to exploit the situation and concentrate on a few points to heavily outnumber them.

>>76613096
chill out, colonial comrade
it's a hypothetical talk, nobody hurts you irl :3

>>76613379
still mad at yet another yamato superioity, khan'd ivan? xD

>>76613526
over 70% of japan's casualties in the pacific came from diseases and starvation due to collapsed logistics

>>76613912
How many different pictures of that same Pepe do you have saved?

This is really pathetic, did the radiation get to you or something?

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>>76613956
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>>76613834
>implying you guys didn't do it
remember order no. 227?

>>76613956
everytime kek

>>76614010
I said one of the first

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>>76613992
remove that image RIGHT NOW

Don't feed the troll, he's probably that nip schizo that posts the Korea threads

>>76613912
>yeah, that's why japan wiped out the ENTIRE russian navy as if it was nothing
>by british built ships
lmao

[spoiler]pleasure girls[/spoiler]

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>>76613972
a lot

>>76614143
maybe russia should've bought ships from britain too instead of france, even though super cool japanese warships raped british ships later like >>76613992

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>>76613992
REEEEEE
DELET NOW!!!!

>>76613992
At least the burgers kept you from going too crazy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway

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>>76614278
>>76614261
>Samefagging this bad

I know you're just a troll, but how do you even manage to lose this bad in pic related?

My God, this might be worse than Midway and Leyte gulf

>>76614512
Nah man. I'm not the dumb nip.

>>76613992
>plays thomas the train engine theme song.

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>>76614512
then can I ask you a question?
how on the earth did it happen?

>>76614512
Nips were useless without the surprise factor

>>76614994
Didn't you say you lost a lot of soldiers to bad logistics, who are you to complain about this

>>76614994
Lol, the only battle the us lost in the Pacific was the one where there weren't any Japanese, you can't make this shit up

Imagine having an army so terrible that you lose 3-4 times the amount of soldiers as the enemy every battle and wind up telling your "pilots" to just commit suicide

I wish you hadn't surrendered so early so we could have nuked more cities

Oh well, firebombing Tokyo was fun too

>>76615447
Please don't be so mad.
I have asked it for curiosity.

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>>76615447
more like the only battles america won in the pacific were the ones where it incredibly outnumbered japan due to the concentration i mentioned above (even the midway too, in terms of number of aircraft). and the shitty island garrison on iwojima even inflicted the level of casualties that became a fucking NATIONAL ICON on the overwhelming force, you can't make this shit up bud
no wonder america had to resort to nukes, top kek

Why didn't the nips seppuku when they commited atrocites towards people
Do they not consider Chinese people?
Bit a case of pot and kettle there tbqh

>All those white butthurt against glorious nippon

Feels good to be asian tbqh

>be glorious nippon empire
>try invading New Guinea
>get destroyed by a nation of 7 million people
kek

KEK

K E K

>>76609522
Japan did , and lost badly

>>76609485
>You've just initiated Operation Barbarossa.
dont do that
also stop the fucking slant eyes from bombing merica

there I won the war

>>76609531
You wouldn't need to even do any damage. Just the threat of an invasion to the east could had pulled some divisions which would relieve pressure on the west. Or just the idea of an all out total invasion probably could be enough to make stalin fold.

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>>76616651
>be a shitty penal colony in the middle of nowhere
>think glorious nippon empire REALLY cared about them

woah..

>be hitler
>know that 2 front wars are unwinnable
>get fucked by the RAF and are no longer able to invade britain
>"ah yes I will just open up another front"
>invade the second strongest military and industrial power
>allow them time to build up defenses instead of blitzkrieging like usual
>your greatest ally gets the strongest military and industrial power involved
>now at war with literally the whole world
>lose and nationalism becomes toxic for nearly a century
ah yes hitler well done
well done

Offer a peace treaty and claim all the occupied territories.

>>76616667
During the war between USSR and Japan, Germany sucked Stalin's dick with a conspirative pact just in order to extend war front all over West Europe.

however they suddenly declared the war against Soviet after we had retread from Russia.
so Germany had the responsibility for withdrawing all corporation against USSR.

>>76616992
Dumbfuck didn't even consider the possibility to invade britain
He hoped you would make peace with them and didn't think about what he would do in case you continued to fight
So he ordered no preparations for an amphibious assault until the fall of france and after that it was too late

>>76617417
Invasion of Britain was pretty much impossible and SU was going to attack them at some point. So he did the only thing possible at that point, which was invading SU, before they could build up more.

Debatable if he could've won SU in any scenario, but if he did, things could've worked out.

>>76617571
I think once they had set their foot in britain they could have done it without much hardship since UK's land forces were weak/unprepared at the beginning of war
The real problem is RAF and navy
But yes, if they delayed op. Sealion too much soviets would attack them after operation begins
Another interesting point is what effect UK's fall would have on USA's behaviour
Anyway, seeing how close army came to achieving their objectives in SU against all odds really makes me think about how things would have turned out if hitler didn't make some of the critical mistakes he did

>>76613992
lang leve karel doorman.

>>76609522
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War_(1945)

lol