Language Learning - /lang/

>>76401206
first for death metal

>>76401116
Yeah, that's what my though process has been so far. I have absolutely no interest in Chinese culture but I am interested in Arab and Persian culture. Persian is somewhat related to English so it should be the easiest to learn.

>>76401206
How can I take the CEFR test for French?

>>76376229
Work ever works best for you, as long as it is EVERY DAY.

>>76401401
CIEP / Alliance Français manages that for French. Search it on google and see if they are doing tests in your state.

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Hey, I tried to make a french flowchart.
I'd love it if any french learners could help me improve it, and keep making flowcharts guys, especially the American guy

>>76401546
I appreciate these flowcharts that you guys make as they can be helpful for beginners. However, I personally don't like them. I don't think there's a certain time when you become intermediate and that you should do this and that. It can give some people the wrong idea about learning a language.

For me, I like to just go with the flow and immerse myself in the language. Have a textbook to learn how the language works, use anki to learn sentences, practice listening with youtube vloggers, practice writing by using hellotalk or interpals, practice speaking by going out in the city or using hellotalk again.

Learning is different for everyone.

>>76401371
>Persian is somewhat related to English
how??

>>76401775
They have a common ancestor many thousands of years ago, Proto Indo-European. All of the languages in Europe besides Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian, and Basque are part of this large language family. The Iranian and Indian languages are part of the Indo-Europoean family as well, including Kurdish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

>>76401866
Ah, you were talking about that. Roger.

>>76401546
Duolingo isn't useful after half way? Is that a common feeling for all languages or just yours on French?

>>76401371
Keep in mind that it has been at least 4000 years since Proto-Indo-Iranian diverged from Proto-Germanic, and any remaining similarities may be pretty minor.

>>76402081
I know that, but it will certainly make it easier than learning a completely alien language like Quechua or Chinese.

What's this fascination with the Russian languages I see around here? Lots of people are saying they want to or are learning it. Is that just /pol/sters fascinated by the shirtless dwarf or what?

>>76402193

It's exotic enough to interesting/impressive to learn but not so exotic that it is intimidating.

B2fag here, I'm willing to speak with my /int folks

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>>76401546
Looks good faм.

>>76401723
I agree, I thought about making the Swedish one with no "guide" or "follow this then do that" kinda instructions because of the reasons you mentioned but it was going to be a little empty so I ended up putting a short one in it.

>>76402023
Duolingo is only useful for vocabulary and maybe a little bit of osmotic grammar learning.

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>>76401546
>French music
>Zaz stromae
Please god no. I'd pour garlic juice in your eyes if you were to say that head to head to me
Put Jacques Brel, Léo ferré, Edith Piaf, Jacques Dutronc, Brassens, Joe Dassin, Charles Aznavour instead.

>>76403280
I've just started learning a language and that has been my finding.

Pimsleur seems to help me the most with speaking. Lingvist and Duolingo are good for vocab. Memrise is good for handy phrases so far.

>>76255183
Is Princeton Russian Course better than Russian Course byMemrise?

>>76403455
Lol
Are you stuck in 1950

>>76401546
Lot of people can't pronounce the French U m8, add it.
Also, Stromae is Belgian not French

I've got a quick question about Turkish
Why do phrases like İyi akşamlar and iyi geceler seem to be in plural? Why is it good nights/geceler and not night/gece?

>>76401539
>>76401546
Or you could just go on Tv5monde and learn French
http://apprendre.tv5monde.com/?utm_source=tv5monde&utm_medium=metanav&utm_campaign=langue-francaise_mise-en-avant_apprendre-le-francais

>>76403906
It's the same in Spanish, buenos días, buenas noches
No reason in particular

radio garden, Exa fm 104.9 mexico city
They're talking about how gay men get stimulation from anal penetration

>>76404082
You trying to learn Spanish?

>>76403906
there is no specific answer I think, but if you only say "iyi gece" it seems like just a half sentence in Turkish, just an adjective and a noun
so "-ler" is more of an emphasizer rather than a plural maker

>>76404116
Yeah. I'm just surprised by the topic, it seems like something that would never be on the radio in America.

>>76403479
Agree on all points.

Make sure you start ingesting media (writing/tv/movies) soon. Pimsleur is too slow and enunciated for normal conversation. It definitely helps you to be understood (speaking) but listening comprehension is a totally different ballgame.

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>>76403749
>Not loving Little Sparrow
Look at this contrarian.

>>76403906
If you want to wish something good or bad on someone you add the plural to the end, "İyi geceler, Hayırlı ramazanlar, Büyüklere selamlar.." as for why that is the case it is not a grammar rule it's just how people said that through the years so it kinda got stuck you see.Sentence will sound naked to a native speaker if you don't add that"-ler/-lar".

>>76404122
Huh thats interesting.
While I've got you here can I ask you about the names of the days? Knowing the meaning behind them might help me memorize them better. Like Friday is Cuma and Saturday is Cumartesi, right? So does that mean anything? Same with Sunday being Pazar and Monday being Pazartesi. Tuesday being Salı seems to be a bit of an outlier as Wednesday/Çarşamba and Thursday/Perşembe sound similar.
Sorry for the weird question, but it knowing the background/history of some words helps me solidify the vocab in my mind.

>>76404192
Thank you. I'm still pretty early in my learning, but already want to incorporate movies and tv. I need to find some Spanish movies and TV with subtitles. Narcos and Pan's Labyrinth are on my list. Someone mentioned watching anime with spanish dubs AND subtitles, but I don't know where to torrent that.

>>76404155
Yeah, American radiowaves are extremely regulated.

>>76404401
Pazartesi and Cumartesi are actually conjunction of two words, Pazar + ertesi and Cuma + ertesi respectively. Erte means "after, future etc." but we actually never use it on its own, however "X ertesi" or "X-in/ın ertesi", meaning "after X", are more commonly used. So after Pazar, Pazartesi comes, logically. I actually don't have a clue about the rest of days, they may have some meanings in old turkish/arabic/ottoman etc but definitely not used in modern turkish, çarşamba/perşembe included. Pazar also means bazaar/market, maybe it's because people usually go to pazar on Pazar

>>76404440
Definitely start soon.

I was learning Spanish for a time before I travelled through a number of Spanish speaking countries but I used the resources you already listed.

I could get around but was only able to have a conversation if people accommodated and slowed down.

>>76404923
I'm very fortunate to have a variety of Spanish speaking colleges. After I get the basics I'm going to start chatting with them more which should help. A lot of them only speak Spanish though, no English, so I need to a little bit of a baseline to get started.

How is your Spanish now? How long have you been learning?

>>76403479
Pimsleur is really good for developing a native accent. FSI is pretty good too, plus it's free.

>>76403455
>head to head
I don't know if that's a joke or a reference. But, usually english speakers would say face to face. Not head to head.

>>76404916
Do you have any idea which came first - the day was called Pazar because it's the day for shopping, or the activity got its name from the day?

>>76405295
Perfect. It's so much easier to practice your Spanish when the other person has shit or non-existent English. You can't fall back to what you already know.

My Spanish is still terrible because I'm still on holidays (but left Spain about 2 months ago) and so haven't focused on learning again.

>>76401206

I'm close to b2 in german trying to read winnetou but it's hard as shit I dont know almost every other word.

Also I would say after grammar the hardest part of german is being able to say the verbs at the end of a sentence when speaking it feels so backwards.

And I'm also learning basic french, does anybody know any good online french resources?

>>76405598
what I said is more of a theory, I've seen people/articles mentioning it but I've never seen an evidence but it's most likely the former
the word Pazar comes from Persian so it's wiser to ask them, because I'm sure that Ottomans stole both the word and its 2 meanings together (didn't steal one meaning and from that invented the other)

>>76401546
does anyone else on here like to study languages as long as possible during the day? I feel like I dont get shit done in 1 or 2 hours

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>>76405598
The word we use for Friday "Cuma" comes from the arabic root of getting together, which is like "c'ma" or something, as friday is the sunday for muslims, get together time.So it's highly likely the day "Pazar" also came from something like "time shop" as it's also a loan word.

>native
Russian

>speak
Polish, English

>used to learn but don't speak now, but can understand some words
French

>never learned but understand
Ukrainian, Belarussian (for theese languages skills in Polish are usefull too)

>>76406074
I feel like progress is a simple matter of hours worked.
So the more you do the faster you improve. Though after a while it's hard to keep your motivation up because you feel like you never going to see the end and your progress slows down because you don't put in the right amount of hours anymore.

>>76406266
>I feel like progress is a simple matter of hours worked.
Yep, one of the best things I read about language learning is to measure it in hours and not in months or years.

>>76404916
Teşekkürler! That actually helps me a bit. I figured there was something to do with after but I haven't learned Erte yet, only sonra.
>>76406029
This is also really good to know, at least in my case.

>>76405511
Thanks, didn't know about FSI. There are so many tools it's overwhelming.

>>76405694
How long have you been trying to learn?

>>76406266
>>76406373
Is 600 hours to learn Spanish from English a meme?

>>76406447
The foreign service institute says 600 hours of courses is required for an English speaker to reach proficiency in Spanish. So if you're doing it on your own it might take a little bit more, depending on your self-motivation and method.
If you put in an average of 2 hours per day that's less than an year, which is nothing for getting to an B2-C1 level.

>>76406389
also "ertelemek" means "to postpone"

>>76406885
Thank you.

>get overconfident, because I can write an essay in Spanish without breaking a sweat
>start reading literature in Spanish
>can't even get through ther first page without having my nose on the dictionary
I really need something easy to read like comic books

>>76405566
>tête-à-tête
It's a French expression. We use it in Greek too, mainly on football

>>76407456
Do you have a saying you use when you are "applying for something"?

>>76407107
I know the feeling. What about childrens books?

>>76401206
Moar resources

https://pastebin.com/JN01tWVF

>>76407513
I have some in French actually, good idea.

>>76407107
Try Mortadelo y Filemón, it's one of the most popular
I also read Zipi y Zape when I was little, I think both have a fair amount of weird words but if you get past that they're pretty fun

>>76401206
Don't know if I should fall for the telegram chat meme again...

Ask me about the language you're learning. I like questions

>>76407699
cheers

>>76407512
Like apply for a job or something?
We have "kάνω αίτηση για kάτι" which literally means "I make application/request for something" .

>>76407512
We use the verb "prijaviti (se)" (reflexive)
It literally means "to-at-call" or loosely "literally" "to adhere"

>>76407784
Yeah like applying for a job.I see, I was wondering if you had something like we use "başvurmak" which word for word translates to hitting your head but means applying for a job, like an idiom.

>>76407869
Yours also sounds normal for what it's trying to say desu.

>>76408001
And for getting in, we use the verb "upasti" colloquially. "To fall into [X]" lmao

>>76407869
Does the se make it reflexive? That's the same as in Spanish if that's the case

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>>76403455

>>76401206
Forever stuck on B2 with needing some more for C1
fuck my life

>>76403792
>Belgian
But people speak French in Belgium

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>>76403455
>Charles Aznavour

>>76408058
The "se" makes it reflexive, yes.
Same as in all Slavic languages. For example, Russian appends it in style of a suffix. "cя"

Their "бoятьcя" (lat. bojat'sja) - "to be affraid" is our "Bojati se"

easiest and fastest language to learn?

>>76408557
One closest to your mother tongue.
Don't want to study those and proficient in English? Those closest to English.
You have your choices narrowed now

>>76408557
Memesperanto
Or probably Spanish, if you want to learn a real language

>>76408557
for you, spanish or galician

>>76408557
Can't brs learn spanish in like a week

>>76408458
Interesting, does it conjugate with the rest of the verb?
For example in Spanish the infinitive form of to bathe yourself is "bañarse", but when it's conjugated into the first person present it becomes "me baño"
Interestingly the verb to be afraid isn't reflexive in Spanish

>>76408557
In general for everyone?Has to be some conlang like Esperanto, in your case it's Spanish I imagine.

>>76408736
It is not conjugated.

"Kupam se" - "I bathe [myself]"
"Kupaš se" - "You bathe [yourself]"

>>76408736
reflexive verbs were totally alien to me since we don't have them in Finnish. I first learned them in Swedish. They are quite interesting, for example, to learn in Swedish is actually to teach oneself.

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>>76408557

>>76408770
He should spend a bone grinding 4-5 months of learning Latin. It will unlock vast potential for understanding all Romance languages. Since he's a native speaker of a Romance language, this skill will be even more invaluable
When I say "learning Latin", I mean vocabulary primarily. There are some good Vulgar Latin books out there (unfortunately, I've lost them since my laptop broke down), but they were invaluable to me

>>76408987
This desu, I thought it would go like "Jag har lart Svenska", turns out it's more like "Jag har lart mig Svenska".

>>76409273
You studied Latin?

any anon learning arabic?

>>76409444
>Jag har lart mig Svenska
Sounds unnatural...

>>76409444
>You studied Latin?
Yes

it's impossible to learn a language after you become 10

>>76405566
Ah yeah that's it. Honest mistake
I usually mix idioms and play it "Ah yeah, well I'm French I can't speak English anyway" so I've gotten pretty lazy with those.

>>76406406
More than I care to admit but I had no focus and was doing it haphazardly so had long breaks in between where I had to essentially start from the beginning multiple times. Probably over the course of 2 years...

>>76410143
Yes. Don't bother.

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>>76401206

>Azerbaijani
>the Memrise courses suck
>I can help you with Dutch, Low Saxon, Papiamentu
>I need Azeri's to explain me some stuff

pls halp

>>76413325
Why not start with Turkish? It's almost the same.

>>76413423
I will be travelling to Azerbaijan soon. Besides that, I love their cute little schwa

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>>76404916
I didn't think I'd ever say this, but that's kind of cute bro.

>>76405888
>>76401546

>>76406373
>Yep, one of the best things I read about language learning is to measure it in hours and not in months or years.
I should keep that in mind for my study and learning

>>76408118
Which language?

>>76407699
This

"Mortadelo y Filemón" is hella funny