Thank you, Sweden

>>76310968
They are useless too

too damn small

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>mfw my cunt is still not buying any new jets

p-please buy our jets

someone

please

>>76311249
*buys 100*
Thanks for the mate's rates

they cannot compete with other modern fighters

>>76311249
We'll probably buy some more used F16s soon
http://biznes.gazetaprawna.pl/artykuly/1009284,mon-zakup-nowych-mysliwcow-f-16-dla-polskiej-armii.html

>>76311371
That's not very nice, Thais can compete just fine if they have modern training facilities.

>>76310968
>affordable AND stylish
Four trainers and seven C's.... Your pilots will look so chic taxiing around Surat Thani in these.

>>76311249
I'll take 20
>be Australian
>"oi cunt, check out these feigh-ter jets we bought from the yanks"

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buy aermacchi-130 NATO codename: "mitten" please

>>76310968
looks so frickin small

>>76312589
It looks so tiny and adorable. Is it combat capable?

>>76313086
2-4 AA rockets
+
2-4 500kg HE/cluster/napalm bombs or 2-4 rocket blocks

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>>76312589
>entrusting your life to italian engineering
>entrusting your national defense to italian engineering

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>>76313408

Reminder that they bought Italian LMVs.

>>76312420
>check out these feigh-ter jets we bought from the yanks
Nah, thats New Zeeland.
If it was said by us, it'd be foightah jets mate

>>76313431

Do they break down every 2000km like their cars?

>>76313461

If it's from FCA, yes.

>>76310968
Gripens are cute little jets

>>76313461
Mate, it's a specially designed military grade vehicle, give the Italians a break.

It's like a breakdown every 2200km at least

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>>76313492

>>76313527
>that actor
Kek

>>76313461
>>76313431
we trashed them and made tigers
https://youtu.be/d50ZFXf-k28
>comment section

>>76313664

>this autism on comments
>these totally not rigged tests

Jesus christ.

>>76313431
They had them because they were manufacturing them, the contract is over, so they abandoned it. It was about money, not performance.

http://www.janes.com/article/45635/russia-completes-assembly-of-iveco-armoured-vehicles

>>76313743
Plus all LMVs they have will be transferred to the police, because their military considered the LMV unsuitable for the battlefield.

http://iz.ru/news/625051

>>76312589
>Unit cost US$20 million
is this a toy plane?

>>76313743
>>76313791

Interesting. So they basically copied and now the originals goes to the cops.

>>76310968
Why do we need jets again?

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>>76313829
Tigr-M already existed when Russia made the deal with Iveco though. The only new Russian light vehicle that appeared after Russia cancelled the LMV was the Kamaz Typhoon 4x4.

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>>76314124

This deal reminds me of Avibras with Renault, they made one called "Tupi" based on the Renault Sherpa, which didn't gone through since the army choose the... LMV.

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buy new gripen generation bls

>>76313965
to keep others out of your airspace?

>>76313965
Same reason police need cars

>>76310968
Botswanas president is here in Sweden to buy 8 of them at the moment. The opposition in Botswana is apparently outraged about it and want either him or us to break off the deal.

>>76314250
Outmatched by the Rafale no?

Thank you for always sucking my dick at a cheap price

>>76314441

They have the money?
Botswana has enemies?

>>76313965
to solve problems internally.
>shhhh i dont want to hear that word democracy

>>76314443
No idea tbqh I just saw all the news about it when it succeeded in the maiden flight a few days ago

>>76311249
Where are our F35s we ordered ages ago and paid gazillions for b*tch ? I heard they are useless now b*tch. Nice doing business b*tch

>>76314250
I hope we go with the F-35 instead of this.
It's affordable but fighters are the one thing we shouldn't be skimping out on

>>76317124
They need to update it to 20th century technology now. Wouldn't want to sell something that is not finished, thet would be bad for business. Also the canopy opens randomly and there's no oxygen to the pilot which can be bothersome for the pilot

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>>76317346
>not supporting your greatest ally

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>>76311041
Aren't they around the same size as an F-16?

>>76311197
>mfw my cunt does not have any jets

>>76317346
A valid sentiment... if you were only getting a single plane. It's not skimping if you spend the same amount of money to get a greater number of planes.

>>76310968
Very cute. Would be better with two engines though.

>>76314443
The Rafale has that ugly fuel probe though which ruins its otherwise gorgeous aesthetics.

Why can't the French into retractable probes?

>>76317935
One F-35 is worth multiple 4th generation fighters though.

>>76314250
>being a generation 4.5 fighter when you could have a generation 5 fighter instead
For what purpose?

>>76317978
>One F-35 costs as much as multiple 4th generation fighters though.
ftfy

>>76318131
What features of the 5th generation do you really require that are not in 4.5th generation fighters?

>>76318685
And? Is it not worth paying more for a technically superior product? (let's try and not turn this into an F-35 shitfest though).

>>76318714
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-generation_jet_fighter

To answer your question by quoting Lockheed Martin: all-aspect stealth even when armed, low probability of intercept radar (LPIR), high-performance airframes, advanced avionics features, and highly integrated computer systems capable of networking with other elements within the battlespace for situation awareness

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>>76318131
>generation 5 fighter
>no supercruise

>>76318685
Depends on the 4th generation fighter. At the moment the cost of an F-35 is coming down, and will be a similar price to many 4th generation planes it will replace. It's true it has taken tens of billions to get to this point though.

>>76318886
The F-22 does though. Granted, it is a bit odd that the F-35 doesn't, but it isn't as specialised in its role as the other jets in service that can supercruise, so that probably factors into it in some way - I don't know enough on the topic to be sure.

>Gripen is the only single-engined jet that can supercruise
That's actually very impressive. Must be one hell of a powerful engine.

>>76318991
>The F-22 does though
And that's why it is the only 5th gen fighter in the world (if we are judging by american standarts for the 5th gen).

>>76319076
Supercruise isn't a concrete requirement for a 5th gen fighter though (although definitions do vary a bit).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-generation_jet_fighter

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>>76317124
>unironically pre-ordering an alpha test product
>unironically being Americas bitch
>unironically picking anglo trash over fellow nordics
>MFW russia invades Norgay with 0 resistance because its entire air force was grounded due to a light drizzle

>>76319114
It was. Burgers changed their requirements just so they can market F-35 as "5th gen".

>>76319203
>MFW russia invades Norgay with 0 resistance because its entire air force was grounded due to a light drizzle
>still bringing up an issue that was resolved ages ago

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>>76319203
Stop bullying the F-35.

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>>76319316
>makes anti-Anglo post
>Irish flag comes to the defense of them

>>76317124
>Where are our F35s we ordered ages ago and paid gazillions for b*tch ?
You gotta fuckin wait in line like the rest of us. We ordered some 2 years before you and we only just received our first one barely a few months ago. They take a lot of time to manufacture and those who ordered first, receive first.

>>76319420
Nice deflection.

>>76310968
You're better off buying Vipers tbqh

>>76317948
Dassault thought it was safer to have a fixed probe rather than a retractable mechanism that could fail.

Rafale wasn't designed for extreme aerodynamical performances anyway

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>>76320099
We already have enough of those.

>>76320850
I really don't get why you're getting Gripens then.

>>76311249
I'm pretty sure the don't sell them the f35 at the least cuz the software is what makes it currently be best jet out there

>>76320868
Affordable and stylish.

>>76320932
>affordable
Not more than Vipers
>stylish
Agreed, probably the best looking light fighter

>>76320986
>Agreed, probably the best looking light fighter
Good taste. Although if the Rafale had a retractable probe, I'd rank it as the most aesthetic.

>>76310968
nice swedish jet. on what does it fly on? nigger semen? moans of blonde swedish women fucked by non whites?

>>76321812
The energy generated by King Gustavus Adolphus spinning in his grave.

>>76321673
Yeah well, blame Dassault and "muh safety reasons".

Considering how reliable Dassault planes are, I really don't see any risk.

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Hey Thailand, your neighbour Myanmar just bought new jets too

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>>76322012

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>>76322030

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>>76322043

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>>76310968
obviously you havent heard of JF 17

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>>76322071
>Chinese-Pakistani fighter jet

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>>76322150
why not, its a capable 4th generation fighter
block 3 is going to be 4+

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>>76322236
>Chinese-Pakistani fighter jet
>Chinese-Pakistani
Bastions of high grade military equipment.

>>76322071
>mechanical radar
>russian engines

>>76322294
China is the next high tech leader
the're stuff aint that bad even now

>>76322338
engines will soon be replaced with the WS-13
block 3 will get an AESA radar

>>76323057
>China is the next high tech leader
Maybe at some point of in the future. Most of their current military aviation designs are just inferior copies of Western or Russian tech.

>engines will soon be replaced with the WS-13
>block 3 will get an AESA radar
Congratulations, you now have a fighter as capable as an F-16.

>>76323057
>China is the next high tech leader
>have all the documentation on su-27 engines
>still can't produce them right
>their prototype figter jet has almost no composites

>>76323057
>chinese engine being somehow better than russian ones

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>>76322236
>Design plane in 2003 it roughly matches the performance of an American design from 1974.

>>76311249
Umm didn't we lend India the rights to manufacture F16s

>>76310968
t. Sven Cuckström posting from Pattaya

>>76323057
>China is the next high tech leader
>the're stuff aint that bad even now

>Try and reverse engineer Russian jets
>Steal F-35 plans
>Most likely steal additional information from West and Russia
>Still make a piece of crap

At this current rate they aren't going anywhere fast.

I have always wondered why 4chan draws the top most experts in fighter jets, everytime

>>76323459
You will live to regret that.

>>76323519

Because some of these people love their subject so much that they struggle to relate / socialize with normal people. So they're only option is to hangout with retards and other outcasts.

>>76323532
Why? Because they will learn something new or F-16s will be literally poo tier now

>>76323580
>they're
**their

>>76323595
>Because they will learn something new
This.

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>>76323532
>Tfw they modify the design to install a designated shitting hole.
>Tfw it has handholds added for 50 Indians to hold onto
>Tfw it has Hindu statues in the cockpit
>Tfw it has to have monkey proofing

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>>76322294
Jesus talk about glass houses, what 4th generation fighter jet does Ireland have?

>>76322338
And the Rafale uses a dead end PESA radar! The FC-1 already has an AESA radar developed for it

>>76323238
They're introducing more composites with every batch, there's more now

>>76324105
The AESA is being put into service since 2010

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>>76324062
>Tfw it has handholds added for 50 Indians to hold onto

>>76324105
>Jesus talk about glass houses, what 4th generation fighter jet does Ireland have?
None. That's why you don't buy military aircraft from Ireland.

>They're introducing more composites with every batch, there's more now
Still only about as capable as an F-16. You're being suspiciously defensive of this outdated jet.

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>>76324105

The AESA radar (KLJ-7A, range 170km, track 15, engage 4), is slated to be introduced in the Block III JF-17s which are due for 2018, but as of right now they're still using a mechanical PD radar

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>>76324161

Meh, as good as the F-16 isn't bad, you have to remember these things cost $16 million each

http://www.janes.com/article/71422/images-show-myanmar-air-force-jf-17-fc-1-conducting-flight-tests-in-china

You can't even buy used F-16s for that cheap, and the airframe has 0 flight hours

>>76317833
F16 can carry about one ton more of the armament and it can fly more than twice of the distance.

>>76324410
>You can't even buy used F-16s for that cheap, and the airframe has 0 flight hours
>>76324439

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Su-34 a cute.

>>76324980
Big girl.

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gripen?

>>76318714

Stealth + JASSMs = This kills the aggressor

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Hey Sweden,When will Swedish stealth fighter come through?

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EXTRA THICC

>>76314443
Rafale has greater payload and range.

Gripen E has a larger radar and a 2-way datalink for the MBDA Meteor.

Gripen is also quite a bit cheaper to operate.

>>76334959
And cheaper to purchase as well.
Rafale's strenghts are its payload and ECM suite.

>>76335125
True.

They both have their pros and cons. It all comes down to what role the customer wants it to fulfill, and what their budget is.

>>76335335
Honestly, the only reason people would buy the Rafale is because it's politically "neutral".
You could get a plane with the same capabilites for much cheaper, but it's either going to be American or Russian.

Even the Gripen's engine is American, which could mean trouble.

France has been known to sell weapons to basically anyone, the latest example between the ships for Russia. In the invasion of Kuwait, both sides were using French planes.

If you look at Rafale customers now, there's India, which uses both Russian and US airframes, Egypt is basically the same, and Qatar is also on the fence between the two blocks.

I guess the main selling point for the Gripen is that it is fairly new and prone to evolution, whereas the Vipers is already a 40 years old design.

>>76335513
With the Americans going full retard on the F35, I think that the F16/F18 are on their last legs. The F18 assembly line will soon close, and the F16 will follow suit.

The future for European 4th generation fighters is probably quite good, at least in the coming 10-20 years.

>>76335760
Boeing is really pushing their Advanced Super Hornet though, especially since Canada expressed doubts over the F-35, and I think the US Navy is still ordering some Super Hornets while the F-35 is being introduced into service.

I'm pretty sure the last F-16 contract will be India (if they win against the Gripen), the rest will be upgrades to the Viper standard.

As for Europlanes, it does look good, although the Typhoon might fall behind if no one other than the Brits start putting some effort into it.

And also, it's a bit worrying that there isn't even plans for a European-made 5th gen aircraft.

>>76335903
>if no one other than the Brits start putting some effort into it.
Has Germany lost interest too?

>And also, it's a bit worrying that there isn't even plans for a European-made 5th gen aircraft.
I thought the Eurofighter group had preliminary planes for a 5th gen fighter?

You're right though; as it stands, it doesn't look like Europe will progress beyond 4.5 gen aircraft for the next 20-30 years, whereas even Russia has a 5th gen aircraft in the pipeline.

>>76336066
*preliminary plans

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>mfw an amerifat plane can't land on a gravel patch near me

>>76336066
Well they asked the US for F-35 details, and although it's far from a definitive contract, it looks like they don't intend to upgrade the Typhoon to replace their Tornados.

I haven't heard anything about a 5th gen from Eurofighter, as far as I know there's only the FCAS project with the UK, France, and possibly Germany, but that's a drone project.

As for Russia, classifying the T-50 as 5th gen is arguable.

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>grippen


BLEH!!!


fuck you thai shit


you better start recognizing who your real allies and neighbors to stay are and better start doing business with them instead!

>>76336214
The F-35B can't?

>>76336230
>As for Russia, classifying the T-50 as 5th gen is arguable.
Once it gets the new engines, will it not meet 6th gen requirements?

>>76336464
Well the thing is, those engines are very much exposed, which severly impacts its all-aspect stealth capability.

And the problem with Russian (and Chinese) engine is the materials.

The designs themselves aren't bad, it's just they lack the knowledge in metallurgy to make western-grade alloys, especially monocrystaline fan blades.

>>76336565
>Well the thing is, those engines are very much exposed, which severly impacts its all-aspect stealth capability.
It might not be a good 5th gen fighter, but on paper it does meet any requirements I can find to be considered a 5th gen fighter (if they can get the new engines produced).

>And the problem with Russian (and Chinese) engine is the materials.
As has always been the case. Remember the MiG-25?

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>>76336565
you dont know shit about anything frog boy.


especially whats happenign in Chineese aeronautical industry

>>76336809
>especially whats happenign in Chineese aeronautical industry
Improved corporate espionage to steal more designs from the West and Russia?

>>76336745
Well yes, on paper it does. Its main flaw won't be its characteristics in my opinion, but rather the small number produced compared to the fuckload of F-35 that will be fielded worldwide.

Since India basically droped out of the PAK-FA project, I doubt it will see any export.

I fucking love the MiG-25, but even by Russian standards this shit was a bit crazy. They basically slapped some afterburners on a pair of cargo plane engines.

>>76336809
Please elaborate.

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>>76336943
>Please elaborate.


on an yuropean pedophile animation website?

are you humoring me?

>>76336943
>but rather the small number produced compared to the fuckload of F-35 that will be fielded worldwide.
Would the the F-35 be a match for the PAK-FA? Or would the F22 be required in a one-on-one scenario?

>Since India basically droped out of the PAK-FA project, I doubt it will see any export.
What? I was just reading a news article the othe day about how India was set to receive PAK-FAs in the coming months.

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>>76337052
>canards
>on a stealth fighter

>>76337062
My bet would be on the F-35, based on radar and missile performance, but it's just an educated guess, there's too little information (publically available, that is), to really know.

As for the PAK-FA, it's not completely stopped, I was wrong, and deliveries were indeed scheduled to start this year, but there seems to be a halt in the project over some financial issues.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indo-russian-multirole-transport-aircraft-programme-indian-air-force/1/959013.html

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>all this speculation on 2nd generation engines for T-50
There is literally no real information about them in public access.

>>76338264
We keep getting told they are in development though.

>>76311041
Just like your penis>

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>>76338354
Yes. For some other jet.

>>76310968
we're buying some from Brazil.

We can't afford fuel though

>tfw we no longer have access to russian tech because pootin is tsu-tsu

>>76323459
Nope

>>76337126
>TF-X

Canards are only a problem for stealth if they have gaps that expose flat surfaces to radar. The F-22 prototypes and aborted F-35 prototype used canards.

>>76340563
>The F-22 prototypes and aborted F-35 prototype used canards.
Note that the canards didn't make it into the production models.

>>76340462
Not quite a licence, but it was just announced today that F-16s are gonna be built in India now. Not sure why though.

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Wanna bomb niggers and pay less?

Buy Super Tucano.

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>>76340824
>turboprop attack plane made in 2017
Had no idea this was a thing. Cute
If I ever happen to have a private military, I'll buy these

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>>76340824
tucano a cute.

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>>76336230
RIP Tornados soon enough.

>>76341492
A shame, though.
It was the only Euro plane with decent air to air capabilities.

>>76341492
God I love the Tornado.The flying tank.

>>76341702
Are you sure? With the exception of the ADV (the overall capability of which was questionable), the Tornado was never designed for Air to Air engagements.

>>76341751
Shit, I thought he was talking about the Typhoon

>>76341206

Lots of companies make em tho.

Ours is just the best in the market :^)

>>76341444

Buy moar.

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>>76336230
>I haven't heard anything about a 5th gen from Eurofighter, as far as I know there's only the FCAS project with the UK, France, and possibly Germany, but that's a drone project.

Taranis and nEUROn? They've announced a deal to use the M88 engine from the Rafale in the demonstrator models. The Taranis prototype was using Rolls-Royce.

http://aviationweek.com/paris-air-show-2017/engine-planform-begin-shaping-anglo-french-ucav

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>>76341702
The bulk of Britain's fleet will be Typhoons and F-35bs for the foreseeable future.

>>76341772
Weird to see a French anon praising the Typhoon. They usually just like to point out how much better the Rafale is.

>>76341976
>F-35b
>b
Still annoyed by that.

>>76341902
I'm glad the two projects are merging, I just hope the Germans won't join.

>>76342003
I'm not entirely stupid.
Both planes were designed around the same time, and with the same idea of a multirole fighter, but the Rafale is clearly leaning towards air to ground more than anything, and vice versa with the Typhoon. The Tranche 1 could barely drop a GBU.

But both are getting better, now the Typhoon is very capable in terms of air to ground, and the Rafale finally got an AESA radar, and soon the Meteor

>>76342080
Yep, you hit the nail on the head there - they are both great platforms that are constantly becoming more capable yet retain their distinct differences.

>>76342003
>Still annoyed by that.

To replace the Harriers of course and they made a decision to save money that the two new aircraft carriers will be STOVL so that was that really. Britain is the only Level 1 partner so some 20% of the plane will be built here and contribute £1billion a year to the economy. Yeah they could buy some F-35a for other uses but their trying to save money at the moment.

>>76342154
Oh, I understand the reasons fully. But the continuing penny pinching of the MOD just pisses me off. The RN could have had two world class carriers with uncompromised F-35Cs, but instead got both compromised carriers and jets.

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>>76342295
The RN has had cuts for years and it's terrible. They're getting new submarines and new frigates, and at least there's been a small increase in the frigate order. Still need more ships. At least they'll be well supported.

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>>76342376
>The RN has had cuts for years and it's terrible
The decline of the RN has been one of the biggest crimes in post-WW2 Britain.

>>76310968
Saab Gripen

NOW THAT IS CUTE.

>>76341976
Sexy planes m80

>>76339479
Just stick hose in ground and get some yourself.

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>>76342550
I like this m8, people need to stop bullying it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93NdwZAeXhI

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>>76342931
A duo of Typhoons and F-35's are every aesthetic. Possibly only eclipsed by the F-35 F-22 pairing

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There's always that one person posting it.

I guess I'll be that person today.

>>76343027
Stealth was invented by the Nazis.

>>76343027
Yeah, but the Yak-43 was shit and used downward facing engines rather than fans for the frontal vertical thrust.

>>76343112
How so?

>>76343160
Horton Ho 229

>>76343210
The stealth capability claims attributed to the Ho229 have been largely debunked.

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>>76343027
What about the Harrier jump jet? Developed some 20 years before that plane and much more successful.

>>76343112
>>76343210

That would be cool to actually prove it irl. Definitely Horten had lower radar signature due to it's design, however actual stealth is still a bit more than that.

>>76343382
sauce please then.

>>76310968
I remember using them in Ace Combat Zero
fun times

>>76343526
To be fair, the Harrier used a very different means of thrust to achieve VTOL.

>>76343567
I'm just about to go to bed, so I can't go digging for proper sources. But the wiki article has a section about debunking the its stealth capability.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229

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Buy Belgian guns plox :^3

>>76342931
So, will it be better than the F-16 unlike how it was during preliminary test phases 671-843

>>76343722
Needs more attachments.

>>76343855
The F-35 was never designed to dogfight at close range. Of course the F-16 is gonna beat it at something it was never designed to do. It's like asking a German Shepard to outrun a Greyhound.

>>76343722
We've used a modified FN FNC as our service rifle for more than 30 years.

>>76343112
Russians invented stealth. /pol/ always trying to distort history as usual.

>>76344125
The Russians stole their stealth tech from the USA during the Balkans war.

>>76317833
pay your nato denbts.

>>76336317
>lets put every plane design into 1 plane.

>>76342931
I always forget the marines Royal and American can fly these.

Will or do royal marines fly them?

>>76344295
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Ufimtsev

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Ours is coming with 4K MFDs so pilots can watch anime in high resolution while crusing in mach 1.2

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>>76344566

What if the power goes down.

>>76344709
If the power goes down you would be fucked anyway, it's fly-by-wire after all

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Both versions?

>>76344989
>>76345029

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>>76344431
The Royal Marines are a light amphibious infantry force, they don't fly planes m8. Pic related is Superman's brother.

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>>76341492

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>mfw flying 70's planes with state-of-art eletronics

Ya'll mothafuckas aren't this crafty.

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>tfw the only jets we have left are some A4 that will soon be retired
what a fucking joke this country is

>>76319366
all those fucking trap doors...murphy law says something is going to get stuck half open=instant nostealth or instant crash

murrikek should have gone with a completely separate vstol airframe instead of this over complicated kludge POS