>Italians >White

>>76503894
I find i5 funny how Italians desperately fight to be called white considering that this term was used as a way for anglos to distance themselves from non-europeans but also south europeans. Italians got lynched in the USA for being non-white ,luigi. Same applies to the irish

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>>76503894
>African admixture in France is between 0.5-1
LOL NO

>>76503951
not really, americans used the term white to refer to themselves since they couldn't use the term "european"

>>76504023
>since they couldn't use the term "european"
I think it was used more to refer specifically to North-West Europeans, since White Americans are mostly from the British Isles and Germany. But nowadays it seems to be more just a synonym for "European", at least if the internet is any indication.

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>>76503894
>#better_than_white

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>>76503894
>tfw we put our seeds and make Finland our slaves for 600 years

better than slavshits

>>76504313
Better at what? Being mutts?

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>76504420
Wrong, I1 Paleo-Europeans are natives that got raped by R1 Indo-Europeans and N1 Uralics.

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>>76504449
tfw dumb swedish 1900s race theorists decided to indentify scandis with the I1 not realizing they'd be paving their future in being the biggest cuck genetic residue in europe

>>76504570
I wouldn't call it a "cuck".
l1 dominates among Germanic populations, it was pretty much their trademark, exported from Scotland to Persia, by Germanics and later by Vikings.

Indo-Europeans were the elite at first, but became pretty much genetically overthrown by "one" successful male that survived bottleneck and learned of their ways.
Continental Germanics(Hallstatt) were mostly R1b, Nordic Germanics(Early Nordic Bronze Age) R1a and l1.
Ancient Germania was l1 dominated.

What does it say? l1 won in the end.

>>76504681
I1 didn't win, otherwise it wouldn't have succumbed to Indo-Europeans and every other people it ever came in contact with.

>>76504681
>l1 dominates among Germanic populations
What the fuck? Not even in Sweden is it the overwhelming majority, peaking at a mere 40%.

>>76503894
well greek/balkan/italian haplogroups are the roman haplogroups

africans were roman emperors n shieeet after all

>>76504751
Having blonde hair and blue eyes isn't a strictly Germanic trait.

>>76504681
This, Scandinavian I2 and and any haplogroups brought by farmers are the true cucks.

How can I1 be cucked if they weren't even in Sweden until the Indo-European period?

>>76504760
Dominate might've been a stretch, but they're a significant part and a trademark of Germanic expansions. If they were "cucks" - they wouldn't make up even 12% of population.
>>76504761
Romans were R1b originally.

>>76504815
romans were samartian

>>76504815
>Romans were R1b originally.
WE

>>76504804
Paleo-European damage control, it had still been in Europe for thousands of years (even if it hadn't been in Sweden, which there is no conclusive proof of) and got cucked by invaders.

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>>76504840
You still are. R1b is the largest haplogroup in all of Italy and the Romans were originally R1b Italic Indo-Europeans.

>>76503951
We consider ourselves the masterrace. Whether you want to call us "white" or something else is irrelevant to us, as long as you acknowledge the plain truth that you are inferior to us

>>76504893
>Paleo-European

They also didn't invent shit. They were abo tier until neolithic farmers from the Middle East taught them how to crop instead of living like chimpanzees.

>>76504899
yeah, I was making fun of him for his implicit point that we somehow got blacked and are not the original inhabitants of the peninsula. DNA tests on people from Pompei say we're pretty much the same people

>>76504929
Ah I see, my mistake

>>76504893
Everyone in Europe was raped by some invaders at some point. Entire Europe is a genetic cocktail.
>>76504804
Actually l1's are considered to be autochtones to North Germany, Denmark and South Sweden.
>>76504920
>They also didn't invent shit. They were abo tier until neolithic farmers from the Middle East taught them how to crop instead of living like chimpanzees.
I guess you never heard of Battle of Tollense River, where Pre-Germanic ancestors of Scandinavians faced Corded Ware Indo-European invaders.
They lost, but gave resistance, since Y-DNA of Corded Ware people killed in battle were found.

Everyone was dominated by IE. They were simply superior.

>>76504990
>Actually l1's are considered to be autochtones to North Germany, Denmark and South Sweden
True, but it's only "considered" at this point. So far only I2 has been found in Scandinavia prior to the Bronze Age, and I1 only from the Bronze Age onward. Also as far as I'm aware it's usually considered to be from Jutland and Nothern Germany and not Sweden proper, but I could be wrong.

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>>76504990
>1250 B.C.E.

Farmers arrived to Europe at least 6 thousands before that battle. Northern Eurocucks were already taught how to farm by neolithic farmers. That battle was from the bronze age.

>>76504990
>where Pre-Germanic ancestors of Scandinavians faced Corded Ware Indo-European invaders.
What does that have to do with them having lived like chimpanzees prior to interaction with farmers and Indo-Europeans?

>>76505065
The funny thing is that paleo-europeans were dark skinned and had brown eyes. Dunno why that pole is defending them.

>>76505136
>>76505136
>The funny thing is that paleo-europeans were dark skinned and had brown eyes. Dunno why that pole is defending them.
wrong, dark skinned and LIGHT eyes.

>>76504990
>Battle of Tollense River
Isn't it speculated that this was an inter-tribal conflict between Corded Ware peoples as opposed to a conflict with non-Indo-Europeans? Either way your point is still right, though - Indo-Europeans dominated everyone, including the farmers who he claims to be "superior".

Also after the spread of farming to Europe, northern Europe largely retained its hunter-gatherer nature and the """"superior"""" farmers couldn't make it into north-east Europe. Furthermore, farming cultures in Europe over time became more genetically similar to the hunter-gatherers, meaning that they were getting PALEO'D.

>>76505136
Nope, only Paleo-Europeans in Southern Europe and parts of Western Europe were dark skinned. Hunter gatherers in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe were relatively light skinned and fair-haired.

>>76505182
>dark skinned and LIGHT eyes.

That was a mesolithic guy found in Spain, not paleolithic.

ITT butthurt pole who bashes meds just because he looks like the cool kids

>>76505244
Also his haploshit was C

>>76505136
Not really. Depends from what part of Europe.
Generally the ones that came with contact with Corded Ware had bright eyes already.
Blonde hair was spread by Northern Yamna aka Corded Ware though.
Neolithic Farmers aka Southern Yamna were just as dark as Old Europeans because of the mixing with South European populations, but carried red-hair and some of them blonde because of years of mixing between both parts of Yamna cultures.
>>76505236
>Isn't it speculated that this was an inter-tribal conflict between Corded Ware peoples as opposed to a conflict with non-Indo-Europeans?
Might be. Or even between Nordic Bronze Age and Elp Culture, deriving from Hallstatt and Tumuls aka Continental Germanics.
But no R1b was found as far as I know.
>>76505060
And yet somehow those monkeys after acquiring the knowledge became the unstoppable force.
>>76505307
Did you just assume my ethnicity?

>>76505244
Is there any place to see the data of old European specimens compiled?

>>76505350
sorry senpai this is the balkans pc stuff dont exist over here

>>76505345
C was the true european haplogroup, rest are subhuman invaders

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>>76505389
HOL' UP

>>76505351
Dunno, there are many haploautists around, they should help.

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>>76505350
>unstoppable force

What force would be that? Whites are a bunch of cucks that are commiting autogenocide by miscegenation, just like neanderthals did.

>>76505509
The more we abandon our Indo-European-derived values, the more cucked we become... Really makes you think.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.fi/2017/05/european-blond-hair-may-have-originated.html

Ancient Uralics sure loved Aryan pussy.

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>>76505556

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>>76505561
MAMMOTH'D

>>76505351
Not sure if it's what you're looking for, but this shows the skin pigmentation of various populations dating back to the Paleolithic

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xe9sgt0PSt6cUQ3cYp14foBoaVGsOKZBmmHJoKz0HB0/edit#gid=1800275085

>>76505509
I'd hardly call sacking capital of Rome three times being "cucks". That's not really an argument.
Germanics went toe to toe with Romans in terms of technology. Late, but still, they managed to overthrow the eternal hegemon. Collective that constantly expanded throughout the ages. Vikings were also years above rest of European folk.
And even today, Germanic countries are the wealthiest and most advanced.

And don't bring the whole "le cuckold" meme shite, because it was foced upon them. They got simply indoctrinated.
>>76505639
I don't really trust that map. Probably made by some stormie.


Here's a scientific data collected by anthropologists. Majority of Poles are fair eyed (fair means blue, green, grey and everything in between) and fair haired (from light blonde to light brown).


https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/statystyki-krajow-regionow-populacji/Polska/pigmentacja-oczu-ludnosci-polski-1956-1965-1995
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/statystyki-krajow-regionow-populacji/Polska/pigmentacja-wlosow-dla-calej-ludnosci-polski-1965

>>76505702
>I'd hardly call sacking capital of Rome three times being "cucks". That's not really an argument.
no.
>Germanics went toe to toe with Romans in terms of technology.
no.
>Late, but still, they managed to overthrow the eternal hegemon.
no.
>Collective that constantly expanded throughout the ages.
no.
>Vikings were also years above rest of European folk.
no.
>And even today, Germanic countries are the wealthiest and most advanced.
no.
>And don't bring the whole "le cuckold" meme shite, because it was foced upon them. They got simply indoctrinated
memes.

go back to school, you need it.

>>76505760
Severe lack of arguments

>>76505244
see this:

>>76505561
>http://eurogenes.blogspot.fi/2017/05/european-blond-hair-may-have-originated.html

Basically, the article broadly supports the findings of Mathieson et al. 2017, pointing out that WHG were likely blue eyed, dark haired and dark skinned, while EHG probably had variable eye coloring, but lighter hair and skin than WHG. I suppose what this implies is that the blue eyed blond phenotype most common today amongst Northern Europeans, like the Polish Danish tennis player below (picture courtesy of Wikipedia), is a relatively recent, perhaps post-Mesolithic, phenomenon.

Basically, the article broadly supports the findings of Mathieson et al. 2017, pointing out that WHG were likely blue eyed, dark haired and dark skinned, while EHG probably had variable eye coloring, but lighter hair and skin than WHG. I suppose what this implies is that the blue eyed blond phenotype most common today amongst Northern Europeans, like the Polish Danish tennis player below (picture courtesy of Wikipedia), is a relatively recent, perhaps post-Mesolithic, phenomenon.

>>76505655
>What I don't get is why the Early Bronze Age Yamnaya people of the Pontic-Caspian Steppe were apparently so dark haired despite their extreme level of ANE ancestry and relatively close genetic relationship to modern-day Northern Europeans? On the other hand, the Middle Bronze Age people of the Kazakh Steppe and South Siberia, who were largely derived from Yamnaya or a closely related group from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, were probably often blue eyed and blond haired (see here). It's unlikely that natural selection alone could have lightened up the steppe people in such a relatively short time. Or is it?
The author doesn't take into consideration that Andronovo derived from Northern Yamna(R1a) that were already blonde-haired mostly. Maybe dirty-blonde, but still blonde.
>>76505760
"No" isn't an argument.

Germanics got their tech from facing Romans countless times, they simply assimilated to the harsh environment and warfare. They might've been less civilized than Romans and that's a fact, but they quickly filled the gap by pushing forward unlike Romans and Greeks that stagnated because of wealth and "degeneracy" if I may use this word.

>>76505825
meant for >>76505561

>>76505825
I know you didn't mean to reply to me but I will add that it's incredibly stupid to assume that ANE = blonde hair. ANE peaks in native South Americans, lmao. Blonde hair is something that can be positively selected for, and its frequency in genetically similar populations can change significantly when said populations are separated for thousands of years, as was the case with ANE.

>>76505825
>unlike Romans and Greeks that stagnated because of wealth and "degeneracy"
>Let me tell you about your country

>>76505792
>>76505825
>requires arguments

alright buffoons.
https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-capital-of-the-Roman-empire-and-why
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odoacer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult

most of those should be common knowledge.

>>76505825
>Northern Yamna(R1a)
this is also wrong.

>>76505825
>They might've been less civilized than Romans and that's a fact, but they quickly filled the gap by pushing forward unlike Romans and Greeks that stagnated because of wealth and "degeneracy" if I may use this word.
oh I didn't even see this. Memes.

>>76506061
>wiki links are arguments
Deny that Germanics sacked Rome three times.
Go on.
>this is also wrong.
[Citation needed]
>>76506093
Once again, no arguments.

>>76506111
that's not what you argued about.
There's no need for arguments when you have facts.

>>76505655
nice data, thanks.

I would like to see compared to current populations, but I find it curious to note that the blue-eyed gene drops dramatically in the Neolithic, extinguishing itself from some areas and resurfacing later, although the more southern areas with more Neolithic predominance did not recover.

>>76506245
I also made the effort to order the links for every thing I've noted wrong. If you had even the lightest grasp of history you wouldn't even need to open the links to understand how wrong you were.

>>76506245
>>76506280
I'm wrong about Germanics sacking decadent Rome and getting their technological boost from remains of it?

Sure I am. Links from wiki prove me wrong.

any italian even cares about being white? never heard one saying so, we are way better than whites

>>76506260
Yeah, it's pretty weird. What I find especially interesting is how the Middle East used to be both fairer and more blue-eyed than Europe, but during the Neolithic became much darker and even more so today. Maybe we just need more samples, but who knows.

>>76506387
literally all the people I know carry prints of haplogroup maps in case anyone tries to claim we aren't white.

>>76506344
again, not what you argued. Do you lack in short term memory?

>>76506387
white-not white is part of the american discourse, nobody in europe actually cares except autists.
But hey, with all the illegal immigrations we are receiving we may end up as USA-lite soon

>>76503894
>>Italians
>>White
In my country people with such skin color consideres 'black'

>>76506440
where can i find some copies? i wanna be ready for race war
>>76506460
it's funny that in theory not noticing all those colour shades makes up so progressive

>>76506502
B

>>76504681
>Continental Germanics
No such thing. Hallstatt culture was Celtic.

>Ancient Germania was l1 dominated
Source

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>>76504990
Mmm no, that battle happened well after Corded ware was established in Central Europe


No, theyw ere not simply superior


Proto Indoeuros brought the plague with them for the first time, it's been established recently that the plague was first observed in Yamnaya skeletons

Besides the non IE areas were the most advanced in Europe as you can see in pic related

>>76506626
>No, theyw ere not simply superior
Then why does all of Europe bar Basque Country, Hungary, Finland and Estonia speak Indo-European languages? Why are Indo-European haplogroups dominant in all European countries bar north-east and south-east Europe? Why were all pre-Indo-European cultures destroyed or assimilated?

You can thank Indo-Europeans for ancient Rome by the way

>>76504681
>>76504815
>>76504990
>>76505350
>>76505702
>>76505825
>>76506111
>>76506344
I'm reading your nonsensical posts and I can only conclude that you have no idea what you are talking about.

>Battle of Tollense River, where Pre-Germanic ancestors of Scandinavians faced Corded Ware Indo-European invaders

>Neolithic Farmers aka Southern Yamna

LOL

>>76506724
>Then why does all of Europe bar Basque Country, Hungary, Finland and Estonia speak Indo-European languages?

Because the plague they brought illed off most of the Pre IE people in Central Europe and the British isles, technologically speaking Pre IE people were superior, they were the first to smelt copper along with Near Easterners, they were among the first to build cities and monumental buildings, Proto IEs replaced them in central/northen Europe because of the plague, not because of superior technology.

Pre IE civilizations survived well into the iron age: Iberians, Tartessians, Sards and Etruscans and they occupied most of South Europe, they only begin to speak Latin because the Romans (who would've been nothing without the Etruscans) conquered them.

But the Romans were genetically much closer to Neolithic Europeans than to Yamnaya, they only spoke a IE language because in the late bronze age some Proto Italic migrants mixed with the natives in the sparsely populated regions along the Apennines, while the most fertile areas of Central Italy were Etruscan

How do I refer to an Italian? Afro-european?

>>76506942
hahah good joke, which one of your five hands should I shake atom baby?

>>76506925
why are you struggling so hard? he's poland lol
>>76506942
mamma mia spaghetti pizza aperitivo!

>>76506942
How do I refer to a Belarusian? Russian?

>>76506387
Ironically the first time the word white was used for a racial classification was by a spanish monk in America. He used it to distinguish between the indians (brown/marrón), sun-saharans (black/negro) and europeans (white/blanco). The problem is that in english and other germanic languages, white means northern european while in spanish for example it's just a a synonymous for european despite your skin tone, eye color, mother language or haplogroup.

>>76506979
He's not me
>>76506925
Didn't the indo europeans probably conquered the vinca culture with violence, at least considering the change in sepulchra after the supposed contact between cultures?

>>76507141
>Didn't the indo europeans probably conquered the vinca culture with violence

Not really, there was a climate change, not a violent conquest

>>76507140
sounds a lot like weaponized autism. i love spain anyway

>>76507191
Heh you're right, I actually meant the cucuteni-trypillian

>>76505509
Blondcucks aren't Indo-Europeans but Pre Indoeuropeans (I1 + I2)

>>76506815
Way to push words into my mouth, genius.

>>76507393
And what wonders did ancient Finnics bring?

>>76506815
>>76507379
And FYI I meant Anatolian Farmer.

If you weren't such a crybaby you would correct me instead of calling out everything as false.

>>76507225
He used it casually to preach among the indians telling them that Jesus's message was for everybody.

>>76507140
Isn't Spain where "blue-blood" comes from?

>>76507393
And greeks were civilized by the minoans.

>>76507516
Yeah, from the 9th century, when the christians were struggling against the muslims.

>>76507595
Greeks were and still are the only civilized people of that indo gypsy group

>>76507379
>Way to push words into my mouth, genius
I just quoted what you said?

>>76507433
>And FYI I meant Anatolian Farmer
The point is Yamnaya has nothing to do with Anatolian Farmers

>>76507677
>DNA from teeth suggests some warriors are related to modern southern Europeans and others to people living in modern-day Poland and Scandinavia. “This is not a bunch of local idiots,” says University of Mainz geneticist Joachim Burger. “It’s a highly diverse population.”
How were they not ancestors of Germanics and connected to Corded Ware?

>The point is Yamnaya has nothing to do with Anatolian Farmers
How so? Yamnaya was rich in R1b.

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>>76507416
Sumer

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>>76507640
kek, you never disappoints

>>76507776
prove me wrong you spanish subhuman

>>76507730
Why do Europeans care so much what colour their skin is?

>>76507873
this is a racist board
even sweden is more white than any new world mongrel shithole
people do not talk about this irl

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>>76507677
>>76507716
>The Yamna period (3500-2500 BCE) is the most important one in the creation of Indo-European culture and society. Middle Eastern R1b-M269 people had been living and blending to some extent with the local R1a foragers and herders for over a millennium, perhaps even two or three. The close cultural contact and interactions between R1a and R1b people all over the Pontic-Caspian Steppe resulted in the creation of a common vernacular, a new lingua franca, which linguists have called Proto-Indo-European (PIE). It is pointless to try to assign another region of origin to the PIE language. Linguistic similarities exist between PIE and Caucasian and Hurrian languages in the Middle East on the one hand, and Uralic languages in the Volga-Ural region on the other hand, which makes the Pontic Steppe the perfect intermediary region.

>The Yamna horizon was not a single, unified culture. In the south, along the northern shores of the Black Sea coast until the the north-west Caucasus, was a region of open steppe, expanding eastward until the Caspian Sea, Siberia and Mongolia (the Eurasian Steppe). The western section, between the Don and Dniester Rivers (and later the Danube), was the one most densely settled by R1b people, with only a minority of R1a people (5-10%).

>The northern part of the Yamna horizon was forest-steppe occupied by R1a people, also joined by a small minority of R1b (judging from Corded Ware samples and from modern Russians and Belarussians, whose frequency of R1b is from seven to nine times lower than R1a).
I didn't make any shit up. I simply slipped with "Neolithic" instead of "Anatolian" and you picked that up to shit on everything else.

I bet you're that guy that religiously posts that R1b-M269 didn't originate on the Pontic Steppe, yet somehow R1b dominates British Isles and Brits have a lot of Yamna steppe admixture

>>76508018
Yes but white isn't a race and it isn't what made Europe successful so why care about it?

>>76508093
Stop posting this meme graph. Norwegians aren't #1 in Yamnaya admixture, Finns and Balts are.

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>>76508117

>>76508117
I am well aware of the studies that assert that Finns and Balts are the most genetically similar to Yamnaya, but can you prove that the graph he posted is wrong? What makes your studies right and his wrong?

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>>76508128
http://terheninenmaa.blogspot.com/2015/11/indigenous-european-hunter-gatherer.html

>An estimate given by Haak et al. 2015 gives us the origin of Finns: 25% early Neolithic farmers (compared to Norwegians with 48% early Neolithic farmers), 10% Siberians (compared to Norwegian 4%), 8% western hunter-gatherers (Norwegian 0%) and 50% Yamnaya (Norwegian 48%).

Also the spreadsheet in this post
http://eurogenes.blogspot.fi/2017/05/european-blond-hair-may-have-originated.html

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>>76503894
>Pole asshurt that Italy keeps good relations with Russia

It's hilarious because whenever Italy vetoes some Russia sanction or makes a deal with Russia, you can always find Italian hate threads on /int/ started by Poles.

>>76508093
>unrionically quoting wikipedia

Also gonna love your Polish tears when new Polish aDNa is coming out already 4 genomes are tested in pre-Slavic period and none of them were R1a M458 I remember you shitting up threads saying R1a wuz here 3000BC since Corded ware and shit.

>>76508187
It should be obvious, Norwegians have been contaminated by R1berian C*lt blood.

>>76508224
eupedia*

>>76508224
I remember you cleaning my toilet.
Oh wait, it didn't happen.

And gee, populations change. And the first portion of M458 did come with Corded Ware.

>>76508224
>and none of them were R1a M458
Was there any M558 among them

>>76508279
Nah nigga you we wuzing Poles being autochonous there is biggest meme I've seen.

>>76507873
>Why do Europeans care so much what colour their skin is?

unirionically but literally in Spain we are obsessed with tanning, your friends and acquaintances always compliment you if you are tanned

>>76508316
I never said that.
You can't even differentiate between cultures and genetics. The core M458 did come with Corded Ware. Were they Poles culturally and linguistically? No. Slavs flooded Europe in VIAD.

But go on, meme harder.

>>76508255
how the fuck is r1b iberian?

>>76508209
Who do these things change every time I see one?

Can you explain why?


EEF WHG ANE
0.781 0.092 0.127 -- Albanian
0.931 0 0.069 -- Ashkenazi_Jew
0.593 0.293 0.114 -- Basque
0.418 0.431 0.151 -- Belorussian
0.715 0.177 0.108 -- Bergamo
0.712 0.147 0.141 -- Bulgarian
0.561 0.293 0.145 -- Croatian
0.495 0.338 0.167 -- Czech
0.495 0.364 0.141 -- English
0.322 0.495 0.183 -- Estonian
0.554 0.311 0.135 -- French
0.675 0.195 0.13 -- French_South
0.792 0.058 0.151 -- Greek
0.558 0.264 0.179 -- Hungarian
0.394 0.456 0.15 -- Icelandic
0.364 0.464 0.172 -- Lithuanian
0.932 0 0.068 -- Maltese
0.411 0.428 0.161 -- Norwegian
0.457 0.385 0.158 -- Orcadian
0.713 0.125 0.163 -- Pais_Vasco
0.817 0.175 0.008 -- Sardinian
0.39 0.428 0.182 -- Scottish
0.903 0 0.097 -- Sicilian
0.809 0.068 0.123 -- Spanish
0.746 0.136 0.118 -- Tuscan
0.462 0.387 0.151 -- Ukrainian

>>76508300
No.

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>>76505702
>Germanics brought down Rome

Stick to plumbing, Pole. The Germanic invasions and migrations were a result of the floodgates being opened by Rome fracturing internally. Do you think the Germanics living in the mudhuts in forests didn't want to migrate into Rome before the Finns started pushing them from the East?

The will to migrate was always there, it just wasn't possible, and they got their ass handed to them by the Romans all the time (Teutoburg forest is famous precisely because Rome losing was so rare). The pressure piling on the Germanics from the east is what made the dam burst, but without the pre-existing cracks it wouldn't have.

>>76508387
Don't respond to him, he's an R1a Finn who attempts to "troll" me because I'm (superior) R1b.

>>76508419
Ah yes, the diaspora polack with inferiority complex towards germanics is here. Thread ruined.

Stick to posting pictures and wikipaste in every thread where Poland is insulted. That's fucking great hobby you got there, just as autistic as "I am Greek" guy.

>>76508419
>Do you think the Germanics living in the mudhuts in forests didn't want to migrate into Rome before the Finns started pushing them from the East?
Proof of said Finnic invasions? Slavs destroyed Finnics during the migration period and assimilated many more, and Germanics destroyed them several centuries later.

>>76508387
Portuguese merchants and Celtic thralls, also R1b was swarthy ever since they emerged from Southern, aka false Yamnaya.

>>76508409
Suprise, suprise.

Give me the paper.

>>76508493
Not him but I think he means mongols.

>>76508513
and what the fuck has that to do with Norway or other western european countries? afaik the only branch that is "iberian" is the df27 and it peaks in the basque region of Spain and France

>>76508544
Well technically not Mongols, but Huns. But yeah.

>>76508493
>Slavs destroyed Finnics during the migration period
No, Volga Finnics had kingdoms until, rather ironically, they got BTFO by Mongols after allying with Christian Poles. Also we co-founded Kievan Rus with Slavs.
>and Germanics destroyed them several centuries later
No they didn't, Vikings got BTFO whenever they came here and we (or rather Karelians, because we weren't unified) burnt down the Swedish capital prior to their crusades.

>>76508513

R1b are the original IE, R1a is Turkic rape babies

>76508633
Focusing on events and not on the big picture. But I'm not giving you any (You)s or responding to you anymore until you admit that R1b is superior to R1a.

>>76508534
Nvm.
Found it.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6522-Early-Medieval-aDNA-from-Poland-coming-soon
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6522-Early-Medieval-aDNA-from-Poland-coming-soon/page51

And what about it? Everyone knows Slavic expansions were late compared to early Völkerwanderung. Nothing new here.
>>76508663
Except IE is a result of mixing of said R1a and R1b.

>>76508566
Norway has some Iberian rapebabies in its Western cities that were formely trading hubs, such as Bergen.

tfw n1c1 and dont have to associate myself with the indonegroid filth itt

>>76508663
Turkics are aR1an rapebabies

>>76508701
R1b had a different system of dealing with the aborigines.
In the early stages they assimilated them instead of brutally cleansing everyone like R1a folk did.

Maybe that's why they had such advantage later on.

>>76508800
This.

>>76508663
>>>/kipchakhakan/

>>76508720
The Hittites (Oldest Historical IE) people was R1b and worshipped gods similar to those of the Celts like Tarkhun(Hittite version of Taranis)

>>76508862
>similar to those of Celts

lol

>>76508828
I don't really consider R1a to be inferior. I just know that he'd never say R1b is superior, and this is beneficial for me because I never want to waste time responding to him.

>>76508862
Hitties were R1b-V88 m8, nothing to do with steppe people, they came from Maykops.

>>76508701
>>76508902
R1a is the supreme one of the two, and I think deep down you know it.

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>>76508914
>Hitties were R1b-V88
AYO HOL' UP

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>>76503894
thank god im italian and not white

Germanics getting utterly destroyed in this thread like always.

>>76506460
>But hey, with all the illegal immigrations we are receiving we may end up as USA-lite soon
that's exactly the purpose of mass immigration, mass engineering to create a "white european" identity, just like they created a "white american" identity. The elite play by the same book, they just change the terminology

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>>76503894
We poles are white, too bad we haven't achieved shit since the year 0.
At least we are liked by our white german friends that used to gas us with Zyklom-b and our russian slavic brothers that starved us like fucking animals inside gulags

>>76509711
I can imagine olive-oil sweat pouring of your brown-swarthy cheeks with your sausage fingers dirty and stinky from the pasta with tomato sauce you just ate, with furious arab look writing this butthurt post in hopes of achieving some sort of backlash or polish butthurt here.

I'll give you (you) for the dubs.

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wtf I hate italians now

>>76510137
>in hopes of achieving some sort of backlash or polish butthurt here.

he succeded in doing so my butthurt Polack friend

Half of the /int/ catalog is a running testament to Polish fannypain

>>76510241
>my butthurt Polack friend
Diaspora please. Don't you have some anti-polish threads to attend to?

GO ON MY MIGHTY WINGED HUSSAR, defend your glorious virgin homeland of pooland on the internet lol.

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>this whole thread

>>76510285
I am not that guy.

I am Swedish and just hate Germanics, you are by far the most pathetic Polish poster on here with your constrant white knighting of your ancestral enemies.

>>76510425
>I am Swedish
Somehow I doubt that.
>white knighting of your ancestral enemies.
Wut

>>76510425
>I am not that guy.
The Albanian then, I take it? :^)

>>76510285
"Diaspora" Lmao so you left your country for Pooland? what a fucking textbook subhuman gypsy you are LMAOOOO der untermensch
Analbanian tier

>>76510472
Slavs and Germanics are eternal enemies

>>76510512
"Albanian" anyway It have been fun seeing you retards get rekt in this thread like you always do.

>>76503894
>Polacks
>Relevant

>>76510698
>Slavs and Germanics are eternal enemies
Except it's bullshit.
West Slavs owe their technological boost to Eastern Germanics m8. While Slavs were masters of farming and trade, they didn't poses advanced metalurgy and political system that Germanics had. Potter's wheel is debatable.

Nationalism and patriotism has nothing to do with cold facts,

>>76506111
Deny germany was Roman soil for 100 years
Deny that slave term comes from slav
> What you were back in the days

>>76510821
>communism
>mass starvations
>cannibalism

WE WUZ TRADE MASTAH JUST LIK VENETIANS

>>76510821
Germanics have been attacking and threatening slavs for centuries.

Swedish-Novgorod wars
Swedish-Russian wars
Swedish-Polish wars
Teutonic order
attempts to germanize west slavs
Racist theories declaring slavs untermench
ww1
ww2
current EU and Nato bullshit

there might have been some mutualy benefitial relations between us as well but stop pretending that we don't hate each other.

>>76510885
>Deny germany was Roman soil for 100 years
By "Germany" I'm guessing you mean parts of Germany. Which they eventually took from you, plus a bunch more including Italy itself (inb4 Franks weren't Germanic). Oh, and if we're including the Eastern Germanics in this, then Germanics also took Iberia and North Africa from you.

>>76510885
>Deny germany was Roman soil for 100 years
It wasn't.
>Deny that slave term comes from slav
It doesn't. Slavs come from "Słowo/Slovo" -
word. Some argue that from 'slawa/slava' - glory.
But. What does it have to do with what I wrote though?
>>76510919
That's East Slavs for you.
But why not, I'll bite:
>losing to Ethiopians
>losing to Austrians 20+ times in the sam fucking place
>losing to WWII France
I can go on m8.
>>76510960
Nationalism and patriotism has nothing to do with cold facts,

>>76509321
Smart Luigi.

>>76511016
>Nationalism and patriotism has nothing to do with cold facts,

the fact is that Slavs and Germanics hate each other and have been fighting for a long time. We each others arch enemies.

>>76511054
Why do you care so much if you are neither Germanic or Slavic, my Albanian friend?

>>76511054
Your childish view of bad and good has nothing to do with reality.

You might as well call everyone arch-enemy of everyone. Since all Europeans raped and killed each other at some point.

>>76511080
""""Albanian""""

>>76511095
While it is true that Germanics have been cunts towards everyone you can't deny that Germanics have been especially vile towards Slavic peoples.

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>>76511016
>(west)-slavs

Lmao @ this low iq untermensch

>>76510992
Augustus conquered germany and Tiberius Lost It, plus the Rhine and danube were the limes; then about the barbaric invasion i think that the called them self roman barbaric reign and were still nominate by eastern romans, plus if i do not Remember bad the francks called their Empire Holy Roman Empire no?

>>76511309
>GDP
>IQ
I can clearly see that you have some mental deficiency.

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>>76511016
You are still useless parasites

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>>76511540
>Africa/albania tier GDP per capita
>not related to extremely low iq
DUH

>>76511575
You're projecting now.
And it turned to the personal attacks since you lack proper arguments.

Makes you look like a fool. Way to prove my point.

>>76511685
>i'm butthurt because i'm a literal parasite subhuman compared to modern italians and their ancestors
>uh stop pls... not an argument italians ain't white n shieet they ain't romans they an't renaissance

Are north and south Italians different or is it only memes?

What's the point of these threads? You could take any random Italian city and it's probably accomplished more than the entirety of Eastern Europe totalled together

>>76512064
mostly memes, even if calabrians and south sicilians are partuicularly dark skinned,
culturally speaking the only big difference is the mafia that is a sort of deviated bourguasie that freezes all attempts to develop south italy + a very conservative society maekes everything even more hard --> nowadays southern italians are poorer than northern ones, but share the same common values since we have same education

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>Eupedia maps

>>76504080
>I think it was used more to refer specifically to North-West Europeans since White Americans are mostly from the British Isles and Germany
It was meant for wasps. Catholic germs were treated every bit as shittily as catholic french, italian and irish.

>northern italy
B-But weren't they germanic and shit

>>76513090
they were, until the evil hordes of south italians made them forcefully ingest melanin-enriched proteins

Italy is not white due to the massive amounts of Albanians, Romanians, Africans, and maghrebians much like my country is not white due to the massive amounts of spics and niggers

>>76512139
slavic inferiority complex

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>>76503894
STOP PICKING ON ITALIANS.

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>Poles are wh-

>>76513735
WE

>>76506942
nice joke russia