/sino/ - 中文

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what's up boys?

hello biggest trading partner

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>>76242852
i'm good :-)

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Meme

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First for Japan

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As a plebeian, this is all my chingchong vocabulary:

您,姓,李,先生,王,我,叫,大衛,好,是,人,嗎,不,你,什麼,名字,字,哪,呢,他,她,誰,愛,小姐,老師,珍呢,貴,也,可是,早,趙,張,好久不見,忙,啊,冷,很,謝謝,天氣,這,熱,太太,去,上課,們,太,大,再見,高,累,餓,渴,愛美,朋友,和,喜歡,看,電影,電視,都,有,沒有,要,汽車,車子,買,好看,書,筆,報,東西,中國,美國,英國,德國,法國,日本,巴西,文,懂,咖啡,貓,狗,馬,茶,枝,多,多少,少,錢,種,毛,分,幾,兩,塊,零,一,二,三,四,五,六,七,八,九,十,百,千,萬,零錢,給,請,找,個,杯,盃,一共,半,位,本,那,輛,元,漢堡,可樂,啤酒,蘋果,頁,鞋,衣服,雙,三明治,果汁,家,爸爸,媽媽,伯伯,哥哥,弟弟,姐姐,妹妹,的,像片兒,,對,還是,孩子,女朋友,些,有的,隻,兒子,女兒,男,學,學生,大學,家人,一些,新,請問,舊,覺得,想,知道,會,小,只,賣,學校,有名,錶,夠,聖保羅,歲,開。

Started studying mandarin 3 months ago and, oh boy, is this shit hard.

Also damn chinks talk 2 fast 4 me; I just can't keep up.

B4 I forget: traditional > simplified

>>76242680 #
Okay I see

Wealth is based on net wealth here. So maybe if you live with more debt the living standards can be higher even if your net wealth is lowered.

I'm gonna go with spaniards having better quality of life, but it not being as big of a gap as initially expected.

Everywhere outside the cities in Spain looks like it got stuck in the Franco era.

Vale. Originalmente soy de Estados Unidos y ahora estoy en Madrid también. 40* cada día =[

>>76243015
Chinese is pretty easy though
Coz it's pure and no borrow word

>>76242994
>Everywhere outside the cities in Spain looks like it got stuck in the Franco era.

People in the countryside are actually the richest. This is our best-kept secret. They're the ones who got rich speculating with land during the property bubble and they have more money than they could ever hope to spend. Unfortunately they're also a bunch of hicks so it doesn't show.

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>not enough zhaos in this worl-

>>76241680
there's also a sizable Japanese and Western influence in Taiwan that doesn't exist in mainland

The dialects are slightly different too, notably the 网络语言 and online culture are very different across the strait

>>76242160
My bad, 以为 you just linked to a Wikipedia article on Fujian province (PRC), thought you'd lost the fucking plot ww

>>76242792
how does it feel to see us 昂莫 talking about your culture like this?

>>76243071
wait which Spain is non-Spaniard Spain?

>>76243015
sorry I can't read Japanese

>all these namefags
与有荣焉

>>76243144
Additional information?

>>76242871
welcome onioneating friend

>>76243153
>wait which Spain is non-Spaniard Spain?
The other guy is

>>76243144
>>76242581
What's your problem, Martínez

>>76242852
What's your take on Alexey Navalny? Do you think he'll bring a better Russia if elected?

>>76243045
>Coz it's pure and no borrow word
lots of "modern" words to describe Western concepts actually had to be reverse imported from Japanese at the end of the 19th century, basic stuff like 科学, 经济,世界, 人民, 警察, etc. Because the Japanese had to Westernize and modernize and translate these words first while the Qing were pissing about thinking they were the greatest.

Also,

>laughingSEAchinks.jpg

>>76243153
To be fair, there's also sizeable western, and to a lesser extent japanese, cultural influence on the mainland (Eastern coast). Furthermore, about 20% of Taiwan, mainly the elderly now, was born on the mainland. About 70% have grandparents or great grandparents from the mainland, and all the Tsiens and Cheungs' ancestors are from the mainland.

Only 1.5% of Taiwan is indigenous.

>Fujian
Yep. There is a RoC province by the same name. If Taiwan ever declares independence, those one million people will be conquered in a heartbeat.
They always vote KMT, speak the same language as the Hokkien mainlanders, are mainly buddhist/taoists, and have 90% of their trade and tourism with the mainland.

Many DPP activists want to give these places back to the PRC. Lmao

I am non-Spaniard spain. My español isn't as good and I am the one who posts a lot of articles I've been reading when I'm bored.

>>76243153
>visiting Taiwan
>they literally mix in random Japanese like "あぁ、そう" and shit in between mixing Mandarin with Hokkien

>>76243153
its fine but that xibanya yu should be cut into kao zhurou

>>76243299
i withdraw my remark

>>76243244
>guy

>>76243253
No problema amigo.

>>76243207
1.383 billion Chinese on the mainland. 1.4 billion with the SAZs included.
18.5 million births in 2016
9.3 million deaths
8.7 million new Cheungs

>>76243299
Este aquí es la verdad

>>76243266
yes, i think he would at least try to fight corruption or make it not so widespread. this is probably the biggest problem in russia along with money-stealing oligarchs and their puppets in the government. also russia has to improve its diplomacy work and stabilise the relations with all the neighbouring countries that is putin clearly does nit want to do
alas he has no chance to win the elections. putin will probably not even allow him to hold an election campaign or not let him to participate in the elections at all.
too much anti-navalny propaganda is spreading by kremlin-paid shills especially in the russian internet of course.

>>76243299
>Qing were pissing about thinking they were the greatest
qing tried tho. like 经济 wa originally translated as 生计 by 严复, but eventually wasn't adopted

>>76243370
How would that work?

Is it like how weebs use japanese in english/spanish?

>>76243370
tealive or chat time?

>>76243437
thanks for using my language
fuck 眼福哥

>>76243479
Gong Cha

Slowly but surely I have come to the realization that all the chinos should work together and form a East Asian Union. But make it economic and cultural instead of political to avoid the EU's problems.

Solutions
1. NK needs to be fixed.
2. Autism over the Senkakus/Dokdo should stop. Everyone knows they are meaningless but nationalism is a great popularity booster.
3. Decrease overt US control of Japan/SK/Taiwan.
4. CCP has to liberalize more and maybe use the Hong Kong/Singapore/Japan one-party election system.
5. Use anime, k-pop, and chinese memes to strengthen cultural bonds.

Thoughts?

>>76243617
>But make it economic and cultural instead of political to avoid the EU's problems.
Literally ASEAN

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一个高度内卷化的陆地农业帝国,一个长期缺乏与其他先进文明交流产生进步动力的文明,莫名其妙的在工业革命发生前独霸世界两千年,本来就是一个非常爆笑的谬论。但是得利于李约瑟之流的历史发明以及CPC的大力推广,这一说法竟然深入人心。经济学人此次扯下了这层遮羞布,怕不是要酝酿成大型辱华事件咯

>>76243655
ASEAN is a shitshow run by idiots.
But I guess I see your point. ASEAN did start as an anti-Indonesia/Vietnam organization... and maybe that means that East Asia can overcome its history and political problems.

RCEP is one step in that direction.

>>76243617
你是海外华人吗?还是来 shitpost 的西班牙人?有资格来批评别的国家吗?

>>76243679
Already argued and invalidated on /his/
The study added nothing to our knowledge. Angus Maddisson already determined these numbers in 2003.

China as a whole versus the three richest places in Western Europe is a misleading comparison. Europe as a whole versus China as a whole, or Shanghai/Nanjing/Beijing versus North Italy/Netherlands/England.

>>76243689
kek.
Japan is already teaming up with SEA over the Chinese.

>>76243617
USGay is the biggest problem i think
USGay will come to destroy other people team up like EU,ASEAN
cancerous

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>>76243689
>ASEAN is a shitshow run by idiots.
Still better than the African Union.

>>76243837
>[Citations needed]

SEA is a very disparate group and there has been little sign of this actually happening. Either way, ASEAN is firmly in China's pocket.

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>>76243617
>3. Decrease overt US control of Japan/SK/Taiwan.
That's the key to the matter. Japan and SK actually exchange part of their sovereignty to America for supply of foods and petroleum given these two countries are extremely lack resources and over-populated. If they want to unite China to form a EA union, China firstly have to win their trust that China is willing to consistently offer them these two necessity in Industrial society to maintain their people's livings. This need a long way to go.


>>76243679
This. >>76243803 图里的研究就是个噱头而已, 用来炒作的

>>76243891
European Islamic Union*

>>76243750
neither of them speak 华语 mate

>>76243981
They've been trying to renew the TPP (a tool that Obama wanted to use as part of his pivot against China) minus the US, though Vietnam and Malaysia are skeptical because access to US markets was the point for them.

>>76244047
去你的,我不知道那个美国的会不会而我是住过几年中国的,我咋不会讲中国话呀

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>>76244047
>>76244116

>>76243617
China has to take the first step by not being a bully and dealing with others in good faith, stop using Japan as a nationalist scapegoat eighty years later, having proper respect for basic rights and freedoms that the USA exported to its East Asian vassals.

>>76244055
TPP is literally fish out of water without The US. period.

>>76244116
你在这儿post这么久了终于讲中文了 我还在奇怪怎么有个西班牙人能看懂那个人发的图片里的文字

>>76244204
Yes but it speaks to their desperation that they are trying keep it at all even as RCEP is being negotiated.

>>76244055
Hahaha and there are only 4 SEA members part of it. Even if it does happen, that leaves out 10 others.

TPP- is far less meaningful than TPP was. RCEP is now what matters, and they are gonna wrap it up this year.

>>76244190
Yeah pretty much

But to be fair, the CCP is concerned mainly about China. 1.4 billion people is the main concern for now, and then in the 2020's that may change once China is developed.

>>76244244
It's more to keep Abe from looking stupid in Japan. He's been having a difficult time with corruption allegations, losing his ally in SK, and sucking Trump's cock.

>>76244231
说实在的咱西班牙人是欧洲的老中,你瞧咱们有horchata呀churros呀这难道不等于你们的豆浆油条吗嘻嘻

OP here. 没有人仔细看OP上附的图么 ╥﹏╥

>>76244380
>horchata
>churros
哈哈 真的耶 更准确的说 你们是欧洲人里的老北京;-)

Are chink girls' feet extra smelly after a day of wearing crocs and taking them off

What are the more popular sites that Mainland Chinese/Taiwanese/HK-ers use? I'm looking for sites that are like reddit or 4chan, but I'm open to any and all suggestions. I'm aware of Weibo and Tieba, just wondering if there are any more similar sites. Thanks a lot.

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>>76244380
对了 话说你用wechat么 用的话要不要join group chat of /sino/

>>76244442
看了 吓得我赶紧又去翻了翻精神现象学压压鲸

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>>76244527
>你们是欧洲人里的老北京

你说得没错儿。。。

>>76244116
哓盆友酱花太梨害,令我和熊第门都虾到了

>>76244231
原来不只是日本混血的那位西八在我们这里灌水呢

>>76244380
笑死了 那以后我就把油条叫为“中式churros”哈哈

>>76244442
有点长···有些懒得看 囧

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>>76244636
并。。。并没有这个意思 I didn't mean that

>>76244586
Use for what? The Sino-websphere is huge. A lot of unis and such have their own BBSs, but they're in the process of being phased out

>>76244286
Apparently RCEP has some really stringent draconian IP rights provisions in it, watch as China proceeds to ignore it all.

>>76244694
>哓盆友酱花太梨害,令我和熊第门都虾到了
蛤蛤格闷尔倪血德泰帮乐

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>>76244636
AAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>76242876
>>76242852
>>76242896
GAY as Fuck
Taiwan is Real china, and Belarus is only and REAL russia.

>>76244891
Are you that Latvian mail-order bride I met in Taiwan? Did you end up getting a divorce?

>>76244788
General netizen talk I guess? It's exactly because the websphere is so huge that I don't know where to begin。 Weibo and Tieba seem more of a springboard to other sites.

western provinces are so poor, why doesnt the government help them

>>76243299
Went to look up more about this and found a fascinating post that expands on the topic.

>The vocabularies that the Chinese borrowed from the Japanese are totally essential for the Chinese language to adapt to modern society. The examples given, like "電話" (telephone) and "經濟" (economy) should indicate this. More examples (all originally Japanese terms):

>法律, meaning "the law"
>警察, "police"
>進化, "evolution"
>自由, "freedom"
>世界, "world"
>科学/科學, "science"
>哲学/哲學, "philosophy"
>主義, "-ism"
>社会/社會, "society". Combine this with the above and you get "socialism"
>共產主義, "communism".

>Why this is, comes from the geopolitical situation of the 19th-20th century. The Meiji Restoration ushered in a unprecedented era of western learning in Japan, as western learning was the fast track to modernization. However, in translating the western literature, the researchers ran into a problem. Classical Chinese, the script that Japan had been using until this point, is hopelessly outdated for this purpose: either there is no corresponding concept in Chinese or the Chinese terms for that concept carried connotations inadequate for a modern society. For example, contemporary essayist Natsume Souseki once wrote this in his Japanese diary:

>law ハ nature ノ world ニ於ル如ク human world ヲ govern シテ居ル

>because back then there weren't adequate terms in Chinese to describe "law", "nature", etc.

>To combat this, the Japanese researchers created words on their own, often by combining characters that together formed a new meaning, or scoured ancient Chinese texts for words with similar meanings. For instance, 世界 "the world" used to be a Buddhism term describing all the realms of the living. The corresponding word for "world" in Classical Chinese at the time was "天下", but literally means "all under heaven", inappropriate for the needs of the times.

>>76244891
But what about The Real Chinese claiming they aren't China anymore?

>>76245051
>While all this is going on in Japan, China was late in realizing that they needed to learn from the west as well to catch up with the rest of the world. By then, the Chinese researchers had access to the fruits of Japanese research, all meticulously translated into compound, easily understandable Chinese terms. Even though there are local Chinese attempts at translating western works, the Chinese terms that came from these were often phonetically translated (like 德謨克拉西, "de mo ke la xi" for "democracy" - the characters mean nothing to those who don't know English) or made use of obscure and arcane single characters. This coincided with the perceived need for Chinese language reform, where intellectuals found Classical Chinese to inaccessible for the common people and pushed for the adoption of Vernacular Chinese in the written works. As a result, many originally Japanese terms entered the modern Chinese lexicon instead of the locally developed words.

>Nowadays, both Chinese and Japanese still make use of these words, but the methodology for translating new concepts ("cloning", for example) is completely different. Japanese now use katakana to phonetically transcribe these foreign terms (クローニング, "kurooningu") while Chinese is a whole mess due to the political situation - there can be two or three variations (or more!). It seems that Mainland China prefers to phonetically transcribe terms most of the time (克隆, "ke long"), while Taiwan and Hong Kong use meaningful translations (複製, "to produce by copying"). If you ask me, I'd say the Chinese language reform isn't complete!

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http://pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html

>There is truth in this linguistic yarn; Chinese does deserve its reputation for heartbreaking difficulty. Those who undertake to study the language for any other reason than the sheer joy of it will always be frustrated by the abysmal ratio of effort to effect.

>There are a lot of popular books and articles that downplay this difficulty, saying things like "Despite the fact that Chinese has [10,000, 25,000, 50,000, take your pick] separate characters you really only need 2,000 or so to read a newspaper". Poppycock.

>This fairy tale is promulgated because of the fact that, when you look at the character frequencies, over 95% of the characters in any newspaper are easily among the first 2,000 most common ones. But what such accounts don't tell you is that there will still be plenty of unfamiliar words made up of those familiar characters. (To illustrate this problem, note that in English, knowing the words "up" and "tight" doesn't mean you know the word "uptight".)

>The other day one of my fellow graduate students, someone who has been studying Chinese for ten years or more, said to me "My research is really hampered by the fact that I still just can't read Chinese. It takes me hours to get through two or three pages, and I can't skim to save my life." This would be an astonishing admission for a tenth-year student of, say, French literature, yet it is a comment I hear all the time among my peers.

>Someone once said that learning Chinese is "a five-year lesson in humility". I used to think this meant that at the end of five years you will have mastered Chinese and learned humility along the way. However, now having studied Chinese for over six years, I have concluded that actually the phrase means that after five years your Chinese will still be abysmal, but at least you will have thoroughly learned humility.

>>76244586
there are indeed more similar sites but not that popular

>>76245051
there are more than 1000 loan words from Japanese in Chinese language according to some shittily written Chinese grad paper I was reading recently

One interesting thing to note about it is how the use of loan words also marks the importing of ideology from the source culture, especially how the loan words themselves often act to carry those ideologies

>>76245005
Pick something you're interested in and 100% chance there'll be a bunch of online communities for it. I got involved in one Chinese forum because of interest in doujin music (同人音乐), 5 years later, after learning the language, I've become a core member of the site

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>>76244636

How does someone join the Communist Party of China?

嗷 刚刚看见有雷落在了离家很近的地方

>>76244996
>Are you that Latvian mail-order bride I met in Taiwan? Did you end up getting a divorce?
Said fucking spain, kek, you do realise that our economy is one of fastest growing in Europe right?We will soon reach Italy and then you, after western europe will turn in shithole becouse of refugees, it will be your woman who will prostitute on eastern european streets.

>>76245704
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China#Members

>>76245774
噫 以前住高楼的时候经常有雷砸到楼顶上 吓死人

>>76245704
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/1984044/long-arduous-process-joining-chinas-communist-party

literally 2nd result on google, don't be lazy

>>76245868
He's some chinkgook in Spain with a severe identity crisis pretending to be Japanese

>>76245935
>>76245955
But is this *actually membership* Or is this just for China to appear slightly democratic? I want to know if it's actually possible to climb to the top of the Standing Committee

>>76246015
I see now.

>>76246064
What,are you looking at climbing the party ranks? There's heaps of writing on this, both academic and news-based, look it up

>>76246243
>are you looking at climbing the party ranks?
Of course not, I'm not even chinese. I'm just curious about this

>>76245868
Is this the latvian equivalent of "superpower by 2030"? You'll have to export a few more women before you catch up to us

>>76246015
>He's some chinkgook in Spain with a severe identity crisis pretending to be Japanese
Wut

>>76246308
If I remember correctly, Hu Jintao, former president, comes from a family which runs a teahouse

Wen Jiabao, former prime minister, both of his parents are teachers.

So it's possible

Although their ascension to power relied more on political intrigue than "democratic process" that's for sure

>27 posters so far.

在我发现可以查看有多少用户在本帖下留言之前,我一直以为/sino/只有大概15个人发帖。= =

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>>76246418
''us'' you aren't even Spanish, idiot........
Scound of all, i would of loved to see how you would of laughed if it was you who got Liberated by Ivan, not sure if you even would of handled it faggot proabably would of commited suicide.
Third of all.
This is not Ukraine, we don't export woman, but you sure soon will.

>>76246517
+1,28 nao

>>76246428
That's exactly what I wanted to know, thanks!

>>76246428
>political intrigue
hu and wen is more like recommended by Song Ping and Hu Yaobang and 钦定ed by Deng, tho most of other members of standing committee indeed rise to their post through political struggle and intrigue

>>76246517
你难道还能分清中国国旗都是谁吗 (´ﾟДﾟ`)

>>76246574
>you aren't even Spanish, idiot........
You must have me confused with the other Spanish flag poster, Svetlana.

Also, unlike you, I'm not even memeing. I did meet an actual Latvian mail-order bride in Taiwan. Nice girl, but she was obviously married to her ugly tuhao of a husband for the money and not for his charm or good looks.

>>76246517
I'm using shadow clone technic though

>>76246308
>>76246592
There are nearly 100 million party members, and there's several ranks. Climbing up ranks is on a basis of public service and guanxi, although in practice this just means scratching the right people's backs and turning a blind eye to their misdealings

looking at the ascent 过程of some notable party members is a good way to understand it (for example, if you look at Xi's portfolio, it's pretty clear why he got the top job)

>>76246656
What was her name?

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I'm sick of being ABC and being bantered by native-born Chinese for not knowing Chinese.

尛

>>76246708
Emma, she had rendered it in Chinese as 爱马 which looked and sounded frankly retarded. Some people called her 小苹果 for some reason.

>>76246781
should've been 艾瑪

>>76246781
>Emma
Mate, i can tell allready she wasn't Latvian.

>>76246798
Yes, and even that is only marginally better. Phonetically translated names always suck. There's always some 李卡多 or 安东尼 who refuses to get a proper name.

>>76246813
But she was. Nothing personal, just an anecdote.

>>76246709
What generation are you? Fourth and fifth generation Chinese in this country can still speak Mandarin. You have no excuse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS1MtYEdtZY

>>76246712
夶

>>76246850
Second generation (i'm native born, my parents were born in china)... it just makes the roasting harsher.

also america is different than malaysia. I don't want to be seen as a FOB

>>76246844
No she wasn't, no one gives females names like that here, any actual Latvian would know that, it would be equal to Spanish female to be called ''jelena'' or ''svetlana'' like russians call their woman.

>>76246961
Hey, whatever makes you feel better bro

>>76246935
>I don't want to be seen as a FOB
Mate you must live in some real shitty-ass backwards community if being bilingual is seen negatively.

>>76246850
>>76246935
Pretty harsh, depending on their cultural background it can be pretty normal for ABCs to not learn Mandarin

>>76246908
壕 嫑

>>76247075
孬

>>76247097
jeez that's a fucking monster

嫑 and 甭 I can deal with; that's just next-level bastardy

>>76247075
No need to take me so seriously it's just the same bants he's getting from native-born Chinese. Do American-born Hispanics get roasted for not being able to Español too, or is this just Chinese being cultural supremacists like they have been for centuries?

I thought that you East asians hate each other, why are you so frendly?

对了为了让你们搞清楚谁是真的西班牙朋友谁是外国LARPer我愿意在/sino/当namefag

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>>76247262
do not listen to the lies of the great satan

>>76247318
>Vietnam
What?How do they even afford going to trips in China, i thought that they where poor like indonesians.

>>76247262
For average people in China/Japan/Korea, they indeed have negative opinions on each others, but no need bring the hatred here because it's already everywhere. In addition, real japanese and Korean rarely show up in this thread, so you can't say we are exactly friendly

>>76247293
其实大家已经可以从说话方式分辨出你和那位murrican了 不过勇气可嘉;-)

>>76247371
Are you serious mate? Go look at a world map

>>76245102
This

Simplified is just making formal all the shortcuts already used in traditional/classical Chinese. It shows you how "old" China was even in 1910. They didn't even have the words to express the ideas that many Chinese intellectuals felt.

>>76245868
WE WUZ KANGZ
WE WILL BE KANGZ AGAIN

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>>76247262

>>76246015
>>76246145
There are two spaniards here, and sometimes a third.

One knows chinese, I don't I'm just a hafu anon.

Stop basing your entire life off of who you think is behind the flag.

>>76242774
how does the taiwan accent sound to a mainlander?
is it something similar to scots vs standard english or are they similar enough to understand
from what i've heard of them they sound quite different

>>76247188
it's a lot easier to remember since it's still used commonly unlike words like 龘

>>76247681
a bit 嗲 desu, but it also has positive connotations

>>76247676
>There are two spaniards here
I thought you weren't Spanish though

>>76247681
camp as fuck, but easy to understand

>>76247702
I just always forget the pinyin for them :/

>>76247722
Spaniard > user with a Spanish flag to their name

>>76246308
Deng was a poor sichuan jungle village monkey

Hu was an autistic dude whose family ran a tea shop

Jiang was a poor but nerdy guy who loves theories

Mao was a peasant

Xi used to have a really good priveleged life, but then the cultural revolution happened, his dad got beat up and kicked out of the party, his sister was killed, and he got sent to countryside for 3 years to starve in a cave village.

Compared to Western democracies, the CCP is literally the party of social mobility and social equity.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ4Zd3WI_Lc

malaysian chinese not bad leh

>>76247262
Blame the Japanese

They had a WE WUZ phase and ruined East Asia

>>76247830
>our naj

>>76247830
cringe desu

>>76247722
I'm the non-spaniard

There is you, who knows Chinese really well (so cool honestly I am jealous) and some other spaniard who sometimes posts here. He is from Barcelona so probably some catalan.

>>76247830
this looks like a japanese game show

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>>76247702
>asians have to write this

>>76247623
We actualy wuz kangs at some point see pic at>>76246574
2 times as welthy as average spaniard, and now after Ivan liberation Spain is laughing about us, i feel like shit.

>>76247905
>>76247925
>>76247961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5jkpey6Ce8
we have the best chinese nobody does chinese better than us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHyZlQEGW0E

>>76247830
already sounds like a different language for me

>>76247891
>Ruined east asia
How though?Chinks united against comon threat, while before that they where in civil war.And japs losing ww2 made them into economic superpower, if you ask me if you don't take in count millions of deaths east asia won from ww2.

>>76248026
>1938
>the only time Latvians were ahead of us was while were were in the second year of a civil war

Breddy cool bro

Who's in the wrong, /sino/?

《6月以来Steam经常打不开,也许是某些鉴赏家的缘故》
http://www.chuapp.com/article/283380.html

I mean, obviously ultimately CPC is the big bad here, but is it morally accepted for those HK group managers to deliberately deny mainland users' access to steam store, knowing very well that mainland users' protest against GFW will never come to fruition?

>>76248026
Dude spain was getting LIBERATED in 1936-1939

Not to mention that Spain had no international recognition from 1930-1955. It was like North Korea but less communist

>>76248077
half of it is Hokkien same with second video here >>76248047

>>76247793
>his dad got beat up and kicked out of the party, his sister was killed, and he got sent to countryside for 3 years to starve in a cave village.
wew

>>76248047
Which station was this shown again or was it Astro exclusive?

>>76248205
nvm , I'm an idiot

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>>76248174
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/25/world/asia/xi-jinping-china-cultural-revolution.html

None of the leaders of the party have had easy lives. Deng, Xi, and Mao least of all.

>>76248096
rip, especially since supposedly the steam summer sale starts in like 23 or 24

>>76248169
I kind of feel bad for bursting his bubble, he probably felt so proud of Glorious Latvia. The only way to make his country look good is to compare it to a warzone whose industry and infrastructure was being bombed to the ground.

>>76246709
>old chinese woman asks me: 你姓什么
>i stutter in confusion
>she laughs
ENOUGH

>>76248080
>Chinks united
Kek

Japan ruined East Asia. CCP, LDP, Saenuri party have only made it worse. USA influence is cancerous as well of course.

>>76248301
>USA influence is cancerous as well of course

Gee it is so obvious when you compare NK/SK or China/Japan amirite?

>>76248047
https://youtu.be/kt2f35aH_Lc?t=5m12s

>mfw listening to Mandarin news reports

>>76248352
Commies like China and Vietnam have both been able to kick their economies into gear, NK has no excuse really

>>76248082
1938 was only 20 years since we gained our independance and started to develop as a nation, also we where not only richer then you but a lot of nations in europe thet where not in civil war.

>>76248567
Sanctions, and crazy leader.

>>76248296
I would assume she probably had no malicious intent, but then again you know how much of an ass old chinese ladies can be

>>76248352
Communism is a helluva drug

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>>76247293
同namefag
是一半日本的那个人吗?

>>76248296
>old japanese man asks for road
>i stutter because it's first time there
>he laughs
>asks where I'm from
>china
>FUCKING CHINK LEARN JAPANESE
>leaves in anger
JUST

>>76248935
>是一半日本的那个人吗?
不是啊,据我所知那个住在西班牙的日本混血压根就没学汉语,我是纯西班牙人

对了换个话题一会儿我要问像我学过中国话的老外:你们回国以后会不会跟华人用汉语?我记得我刚刚回国的时候呀,几年前,我还是会偶尔在中国饭馆商店用中国话,不过我总是感到有点尴尬,可能是因为对我来说这有点像咱老外在那边的时候人家总是要跟我们练习英语,讨厌死了哈哈反正我最近大概不会用了,结果我的汉语逐渐开始变乱了有点怕早晚要把整个给忘了,你们说该怎么办呢

while I was living in shanghai , old chinese people always talked to me in chinese ,seems they didnt realize I was a foreigner, meanwhile young people inmediately knew I was not a chinese

>>76249241
Maybe old people could only speak chinese? They probably don't know a lot of foreigners too

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>>76249136
因为这个串里面有个智障西班牙,日本西班牙(新闻担当)还有你所以分不清楚
抱歉了

>>76249241
it's a prove that you got the sacred Amerindian heritage so that the old Chinese can't tell you apart from his countrymen

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>>76249510
我偶尔会装傻子可是只是为了逗个闷儿而已,现在我要认真地为人民effortpost

>>76250027
I hate dealing with chinese bussiness man, so much fucking drinking

>>76249136
感觉要是你没有工作需求 就没必要勉强自己去讲中文

>>76250063
the thing I hate about dealing with chinese businessmen its that they usually promise things they can not do, I mean they lie about their abilities
for example most chinese traders , factories always say to me they want to be my purchasing agent in china, then I ask if they can export goods to overseas, they say yes, we can, later I discover they lack of the export license necessary to do the export papers
this has happened to me like 50 times

Pretty rude nobody (You)'d my dank meme

>>76250617
>>76242899
too dank for me to understand

>>76247994
You just need to remember how to write 龍.

>>76250337
因为一般西方人以为中文太难学,对没有“中国脸”的人来说用中文的工作很难找,恐怕这是无奈的

>>76242774
Ching chang ching china

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>>76250372
why don't you just order off alibaba peru

>>76251081
alibaba is for newbies , and their high prices comes from trader companies rather than real factories ,
新客户使用阿里巴巴, 那网站有很贵价格, 那些货物价格是贸易公司的价格不是厂家价格

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HongKong>Singapore>Japan>Korea>Taiwan>China>NK
Desu

>>76251476
>shitkong
>fagapoor

hey /sino/
your thoughts on latino music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JJvrhmX4gY

>>76251463
>>76251463
peru going directly to the source & finding your own factory is a pain in the ass and an arduous task though peru. don't you agree peru? peru is it worth to save a few dollars peru? do the traders on ali charge an exorbitant amount of money and fuck you over peru?

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晚安/sino/

>>76251476
>Korea higher than anything

>>76249121
你的日语应该是母语级的啊,告诉他你的出生地就好了啊

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>>76253623
Korea is great

>>76253811
is that korean idol girl#18451? dude I love her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-J16KihNBo

I want to fuck the Indonesian
(the rest too, just not the whiteys)

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>>76253623
No Taiwan No. 1

>>76251017
会中文的少 不就是你的优势吗
长得不一样可能不是很大的问题吧
或者自己想办法做下副业也行,比如,面向中文圈朋友们的youtuber等等

>>76253922
Did you ever get to sniff the crocs of any Taiwanese qts, or sniff their sweaty soles after a long hot and steamy Taiwanese spring day

>>76247681
>how does the taiwan accent sound to a mainlander?
From what I've been told, it sounds feminine. Personally I prefer the taiwanese accent, but I'm biased because I studied there.

>>76249121
A guy once asked me 你是台灣人嗎? when I was on the bus. I'm white with blonde hair and blue eyes. Felt pretty weird.

反革命政治事件在天安门广场:

报社记者和“人民日报”工作人员报导。

前几天,在清明节纪念周总理的幌子下,少数阶级的敌人在首都天安门广场开始了有组织,有预谋的计划的反革命事件。他们公然作出反动的演讲,写了反动诗和口号,散发了反动小册子,并鼓励创建反革命组织。通过使用暗示和明确的反革命语言,他们粗暴地宣布“秦始皇时代已经走了”。他们大力攻击我们毛主席毛泽东,试图分裂毛主席领导的党中央,试图扭转目前批评邓小平斗争的方向,从事反革命活动。该反革命活动达到了高潮4月5日。大约在上午8:00,从公安局扬声器汽车被推翻,汽车的车身和它的扬声器砸了。上午9时多,有超过一万人聚集在人民大会堂前面。在它的最大强度,在天安门广场的人群人数约为10万人。除了一些试图造成麻烦的坏元素外,大多数人群都是和平的,只想看看发生了什么。有一些人聚集在人民英雄纪念碑,其中大多数是在广场西侧,人民的人民大会堂东大门附近。十几个年轻人被一些不好的元素殴打,他们的头部受到割伤和瘀伤,血液滴在肿胀的脸上。流氓大声喊道:“打死他们!打死他们!”一个说服流氓流氓的军警,他的徽章被撕下,他的制服被撕破,他的脸被殴打。

少数不好的元素喊道:“谁能把这种情况控制在内,中央没有人可以,如果今天有人来,他们不会回来的。”他们的极端反革命气焰激怒了群众,许多人说:“自从解放后,天安门广场一直在那里毛主席回顾了革命群众游行的地方。我们当然不会让这里的任何反革命行为。”数百名民兵走上通往人民大会堂的台阶,被流氓分成几个部分。流氓反复喊反动的口号,残暴地打击了反对他们的人群中的任何人。被殴打的人被拖到纪念碑,被迫“承认罪”。上午11:05,很多人在天安门广场东侧走向中国历史博物馆。

在博物馆前面,一名女子前来劝说流氓黑社会,她立即被处理。在这个时刻,一群坏人围困在广场东南角的钟楼附近的一个人民解放军军营。他们砸毁大门,闯入大楼,并占领它。一些坏的元素,穿着船员切割,轮流煽动人民,通过扩音器喊叫,直到他们嘶哑。中午12点,一些捣乱者宣布其所谓的就职典礼“首善之区的人民委员会为纪念总理。”一个坏的元素戴眼镜却厚颜无耻地宣布,公安局必须在10分钟之内给予答复。他宣称,他们将粉碎的安全部门,如果他们的要求得不到满足。下午十二时三十分,天安门广场解放军战机在兵营方面进军,保卫兵力。引起骚乱的流氓大声喊叫“人民军队应该站在人民身边!”后来,他们推翻了上海轿车,并放火烧了。来救援的消防员和解放军卫兵被拦截,消防车辆遭到破坏。流氓说:“火熄灭意味着抑制群众运动”。几名消防员被殴打成纸浆。下午12:45,人民警察支队赶到增援。然而,他们也被奚落和停止。几名警察的帽子被暴徒夺走,被扔进空中。一些流氓甚至在人们的警察投掷刀和匕首。几名警察被抓获,并遭到殴打。下午,坏事的破坏活动变得更加疯狂。他们焚烧四辆汽车向当值工作人员或属于公安局的民兵提供食水。

>>76254485
The one who said "It's for revolution" earlier, the one win

下午5:00,这伙坏人再次闯进军营,绑架,殴打哨兵,打破了门窗在一楼,并在房间洗劫一空一切。收音机,被子,床单,衣物和书籍都被这伙反革命分子扔进火堆。他们还捣毁和烧毁属于北京工民族的数十辆自行车。在反革命宣言的合唱中,黑烟弥漫在天空之中。军营中的大多数窗户都被打破了。然后,他们放火焚烧了军营。革命群众对反革命政治事件表示极大的仇恨。尽管如此,坏分子得意地说:“这体现了群众的力量。”他们甚至说“情况已经失控了,即使是一个军队也不能阻止我们”。看到这些反革命分子,采用极端腐朽,反动的语言和暗示的把戏,如何恶毒的攻击和诋毁我们伟大领袖毛主席和中央其他同志。

恶魔们哭泣,因为我们清除了我们的悲伤,
我们哭了,但狼哈哈大笑,
我们流血记忆英雄,
提高我们的头,我们把我们的剑。
中国已不再是昔日的中国,
人民不再愚昧,
秦始皇的封建社会是走了,
我们相信马克思列宁主义,
打倒那些谁阉割了马克思列宁主义的学者,
我们要真正的马克思列宁主义,
为了真正的马克思列宁主义,
我们不怕洒我们的鲜血还是放弃了我们的生活,
当在四个领域的现代化,是实现这一天,
我们将返回献祭和献祭。

这些反革命党人反对“秦始皇”,要求“真正的马列主义”的煽动者,就像林彪反革命政变计划 - “计划571纲要”所使用的语言相似的反革命激动。这些反革命分子通过指挥我们伟大的毛主席毛主席,赞扬邓小平反革命修宪议程,揭示了他们在中国实行修正主义和恢复资本主义的犯罪计划。在过去的几天里,这些鼓动者不仅写了反动诗,他们竖起了反动的海报。他们赞扬邓小平,并提名他担任匈牙利反革命事件首领Imre Nagy的角色。他们说废话,说:“邓小平负责中央的工作,这场斗争取得了决定性的胜利,使全国人民感到非常满意。他们说出了愚蠢的诽谤,他说:“最近的反右偏移斗争是少数几个野蛮人企图反对正确判决的行动。”他们的反革命气焰被膨胀到了极点。

但是,这些反革命分子猖獗的时刻恰逢其垮台之日。违背人民的意志,他们都非常孤立。虽然这些煽动者制造了骚乱,暴力和破坏行为参与,许多革命人民勇敢地走上前去谴责他们的反革命行为,并努力反对他们。北京工人民警,广场上的人民警察和军队守卫,当时的当地革命人士紧密合作,勇敢地为毛主席,人民中央,毛主席革命议程, 伟大的祖国祖国。当流氓下午5:00再次放火烧了军营,陆军警卫冒着生命危险将大火扑灭。

100多名北京民兵受伤,试图维护人民大会堂,其中十几人受重伤。尽管有危险,人民警察也坚持不懈。六名军警卫被绑架,多人受伤。虽然军营被围困,火灾吞没在一楼,北京工民兵指挥部领导同志在二楼的斗争中坚持不懈。在这个关键时刻,总机接线员冷静地报道了这一消息向媒体局。

下午六点半,吴德同志的演讲播出后,大部分旁观者和群众被迅速分散。然而,少数的鼓动者继续他们的绝望抗拒,再次在人民英雄纪念碑上张贴了反动诗。三个小时后,北京市革命委员会下令,数万名民兵与人民警察和解放军卫队协调工作采取坚决措施,严格执行无产阶级专政。高昂的士气,英勇的北京民兵进入天安门广场,发动强大的反击。他们围着仍然在人民英雄纪念碑附近造成骚乱和犯罪行为的流氓。他们拘留了活跃的罪犯和主要嫌犯。面对这样强大的无产阶级专政,少数暴徒竟然不能忍受一击。他们跪下,颤抖像流浪狗。他们中的一些人迅速投降了他们用来写下反动诗的匕首,刀和纸。一些不法分子竟试图拿出匕首在战斗徒劳的尝试,他们收到当场相应的处罚。
全社会革命群众和人民群众支持和赞扬北京民兵,人民警察,解放军卫队的革命行动。

>>76254728
>>76254688
>>76254631
>>76254588
Nice commie shit garbage propaganda.

>>76254361
rip, you got dem chink genes in you, short height and small dicks will haunt your bloodline for generations to come

>>76254824
I'm fairly sure the CCP pretty much acts like everything pre-1978 never happened. History texts pretty much just go something like this:

>the heroic people's army smashed the Japanese imperialists and KMT fascists
>Chairman Mao proclaimed Chinese people are standing up October 1, 1949
>The Gang of Four and Lin Biao misled Chairman Mao and...bad stuff happened or something
>Chairman Mao died
>The Gang of Four were smashed
>China became strong under correct line of Deng Xiaoping
>long live socialism with Chinese characteristics!

>>76247793
Most of the CCP founders really weren't peasants, they were at least middle class. Mao Zedong's family owned a fairly large estate and were far from being dirt farmers. It was mostly a bunch of university students who went to Western cunts for an education.

>>76254878
Top kek

>>76254122
no
didn't smell any croc feet, desu only weirdos wear crocs
but i gave my GF's smelly summerfeet a sniffing

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this books says that Xi Jiping was a mishu (秘书)of Jiang Zemin
Xi belongs to the shanghai gang
Xi also belongs to a sector of chinese politicans called the pro - elite , this group prefers to support the coastal cities rather than the interior
the other group called the populist coalition whose members are Hu Jintao, Li Keqiang, etc they support the development of interior cities in china

>>76255841
They also purged Bo Xilai who was gaining support among the poor inland folk.

>>76251691
what are those scribbles at the end`

>>76256121
the pleasure of being cummed inside

>>76255293
Take for example the May 5, 1919 movement. Those were all college kids who had various edgy ideas to modernize China and many of them including Zhou Enlai and Deng Xiaoping studied in the West afterwards.

>>76255293
mao was a peasant, sorry well to do peasant but still a peasant, none of his family was merchant or mandarin class

>>76257507
>Zhou Enlai
japan

>almost 11 months of study
>still can't quite listen fluently

>>76257961
You should sit down at your local McDonald's (without buying anything) and pretend to copy characters for a few hours. I hear it's a foolproof method to rapidly improve your Mandarin.

>>76259779
no thanks ill just keep watching videos of qts speaking mandarin

i'm trying to get fluent im not trying to learn to autistically write 4000 useless characters

>>76255081
The Chinese Museum of History, in the section on modern history, has one tiny little section somewhere in the back that mentions the Cultural Revolution, and there's one placard or something there with about three sentences on it. That's it. Ironically they allowed more open discussion about the Cultural Revolution in the 80s than they do today.

>>76260208
In all seriousness though, learn to write. And learn to write by hand. Anyone who tells you otherwise is harming your progress and likely a failure himself.

t. guy who passed hsk 6 twice

>>76260586
Neah, I'll probably be at 99% listening comprehension in 200-300 more hours of study, it would be retarded to waste it learning to handwrite instead.

>t. guy who passed hsk 6 twice

HSK is a joke.

>>76260993
if it's a joke why can't you pass it?
hmmmmm

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Who has collapsed more times?

>>76260376
I thought they released a big statement on the 50th anniversary acknowledging that "mistakes were made in the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution". Actually they did.

>>76255293
Mao was 100% a peasant
Just because his family owned a plot of land doesn't change that.

Also, Deng was 100% a poorfag peasant

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>>76251476
>hell joseon

>>76243045
蜜 Is a loanword I think

From Tocharian maybe.

>>76261537
Because I haven't even studied for a year obviously. It seems easier than the N1 in Japanese though and the N1 is kind of a joke too.

>>76262091
looks like we have another prodigy here

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>>76262025
Unironically though, this really makes me sad

I lived in Korea in 2003 and 2004. Things felt so much more optimistic back then and the five party talks were making progress, the US military moved its forces behind the Han River, the economy was booming, there actually was a legitimate democracy, etc. Now all young koreans kill themselves or lock themselves in their rooms.

Damn I miss those days.

>>76260376
All those disastrous campaigns started by Mao have always posed a sticky problem for the CCP since Deng Xiaoping didn't outright discredit him the way Khrushchev discredited Stalin. It was pretty obvious that Deng and his faction had no use for Mao and considered him a loose cannon who brought the country to grief several times (not to mention how much they personally suffered from the Cultural Revolution) but they couldn't outright dump him overboard because to do so would be to call the party's very legitimacy into question.

So they've always just held that Mao was "a great revolutionary leader and teacher who made some serious mistakes and the Cultural Revolution was really the fault of his wife and Lin Biao" or some shit like that.

>>76260993
>HSK is a joke.
Kek, I see you've got the right attitude, good luck genius

>>76262122
It's not really that it's easy when starting from scratch. Obviously it still takes a lot of study to get to. It's just that it's still insanely far from native fluency, so using it to try to claim you're a master is dumb. If you use HSK6 to prove your Chinese skill, you aren't saying you are good at Chinese. You're saying you're only HSK6. It's like bragging about having an IQ above 100.

>>76262363
There's still a few commie edgelords in China and the party is careful to not let them get any attention, Bo Xilai was purged for advocating Maoist revivalism.

>>76262541
>It's just that it's still insanely far from native fluency
No exam certifies native fluency for that matter, they're just a way of weeding out lazy jokers like yourself. I've seen 'em come and I've seen 'em go during my time in China, and people like yourself never got anywhere

>>76262731
>lazy
Lol, having a goal above B2 makes me lazy?

>>76261743
The chinese never collapsed, they just had rough changes of government.

I'm an occasional vaper. I've ordered juice from china in the past, and I noticed it was always marked as "fragrance" or "flavor concentrate" on the shipping bill. My friend in the US makes his own juice and I really want to try some of that because the china flavors were all really bad.
I've googled and met mixed results about whether or not it's legal in Taiwan. I absolutely do not want to end up in any trouble trying to import stuff, but also don't want my friend to have any issues about improperly marking items he's shipping to me (he'd ship via UPS if that matters).
One thing we're thinking is that if the legal technicality hangs on nicotine, he could do the juices with zero nicotine and I could take care of that myself later on.
Thanks!
P.S. I have seen people using vapes on the street and seen them sold at night markets, etc, but it doesn't hurt to be extra cautious. I'd rather deal with bad flavors or just not vape than end up with some crazy blown up issue like trying to smuggle contraband (since it's coming from overseas, could end up being a nightmare in a worst case scenario).

>>76262803
>lulz I don't need to write I can type fuck whatever benefits it may have on my learning I just wanna talk
>others are lazy

whatevs, I was just trying to give you some advice as someone who made it but I guess you have it all figured out

>>76263761
>made it
>hsk6
there you go again

you're stuck at B2 so hard that you even took it twice

I guess handwriting is what you need to make yourself feel better about the fact that you will never be fluent.

>>76263819
>made it
>hsk6

No dumbfuck, made it as someone who lived years there and can read, write and have a fluent conversation at a high level

>>76263849
Well congrats? Too bad you had to live there for years to do it.

I really don't get why you obsess about writing though. It helps no other skills (I have no problem reading hanzi) and is completely useless if you aren't living there. Its only purpose is fellating yourself.

I'm here trying to get to fluent in listening/speaking as fast as possible and you're recommending I go waste my time instead just so you can feel better about your several hundred hours of masturbation. Fuck off.

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>>76263819
how about you pass HSK6 first and then start talking shit bud how bout da

you might think you're all cool with your spoonfed chinese anki deck but the reality is you wouldn't even pass HSK1 at this time
so keep jerking it to your shitty historical dramas while never progressing past the stage of a shitposting knowitall

>>76264145
Kek, I was trying to give you some good advice based on my experience but you had to get all pissy about it. Good luck anon!

>>76264235
>good advice
I wasn't asking for advice, especially from the type of person who needs to live in a foreign country to learn their language.

>>76264362
bud pass hsk6 first and then you can come back if you want to

>During the Cultural Revolution, artistic freedom was all-but wiped out of existence, subverted to the handful of repulsive "model revolutionary operas" and movies of Jiang Qing. In 1977, the first year following Mao Zedong's death and the downfall of the Gang of Four, just five feature films were approved for release. As such, Chinese people became used to viewing the same few movies over and over.

>The revised doctrines on artistic expression issued by the Party following the 10th Congress state that "During the reign of the Gang of Four, lies and falsehoods were promulgated. Countless good artists and writers were persecuted. People were not permitted to seek the truth from facts. The people must not be told to believe blindly, they need to separate what is factual from the facts. Nonetheless, there are many artists who take advantage of their medium to express nihilistic and antisocial ideas that undermine the morale of the people and faith in socialism and the Party. These artists must not make such errors, and if so they will need to repent of their erroneous ways instead of blindly following down a destructive path."

>These doctrines represented a quantum leap over the situation during the Cultural Revolution, nonetheless they are completely consistent with traditional Maoist doctrines on the role of the state in the arts.

>>76264916
>The new Constitution, which was introduced at the 10th Congress and enacted early in 1978, is a classic example of hypocrisy. Communist countries have some of the most beautiful, elaborately worded constitutions in the world, although in practice they are scarcely worth the paper they're written on. For example, the Constitution of the PRC (which in practice changes every week as political conditions dictate) proclaims to allow freedom of speech, then adds an escape clause stating that freedom of speech does not include questioning the right of the CCP to rule the country. A few paragraphs down, it then grants citizens the right to erect dazhibao (wall posters) and even quotes Chairman Mao on the matter. After the Democracy Wall Campaign in 1979, the clause in the Constitution allowing the erection of dazhibao was quickly deleted.

>>76264452
Don't pay attention to him, losers like him are dime a dozen among Mandarin learners

>>76264452
Sure, but I'm pretty sure learning to handwrite won't really help with that would it.

I guess I offended you with the HSK comments but really just handwritingfags piss me off. They learn a useless skill then spend all their time trying to convince other people that it's the most important thing ever.

>being scared of handwriting

typical non-HSK poster

>>76266628
Come back when you can speak like a native and don't need to rely on a B2 level test to prove your skill.

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activated my neurons

>>76266749
what's your autistic obsession with hsk6 being b2?
you're not even a1
so come back when you have reached b2 and then we can start talking
(you never will)

wow

https://imgur.com/a/iwRmT

>>76267621
>what's your autistic obsession with hsk6 being b2?
It is though, is it not?

>you're not even a1
Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you aren't stupid enough to actually think that's true, why you say it as if you think you will actually hurt my feelings?

Why are you so defensive about the HSK anyway?

>>76267954
Because he is a footkraut who feeds on posting dumb shit.

Can you put the stuff you learned into practice btw?

>>76267954
You're not a1
You can't even write
Grinding anki isn't learning a language

>>76268084
What do you mean? Like I'm consistently getting better but I'm still not where I want to be. Still definitely in intermediate hell where I can't really fully comprehend most things without a transcript/subtitles and still regularly encounter new vocabulary, but I have relatively good listening comprehension for my level since I've spent tons of time listening to random stuff.

At least Chinesepod things are starting to become pretty easy and I can kinda follow along with VoA podcasts, so I've got that going for me.

I have studied chinese at Fudan university (shanghai) for a year, my classmates where from tokyo university , seoul university, New york university, polytechnique ecole paris, siberia novosibirsk university, really smart people
I dont even know how I was accepted to Fudan, I guess my jewish last name helped me again.
all the power of the jewry, Im more realated to Jesus, zuckerberg, the guys from google and Einstein than to you
well, anyways I wanted to study chinese because Im involved on international trade, but during al the first semester at Fudan I didnt learned any single word related to trade, I needed to study those by my own. for example the word 集装箱 (container).
during the first semester I did pretty well, Im so surprised that I was better than people from top universities around the world.
at the second semester I failed because besides studying I was busy making deals and dealing with greddy chinks.

>>76245108
I know this article, it's very accurate, in my opinion.

>>76251017
其实西班牙还有很多来自浙江的diaspora,所以会说华语的“西班牙人”也不少

>>76248096
早就看不慣尬膜的人了

So, why learn (or at least try) Mandarin?

>>76270482
I couldn't think of a reason either

>>76260586
Why learn to write? I touch type already, is writing that necessary (apart from for learning the composition of characters)

>>76264362
try not living in China and getting to his or my ability of Chinese jfc

>>76270482
It depends on your main reason, but I wouldn't bother, honestly. I started learning Mandarin several years ago and I still strive with reading newspapers etc. I started learning your language several months ago and I can easily watch news programs like Jornal National. Ergo - better learn 3-4 Indo-European languages instead of Chinese. If you really need something exotic for lulz, then start learning Malay/Indonesian.

>>76271197
>I can easily watch news programs like Jornal National
Your honesty opinion on William Bonner

>then start learning Malay/Indonesian.
Any reason for these in specific?

>>76271254
Bahasa is easy as shit (at least compared to East Asian languages), although its usefulness is limited, especially as a lot of the Malaysian/Indonesian-speaking population also speak English and/or Mandarin

>>76270634
正直彼の中国語がどの程度かは俺にはわからないけど、少なくとも無理じゃないと思うよ
日本語ならアメリカに住みながらこんな感じになったからさ
間違いはあるかもしれないけど、それでもそんなに悪くないだろ?

日本語が可能だけど中国語は無理というのは信じにくい

>>76271341
I'm not Japanese, 同学

I'm the Ausfag who's travelling in China atm

>>76271254
>Any reason for these in specific?
It's very easy, no tenses, genders, cases, verb inflections, plurals created by reduplication, or not used etc. etc.

>Your honesty opinion on William Bonner
Well, I watch it only for their perfect stream, Rede Record doesn't have the same sound/video quality. I also heard that BR Portuguese used by JN anchors is regarded by some people as classy.

>>76271403
那我用中文说
其实我不知道你们的中文怎么样
但是我没有住在日本还可以说日语说的还不错
我根本不认为学习一门语言一定要住在那个地方
既然在美国还可以说日语,中文也应该可以在国外学习的

Now that I've actually tried to type chinese you can feel free to laugh at me. Some things had to be changed since my chinese is way worse than my japanese but the idea is the same.

>>76271293
>although its usefulness is limited, especially as a lot of the Malaysian/Indonesian-speaking population also speak English and/or Mandarin
I meant - if he likes learning exotic languages as a hobby - in this case Indonesian is the best first choice, at least I would do it, but I invested too much time and effort in Mandarin. Also - it's not that I will have any opportunity to use Mandarin in Poland, so it's not that much better than Indonesian in this regard. I think that it's also the case in Brazil.

Tesla is going to build a new plant in China! Going to slaughter all the native chinese EV companies. Goodbye BYD.

>>76271671
Are Malay and Indonesian very different?

>>76271626
I've lived here for a bit under 3 years and attained near-conversational fluency (and my reading and writing is very good), 墨声哥同学 has most likely spent a longer time here and I have and has a really high literacy level. Of all the Chinese learners I've met, the ones with the best language ability (in all 4 areas, not just listening/speaking) are the ones who've lived/studied in China, especially those who made an effort to mix with local people rather than just spending time with people who speak their native language.

And why would I laugh at you? I just think your claims of in-country learning being redundant to be ill-informed, otherwise I think it's really impressive that you're learning (and seems like your 狗语 is really good as well!) ~ 你学习加油吧!

>>76271671
>it's not that I will have any opportunity to use Mandarin in Poland
What, you don't have a tourism industry?

>>76271923
Like BR vs EU Portuguese, I think. It's basically one pluricentric language.

Just one remark - I'm not saying "don't learn Chinese", but if you choose Mandarin then you must know what are the downsides, just read this article posted by some Austranon ITT:
http://pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html

>>76272108
that Ausnon's anecdote is hardly an accurate representation of the experiences of most expats

>>76272065
>What, you don't have a tourism industry?
We have, but Chinese people are very rare here. Those who live here, like students, learn our language or at least speak some English.

>>76272221
>Those who live here, like students, learn our language or at least speak some English.
But you can still talk with them in Chinese, whilst they speak Polish. It's mutually beneficial

http://www.baka.com.au/world/us-student-otto-warmbier-who-returned-from-north-korea-in-coma-has-died-20170619-gwufn4.html

for anyone who missed it, whiteboii died :(

>>76272065
Thanks. And I definitely think living in the country helps in many ways, but at the same time I think study is study. If you live in China, have chinese friends, and work in Chinese, then you are getting 10+ hours of study a day, and that's what makes it so useful. If you live in China, teach English, and all your friends are either foreigners or just want to learn English then you could be getting almost no study in which case you could easily do better outside China. The other benefit is just that it's easier to be more balanced between the skills if you are in the country since it can be a pain to set up phone calls on hellotalk and shadowing is kind of annoying to do. If you're studying alone it's easy to have your reading much better than your listening which is much better than your speaking.

>>76272337
I'm trying, but my Chinese is still very poor, like I can barely read news articles. On the other hand, I treat it as a hobby, so I don't feel any pressure. I study regularly so I should "get there" in 2 or 3 years.

>>76272216
I mean that this article is very accurate for me, as for someone who didn't study in China (I think that this is what Brazanon meant - that he wants to study in his country, but I may be wrong). I even recognize the same experiences - for example he writes that he met some highly educated Chinese people who didn't know how to write "dapenti" and one of my (native) Chinese teachers used to forget basic words like "pingzi" or "shuijiao".

http://bbs.tianya.cn/post-feeling-3777857-1.shtml

is it just me or are Chinese men more socially regressive than women? Talking with male and female peers about issues such as sex, marriage, philosophy and culture, I've my female peers are almost without exception more liberally-minded on these issues; has anyone else had similar experiences?

inb4 "我们都是宅男 从没和女人说过话" 囧

>>76242774
China best ally, DEATH TO THE EU IMPERIALISTS

>>76273476
Fuck off Zhang, China only wants to control Greece through debt

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what word do you use in mandarin to say anchovies? is 鯷魚 correct?

>>76273495
Go fuck yourself imperialist pig

>>76273437
article related, forgot to mention
>我问过的女人最少有50以上,没有一个说是的。而且大部分都还嘲笑我说:哟,你还有处女情结啊。
I admire LZ's honesty, but his views are so regressive, and he seems unable to identify that

>>76272406
It's definitely down to what you make of it; I've met people in Shanghai who've lived there for 10+ years and can't speak a single word. But those who are 混合ing more will benefit immensely. Out of 4 months of intense study at 浙大 and 4 months of travel in regional China, I definitely learnt more from the latter due to being immersed in the language environment and having to problem solve in real time ("how do I communicate that my luggage has been stolen by Mongolian traders" etc.)

>>76273476
welcome, Yiros-making friend

>>76273523
没错 ~ also called 江鱼仔 and 小公鱼

Wikipedia is your friend: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%B3%80%E7%A7%91

>>76273569
I should add, other people have different experiences though; some people need the structured environment of a classroom to learn, and others aren't 主动 enough to benefit from complete language immersion

>>76273523
I saw this yesterday
https://youtu.be/2ypYACIjA6Y?t=532

>>76273811
hmm 4chan killed the timestamp so skip to 8:52

>>76273832
>食材必须flesh
>西餐都是measuring fish

how can you watch this tripe

>>76273960
oh my bad it was intentional /捂脸

大家好 我是在加州念书的学生

>>76274191
您好,
我有一个问题
什么时候你看一个白人跟中国女朋友就你觉得什么?

>>76274286
peru what are you doing

>>76274286
>什么时候你看一个白人跟中国女朋友就你觉得什么?
peru i thought you had studied the chinaman tongue at an institution thanks to your jewish lastname or something. peru you said you had beaten top students from other universities. peru why does your chinese suck. peru why is your chinese a word-for-word translation of the spanish. peru

>>76273437
>I've my female peers are almost without exception more liberally-minded on these issues
This makes sense. because in terms of the issues you mentioned, females are the oppressed. It's quite normal for the oppressed to be more progressive than those vested interests such as proletariat tend to be more left on economic issues than bourgeois. And also the western entered post-capitalist era earlier than China and has already undergone sex liberation in 1960s and 70s. Indeed, there are some gender equality movement in mao era, but the result of this kind of movement was only the liberation of female labor force instead of truly gender equality, many obsolete concepts remained unchanged like the virginity issue you mentioned.
I personally have similar experiences with you, but not about the guys around me

你们哦

>>76274344
难道不是一个人吗

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>>76274319
>>76274344
implying that chinese I have wrote was not enough to surpass top students from top universities

>>76274400
True, but even on issues unrelated to gender, like 民族主义 and racism (within China). Also spot on analysis of the Mao era, my professor is always complaining about those labelling Mao as a feminist, and it's for the exact reasons you mentioned

>>76274476
TIL Peru's top universities can't teach students how to structure a basic sentence properly

>>76274476
Sad if true.

>>76274497
>TIL Peru's top universities can't teach students how to structure a basic sentence properly
Peru says he studied at Fudan University, Shanghai.

>>76274537
smells like blow cow to me

>>76274497
>>76274537
I stopped studying chinese since 2015, ofc I have forgot some words, grammar

but I still satisfied with my chinese level, for example right now Im talking with a logistics company from shenzhen

chink
还有,提单,你是采用电放形式还是正本文件提单给你
chink10:16:53 p.m.
电放形式你做过吗?就是发邮件给船公司电子文件形式,不用文本文件给你
Peru 10:21:06 p.m.
你可以发我都文件用邮报
chink 10:23:47 p.m.
我给一个电放形式的文件,你看看,是不是这种

>>76274699
>ofc I have forgot some words, grammar
>I have forgot some words, grammar
>I have forgot grammar
>forgot grammar

>conversation
that's hardly legible, 你这样的话还不如讲英语让对方自动翻译呢 笑死我了

>>76274497
>True, but even on issues unrelated to gender, like 民族主义 and racism (within China)
I guess this is universal among all countries, remember the picture of /pol/tard meetup that the hafu posted the other day, almost all of them are male, nationalism, ethnocentrism, racism is somewhat related to male chauvinism or something according to psychoanalysis school IIRC. But I have to say that Chinese is indeed more nationalistic and racist than westerner. Someone compares China to Germany in the late 19th century, I think this explain well why

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>>76274476

peru? are you being naughty today?

>>76274537
复大 has language courses up to above HSK 6

Peru would be lucky to pass HSK 2 with that level of grammar

as I said before, blow cow as fuck

>>76274774
hmm, that's true too

would be worth looking at if there's any literature written about this (specifically related to China)

I'm sure there's a lot written about male chauvinism, but not sure about feminism in China etc.

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在中国日益增长的民族主义。外国人来中国应该停止。中国人真的厌倦了堕落和失败的外国人。