I actually can't think of the benefit of multiculturalism

thicc black ladies

>>76245463
I like going to the city train station and playing the star wars cantina theme in my head

>>76245463
it's exciting you never know whats gonna happen haha

its like "hey lol am i gonna get raped today" lmao hahah

>>76245589
You should go inside a no-go zone and film your raping.

>>76245463
Chaos and disorder

What's the advantage of no multiculti

>>76245463
I don't think I've had any problems with it desu
Don't get me wrong, I still want aus to be majority British/Anglo descent but I don't mind some from here and there.

>>76245655
This

>>76245786
asians and indians generally okay as long as they remain the small minority black cunts like the sudanese though can fuck off.

>>76245463
ask your women :)

>>76245463
It's what separates us from the unwashed hordes beyond the Carpathians, it defines our culture

Most of people on int or pol don't know what multiculturalism means. Most of people just call the fact they have immigrants multiculturalism while it's absolutely wrong.
Multiculturalism was the idea invented in Canada in 70s. The idea was to let all the cultures coexist together and do nothing to mix them. Leafs created it to solve their Quebec problem. Than Europe adopted it and 80s and 90s were the time when multiculturalism, instead if melting pot, was imposed. It caused many shitty consequences like creation of various insular immigrant societies, problems with people finding jobs etc so in early 00s Europeans stopped implementing multiculturalist policies and switched to "integration" aka melting pot. Some countries, like France for example, never used multiculturalism.
People just don't know what they are talking about.
Multiculturalism is shit, melting pot is great in my opinion, when all the cultures mix together creating something new and unique. USA, Canada, Australia are good examples.

>>76245463
before that australia has no culture

chinks wont make anything new but other might

>>76245463
>Good food
>Good women
>Good comedy

There's nothing more boring than homogeneity.

>>76245906
I thought people on int are just ironically against multiculturalism

>>76245463
the opportunity to fugg brown qts (male)
I mean, I never will because I'm fat autist but a man can dream

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>>76245906
You think the USA is great?

>>76245906
>Multiculturalism was the idea invented in Canada in 70s. The idea was to let all the cultures coexist together and do nothing to mix them.

What the fuck am I reading. Canada didn't adopt a multiculturalist policy until the 2000s and we certainly didn't invent that shit.

>>76246079
>The Canadian government has often been described as the instigator of multicultural ideology because of its public emphasis on the social importance of immigration.[16][17] The Canadian Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism is often referred to as the origins of modern political awareness of multiculturalism.[18] In the Western English-speaking countries, multiculturalism as an official national policy started in Canada in 1971, followed by Australia in 1973 where it is maintained today.[19][20][21][22] It was quickly adopted as official policy by most member-states of the European Union.

Read fucking wiki you retard.

>>76245463
There is probably nothing really worth from multiculti. However that doesnt implies it is bad. The current problems are caused by the obsession with importing the lowest scum in the world en masses.

First world should be importing it's wonders to countries in need. Not importing the problems from hellholes. Put schools in Africa instead of female mutilation centers in London...

t.know barbarism from first hand

>>76246060
Well, you have your share of problems, I personally dont like how your education works, but boi, your country is great.

I'm not >>76246287 btw, but I agree that melting pot works very nice if not abused.

>>76246337
What sort of barbarism?

Multiculturalism has no benefits, multiculturalism is the result of pursuing a policy that has benefits.

>>76246687
allahu akbarbarism

>>76246715
How come multicultural and tolerant nations are the most successful nations in the world while racist monocultural nations like Eastern European ones are shitholes?

>>76245463
Australia is a good example of the benefits of multiculturalism

We'd still be a backwater if it weren't for migration

>>76245463
I'm going to explain it in the best way I can.

The idea of multiculturalism can be traced back to Voltaire.

Voltaire grew up in a time where religious toleration was entirely unheard of. At a given time, he went to England and had been overcome in the drastically different level of toleration found there. France only tolerated one sect/religion and also did not tolerate unorthodox ideas. England, he found, was much more tolerant of differing religions. He described the toleration as thus: "Go into the Exchange in London, that place more venerable than many a court, and you will see representatives of all the nations assembled there for the profit of mankind. There the Jew, the Mahometan, and the Christian deal with one another as if they were of the same religion, and reserve the name of infidel for those who go bankrupt."

Voltaire then concluded, citing his tolerant homeland France, that a country having two major religions would result in civil war. But a country having many significant religions was prosperous.

>>76246788
Transylvania would be a developed nation if it were independent

Local cuck porn

>>76246788
History matters, you know.

>>76245463
multiculturalism can only result of destruction of all cultures to a unique aknowledge one, people supporting multiculturalism are dumb and don't understand they are destroying the diversity in this world

>>76246337
>instead of female mutilation centers in London...
Female mutilation is illegal.

>>76245463
something to do with breeding and children having lower probability of inheriting any major problems from either parent.

also, I have heard of how different languages make people think differently, I guess that can be a good thing when we leave in a free society.

>>76245463
Cultural (((Enrichment))).
We are enjoying the wonderful Muslim traditions of terrorism, hate circle and murder.

>>76246079
>multiculturalist
as in melting pot, not actual multiculturalist

>>76245463
Your wife will taste some quality BBC and one day you'll knock on your daughter's room only to find her getting ganged banged by negros and muslims.
That's hot you won't have to watch cuck porn, just drop your pants and start jacking off.

>>76245926
multiculturalism has eroded Australian culture Tbh

>>76246898
*live

I need to leave for work!

>>76245906
>cultures mix together creating something new and unique. USA, Canada, Australia are good examples.
But they're not though. They're just White Anglo countries, the only difference being America had blacks as a result of slavery. And even America was overwhelmingly white until it about 60-70 years ago when they dropped their racially selective immigration quotas. Oh and Canada had the Frenchies in the East, but none of that is anything like the wacky shit we're seeing in the West now.

>>76246788
We're getting more multicultural.

My arab dad has like 2 American patents and payed his taxes since 25 years. Whats wrong with that?

>>76246960
American culture is definitely different thanks to the g*rman influence

Australia and Canada are broadly English though

>>76246788
succesful nations have (mostly) become muticultural and tolerant not the other way around

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>>76245906
Melting pot
Oh the Jewish meme?
Lol, no.

>>76246287
Wikipedia is full of shit then and doesn't know what 'multicultural' means. In practise we were a melting pot with the obvious exception of Quebec. In that sense only were we "multicultural". Multiculturalism as you know it today began in Europe.

>>76246788
Western nations were the most successful nations in the world when they were racist and monocultural. If Eastern Europe becomes multicultural and tolerant it will still be a shithole.

>>76246788
probably because the successful nations are the ones people from other countries want to move to

>>76246749
1 example, here indigenous towns are often allowed to rule themselves under "customs and habits"because muh oppressed cultures, leading to shit like semi-legaly exchanging daughters for cows, shit alike honor killings and lynchs.

>>76247001
People always say this, can you name one way that Germans influenced the US? They still seem pretty English to me.

>>76247029
we became successful after the White Australia policy was dropped and we started letting in Southern European migrants, Indians, Koreans, SEAs and the Chinese

>>76247038
>>76246687

>>76246079
Wrong.
Dude just check Wikipedia. Fucking lazy leaf.

>>76247053
midwest is very german
autistic land toilers

>>76247053
We aren't as hideous looking for starters

>>76247053
I can't, but I can also look at American culture and see that it isn't very English. The Germans in America are the only thing that really separates America from the rest of the anglosphere, so I'm just going to assume that was what did it.

You could say it's from them declaring independence, but anglo South Africans and Zimbabweans are still English.

we became so successful, so fast, that we needed more laborers than we could ever get from our open population.

in comes multiculturalism -- wala, instant laborers from other lesser countries to work in our factories

multiculturalism wouldn't be an issue if the native population could do their one job right -- fuck and reproduce

>>76247001
Germans were pretty much the most different group allowed in America. And they were still white Protestants. Then South Euros, Jews and Slavs in the early 20th Century, and then just everything after the 1960s. But before that, it's completely false to say America was a "melting pot". It was predominately people from the British isles or German blooded Protestants. And blacks, which were segregated in this "melting pot".

>>76247168
As a child of immigrants, natives are good for nothing vermin scum who should be worshipping immigrants for the food we provide them

>>76246831
As your post indicates, at this point multiculturalism is just a buzzword to apologize certain barbarian ideas that in the long run oppose tolerance. What would Voltaire think of current London and Paris? What would he think about the Charlie Hebdo incident?

>>76247223
We'd manage without you.

>>76247168
>wala
seriously nigger?

>>76246889
And it was illegal AND not happening 50 years ago.

>>76247058
In what way do you think Australia improved afterwards? Australia has definitely become a wealthier country in recent decades, but I'd say that's the result of the mining boom.

>>76247168
Same with us, but obviously not to the same degree as America. The World Wars also showed us that Australia's security was dependent on significantly increasing our population.

I don't really have a problem with most of our migrants. The English, Irish and white South Africans obviously fit right in here. The Vietnamese and South Asians are generally very good at assimilating, with a few exceptions. The Chinese and Lebanese less so, but hopefully the third generation is going to be better in that regard like with the Italians and Greeks.

>>76245711
Not having non assimilating colonies that increase social conflicts.

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>>76247223

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>>76247223
That's right.
>The food we provide them.
Soon.

>>76247247
Ayyyyy filthy dumb French scum you're the reason Montréal is a shit hole

>>76247270
Mostly money, yeah. It also helps with national security. The recent mining boom only really explains Australia's economic security during the 2000s, and even then lots of workers in the mines were from other countries. Mining is mostly driven by Western Australia, which is only ever the richest state when mining is in a boom. The state is currently slipping into a recession, but the overall economy is still growing thanks to New South Wales and Victoria

>>76245525
Fuck you now it won't stop

asian gfs

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>>76247274
A great population is not necessary for Australia to prosper. Look at the population they have compared to the rest of Asia, yet Australia has a GDP double that of Indonesia.

Australia's strength lies in its inheritance of classical and british civilisation and traditions. A population increase is good, but if it comes at the cost of giving up the culture and society that has been built up it will be a damaging influence overall.

>>76247256
>not embracing the lingua franca of 4chan

Reddit is that way la
>>>/out/

>>76247110
Are you in 1820 or what?
How can anyone sane deny the huge influence of Irish, Jewish, Italian, Hispanic cultures in USA?

>>76247393
>Jewish
Kek

>>76247393
Australia and New Zealand also have lots of Italians and Irish there. American culture predates major hispanic migration too.

>>76247409
Don't laugh, they have a Jewish president.

>>76247206
Do you know that modern USA South-West was a Mexico before 1848 and was inhabited by Mexicans?
>It was predominately people from the British isles or German blooded Protestants
Before 1840s when they started receiving the huge amount of Irishman and before the 1860s when Chinese immigration started.

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>>76245711
No terror attack,

>>76247379
No, a greater population is definitely necessary for Australia's prosperity. That's why our restrictive migration policies were lifted in the first place. The phrase that used to get thrown around at the time was "populate or perish".

I don't think you understand that we didn't just throw our borders wide open either. We've had a sizeable, but controlled migration stream for 70 years and Australia's culture and society is still intact. We're going to continue doing so and I don't see that adversely affecting the country.

>>76245711
Not getting robbed
Better paid jobs
Less unemployment

>>76247386
it's voila
if you were trolling me then congrats

>>76246788
In our case we were mist successful when we forced assimilation.

>>76245463
If by multiculturalism you mean this "let foreigners live in my country without any assimilation or integration" you are completely right. But in some countries which have different nationalities or ethnicities living on their ancestral land multiculturalism is necessary to keep their society stable and free of violation of human rights.

I think that's it. If you want to keep your culture - stay on your ancestral land, if you move to another country - integrate. Otherwise you are a conqueror and an occupant, just like in ancient times.

/thread

>>76246749
Know allahu akbarism from first, second and third hand.

>>76246788
You mistake cause and consequence. It's not
>we get multiculti and import some arabs
>we get really progressive
>we lead world
It's more like
>we are in lucky spot\have opportunity
>use it right
>lead world
>abundant time gives human being thoughts about "humanism"
>country gets opened to arabs and other guys

If you look at countries and empires who was superpowers in history, a lot of them was homogenous, and a lot of them was diverse. Rome, Russia, America, Golden Horde, China, British Empire and a lot of other superpowers was never trying to make different cultures to coexist in first place, they were taking best inventions they seen, reverse-engineer them and upgrade for their cause.
Examples:
>British opium fuckery back then
>Romans using barbarians in their legions
>Chinese melding various kingdoms with all their shit in one big China
>Russians adopting european navy, a lot from asian food back in time, and having a lot of Caucasus "muslims" in army now.
>Americans culturally dominating world now, the whole "guys, you can migrate here if you're really good specialist" thing
Et cetera. Which guides us to simple answer: country gets powerful not if it tries to import arabs, but if it watches for best shit it can get from all over the world, and uses this shit if possible.

>>76247569
truthbombs

>>76247496
Japan has their own terrorists. But yeah, there is no ISIS attacks at least.

>>76247516
We are entering the world of mass automation very soon. Life will not be about the quantity of a country's people, but the quality.

Any country which ignores the family and has a declining birth rate, as Australia does, and seeks to make up for this by importing foreign groups, will not last in the long term. It's a pyramid scheme which leads to the replacement of the indigenous population which could have great consequences, which we are just learning about fully through the science of genetics.

>>76247516
Don't let too many Chinks in.

>>76247540
But USA was a complete shithole before the second half of 20th century.
>>76247496
What a stupid pic. If Japan would pose a threat to ISIS no wonder jihadists would try to attack Tokyo. They don't even need immigrants, they may come with tourist visas.

>>76247605
Schlomo. Please.
Stop the relativist bullshit.

>>76247038
What the fuck, I thought that your police literally kills scum on notice. Is "kill this criminal fuck at an instant" principle applied only to cartels?

>>76247643
it's also funny how it has to specifically say "islamic terrorism" so that they don't have to mention Aum Shinrikyo

>>76246998
>payed his taxes since 25 years
So he wasn't paying before then? If your dad acts like an American and not like an Arab there is nothing wrong. If he acts like a MENA savage then there is a problem.

>>76247620
what?

>>76245463
Why are you looking for benefits? Are you looking for reasons to justify it being desirable?

The real question is - to what extent are you entitled to enforcing your will onto other people?

However if you are dead set on fishing for good things about it, I suppose you could argue that a diverse society will be able to offer wider variety of responses to a given challenge
(leaving aside that "wider variety" could include responses like "behead it or throw acid in its face"), richer cultural life and a more varied pool of talents (with similar caveats as the aforementioned one).

>>76247643
>>76247703
Ironic to Khan stance then, "terrorism is part and parcel of Islam existing", since all the other forms of terrorism are marginal.

>>76247038
Yeah ours and Canada's reservations can be pretty fucked up too.

>>76247738
He is spot on.

>>76247102
>German blooded people aren't ugly

In case you didn't know, in Europe the Brits and the Germans are known as the pinnacle of ugliness. Brits win that game however.

>>76247659
He's right you know?
Japan has terrorism.
Saying that if Europe had several million people less, then ~100-200 people would not have gotten alahu acbared (some of which part of the above mentioned millions of muslims) is pretty stupid.

>>76247584
>You mistake cause and consequence
Well, for new world immigration was one of the causes though. Also euros imported Arabs not because of humanism, they just had a huge labor shortages in 60s when their economies were thriving so they started immigration. Since 90s they have actually made their immigration laws more strict, now it's way more difficult to move there than it was in 80s. And the majority of their immigrant population came there in 50s-80s. No one gives a fuck about humanism in politics.

>>76247782
IRA?
Tamil Tigers?
United Liberation Front of Assam?

>>76247053
Lagers instead of ale, hamburgers, our hot dogs, kindergarten, a lot of apartment buildings in NYC are built in the Berliner style, NASA, etc. A Kraut basically had a lot to do with our military (he introduced boot camp and MP). Alot of leaders, generals and businessman also have German ancestory.

>>76247846
>Japan has terrorism.
Are you really that retarded?
Some guys did terrorists act once in a blue moon.
>Everything is the same
You are just being deliberately obtuse and trying to use relativism to obfuscate the truth.
>Saying that if Europe had several million people less, then ~100-200 people would not have gotten alahu acbared (some of which part of the above mentioned millions of muslims) is pretty stupid.
This doesn't even make any sense.

>>76247782
Not really, there were little to no islamic terrorism before 70s and rise of popularity of the political Islam which has borrowed terrorist tactics from PLO and other MENA leftist groups.

>>76247809
I just don't understand how migration weakens the "quality" of people. Would PNG getting millions of Australians moving over reduce the quality of the workforce?

Australia is lucky in that we can be selective in who we take in. The vast majority of migrants have to demonstrate that they're of value of Australia to get a visa here. I fail to see how that means that the quality of Australians is decreasing because of that. Well over 2/3rds of our population have English heritage, we're not getting replaced and we're never going to get replaced here with the amount of English migrants that come over here.

>>76247680
Is used less these days afaik. What I described is often not seen as crime though, maybe would be more correct to say it is not punished unless it becomes a big scandal somehow

>>76247972
The middle class is not infinite.

>>76247223
>worshipping immigrants for the food we provide them
Thanks for the food poisoning, next time tell your parents not to have explosive diarrhea on the crops.

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>>76247643
ISIS did threaten Japan, Japan responded by making them aware of the fact that they have survived nuclear attacks, and can therefor survive anything ISIS throws at them.

>>76248019
okay
what does that mean

>>76248058
ISIS threaten everyone and everything. That doesn't mean that they're considered a threat.

>>76248045
why don't you wash your fuits and vegetables?

>>76248059
It's pretty fucking simple.
You need an explanation for a five word sentence?

>>76248130
regarding what it means in the context of the discussion, yeah

>>76248097
They executed two Japanese citizens.

>>76247494
>was inhabited by Mexicans?
Barely. They never really had huge populations in the areas, it's why they invited Americans to settle Texas.

>>76248146
That's how it weakens the quality of people.

>>76248160
that's not a terrorist attack in Japan

>>76248206
How

>>76247643
>But USA was a complete shithole before the second half of 20th century.
No it wasn't. Great depression aside the first half wasn't bad. Our cities actually went to shit in the second half of the century and we lost industry.

>>76247920
Ah yes forgot these going on 'jihad' to conquest the world. Here a few technophobics bomb ATMs like once every year. Watch out ISIS!

>>76247952
>rise of popularity of the political Islam
Exactly, in this context Islam should not be given a free pass for their hate on western values and way of life.

Media had orgies with the fact the last terrorists were born in Europe and not refugees, hence open borders was ok, when in fact terrorism by locals muslims just show the situation is way worse.

>>76248221
By lowering their class.

>>76245906

I agree with him.

Melting pot is good, all immigrants should join the national ethnicity and culture, even if by joining it they change it.
The idea of a society made of many different bubbles with different cultures, who are respectful of each other but dont mix, is terrible.

in europe the refugees and immigrants from islamic countries should stop being muslim, and marry the natives, not people form their countries.

>>76248274
who why and how

>>76248210
I don't even know what the Russian said desu.

>>76248124
I do other people apparently don't. Also we have food recalls if Paco pollutes them.

>>76248282
America is no melting pot. Neither are we, we have clear areas where Asians live.

>>76248346
Australia definitely is a melting pot.

>>76248232
>Our cities actually went to shit in the second half of the century
Well, they were really shitty in 80s but now they are pretty much okay.
>and we lost industry.
It's mostly a meme, look at you export tree. You just moved low tech industry overseas (but now I guess you would get it back because mass automation would make in profitable to make sneakers at home and not spend money for transportation and paying the salaries at all).

>>76248255
>Exactly, in this context Islam should not be given a free pass for their hate on western values and way of life
Do you realize there is a difference between Islam as religion and political Islam as political ideology? Islam is 1400 years old, political Islam is 100 years old. It's not "local Muslims who commit attacks, people in Europe who support political Islam are the same people by mindset who support neonazism. Blaming all Muslims with terrorist attacks is like blaming all the white people with crimes of neonazis.

>>76248368
Right, where Springvale is where all the Asians melt together with White people and Dandenong where all the Black people melt together with White people. Oh wait.
It is practically tribes. Delusional yuppie.

>>76248282
>all immigrants should join the national ethnicity and culture
It's assimilation, it's not the melting pot. My opinion is that everyone should get mixed with the others so there would be no retarded ethnic or religious divisions.

>>76248592
not going to speak for Victoria, but we don't have that at all where I live, despite most people being migrants

>>76248282
>should stop being muslim, and marry the natives
I don't support the inclusion of large quantities of Muslims in my country. Nothing good can come from it.
>>76248608
My opinion is that everyone should get mixed with the others so there would be no retarded ethnic or religious divisions.
Ok. You first. I pass.
>>76248545
>political Islam is 100 years old
What is a Caliphate?
Are you really that ignorant?
>Blaming all Muslims with terrorist attacks is like blaming all the white people with crimes of neonazis.
Yes, you are.

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>>76248624
If they are a majority where you are and a minority in the nation, then they have obviously gathered in one paticular spot and are not ''''melting''' into the entire nation.

>>76248745
"they" aren't. There's migrants from all over the world mixing together with Australian born people.

>>76248775
In that one particular spot.
If they were melting there would be no spots.
Do you know what fucking melting is?

>>76248809
I'm talking about the entire Perth region

>>76245711
living peacefully

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>>76248843
Oh no fucking shit the Capital is full mixing immigrants.
Jesus Christ.

>>76245711
Less political support for deranged leftards.

>>76248946
what are you even saying

>>76245906
isnt it interesting how people that live in countries where they dont experience (((melting pot))) think its good? hahaha be greatful ruskie - melting pot fucking sucks, i wish america was a homogeneous white country like it should be. fuck non-white races tbqh

>>76245525
oh my god you're a genius

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Fucking retard thinks the city is example of the entire nation.

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>>76245463
you are not white

>>76248711
>What is a Caliphate
Feudal state which existed 1000 years ago. And before ISIS not a single Islamist group attempted to restore Caliphate. Try to read anything on MENA history. In 20th century they had a nationalist boom and capitalism incoming lime Europe had in 19th century, now these objective historical processes have lead to the appearance, first, of political Islam (analogue of European fascism) and ISIS (analogue of Nazism). Do you realize that other Syrian Islamist groups don't commit attacks outside of Syria except ISIS? Try to learn.
>Ok. You first. I pass.
That's what we have been doing in Russia for centuries.

>>76248545
Russia what, Islam has been on war with Europe (and the non-islamic world) since it's creation, and that was back when Cristianism was also savage very alike Islam and less sinful on Islamic eyes. Like Spain said there is nothing good from importing Islam, how many times has an apologist said it was somehow west's fault that a local muslim performs an attack? These fuckers are the first ones to put the terrorist and non-terrorists on the same bag by denying what is wrong in that religion.

>like blaming all the white people with crimes of neonazis
Anon this already happens, also with the history of slavism, "the white people owes it to X because Y". http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/reparations-african-americans-un/

Grudges and endless hate are very present on the current left's narrative

>>76248988
Russia is a textbook example of melting pot, you moron, we have been mixing altogether for centuries and it is working perfectly, the only ethnicities we have problems with are those who are the least mixed - Caucasian peoples. We have no problems with Tatars, Kalmyks, Yakuts etc.

>>76249138
What is Al-Nushra? What is Al-Qaeda? What are all those Islamic terrorist groups committing terror attacks all over the world?
>Feudal state which existed 1000 years ago
What is the Ottoman Caliphate?
What is the religious significance of the Caliph in Muslim religion?
Good lord you are a complete ignorant moron and worse still you think of yourself as smart despite being a complete ignorant that only knows to repeat talking points.

>>76249251
Schlomo...

>>76249251
you dont have niggers though. asians dont really bother anyone, and russian-asians can actually be pretty cute

>>76247523
>Not getting robbed
Poor people didn't exist back then ?

>>76249151
Europe had little to no Islamic terrorism before ISIS and Al Quaeda despite there were tons of Muslims since 50s. Also Islam has never existed as the single power, as well as Christianity, it can't be in war with anything because Islam as whole doesn't exist. Moreover, overwhelming majority of terrorists come from the salafist sect of Islam, not the others. You don't know what you're talking about, I propose you to read Concise History of Middle East (really good book) at least.

>>76249433
>it can't be in war with anything because Islam as whole doesn't exist
The bullshit of this is reaching levels of sophism that shouldn't been posible.
What is the Ummah by the way?
>Europe had little to no Islamic terrorism before ISIS and Al Quaeda despite there were tons of Muslims since 50s.
Of course. They were few and the support for terrorism wasn't big enough in western countries yet. But check terrorist attacks in their home countries.
But you are only interested in bullshitting Schlomo.
>Concise History of Middle East (really good book) at least.
Kek. Doesn't even know about the meaning of the Caliphate as political-Religious entity in Islam and lectures me about books. AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>76249298
>What is the Ottoman Caliphate?
Another feudal state which has never united all the Muslims of the world and was really far from modern political Islam. Except ISIS there are almost no movements who want to restore le caliphate, it's a cringeworthy shit, like Mussolini wanted to restore Roman Empire. Not even Nusra and Al Kaeda claims it.
>What is the religious significance of the Caliph in Muslim religion
In fact it was a symbolic title which meaned nothing since the Abbasids.
You don't know anything about MENA history, dude.

>>76249602
>Except ISIS there are almost no movements who want to restore le caliphate
Not real Communism argument. Kek.
>In fact it was a symbolic title which meaned nothing since the Abbasids.
>The Pope is a Symbolic title that means nothing since Protestantism.
You are being purposely retarded.

>>76249567
>What is the Ummah by the way?
It was a meme even in 7th century, what are you talking about?
>They were few
They weren't few.
>But check terrorist attacks in their home countries
Before the 70s overwhelming majority of attacks in MENA was either by Jews or leftists or Arab nationalists. Political Islam became a major power in politics only in 70s.
>Doesn't even know about the meaning of the Caliphate as political-Religious entity in Islam
Shit, it's a pure theory written in a books which can be interpreted any way you want no one gave a fuck about since the crush of Righteous Caliphate.

>>76246831
voltaire was so right about so many things

>>76247223
literally what are u on about

>>76249713
Under Abbasids caliphate became ripped on a smaller feuds and no one gave a fuck about le caliph, moreover, there were alternative caliphates (Kordova for example).
>Not real Communism argument
Just learn about their retarded ideology. Most of political Islam in fact is just an Islamic conservatism mixed with nationalism to the different grades of radicalism so it's actually a very close to fascism thing. ISIS is closer to nazis with it's universalist approach, it's basically nazism with religion instead of race. That's why they do terrorist attacks worldwide. Specifically in Europe they do it to alienate local Muslims and make locals hate them so Muslims would be oppressed and thus get radicalized.

>>76249744
>It was a meme even in 7th century, what are you talking about?
That's why the Muslims keep electing Caliphs and claiming the title. Because it was a meme title. Your bullshitting is truly epic.
>They weren't few.
Yes they were. And Muslim immigration started in the late 1960s. Your bullshitting is truly epic.
>Shit, it's a pure theory written in a books which can be interpreted any way you want no one gave a fuck about since the crush of Righteous Caliphate.
Literally religious dogma for the Muslims. You bullshit that none cares. Except you, know, Muslims.

>>76245906
(((you)))

>>76247386
>wala
but ive been on 4 chins for 10 years and neber seen anyone say wala
so....maybe u /out/

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>>76249917
Nitpick a historical moment deliberately forgetting others in which it actually had importance.
I'm starting to think you are not debating in good faith Schlomo.
>ISIS is closer to nazis
The guy that tries to lecture me in a religion he obviously doesn't know anything about tries to make meme comparisons with nazis.
ISIS defines themselves as a religious Caliphate.
>No, it is actually nazism
KEK

Autist itt act as if they are exposed to any culture from their mom's basement than internet shitposting.

more idiots to beat up

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>>76245463
Hot biracial women

>>76246905
>terrorism
>hate
>murder
>exclusively muslim
AND FROM A SPANIARD, NO LESS.

>>76250294
Ah yes because Jews and Muslims are known to get along just fine in the West Bank, kek

>>76247496
>No sectarian terrorist attacks in tokyo
>mfw the sarin gas attack was the result of religious violence nonetheless

>>76247620
A country's economic power ceased being about quantity after the industrial revolution

Nothing good has ever come out of multiculturalism, its the biggest political meme ever devised.

Multiculturalism would work if only natives would regulate immigrant areas heavily.

Prevention of crime culture developing. Educated and respectful foreigners are bro tier even more so than educated natives.

>>76245463
Cheap labour and skilled workers from 3rd world nations that you don't even have to invest in
they come ready

>>76245463
The birth of Caste society with the invaders in the lower echelons.

>>76245463
>I actually can't think of the benefit of multiculturalism
because there are none

America doesn't have enough high-skill, hard-working tech workers due to >American education and culture, so we import them from developing countries, and while they tend to integrate well due to America's fantastic integration programs, they bring with them benign elements of their previous culture and kids that will grow up to be America's next doctors, engineers, and scientists. Multiculturalism is important in America because it's currently the only thing that allows us to keep and grow our technological edge. Native whites are falling behind, getting hooked on heroin, and voting people into office who are further degrading the K-12 education system, so if it were not for high-skill immigrants we'd be pretty fucked in a decade or two.

>>76245463
I'm from Berlin and I love seeing people from different cultures on a daily basis
We often talk about cultural differences and similarities, it's very interesting
Westerners can learn from other cultures and vise versa

ITT: People who don't live in multicultural cities give opinion on why it's bad.

Multiculturalism is a loaded word that means many, many things. it can obviously mean different european ethnic groups since a russia or italian immigrating here would be multi-ethnic.

From the perspective of places where they don't form walled off ghettoes, multicultiralism works well in that people eventually adapt canadian culture. IE I work at my university in a lab that is multi-ethnic where ethnicity/culture isn't even relevant and people act normally as they would anywhere else.

>>76245463
French provide clocks, germans provide Röst, italians provide polenta. I don't know what the rumantsch provide, but it's probably important and traditional. Possibly masks.

>>76245463
multiculturalism = better culture and more development

that's why people living in isolated places where living in huts meanwhile the mediterranean cunts and middle east where making great stuff

>>76263622
this
cultural exchange is important for development. However, cultural enclaves like France has where members of the enclave are treated like second-class citizens and there's a huge disparity between standards of living are clearly dangerous. There needs to be simultaneous integration and exchange, like America and Canada have (though blacks in America and natives in both cunts are evidence of the problems with enclaves).

>>76264118
if anything America and Canada have historically been a bad example of integration and even nowadays there are many problems

>>76264258
There aren't, though, particularly in Canada where racism is low and the population is very blended. When people immigrate to the US and Canada, they're put through an intense integration program, given a job, and adopt the culture quickly. The problems lie with populations that were either native or brought here forcibly then forgotten and neglected. They're our version of France's North Africans. There's a reason why African immigrants to the US thrive while the descendants of slaves do not.

>>76264624
And I guess there are issues with illegals from Mexico, but they also have to lie low, and despite the memeing their children generally adopt American culture completely, unless they're stuck somewhere like a border town or south LA.

>>76264624
native situation is still pretty bad in both countries
black and hispanics also have many problems in the US, a lot of them live in ghettos, incarceration, poverty and university rates, etc
there's also stuff like BLM and blacks where second tier citizens 50 years ago
plus a racist president just got elected by being clearly racist

>>76245463
Memes aside, it really hasn't bothered me. As long as everyone follows the law of the land, I am perfectly ok with it.
Plus, I love hearing stories from other countries and I am interested in knowing their cultural practices and customs.

>>76264969
Oh, what you're saying is indisputable. What this country has done to the blacks and natives is an absolute disgrace. However, we have very, very few problems with recent immigrants. Our integration model is one that Europe should adopt and possibly even go further with to ensure that their immigrants become productive members of society.

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>>76249960
>mexican education

>>76265191
>lets become a minority in our own country.

1, youre probably not white

2, you've never been to an inner city for a month

3, you've never been to jail

4, you've never been poor

fuck off

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>>76265664
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43\

fuck you kike, i hope you get curb stomped by the niggers you care so much about

>>76265752
(((Bernard Lewis))) the Armenian Genocide denier?
Burger Education folks...

>>76245463
Jew

>>76245525
6-star post from my loveliest ally

>>76266873
>armenian
>holohoax
Lewis was alive and in the Ottoman empire when said shoax took place

>>76245463
Nothing, multiculturalism and mass immigration will destroy western countries. It's 2017 and we have the worst race relations in America. peaceful coexistence doesn't seem possible at this point. To keep everyone from killing each other the country is becoming a police state, more surveillance and regulating the internet. Next will be see the military deployed on our streets. You won't be able to go anywhere without going through a military checkpoint in western countries.

>>76267004
Your point?

>>76265904
Yes, higher crime rates do result from systematically alienating ethnic groups in areas without opportunity. We see it happening before our eyes in poor rural white communities.

>>76267515
That's why immigrants has always higher crime rates than natives. Oh wait...

>>76267563
it's more of a poor vs rich thing rather than ethnical
and your post is a consequence of what >>76267515 says

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>>76267764
>it's more of a poor vs rich thing
So the richer you are the more virtuous you are and the less chances to commit a crime?
Poor people are naturally immoral?
>your post is a consequence of what >>76267515 says
Care to explain?

>>76267563
They don't in the US...

>>76267878
ethnic minorites and inmigrants end up living in poor ghettos where they have no chances and end up having higher crime rates
also policemen or even the state itself creating proofs out of nothing against these minorities is not a strange thing

>So the richer you are the more virtuous you are and the less chances to commit a crime?
>Poor people are naturally immoral?
let's take a simple example, rob a bank or commit tax fraud and look how you get a different treatment and legal trouble than the average rich person

>>76267940
False. And if you are going to mention all those fabricated studies about it...
Just check the inmate population in prisons

>>76268061
>ethnic minorites and inmigrants end up living in poor ghettos
Are you saying that all immigrants are poor people living in Ghettos?
Because that is blatantly false. I was speaking of just plain immigrants. If we only take in account unemployable immigrants then the numbers of crime rate skyrocket.
So are you trying to actually agree with me?
>policemen or even the state itself creating proofs out of nothing against these minorities is not a strange thing
Whoa, that's nut conspiracy level bullshit. Dindu nuffin.
>let's take a simple example, rob a bank or commit tax fraud and look how you get a different treatment and legal trouble than the average rich person
You are not answering my question.

>>76245463
Ethnic women

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>>76268389

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>>76268117
All you needed to do was google 'immigrants crime united states'...

http://thehill.com/latino/324607-reports-find-that-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-us-born-citizens

This has been known for years. Sorry that your stormnigger maymays don't reflect reality.

>>76268621
You seem to have reading comprehension problems.
>And if you are going to mention all those fabricated studies about it...
>Just check the inmate population in prisons

>>76268269
the richer you are doesn't make you more virtous and less likely to commit crimes but makes it easier to avoid trouble

I'm not saying that all inmigrants live in poor neighbours or ghettos just like you didn't said that all inmigrants are criminals, they are just more likely

and yes, there are many cases of cops doing that kind of stuff, it happens a lot in USA with blacks and it happens in Spain with gypsies and african inmigrants

at the end it's not a case about inmigrants vs locals but a matter of rich vs poor and white vs non-white

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>>76268734
"According to the Bureau of Justice Services, of the 1,574,700 prisoners detained in state and federal prisons in 2013, 73,665 were foreign-born (p.20). That makes it 4.6% of the prison population, versus a total immigrant population of 13.3%, both legal and undocumented. Further, according to an American Immigration Council analysis of Census data, 1.6% of all immigrant men aged 18 to 39 were imprisoned, while the US-born rate was twice has high, at 3.3%."

>studies and objective statistics don't matter
>what does is muh feelings about the matter

You'd fit right in here. :)

>>76268753
>the richer you are doesn't make you more virtous and less likely to commit crimes but makes it easier to avoid trouble
So then wealth is irrelevant and your point is invalid.
> there are many cases of cops doing that kind of stuff, it happens a lot in USA with blacks and it happens in Spain with gypsies and african inmigrants
Please stop pulling bullshit out of your butt. So Inmigrants dindu nuffing. The actual criminals are the cops that frame then. it's all a huge conspiracy. Oh Boy....
And by the way Gypsies and Africans ACTUALLY commit way more crimes in Spain. Just like blacks in the US and is not just the police executing a huge conspiracy to frame them.

>>76245463
having quran sessions, going to the mosque with friends, sing the prayer in the morning

>>76261831
Be honest to yourself, it's all just for the benefit of the corporations. Importing cheap labour, as it's just another way like erecting a factory in India.

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>>76268922
>The American Immigration Council is a Washington, D.C.-based 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization and advocacy group. It studies immigration to the United States, advocates for undocumented immigrants in the United States, and attempts to educate the public on what it describes as "the important and enduring contributions that immigrants make to America"

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY, LMAO.

YOU DON'T GIVE ANY SOURCE OF YOUR CITATION BUT IT SEEMS TO BE THIS:
https://qz.com/895624/how-much-crime-is-committed-by-immigrants/

BUT IF YOU READ THE ACTUAL PAPER THE NUMBER THEY ARE QUOTING IS:

Reported state and federal noncitizen inmates and inmates AGE 17 OR YOUNGER.

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I told you not to cite bogus studies....

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>76245711
More social cohesion

>>76245463
food
qts
music
that's about it I guess

>>76245906
>USA, Canada, Australia are good examples.
They were melting pots of white europeans Tbh

>>76268969
how dense are you?
I was talking about something that happens sometimes and helps to increase the bad situation of minorities
it's as simple as for example being constantly asked for your passport because you're black even if you're spanish, or a police hitting you because he is a fascist and a racist and then saying that it was because you were resisting, and more

and yes, rich people barely go to jail or even get detained because they are rich, that's why you loose your house if you don't pay the bank while your average Florentino Perez is doing shady stuff and getting thousands of millions from it
same with nobility/church

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>>76269228
Thost are government statistics, tard.

>https://qz.com/895624/how-much-crime-is-committed-by-immigrants/

>Over 90% of crime by foreign nationals is committed by ILLEGAL immigrants

Holy shit you are retarded. You literally just countered your claim:

>That's why immigrants has always higher crime rates than natives.

Based upon your source, the amount of crime committed by legal immigrants is far, far lower than that of the native population, and the rate committed by naturalized citizens is even lower. Good going you paint-eater

>>76251246
It's people killing their own people though -- why import MORE people that are going to hurt you when the original ones do it well enough? That's what I don't fucking get

>>76245463
big cocks for our wives and daughters

>>76269399
and even then it took a while for them to be accepted, Americans especially were racist to Italians, Germans, Irish, Slavs etc