Sooo much wasted potential.

Why don't you just secede?

New Sudan

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We might aswell just ally with switzerland and let the rest to rot.

>>76228009
That would make you the South Italy of Switzerland.

How powerful would a Northern Italy state actually be?

>>76226375
But then we would feel alone

>>76228097
less powerful than Belgium realistically

>>76226340
Gib back Südtirol.

>>76226340
is it true that northern italians are Germ*n?

>>76228133
give back north tyrol first

>>76228152
lmao

>>76228127
damn... terrones are powerful

>>76228053
It would be like being a meh fish in a big pond, if i wanted the opposite i would just move, more choice.
>>76228097
Realistically speaking, worse than now, we need to stick together and benefit from the resources each regions can provide.
>>76228127
lol no
>>76228152
Grmans are autistically serious all the time

my ancestors :)

they told me it was shit, but then again they left in 1915

>>76228127
t. Calogero Badalamenti

>>76228164
One day you are going to pay for your sins Italy.

>>76228152
Lolno

Venice and Florence should be sovereign nations again.

>>76228152
we are more pale if you mean that, but it ends there

>>76228205
sorry if we invented carbs and big bellies.

>>76228189
>>76228199
a padania state would have no means to be as or more powerful than Belgium, you can stroke your penises all you want with muh secession but that's the truth.

>>76228205
angery bacon stril

>>76228205
>he's STILL butthurt
watch out or we may come for styria next

>>76228258 I am >>76228189

Why did you quote me if we have the same opinion in the matter?

>>76228337
because you replied lol no to my belgium post

>>76228383
telecom italia, informazione gratuita: attenzione lei sta quotando post a caso, dovrebbe attendere di compiere 14 anni prima di usare un apparecchio complesso

>>76228383
I guess you're talking about me >>76228337 and not >>76228231.

We misunderstood each other. We shouldn't even compare rich belgium with a few territories that detach themselves because they hate their neighbors. In short: no, it won't get better.

>>76228463
>scrivere sta lungaggine pedante perché ho sbagliato a quotare

fatti 'na scopata

>>76228513
oh alright then

>>76228521
>letteralmente 23 parole
qualcuno dovrà studiare sodo quest' estate

>>76228615
>hurr hai spaiato a quotare!!!11
>summerfag!!!11!!!1

ma trovati 'na pischella

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Just follow my solution and you'll be fine

>>76229057
>giving back clay to A*stria

lmao funny toothpaste

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>>76229057
I can understand Sardinia fuckin off alone, but
>veneto by itself

>>76229057
>kingdoms

cuck supreme

>>76229109
What has Austria ever done to you? Poor Austria lost almost all its clay...

>>76229171
We're a kingdom too. What wrong with being a kingdom and a progressive country at the same time?

>>76229205
>Poor Austria
said no one ever

>>76229132
Veneto could be the merchant country it once was again. Perhaps it could be the gateway to southern central Europe

>>76229290
the Dutch king or queen or whatever you are is about as relevant as my calabrese neighbor, why would you want to reintroduce such a useless gimmick?

>>76229381
It could be an important factor for nation building

>>76226340

Isn't that entire region a German rapefield?

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>>76229205
Nice bait, now here's a better version (used paint because lazy)
>Corsica gib back
>Nizza gib back
>Lugano is called "Italian Switzerland" for a reason
but most importantly
>Fiume gib back

>>76229444
you have been playing too many border autism simulators

>>76228232
>>76228164
>>76228207
wierd. Northern Italians on /pol/insist that they waz Lombards n shieet

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>>76229521
>pol

>>76228116
Join France

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>>76229572

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>all these terroni trash in my thread
WASH THEM

>>76228097
>>76228127
>implying we give a shit about being powerful
we just want to be rich, hard to do that with half your country full of sandnigger rapebabbies

>>76229622
It was not a proposition.

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>>76229974
uuuuu brrrrrr scary Fronc

>>76229920
>THE TERRONI STOLE MUH GOLDZ

Again Italians trying to convince everybody that the north and the south of the country are any different so foreigners don't think that Italy is all bad.

Accept it and don't lie anymoe, you Italians, ITALY IS TERRIBLE, ALL OF IT.
Stop deceiving people, retards.

>>76230094

This. There is literally no difference between the north and south. Maybe the island of sicily sure because its not attached, but the rest is the same.

Why do northerners have such a superiority complex?

>>76230094
>>76230136
now kiss

>>76230192
small benis

>>76229508
Not really, but I'm interested in the European borders.

>>76230321
we all have been blessed with a sprinkle of ye olde autisme here don't worry

>>76229485
Why shouldn't you annex Savoy as well then?

>>76229473
zitto

>>76230015
anschluss x----DDDDDDDD

The polenta eating cucks are terrified that a swarthy young napolitano bull doesn't steal their women

>>76229381
The benefit of a monarchy is that your head of state isn't tied into your political system. You don't have to like your politicians to like your country.

>>76230511
nice try Elizabeth

>>76230547
Eh, I tried. Though to be honest I'm not all that fond of the Windsors.

>>76230571
you get to boost your spoon and commemorative tea cups industry that way though

Italy sucks, north, center and south.

Sardinia is the best though. Romania is also great.

>>76230611
>Sardinia is the best

wtf I adore argentina now

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CITY STATES FUCKING WHEN I WANT TO BE COOL LIKE MONACO OR SINGAPORE

>>76230799
If your city is in mainland italy then it sucks, regardless if it's part of italy or an independent city-state. It sucks.

>>76230799
>the city state of Barletta

wow very cool

>>76230852
Shouldn't you be busy being a Manchesterian Capitalist and turning Argentina into an Amerindian utopia instead of shitposting in every Italy-related thread, muerto de hambre?

>>76230867
I guess leeching off Northern Italy is way cooler, right Nicola?

>>76231081
>dat reading comprehension

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>>76229521

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>>76231211
>implying Salvini is a trve Longobard Germanic like our lord and savior Sizzi

>>76231211
>he's got brown eyes HE'S NOT WHTIE AHAHAHAHAHFHGHGH
terrone logic

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>>76231329
Keep telling yourself that, subhuman. I bet you also saw the sea at least once in your life

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>>76231081
>as soon as Italy is unified, proceed to dismantle all strategic factories in south italy, move them and re-assemble them in north italy because "t-t-this way we can reach germany and france more easily, I promise a-a-all of italy will benefit and not j-j-just the north"
>have literal economic colony without competition where you can vomit your shitty products and they'll buy them anyway
>the surplus from those buys and the surplus from all the southern labour gets all into the north because headquarters of your shitty industries are all there and you pay zero taxes in the south
>have like 80% of the country's GDP taxes re-invested in North Italy
>when the national government tries to give funds to the south, all the contracts get bought by northern entrepreneurs who pretend to build a factory, leave it be and take home to the north most of the money, creating the so-called "cathedrals in the desert" phenomenon
>mafiosi extort money from the population, bring it to the north and pump northern companies
>whenever someone in the south tries to destroy the mafia, the central government literally conspires with the mafiosi and murders them in cold blood
>"HURR DURR LAZY SOUTHERNERS STOP TAKING OUR MONEY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

I unironically wish the allied forced genocided all north italians in WW2

>>76231424
>strategic factories in south italy
AHAHAHAHAHAH

>>76231424
>textwalling in 2017

lol wtf

>>76231424
tl;dr: MUH GOLD

>>76231424
Reverse the directions and this is the story of my country

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>>76231453
well, back then strategic industries basically means "big factories" doing mass manufacturing instead of small non-automated shops
>>76231471
not an argument
>>76231498
certainly the Savoia used the gold from the Borbone's vault to pay their debts, but if you weren't an unintelligent northern monkey you would realise my arguments had nothing to do with that and dealt with a willfull, systemic and structural impoverishment of the south. It is even forgivable in the context of the 1800s, as economic theory wasn't as well developed back then, but finds no excuse in the "padani" unironically calling other people leeches after the whole of their economic success is exactly due to macro-economical parasitical behaviour. The same behaviour that Germany is now applying to you, which makes me orgasm incredibly, because now you are being called the subhumans not good enough to compete although macroeconomically it is literally impossible for you. How does it feel, cuck?


.>>76231499
scotsman?

>>76231598
>muh gold

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>>76231653
>northcuck ambrogino is literally incapable of speech except to parrot memes that aren't even relevant or a poignant reply to any of my points

Tell me again how much higher the north italians' IQ is senpai

>>76231711
>buttblasted terrone spamming pictures of terroni looking people

o I am laffin, and I'm not even a padano

>>76231598
>WE WUZ ARYAN GODS WITH INDUSTRIES'N SHIEET UNTIL DEM NORTHERN HONKEYS CAME AND STOLE THEM
Not even a Northener, but seeing terroni make up conspiracy theories about why they are poor and filled with crime is hilarious

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>>76231775
>people with strictly venetian surnames
>terrone
pick one and only one
>t-t-this cannot be, w-w-we cannot be non-white, w-w-e are in charge here, we wuz celtic-ayans n shieet"

>>76231856
>just told him I'm not even padano
>writes this cringefest post

il terrone signori

>>76231877
Ignoralo, probabilmente è minorenne.

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>>76231816
your problem is that you don't understand how economics work. If all the surplus from a certain region is brought to another one (due to historical, geographical or whatever other reason), and then the central government keeps giving most of the tax money to the part that is draining most of the surplus in the economy, it is inevitable that one part of the country will become poorer and poorer while the other part gets richer and richer. So much that the rich part will become incredibly entitled and develop some sort of eugenics idea that they are morally, ethically, or intellectually superior and therefore they are the sole motor for their higher GDP, whereas that is clearly not the case.
I am not making any assessment on the intrinsic quality of the individual in the north or in the south, only showing you how economics work. The south wasn't perfect before unification, but it was able to stay up on its feet. The thing that pisses me off is only this idea that the southerner is a lazy asshole because he got the short end of the stick from a macroeconomical standpoint, just like it's happening now between north italy and south germany thanks to the Euro.
But again because you lack arguments you have to strawman and make a poor and mislead caricature out me. Pathetic.
>>76231877
>if you claim on the internet that you're not padano you can say retarded things without any sort of accountability
is this the power of ambrogino education?
You can't claim those people look "terrone" for not looking like a german although they have strictly northern surnames. The fact that you are not from the north (presuming it's true) has nothing to do with your retarded statements.
>>76231907
not an argument northcuck

>>76232062
>we are criminal leeches who don't pay taxes but it's all your fault

literally nigger tier arguments there

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>>76232105
>in Italy employee labour is literally the only part of the workforce that pays taxes
>almost none of the private sector pay taxes and evade them completely
>most of the private sector is in north italy
>"HURR DURR STOP LEECHING OFF US REEEEE"

I like how you keep telling me that the south is leeching although I have already explained you how that not only is not the case, but the opposite is true, and used economics to show you why that's the case, wheras your only argument is calling me nigger.
Btw you don't seem to mind the criminals so much when they bring their capital to the north and buy stocks in northern companies, pumping their price up and making you richer.

>>76232179
>I dun pay da taxes bcuz nobody does (my cousin told me it's tru) and de gubbermint stole my gold and basically is evel

terroni

italian threads always crack me up, keep up the good work lads

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>>76232220
>implying that is what I said
>ambrogini literally can't read and have to make stuff up because they have 0 arguments
No wonder you people think that if you secede you will become an industrial powerhouse, you are literally oblivious to reality

>>76232179
>state employees from the South pay enough taxes to pay for state employee wages and the evil State own investments in Northern economy
Quality understanding of economy, Carmine

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>>76232340
of course not, that the point you fucking cuck. The point is that those taxes are not enough exactly because northcucks don't pay their fair share, so the government goes into debt, and northcucks then complain because they say we are in debt due to the south dragging them down. It's a vicious circle of ignorance and obliviousness.
>ambrogini are unironically this retarded
really made me think

>>76232298
Says the guy posting about conspiracy theories written by some journalist wanting to make a quick buck by selling angry terroni his book about how it's da polentoni's fault that you have the mafia and have a Greece-tier economy

>>76232298
>you r liderally oblivios
>no argumints

t. le cultivated terrone

meanwhile in the real world the south is a mess inhabited by people who refuse to follow any sort of rule imposed by the central government or even attempt to get their shit together because they can blame the north for everything AND get da monies anyway

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>>76232402
>national debt grows because people in the North don't pay taxes

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>>76232402
>northcucks don't pay their fair share

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>>76232407
>he thinks any of the things I am telling him are in that guy's book
That guy doesn't know shit about the economy, and I am speaking about something general that is appliable to many countries and not only Italy. Maybe if you got some education you would know that.
>>76232420
>"hurr durr terrone terrone terrone terrone"
nice arguments cuck, I see that you are literally incapable of elaborating and meaningful thought that an exposition of your inferiority complex towards southerners.
>>76232444
>my politicians don't tell me this because it would make me feel bad, therefore it's wrong even though anon has given me plenty of reasons why that's true and the only argument I've been able to give him is "shut up poor terrone"
also I never said it is the only reason, only that it's a reality
>>76232490
>statistics out of context
the evasion in the south comes from the public sector, not from the private sector. All the evasion from the private sector in north italy, as I have already mentioned, is dirty money that is transferred to the south and used to pump northern companies.

>>76232490
>dat sardinia

noice, very proud

>>76232549
*tranferred to the north

>>76232549
HOL UP

WE WUZ BLONDZ N SHIEEEEEEEET

DA PUBLEEC SECTOR MAYYYYNE

>>76232553
when you don't have an economy, you don't need to pay taxes

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>>76232549
>inferiority complex towards southerners.

>>76232590
angery continental

>>76232549
I see, thanks for providing all these interesting facts without a single source other than your own ass. I guess II got trolled pretty hard

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>>76232579
>says everyone who looks swarthy in the north is "terrone-like"
>show him a blonde terrone
>"WE"

never claimed southerners are aryans or some shit, only pointing out to your incredibly ignorant understanding of reality

>>76232599
>passive aggressive attitude
>0 arguments
looks like I hit a nerve

>>76232627
SO YOU BE SAYIAN

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>>76232625
I provided plenty of facts anon, showing a coloured map without any context and calling me terrone or nigger is in no way a good rebuttal.
My analysis is coherent with economic theory, with geographical, historical and political aspects that involve our country. I am sorry schools in north italy are not good enough for you to be able to elaborate something similar.
>>76232652
are you mad that there are terroni a lot whiter than you, ambrogino? Does it crush your "muh celtic padani" idea that you wuz aryans n shiet? Don't worry, it's part of growing up, to have your flawed misconceptions challenged, it will make you a better person in the long-run.

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>>76232705
>propaganda neoborbonica
>plenty of facts

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>>76232753
nothing of what I said was "propaganda neoborbonica". It's simple economic theory applied to the situation of Italy. There is a reason why Padania will never exist. If that happened, northern companies would have to pay taxes in the south; furthermore, lower wages in south italy would push those companies to actually move to the south. Before you make that retarded objection, nowadays it doesn't happen because northern companies can have southern workers but pay their taxes in the north. Without the unification, it would be more advantageous to move their fiscal home to the south too.

where do they make lambos and rarris?

>>76232853
north

>>76232853
lambos are made in Germany