Poland and Hungary BTFO

>french deficits and denbt are out of control and it gets worse every year
>"y-yes we need more integration and a common budget and welfare state in the EU"

Because it's impossible to press out even more taxes out of his people he now wants to waste the money of the citizens of other countries as well.
Damn I hate the french, out of a wide range of people they always manage to elect the one with the craziest and most irresponsible commie idea.

>>76397841
He's right, tho. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

>>76398185
Somebody should tell that to Germany and its trade surplus that consistently goes over the EU imposed limit

>>76397841
French fiscal deficit is 3.4% of GDP. Could be lower but it's hardly "out of control"

>>76397773
Nothing is going to happen, even if Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are forced to take refugees in, the refugees will leave for Germany ASAP.

Imagine being forced to move to a country where most of the people don't want you there. Sad but that's reality.

>>76398751
>where most of the people nobody want you there.

Fixed. In fact about 80% or something Hungarians agree that we don't need muslims here. In part it's largely due to our history with the Ottoman empire. We're still extremely butthurt about Islam. But also we're generally down to earth, reasonable people. We see the failure of Western Europe and ask ourselves, if they jump into a well to die, why must we jump along them too?

But to be honest, we're actually a lot less racist than foreigners believe. We just have big mouths and like to complain, but in real life attacks and abuse on foreigners are literally unheard of.
I mean, middle easterners and latin americans often get mistaken for a run of the mill gypsy, and gypsies are nothing out of the ordinary, so they'll just fly under the radar.

>>76399542
>we're actually a lot less racist than foreigners believe

In Hungary maybe, if mudslimes start immigrating in mass to Poland there will be lynchings in the street. Don't kid yourself.

>>76397841
This is what makes me laugh, the French and Germans aren't best friends they're constantly at each others' throats since they vote for the opposite. It's going to get much worse now France has a bigger vote share

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>>76397773
lol who cares

>>76399630
>In Hungary maybe, if mudslimes start immigrating in mass to Poland there will be lynchings in the street
Well, I find that unlikely, but not impossible. Unfortunately Poland is like, Russia lite.

>>76399886
are you going to post this in every thread now that you figured out it garners replies?

>>76399886
>Unfortunately Poland is like, Russia lite
How many poles have you met? And not the nouveau-riche 'intellectuals' living abroad, I mean common people. Poles are on the whole uneducated, highly nationalistic, and quick to anger/resort to violence.

Macron is dreaming if he thinks he is going to forcefully integrate not only brown people, but also muslims into fucking poland kek. Of course all of this ignores the fact that everywhere east of berlin is a shithole that no one would willingly want to move to anyway.

>>76400110
>Poles are on the whole uneducated, highly nationalistic, and quick to anger/resort to violence.
>zero self awareness: the post

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>>76397773

>you were born just in time to see the EU collapse

>>76400209
I'm from the UK originally, I've met lot of poles. You are basically white niggers.

>>76399997
Do you think it's civilized, European behavior to beat people up for their skin color?

I didn't think so.
Shit like this you expect from Russia, not Poland.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3469206/Chilean-attacked-Poland-mistaken-Arab.html
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-indian-student-attacked-in-poland-sushma-swaraj-demands-report-2377135

>>76400257
>I'm from the UK originally
oh, even better then, a country where our citizens literally get beaten to death in the street by gangs of hooligans.

>>76400261
we have over three times your population and you are surprised there are more criminal incidents here?

>>76400257
>I'm from the UK originally
-1 self awareness

>>76400222

maybe we were born in time to see you fuck off from the EU too... come on faggots, the voting was last year, fuck off already, cant wait to close the borders in gigibraltar and watch that city burn.

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>>76399542
>failure of Western Europe
>says Hungary

>>76400477
>we have over three times your population and you are surprised there are more criminal incidents here?

Since we have 0 racially induced attacks on foreigners in Hungary, even if you multiply that by 3 or even 4, the total sum still remains 0.

>>76401096
I meant in the sense that terror attacks and beheadings are a weekly news there, meanwhile in Eastern Europe such things are unheard of - mostly because we don't have any muslims here.

Western Europe wants us to take in migrants, while they can't even control the ones they have in their own countries, not even those who are second or third generation immigrants. Western Europe did fail in integrating these people, and they want us to make the same mistakes they did. That is unacceptable.

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>>76400257
Oi mate, im from England
Poles is some woite nigger innit
fook off me home

>>76397841
richest countries always have the biggest debts.
how come you don't have no relevant Army, little boy, despite being a fucking jew thief aka "tak haven" ?

Also cut the crap with your fucking stereotypes.

>>76397773
What is your point when you say "Poland and Hungary BTFO" ?

- yes, Macron doesn't like the President of Hungary and "illberal" democracies.
- no, Macron doesn't want more protection in Europe, it's a lie.

>>76397841
*tax haven

>>76397773
This retard thinks France can be his 'startup'...

>>76401240
>relevant rich nations have terrorist attacks because they do relevant things
>hungary is so poor terrorism would have no effect there as there are no good targets except slav subhumans

>>76397773
There's a 'final solution' to the Poles from Germany!

>>76401262
You know we had the worst of it because we were the *only* country that took the spirit and letter of free movement seriously in 2004, when countries like France pussied out and asked for an exemption clause? Sure sounds like nations wanting special privileges to me.

>>76401597
It's just a joke anon. Take that broom out of your arse and chill out. You're acting like a French

>>76400222
May's "strong and stable" UK seems to be beating them to the punch.

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>>76402435
I'm on edge from all this EU business mon frere

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>>76402565
It's alright anon. It happens to everyone. Try going for a walk sometimes. A good breather can do you good when needed.
Be strong anon. Dark times will eventually end.

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>>76397773
>>The centrist, pro-European Macron pledged to work closely with Germany to deepen social protection for lower middle classes across the bloc and shore up support for the European project.
You mean:
The globalist, pro-immigrant Macron pledged to work closely with the Rothschild's to deepen social division amongst lower middle European classes across the bloc and shore up support for the EU - NWO project.

>>76400222
more like the EU will survive just long enough to watch the UK crash and burn first

>>76397773
>He warned Central and Eastern European countries
oh no!!!!1
I'm so scared, someone please hug me before I piss myself
>The countries in Europe that don’t respect the rules
Could someone remind me what rules exactly did we break?

>>76403341
Respect for independence of judiciary and public media? Things that are guaranteed by Polish constitution?

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>>76397773
>pro-European
I thought Macron was pro-Muslim

>>76403504
>Respect for independence of judiciary and public media?
Do you even have the slightest clue about the dynamics of Polish internal politics? Because I don't think so.

>>76403341
Become brown or else

>>76398751
>even if Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are forced to take refugees in, the refugees will leave for Germany ASAP.
>implying Germ border control wouldn't suddenly get much more effective to not let them in back
No mate, there's no even ifs here. Giving up and agreeing to let them in would create a very dangerous precedence. No to rapefugee quotas, period.
>>76399886
>Unfortunately Poland is like, Russia lite.
Bait or not, go fuck yourself lad

>>76403598
Slovakia maintained strict security checks and only admits families, minors and women.

We took 19 refugees and pledged to take a few hundred more and look - no infringement procedure against Slovakia. European Commission even praised us.

Stop acting like there's no middle ground between having open borders and a complete refusal to admit anyone.

REFUGEE OR NOT FUCK OFF, WE DO NOT WANT YOU HERE.

>>76399886
>Unfortunately Poland is like, Russia lite.
Wtf is wrong with you Magyar?

>>76398751
hes not just talking about refugees, he mentioned posted workers (where a worker is hired and paid by a company in for example poland, but carries out their work in france whiel receiving polish pay) undermining working and pay standards for the french

Every country in the EU, even the 'majors', treats it like a supermarket, if by "supermarket" he means aggressively pursuing their own self-interest. Look at how France digs their heels in over CAP reform for instance.

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>>76397773

>>76403794
accept all your disgusting migrants back and close off your borders then.

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>>76404084

>>76403970
Sure, everyone in the EU tries to defend their own interests. That's understandable.

However, we can't forget that the EU is a club of democratic countries. There can be no compromise when it comes to liberal democracy in the EU itself. Hungary and Poland can't become another Turkey and Russia. When Viktor Orbán builts his autocratic regime that's hostile to Europe on EU subsidies then something should be done about it.

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Friendly reminder OP is a homosexual Slovakian antifa supporter who has Kurdish boyfriend and gets off to the thought of taking in muslim immigrants and imagining neighboring countries getting sanctioned.

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>>76404153

I'm going to immigrate to Poland.

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>>76403504
Is that you, antifa fag? How about you do some fact checking instead of spewing whatever bullshit you've read in leftie clickbait articles?
>Respect for independence of judiciary
Judiciary was ridiculously corrupt for many years, and there are proofs for that. Someone is finally trying to track down their little club of untouchables.
>and public media? Things that are guaranteed by Polish constitution?
Christ, do you have any idea what are you even talking about?
Public media was never independent, because (duh) it's public. And its "independence" was never "guaranteed by Polish constitution".
Here's what is guaranteed by our constitution:
"Rzeczpospolita Polska zapewnia wolność prasy i innych środków społecznego przekazu." - "Republic of Poland guarantees the freedom of newspapers and other forms of media (literally: social messaging)."
That means the government-funded public media is free to spew whatever pro-government propaganda they like, while the independent media is free to spew whatever anti-government propaganda they like.
Which is the case, because, oddly enough, in our ebil, authoritarian state there's a whole array of newspapers, televisions, and news sites that are rabidly anti-government. Some people (mostly post-gommies, by the way) organize regular anti-government marches and nobody's stopping them or attacking them.

That said, how the fuck is any of our internal matters related to accepting immigrant quotas?

EU never compete china

>>76397773
>conform or die

Ah yes the lovely EU

>>76404415
the funniest thing is that they are sending threats and "ultimatums" but everyone knows they have no way of enforcing anything, that's why we can just tell them to fuck off

>>76404185
>homosexual
No, I'm not. I just fully support equality for LGBT people.
>Slovakian
Yes.
>antifa supporter
I've only been to a few big demos, but I'm certainly no anarchist or commie.
>who has Kurdish boyfriend
Lmao, I have no idea how could you come up with something so ridiculous.
>and gets off to the thought of taking in muslim immigrants
No, I just refuse to abandon principles that Europe developed in the wake of WWII. I believe in humanism and democracy, not ethno-nationalism and sectarianism.
>and imagining neighboring countries getting sanctioned.
The need to spread abroad is built in Orbán's model of illiberalism. These regimes in Poland and Hungary are threatening democracy in my country as well. Orbán and Kaczynski won't stop stop until they feel some pushback.

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>>76404385
>trying to reason with a gay communist

Japan never compete China

>>76403728
>We took 19 refugees and pledged to take a few hundred more
Congratulations. And you think they won't keep sending more?
And what about the fact that an average Slovak didn't want this, but a foreign, arbitrarily elected politician made a decision for them? Is democracy suddenly passé?
>European Commission even praised us.
Good boy!

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>yurope is not a supermarket


we know, it's a faggot fuckfest of who fucks over whom first.

so deal with it froggy socialist kike

>germany wants to take refugees
>imposes this to the rest of the EU
>LOL POLAND RACIST XDD

It's not hard of understand,

>>76404748
It's not even the case this time, it's just Macro trying to kickstart his Big Boy political career and establish himself as someone more than just a sidekick of Germany's Kaligula. He needs to appear as a strong and decisive leader, that's why he decided to attack countries that appear as the easiest targets in European Union elite circles.

>>76405174
>
Slavs and spics are the future

>>76405174
This, Farrage did the same to get more votes for Brexit
We're EU's favourite scapegoat, white enough to not be protected by political correctness, but not white enough to be treated as such.
White niggers indeed.

>>76405626
white peopel are stupid


thats why the kikes and commies sold this shithole out to the zionist while these idiots gave what's left of their "independence" away to a federalist dictatorship without so much as a bullet flying ot a head rolling

This ((((((country)))))) is about as much of a ((((((country))))))) as ukraine is.

>>76397773
Then why don't Germs respect democratic values if they care about them so much? Why not make a voting or a referendum about the immigrants before threatening us with sanctions?

>>76406562
>Then why don't Germs respect democratic values
You're talking about a country where people can be prosecuted over dissenting social media posts.

>>76406651
>he called germany a country


A?HAHAA glupie polaczki kacapiaczki

Is this... Polish butthurt on display?

>>76404185
me on the middle

>>76397773
>“We have to promote a Europe that goes toward greater economic and social wellbeing,” he said, or risk being “wiped out by the rise in illiberal democracies and authoritarian regimes.”
>On 13 November 2015, immediately following a series of terrorist attacks in Paris, was due to expire after four extensions in April or May 2017.[3][4][15][16] As of 23 July 2016, almost 3,600 houses had been raided under the state of emergency, leading to more than 400 arrests, the seizure of more than 500 weapons including 40 war weapons,[17] and four or five of these raids led to a terrorism-linked judicial investigation.[18][19] Some Muslim rights groups criticized the raids as unfairly targeting French Muslims, especially those of North African descent, claiming that they are conducted with little concern for civil rights, and pointing out that only one terrorism-related investigation led to prosecution by August 2016.[2] On 16 November 2016, President François Hollande and Prime Minister Manuel Valls announced that the state of emergency would be extended until the 2017 presidential elections, stating that the measure would be necessary to protect rallies and other events during the electoral campaign.[20] In the run up to his election as President, Emmanuel Macron stated that he would make a decision regarding the state of emergency once he had been briefed by the security services. On 24 May 2017, following a security meeting held to discuss the situation after the Manchester Arena bombing, he announced that he would ask parliament to extend the state of emergency until November 2017.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_emergency_in_France#Historical_instances

>>76400261
Don't be ridiculous, Hungary has 100% higher murder rate than Poland:
>UNODC murder rates (per 100,000 inhabitants). Most recent year UNODC has published:
>Poland - 0.74
>Hungary - 1.48
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

>>76403728
>European Commission even praised us
hahaha, pls tell me you are baiting

i start to like this guy
eu needs to get to its former form, eastern europe should fuck off, especilly countries like romania,greece,bulgaria
czech, slovenia and croatia can stay though, and baltic and russian border zone transfrom into dmz

>>76408021
hungary has gypsie and romanians while all your bydlos migrated to uk, germany and france

>>76410022
Your quasi counter-argument fails on several levels:
1, Hungarians also migrate to the West
2. we have over million Ukrainians, Belarusians, Russians, etc.
3. you would also have to prove that Polish murder rate before our accession to the UE was higher than in Hungary. Was it? No, it wasn't, see:
2003:
Poland 1.72
Hungary 2.33
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Murder-rate#2003

>>76405174
>kickstart his Big Boy political career
It goes beyond refugees as he clearly stated, EE workers are a rather thorny issue in some countries.

>>76411282
hungarian migrants are not bydlo tier, it is indeedd the opposite, the best ones leave hungary and bydlos, gypsies and r*manians are lfeft in Hungary, thus the growing and high rates. While poland's rate decreases because of massive departure of bydlos

>>76397773
This confrontational tone may win sympathies at home but will prove EU's unmaking.

Surely he's intelligent enough to realize that by fingering eastern euros, even if he doesn't specifically mention Poland, Hungary etc he's shitting on head of people who support EU in here and playing into hands of demagogues.

If this goes on and the EU-politicians are not able to offer a positive vision then the next round of elections will be dominated by nationalists.

>>76412163
Can you imagine a US politician trying to win popularity by siccing one state against another?

For all the
>muh globalists
conspiracies, the "elites" are adorably myopic and local-oriented.

>>76412163
>the next round of elections will be dominated by nationalists
lolno

>>76412416
Well not in UK obviously. You don't have any left, they all fled after the brexit debacle.

Unless Macron proves a miracle worker however...

>>76412477
Pretty sure Macron could shit in your open mouths and you would still vote pro-EU, if I were a betting man I'd place good money on it.

>>76411723
your quasi counter-argument fails on two levels:
1. provide actual data measuring "bydloness" of Poles vs. Hungary, without this factor we can only talk about your personal impression that is methodologically irrelevant.
2. you didn't refute the fact that Poland has mass influx of immigrants from the East who come from societies with several times higher murder rates than among our native population, eg. only in 2015 we gave 780000 permissions to come here, not counting people who came illegaly:
http://www.financialobserver.eu/poland/a-new-wave-of-ukrainian-migration-to-poland/

>>76412680
shut up you dumb illiterate slavshit, i'd take 100000 Libyan or Syrian refugees over 1 pig trash pole drunkard migrant

>>76397773
>to deepen social protection for lower middle classes across the bloc
>is neoliberal

you just know it's over when you have to use blatant lies and propaganda

>>76412508

Well, that is true, because I actually care about Europe. It would take EU to actually become oppressive institution for me to turn against it. Just like you will seek to ruin it because you hate everyone who doesn't agree with you.

I imagine many voters who don't feel this way will not share this sentiment though and will say "well fuck that frog eating faggot and fuck the EU" instead.

>>76412477
>You don't have any left, they all fled after the brexit debacle
So nationalist flee their countries when they win? I guess they don't have much faith in their policies then.

>>76413158
Oh yes, it's a very selfless sacrifice you're making, finding ways to spend that extra €1billion a year, don't get me wrong. Lord knows it won't be me telling you to come down off the cross.

>>76412950
Your quasi counter-argument seems to be extremely emotional. I would even say that you may be severely triggered.

Based Macron
All hail our new Emperor

>>76413382

You're right, giving up on a wide array of mechanism for trade protectionism, subjecting oneself to hamstringing of own agriculture and industry and exposing self to well developed competition is not something to be done lightly. But at the end of the day we are all in this together and fragmented Europe that's at (economic) war with itself is not in any of our interests.

Just imagine if Western Europe focused on solving the migrant crisis instead of attacking those countries that refuse to participate in it.

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>>76413606
Yes. He will bring forth the second era of Jacobines and show conservacuck faggots what you do to rabid doga.

>>76413575
but he is not talking about refugee crisis
he is talking about poles working for polish companies in france and earning less than french minimum wage, thus undercutting french workers and creating a race to the bottom

>>76413575
>solving the migrant crisis
that means no more meddling in M.E. affairs and that's unacceptable

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Oh no, a grannyfucker said something.

>>76413707
>poles working for polish companies in france
You mean, truck drivers who travel around the world?
Yes, that's a good way of destroying our trucking branch, although I agree they should be paid more considering how dangerous it is to travel through France now, another Polish driver was killed by muslims some time ago.

>"let's keep doing the things that made brexit happen"
hehe, good luck macaroni XD

>>76413707
That sounds like problem for French to solve, not the Poles.

I agree that it is a problem. Truck drivers are treated like dogshit even without taking look at the pay.

However if the French are upset about low wages of Poles in Poland then that implies more costly social policies that they are liable to be willing to submit themselves to. Cheap labour in the east is a problem for western workers, but also boon to western consumers and shareholders.

>>76413606
>yfw radical centrist is just another term for neoliberal

>>76413707
Wait, so we are supposed to open our markets for products and services from the west, but we are not supposed to export our products and services there? Hmm... interesting...

>>76413866
>another Polish driver was killed by muslims some time ago.
This shit right here.

Will the animals who did it be deported, or will they be welcomed to UK as war orphans?

>>76413866
i mean factories that are in france yet have their headquarters in poland, and pay polish workers less than minimum wage in france

>>76413888
and french try to solve it, however, it gets blocked by polish and hungarian government on EU level
thats why french are so pissed

>>76397773
>illiberal democracies
What is this? Please, explain. He literally says that his ideology must be forced on anyone else? Fuck, they are just like commies in that regard. Stupid fucking cunt, they only make our relationships more complicated because they are going full retard with it. Fucking imbeciles, I fucking hate them so, so much.

>>76413920
you are not supposed to undercut minimal wages

>>76413917
>tfw neoliberal used to mean "mostly liberal but doesn't hate the poor" before leftists usurped the label and slapped it on right wing

>>76413999
>What is this? Please, explain.
Sure thing buddy

>it's lawful democracy when our guys win
>it's illiberal *insert semitic screeching* shunning of european democratic values when our guys lose

>>76413976
>it gets blocked by polish and hungarian government on EU level
And do you blame them? They are trying to strip the one competitive advantage they have. That's literally what free trade in services is about.

>>76413999
Did you know that being a liberal democracy is literally one of requirements for being a member in EU?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_criteria

>>76413568
There is no united Europe even inside the EU and there never has been, that's why every country including France and Germany pushes hard for their own interests at the expense of others. They've been hitting the snooze button on this for decades but eventually the conflict will come to loggerheads.

>>76413976
>and french try to solve it, however, it gets blocked by polish and hungarian government on EU level
yes, "solving" it by introducing protectionist policies for themselves while expecting Eastern European market to be completely open for competition, nice double standards
>>76413976
>i mean factories that are in france yet have their headquarters in poland, and pay polish workers less than minimum wage in france
what? i think you mixed up something
Macron was mad about Whirlpool (US company) moving factories from France to Poland, because it's more profitable due to lower production costs
if i'm wrong, please correct me with some data

>>76399886
>Unfortunately Poland is like, Russia lite.
We don't attack muslims though. It's vice-versa. Just come to Moscow, it's dangerous to look white there.

>>76414283
we don't attack muslims though, it's a harmful, untrue accusation
we are people of peace, we support law and justice for all

>>76414017
In the common market we are supposed to compete in any way possible, this is how market works. If you don't like it, then you may persecute our companies, but your companies operating here should be also removed, your products and services should be banned etc. Now go check where does Germany sell more products - to Russia, India and Japan combined or to Poland itself, you may be surprised.

>>76414360
I didn't mean it either. People just take some two-three cases and exaggerate them beyond proportions. I bet more Poles were attacked by Muslims in Germany and England than Ploes attacking them. It sounds ridiculous to me. Westerners genocided so many people so now they thing that everyone is a crazy racist just like them.

>>76414214
The problem is that those enterprizes abuse regulations about temporary workforce and let polish workers work in western countries "temporary" (indefinitly), while they earn less than minimum wage and pay taxes in poland

https://www.ft.com/content/7143fcde-4a05-11e7-a3f4-c742b9791d43?mhq5j=e2

>>76414455
Actually in the common market you are supposed to compete by the common rules.

Social policies are a caveat that is too politically sensitive to remove so instead we get stuck with issues like these, and it's unlikely to be fixed as the amount of money that'd need to be moved around would be tremendous.
Maybe the Eurozone will agree on something eventually amongst themselves.

>>76413942
>Will the animals who did it be deported,

Deport them to where exactly? And how do you plan to keep them from coming back?
We deport beaner criminals every day back to mexico but it does fuck all when borders aren't secured.

>>76414283
Honestly, it cannot be bad, in 2010 I saw some larger groups of Muslims near that shopping mall close to the Kievskaya station. For some reason some of them were selling flowers, if I remember correctly, but aside from this and from the metro, I didn't spot too many. The scarest thing was that message repeated in the metro saying that the passenger should check if there is some suspicious bag or packet near them. For a Pole it is real shock.

>>76414480
>those enterprizes abuse regulations about temporary workforce and let polish workers work in western countries "temporary" (indefinitly), while they earn less than minimum wage and pay taxes in poland

That once again sounds like a problem France has with French entrepreneurs and if it's indeed abuse of the system then it's an issue that should be resolved by ECJ rather than pushing a reform politically.

>>76414596
>Deport them to where exactly?
In this case it's quite easy, they were from Eritrea. I have serious doubts that they will be deported (or face any consequences even).
> And how do you plan to keep them from coming back?
Those people pay their life's savings to pay the smugglers to get them to the west, it's a high chance they won't try to do that again, and if enough get deported, less people will be trying to get to Europe in the first place.

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>>76414811
forgot pic
Also, is there even a war in Eritrea? Why were they even allowed to stay in? Western Europe needs to get its shit together.

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>>76397773
Can the V4 already blow this shit up?

Please

>>76414665
The problem is that said enterprizes are using the EU temporary working rights to let poles work in france under polish laws indefinitly.
And this can be only solved on an EU level, by changing the laws on temporary working laws.
However, those changes are blocked by countries like Poland or Hungary.

Since the link hides behind a paywall, i created a pastebin

https://pastebin.com/pHgPN6kv

>>76414665
Its a flawed system he wants to correct. It has to be done politically as the regulations weren't made to protect against such abuse.

>>76414480
Our companies use legal loopholes, just like your companies use loopholes when it comes to paying taxes in Poland. I don't see any reason why western governments may limit our business, while when our government tries to force western supermarket chains to start paying here, then our regulations are blocked on the EU level. Polish shipyards cannot receive public support, but not German. Generally speaking public support for companies should be limited, according to the EU rules, but for some reason things like this happen:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/02/lidl-1bn-public-development-funding-supermarket-world-bank-eastern-europe

etc. etc. This is unfair competition and ultimately this will end the common market.
>>76414535
See above

>>76414654
>The scarest thing was that message repeated in the metro saying that the passenger should check if there is some suspicious bag or packet near them.
It is a routine for every city or town here. I live in a small town, all government public transportation has got such voice announcements. I hear them sometimes.

>>76415069
its not a east vs west thing
loopholes need to be closed to prevent legal abuse
and frankly, i dont understand why you like seeing polish workers getting fucked over by polish companies, earning less than minimum wage in france, were price of living is much higer than in poland

>>76415194
> i dont understand why you like seeing polish workers getting fucked over by polish companies, earning less than minimum wage in france, were price of living is much higer than in poland
because in other case, they would be probably unemployed

>>76414958
>>76414967

I see your position and recognize validity of point you are making, but I have to agree with the Polish gentleman that this is a protectionist measure that goes against principle of free trade.

The grounds are valid - worker protection. But it's protection of national worker against worker of another EU state, and it's a stricter barrier than any country in EU has against third countries.

If a reform that addresses this issue should pass, it should be palatable to the countries with cheaper workforce, not punishing them for being poor.

And again, if it's an issue of abusing existing rules against their purpose then ECJ should resolve it.

>>76415256
if they can only outcompete french workers by abusing legal loopholes, they probably shouldn't be employed in France, should they?

>>76415266
>And again, if it's an issue of abusing existing rules against their purpose then ECJ should resolve it.
ECJ can't resolve the issue, because, as the judicial organ of the EU, it doesn't have the power to change laws

>>76415266
>>76415583
main issue is, western countries try to make rules that benefit only them, and expect eastern countries to comply and "show solidarity" with no regard to any possible damages that may happen to us
that shit could have went through back when we were ruled by corrupt mafia in 2008-2016, but it's no longer the case (which is also why, according to western media, our country is apparently now a dictatorship regime for some reason)

>>76397773
Shouldn't he take care of the French people which live under a threat of another terrorist attack instead of showing his butthurt oversome irrelevant countries that don't care about muh refugees?

>>76415630
so maybe it would be better if we cut the solidarity all together, since its not working?

>>76404084
>>76404139
Probably a Serb living in Croatia

>>76400261
>Do you think it's civilized, European behavior to beat people up for their skin color?
Of course it is. Cucks should go Africa if they love dark skin so much.

>>76401096
>days since last muslim attacks in Hungary: 116800

top that nigaro

>>76415757
>cut the solidarity all together
wait, is there even any solidarity right now? seems like every country fights for its own interests by any means necessary, like it should be

>>76415773
please go away, adults are talking

>>76401432
Hungarians aren't slavs and unless you're trolling or being a pure contrarian, taking in millions of uneducated Muslims is not going to end well for Europe in the future.

>>76415861
well, the west is still giving a lot of money to the east through the EU development funds.
If the countries were to cut solidarity alltogether, the western countries could invest the money for the wellbeeing of their own citizens, and both blocks could officially fight for their own interest.
maybe this indeed would be the better system

>>76415194
>its not a east vs west thing
Of course it is - you weren't affected by communism, excluding Ossies, so your companies had more time to accumulate resources, know-how etc., while our companies operate using lower work costs.

>loopholes need to be closed to prevent legal abuse
This is true, but rather impossible to implement, unless you go full libertarian, without any kind of relationship between companies and states. Without this stronger governments (states) always force interest of "their" companies (sometimes without the quotation mark, since many of those firms are literary owned or controlled by their respective states).
>and frankly, i dont understand why you like seeing polish workers getting fucked over by polish companies, earning less than minimum wage in france, were price of living is much higer than in poland
Those drivers only deliver cargos through or to France, they don't live there permanently. Why would they receive French wages? This is an obvious pretext to remove our trucks from France, but fortunately our government will react.

>>76415583
It can't change them on their own but it can and does push nations to change theirs to comply with EU law. I imagine that might be a problem if the ruling was not favourable for France in this case.
In any event I maintain that this is a case of protecting social state of one nation from free trade within community. I agree that exploiting of loopholes is wrong, and personally I hope a constructive solution can be found that benefits everyone, most of all the workers. But even a one shot reform inspired by this specific instance will not solve the underlying conflict between notion of free trade without barriers and the fact that social systems are set up on national level.

Besides this is a problem that would in time literally fix itself on its own as Poland (and other eastern european countries) develop and their wages grow.
Another question is - would a political intervention be aimed at expediting this process, or preventing it?

>>76415630
>we were ruled by corrupt mafia in 2008-2016, but it's no longer the case
you're giving present government too much credit and the previous one too little desu
also I don't think I've heard it being called "dictatorship" even though having a regular MP wield informal but de facto control over entire executive is definitely not healthy, and what you're doing to your justice system is to put it mildly foreboding.

>>76415757
What solidarity? If you are talking about the EU in general, then yes - the faster, the better, since this project quickly gravitates towards insane ideologies.

>>76415984
>well, the west is still giving a lot of money to the east through the EU development funds
1% of our yearly gdp is pocket money compared to profits you (and we) make by having access to shared market
if that was not the case, you with your export economy would lose just as much as we would, that's why it's not gonna happen, because it would benefit nobody, and certainly not wellbeing of your citizens
>>76416016
>you're giving present government too much credit and the previous one too little desu
i think you underestimate the seething hatred we have for our previous government, it's a relief that they are finished for good
>and what you're doing to your justice system is to put it mildly foreboding
we're trying to fix a stinking pile of shit left by previous ruling criminals

>>76415861
I disagree with the notion that it is, or should be, only about national interests, especially at expense of each other. Competition is good, as long as it's fair.

>>76415984
Maybe it would, actually. If you believe that the east owes you something because of the development funds then you are mistaken. Those funds are not expression of charity, they are compensation for loss of control over economic policy.

>>76397773
I think Macron will actually destroy Europe if it's not him it's going to be Italy anyway

>>76416293
>i think you underestimate the seething hatred we have for our previous government, it's a relief that they are finished for good
hatred is a poor advisor for national policy.
>we're trying to fix a stinking pile of shit left by previous ruling criminals
two wrongs don't make a right. I catch signal of polish national TV and I'm not exaggerating when I say that it's reminiscent of russian TV (although to be fair it was not better under previous management)

>>76416016
>having a regular MP wield informal but de facto control over entire executive is definitely not healthy
W-what? You mean Kaczyński? He is not a regular MP, he is the chief of the ruling party and the Polish political system is based on parties. Having continuous emergency state, like in France, or having no actual opposition (great coalitions during the first and the third Merkel's cabinets) is unhealthy, not the Polish politics.

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>>76415984
>If the countries were to cut solidarity alltogether, the western countries could invest the money for the wellbeeing of their own citizens, and both blocks could officially fight for their own interest.
>maybe this indeed would be the better system
Europe should be several blocs.

>>76416419
>I catch signal of polish national TV and I'm not exaggerating when I say that it's reminiscent of russian TV (although to be fair it was not better under previous management)
Public TV here is not supposed to be neutral, it's supposed show the point of view of government (and, by extend, the people who voted them into power). So not far from Russia TV or BBC. It has always been this way. If that's good or bad, that's for you to decide.
We have private, commercial media that is free to show other points of view.
>hatred is a poor advisor for national policy
hatred is natural reaction when dealing with traitors and criminals
>>76416611
jesus fuck you retard, go away

>>76416454
When president and council of ministers come to him to kiss his ring then he's not functioning as just a party chief. But that's not really my biggest issue with him and I agree that a lot of criticism against him is exaggerated and borderline hysteria.
Some of it is valid though. I do hope that in his (and his party's zeal) to "purge" polish politics and justice they won't merely fuck it up more than it already is.

This guy is literally French Trudeau. Says a bunch of stupid nonsensical bullshit that appeals to cucks and is praised for it.

I hope the EU fucking dies a terrible death

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>>76416419
>I catch signal of polish national TV and I'm not exaggerating when I say that it's reminiscent of russian TV
What a bullshit. It's not, I watch both regularly. The first obvious difference is that our public TV doesn't propagate wars against neighbouring countries, nuclear stikes (vide "nuklearnyj piepiel"), etc. etc. Like, what you are even writing about? The Polish state TV is actually more free than BBC or ARD, because we hear about all options, even if some of them are underrepresented, still - no one is excluded by default like in many western media

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>>76416611
fuck v4 we Intermarium now

>>76416987
>Intermarium
goat

>>76416906
>The first obvious difference is that our public TV doesn't propagate wars against neighbouring countries, nuclear stikes (vide "nuklearnyj piepiel")
eh, you have a point there.
I'm just bothered by the obvious bias and by journalists frequently using emotionally charged language or arguing with the guest if they have the "incorrect" opinion.
I don't watch BBC on regular basis but I haven't noticed this there. Suppose it could be because they won't invite dissenters at all.

I guess I'm just spoiled by our own national broadcaster, her people try to invite quite a varied range of opinions and do their best to remain reserved themselves.

>>76417075
Kremlin tube already in damage control mode, which means we're doing some good.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201706211054830020-poland-three-seas-initiative/

>"I think that everyone who knows the history of Poland and Polish political thought sees the same thing when they look at the Three Seas Initiative: Poland strives to create a federation under its informal authority. It triggered alarm among the Czechs, who took the idea very skeptically,".

>>76416987
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>>76403598
>>76403804
true
if there was no Russia there would be fuckhuge Poland

>>76417170
>I'm just bothered by the obvious bias and by journalists frequently using emotionally charged language or arguing with the guest if they have the "incorrect" opinion.
>I don't watch BBC on regular basis but I haven't noticed this there. Suppose it could be because they won't invite dissenters at all.
This is more complicated, I think, but the main reason, IMHO, is that our current state TV is rather unprofessional. During the PO government the opposition was removed from media, one of the largest newspapers was sold to some pro-PO businessman etc. etc. so the right started creating their own media, like the TV Republika, news portals wPolityce, weekly magazines like wSieci or Do Rzeczy. Their journalists are often quite strightforward, but - to be honest - I prefer this over smugness of the last cohort.

>autists still on about the refugees

theres a reason why he said supermarket and shopping
they want us to use the euro too, thats what he means by integration, they are going to discuss the 2 speed EU concept, and 1st class countries will be using it, hes warning us about it, but sure keep banging your heads about brown ppl

>>76404625
Geneva Convention may have something to say about that. And even if they cause trouble, Eastern European states are more vigilant than their Western counterparts in regards to terrorism and shit like that. It's not like you didn't have secret police during communism. The old tricks haven't been forgotten after the wall fell.

>>76417737
yes, yes, because one can isolate any particular question in international relationships, like they are not interconnected, not at all...

>>76397841
>austrian """education"""

Go back to /pol/ butthurt Hofer shitter.

>>76415842
How many days since Hungary wasn't an irrelevant shithole?