Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1868

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Where is the best place to post about Japanese novels? Off the top of my head, there would be three places: /int/ DJT, /jp/ DJT, and the /jp/ LN/WN thread. Each has its drawbacks; if you post it on either DJT you're missing out on the audience that doesn't check the other one, and on the LN/WN thread it'd be somewhat off-topic since that doesn't include normal novels, and also would have less visibility than either DJT.

おはよー

>>76227553
what do you even mean by posting about novels
in any case maybe a japanese site would be better

>>76228241

As in "Today I read the first few chapters of (novel). I liked/disliked it because (reasons). It was (level of complexity), for my level having studied for (amount of time) though it was manageable. I would (recommend/not recommend) it to anons here."

The DJT library guy(s?) has put together a brilliant resource and I plan to use it a lot more from here on out since I'm getting a bit burned out on VNs at the moment. But unlike some other things, with untranslated novels there's not a singular place it goes, there are a few different threads you could post about them in.

So if 僕 is for youngsters and 俺 is for edgy teenagers, does that mean I have to use 私 by default?

Does anyone have any recs for talkshows to listen to? Preferably something I could download.
Need something to listen to when I commute.

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Can someone explain the use of the て form in both of these situations?

1. Why だってand not just だった?

2. What does する mean here and why て?

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>>76230388
>1. Why だってand not just だった?
This is most likely だ + the quote market って.
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#って(2)

>2. What does する mean here and why て?
する can mean "wear" when applied to small clothing items like a watch, or in this case, a necktie.
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#する(1)
The te-form of verbs can be used as a command form (shortened form of ~てください) , so in that sentence, he's telling Yotsuba to wear a necktie, too.
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#下さい・ください

>>76231510

1. I don't think it's that. Here's the full context

2. Thanks. For some reason I thought that Yotsuba said both of the lines in that panel.

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>>76231908

forgot pic

>>76231908
1. The first poster is right on that "だ + the quote market って". "What kind of dream (are you saying it was)?"

2. You are correct. He got the "wear" nuance of する right but it's not that "he's telling Yotsuba to wear a necktie, too". Yotsuba is saying herself that she, too, will don a necktie.

Tbqh I think Yotsuba is kind of hard for beginners. Decent amount of slang and all that. People say it's shit but I still say everyone should slog through Hanahira. Even it can be hard but by the time you get out you are a solid beginner rather than babby-tier.

>>76231908
> For some reason I thought that Yotsuba said both of the lines in that panel.

Yeah, the font alone makes that clear.

>>76232271
>Yotsuba is saying herself that she, too, will don a necktie.

Isn't she still using the て form as a request, albeit in awkward five-year-old Japanese?

>>76232271

Ah, 1. makes sense now. Thanks. I thought it was だった (what kind of dream was it?) just changed to て form at first.

2. I think if you look very closely the fonts of the two text bubbles are slightly different (the one on the left slightly bolder), so maybe that means Dad said the one on the right? It's probably just that she's speaking a tiny bit louder in the 2nd bubble, but itjust seems weird giving a command to yourself

Like, if she were to declare that she's going to don a neck tie too, why not "よつばもネクタイする!"

I just don't understand why she'd use て instead of non-past form, or the difference in meaning between the two

>>76227553
If it's a question, just post it on all three. We would benefit from more intermediate/advanced questions.

>>76232522
My impression is that she's giving the command to her dad (do a tie for me) in broken Japanese. I haven't read Yotsuba in a while but I can't picture her using causative form.

"Bread contains salt."

- パンは塩が含まれる
- パンは塩を含んでいる
- パンは塩を含む

All of these are accepted on Duolingo, but I couldn't find a way to make 含める work. "My family includes a cat" accepts "俺の家族は猫を含める", so am I missing some nuance or is this just automated correction being limited?

>>76233751
who care's they're all unnatural non-native sentences, go use a real learning system

>>76233963
You, no doubt, display an almost tangible aura of language mastery.
I am humbled you'd stoop down to provide me - a mere baby - some advice. Thank you!

>>76234179
damn right i can call you a baka in at least 3 different languages

but really duolingo is garbage and i don't know why you would use it when the guide gives you far better resources

>>76233751
It wouldn't surprise me if it was the latter. 含む and 含める seems to be another one of those verb sets like 知る/知らせる 済ます/済ませる 任す/任せる. At a passing glance it's like the potential or causative forms of a verb have kind of evolved into their own nuance. I used to speculate that maybe the -える forms might be more polite (or at the very least are dependent upon who is the subject), like when using 任せる when talking about the 2nd person or a 3rd person, but even if there is some truth in that, it's clearly not that simple. I do suspect there is more of a strong causality with -える version, too.. the one American that knows a lot of etymology could probably provide some insight, and if not that, I'd just keep gathering examples of how and when the two forms are used as you read more and more.

>>76234454
http://www.alc.co.jp/jpn/article/faq/03/106.html

first result on google

含める is more of an action, 含む when only used with only は+を but no に is showing a relationship but not an action.

スタンが脱出経路を確保してる。
Why is が used here instead of の?

>>76234665
Well, when in doubt just google it. It's such an obvious thing that I'm a little embarrassed that I forgot it, haha. Thanks; I don't quite understand your rough take on 含む but I'm sure the Japanese text should suffice if I were to translate it. As expected, -える "does" more than it "describes".

>>76234809
Because スタン is doing the 確保してる.

>>76235073
Oh of course, I'm stupid
I assumed the person speaking was the one going to secure Stan's escape route for some reason
Thanks for clearing that up

>>76235121
Are you sure スタン means Stan and not a stun?

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>>76235157
Yeah Stan's a character

僕が君に生きていてほしい
I'm still a bit confused about に, does this mean "I want to live because of you" or "I want you to live"?

>>76235747
The second one. (人)に~してほしい is "want (人) to ~".

>>76235882
I see
That's very helpful
ありがと!

I tried reading 最強伝説黒沢 today, it was far more difficult than I expected it to be. I read it before in English, and really enjoyed it, but I guess it'll be a while longer before I can enjoy it again in Japanese.

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I don't really understand this sentence, apparently the translation says that it's "The milk that Fuuka bought was low-fat."

Looking at the の I can tell it's probably a relative clause, but what's the last thing being modified? And the traditional meaning of っけ doesn't fit with this meaning either.

I'm guessing that the meaning of this sentence is just "Ah, that milk that Fuuka bought, again?" and an incomplete sentence, which is responded to in her next word bubble. Is this right?

>>76236534
あ oh

風香の買ってきたそれ that thing fuuka bought
の is a subject marker here
japanese has an animacy hierarchy so you don't have to conjugate relative verbs to the passive if it's object that the modified noun was being acted on

低脂肪乳だっけ low fat milk, was it?
っけ is tagging 低脂肪乳だ as a clause being turned into a confirmation question. you can think of this specific usage as だっけ being a construct of its own.

>>76236591
>if it's object
if it's obvious*

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Why does she look so sinister?

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>>76237060
Kuleshov effect - basically you're interpreting it through your pre-existing assumptions/conditions' lens. That can only mean you're in deep debt with Dekinai-chan, HAVE YOU BEEN SLACKING AND NOT GIVING YOUR ALL, ANON?

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Nothing to do with Japanese but seriously what the hell is this panel supposed to be

>>76237653
It's a mirror so you can see around a corner

>>76237755
oh
those are kinda foreign to countries with a nig nog populations as they do not remain unsullied for long
possibly why arcades in japan are still a thing

>>76238566
Remember Timezone?

>>76238912
うん、悔しいけど

彼女がない時の気持ち

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any good manga for someone just starting to relearn Japanese ?

>>76243595
What do you like to read?

>>76245685
anything desu. Something funny is always good.

>>76246469
ひとりぼっちの○○生活
https://mega.nz/#F!lBx1CLoZ!HG3VQVhSVyl8VLs58wgqCA
三ツ星カラーズ
https://mega.nz/#F!9RATULwC!1bCbVSeCMmCPJOQr_vuycA

私は死ぬを求める。

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>>76247760
僕も、自分のクローンで

私は殺てください。

ナイフをください

なんだかおかしくなってきた

>>76248061
暗く話ですね、最初から
おやすみ

Fuck off, thanks. Yours truly, /jp/.

>>76250231
Fuck off where? This is /int/.

>>76250550
Spam autist (who stated he goes to the /int/ thread before) has been spamming the /jp/ thread with copypasted questions from reddit for days.

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>>76250606
Sounds like some sperg from /jp/, with that sort of autism.
Why are you looking to blame anons from an entirely different board for autism on the one board known for its autism above everything else?

>spamming the /jp/ thread with copypasted questions from reddit for days
Fucking kek.

>>76250679
What are you talking about? /int/ is the most autistic board on 4chan.

>>76246532
ありがと anon

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>>76250695
/int/ gets shit for being a normalfag board and being /pol/ 2.0. So what it is, autism or normalfaggotry?

>>76250793
>normalfag
>/pol/ 2.0
Anon, you have a very disturbed sense of reality. You need to see a psychologist.

>>76250793
>being /pol/ 2.0.
ding ding ding, we have a winner
pure weaponized autism

>>76250695
citation needed

/int/ is as normalfag as it gets

>>76250925
Look no further.
>>76250820

>>76250820
>>76250942
have you ever been on /pol/ before?

/int/ is nothing like that except for the flags

>>76250781
ひとりぼっちの○○生活 doesn't have furigana but most of the dialogue is short. 三ツ星カラーズ has furigana and aside from a slangy phrase or more obscure word here and there, it's even lower in complexity than the first one.

They are by the same mangaka so if you enjoy one, chances are you'll enjoy the other.

>>76250803
>>76250820
>>76250942
It's a reference to normalfaggotry, anon. /jp/ is the autism board; that's how everyone else views it.

Whatever you are trying to achieve by sperging out on a thread on /int/ really isn't going to be productive. People are either going to ignore you or mock you.

/jp/ is viewed in general as a containment board for weebs and autism.

The odds of an anon who spends his time shitposting on boards like /int/ bothering to care about /jp/ is slim to nil. Enjoy your stay.

>>76251145
>The odds of an anon who spends his time shitposting on boards like /int/ bothering to care about /jp/ is slim to nil.
I'll take "famous personas for 500 dollars". Who is "Sakurautist"? (the troll impersonating the sakura poster, not the actual sakuraposter)

>look up 手出し on Jisho
>only definition is meddling; interfering

Requesting some guidance, so I could go back to studying.

I learnt kana and continue to do radicals deck (just in case).
For kanji I started doing the KanjiDamage+ deck recently, not sure how it will work out.
I tried to do Kim, but some time after the first chapter got overwhelmed and dropped it, so now that I have time again I started to read "Japanese the manga way", since it was advised for grammar some time before.

Should I stick to it or force through Kim? And when exactly should I start doing the core deck?

>>76252489
https://sakubi.neocities.org/

>>76252559
>Another grammar guide
Fuck, I already had 3 to choose. Now there's 4 of them.

>Read through guide, start doing vocab and throw yourself into media ASAP
I failed at Kim, and manga book is 200 pages long. Maybe this would work better because of my ADHD. Still lack vocab though.

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How accurate is this?

>>76255894
>325-600 Hours for N5
What the fuck

>>76251192
>>76252940
>Should I stick to it
Sounds like a good plan. Japanese: The Manga Way breaks sentences down and is full of examples taken straight from manga, so they aren't stiff or at worse, outright unnatural sentences from a random internet grammar guide.
The book really isn't as long as you'd think. Many of the pages have space taken up from manga images, so you aren't chewing through 200 pages of text.
Worse case scenario you'll still learn something and be exposed to native media in the process.

>>76255894
>>76256215
Source of that table:
https://web.archive.org/web/20151117033458/http://www.studytoday.com/JLPT.asp?lang=EN
Call me a cynic but it is somewhat hard to swallow the claims from a no longer existing website which appears to be involved with the business of language schools.

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>引く
What does she mean?

>>76257118
Similar to "lame" or "odd/weird", in this context. As in a lame joke or that it would be unfitting/not cool if あかり were good at arm wrestling.

>>76257118
Same as どん引き.

>>76255894
I could swear last time I saw a chart like this it said non-kanji foreknowledge students needed 8.000 hours for N1.

Using this chart as reference, I'm pretty sure I'm around N3 with barely over 500 hours of study, Using that chart as reference, I'd think maybe I could get up to N1 with 1500 hours of study, which sounds pretty optimistic!

>>76257374
>>76257462
Thanks.

>>76257626
How long have you been studying?

>>76257826
16 months, I must say the long-term exposure is also a big factor here. I've been slowly picking up the pace too, so I won't take another 32 months to reach that - I'm thinking maybe by the end of 2018.

If you study effectively and don't learn to handwrite I think you can get to N1 level in under 2000 (but definitely more than 1000). "N1 level" being the level at which the test doesn't feel insanely difficult and you don't have to rely on luck.

So basically 2000 hours of active study (anki or reading/listening to things that are difficult but comprehensible) is enough.

>>76234306
What makes duolingo garbage? It would be nice to have something to study with on my phone along with everything in the guide.

>>76262045
>It would be nice to have something to study with on my phone
Ankidroid works well on the phone, in case you weren't aware of it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ichi2.anki&hl=jp

>>76258986
Learning to write isn't really a waste of time eventhough I wouldn't recommend it if you don't have good prior kanji reading abilities in the 1000+.

It really helped me to review all the readings of all kanji individually and to differentiate better similar kanji since I had to learn the specific 部首 of each kanji.

It's also really handy when it comes to remembering new kanji.

>>76262240
I was not thank you anon!

So apparently anki 2.0 uses a vulnerable browser library and anki 2.1 is unstable...

I really wish there was a good alternative, but anki's customizability and addon support are just too good for anything else to even compete.

What does [sentence]かと[sentence] mean?

>>76265385
A quotation. Post the actual sentence when asking for help.

>>76265628
he's too embarrassed to even post it anonymously

>>76265119
>a vulnerable browser library
What does that mean for the user?

>>76265901
that installing it leaves him vulnerable to dragnet ransomware and hours of financial difficulty and work restoring the damage

>>76266305
Thanks Obama.

>>76264473
It's not a waste of time if you end up needing to write. It's absolutely a waste of time if you never end up needing to write.

Note though that I would agree that it is worth learning the basic characters like 水日火 etc so that you can at least write kanji properly when given a reference, but you don't really need to learn to write every one of them. You can get along pretty well even if you never realize that 儀議 are different kanji.

Could someone tell me what the clause 抜けるような青空をバックに means in 抜けるような青空をバックに、才人の顔をまじまじと覗き込んでいる女の子が言った。(from ゼロの使い魔)

What meaning of 抜ける is describing 青空 here? And how does the clause itself relate to the sentence?

Also, on an unrelated note, what's a good way to find Japanese skype friends?

>>76266996

「ぬけるような」「ぬけるように」の形で、すき通っているさまをいう。 「 - ・けるような青空」 「 - ・けるように白い肌」

>>76267125
So something like clear blue sky? And is it saying that 才と is looking back at the clear blue sky (as he's being stared at)?

>>76266305
Wait, where does the invasion come from in this?

>>76267475
...maybe you should read something easier or with translations for a bit

You could take out the entire 抜けるような青空をバックに clause without changing the main meaning of the sentence.

>>76267475
It's saying the sky is in the background.

>>76268660
enterprising capitalists

Recently heard about people copying famous/historical writers to get better at writing.

Has anyone ever tried something similar with Japanese? I don't just mean copying sentences but more like entire articles/essays?

One of the strategies they use is to use bullet points and try to re summarize the whole thing as closely as possible to the original without looking. Sounds like something to try at an advanced/intermediate level,

早く死ぬといいんですが

>>76270085
Yes, you mean copying more like entire articles/essays, not just sentences.

>>76270717
Yeah, it's done to improve writing or learn other people's style of writing. Until now I had never done it.

I guess the hard part would be finding an essay/article that's in your skill level

成績を調べる時、緊張になります。
When I check my grades, I get nervous.

How does this sound?

>>76271491
成績見に行く時は緊張します

maybe something like this/ I don't really know what verb is best but I feel like it's not 調べる

>>76267475
をバックに is usually をバックにする with the suru verb omitted. As the Canadian said, it's describing the background. The girl, who is staring at the face of the talented person, said something.

>>76270366
そんなこと言っちゃだめ><

Once I finish my 2K core anki deck, should I stop adding new cards and just go straight mining?

>>76273408
Sure why not

Does anyone know how learning multiple languages can interfere with learning Japanese?

Lemme give you a rundown.

>fuck up school and work a shit job for 5 years
>notice that I need to get a bachelors degree or else I'm going to be replaced by untrained workers in a few years
>quit job and start school again starting next month

Now I'm forced to learn Spanish and probably learn some new English words as well cause it's a technical school and I lack technical English vocabulary.

Fuck I hope I can keep up with my studies.

>>76275363
It's tough but doable. Imagine having to learn physics, chem and biology in one semester, hard but possible.

Prioritize time, at one point I was in apprenticeship schooling learning theory with an exam, doing doulingo French and Japanese (((almost))) everyday. Probably scale back your Japanese a bit. Personally feel like your retention takes a big hit after a day of school and homework anyway.
If you get stressed just remember which language is a hobby vs need.

What kind of course load do you have? What could you need Spanish for in Germany?

Has anyone here ever used memrise? How are their japanese courses?

>>76275363
>Spanish
Go with Arabic instead, it will be much more useful

>>76275580
It was okay. The typing thing was cool at first but after fucking up due to typos it got really annoying.

Typing in Japanese is just annoying in general.

The Japanese geography decks are fun though.

>>76275534
You need to pick up a third language to get the "allgemeine Hochschulreife" in order to study at a university.

>>76275582
There is only french or spanish to choose from.


Japanese doesn't count for some reason.

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What are these two kanji?

>>76275902
>There is only french or spanish to choose from.
Yeah, for now.

Same in Canada for most schools. For now.

がんばって!

>>76276033
寝かた 呼ぶ

>>76276203

Thanks

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Kind of confused about the meaning of だって here, is the meaning of this sentence just "They say it's Fuuka's kid" (they = other people at school that just saw Yotsuba)? That's the only meaning I can really think of as making sense

>>76276646
Yeah, that's pretty much it. "(It is said that) it's Fuuka's kid."

>>76229568

real life is not anime

you can perfectly use boku without any negative implications

Using ore as a gaijin however I would not recommend

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Context: Yotsuba learned how to ride a bike a few chapters ago and has used it a lot since she got one. Her dad is wondering where she went (she rode her bike to Fuuka's school to bring her milk)

>一心乗れるようにはなってる

Don't really understand the use of は here or how it can be a topic; why is は where it is and what does the sentence mean?

>>76277720
一応 buddy
>Don't really understand the use of は here
jsut accept it

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>Yotsubato
>Hanahira

>>76275363
You are not "learning English", just like a kid is not learning English from watching Pokémon and memorizing their names. Vocabulary is a pretty different field, anyone studying specific areas will have to learn those words in whichever language they speak, but they are all in context.

As for Spanish, it takes around 600 hours of study to learn it for an English speaker monoglote, you already have the advantage of knowing German, so make it 500 cause you're already used to shifting the way you think.

If you study 1 hour a day, you will be speaking it in less than 18 months.

Japanese, on the other hand, takes 2200 hours, so you're fucked whether or not you have to learn other languages on the way.

Just remember most NEETs make less progress than full-time employed people, because time management is more important than free time available. Good luck.

>>76277720
It's a "contrastive" は.Basically it sort of isolates the information so far and tells you there's about to be a "but", which there was.

>>76277720
は doesn't have to equal "establishes topic of discussion" every time it appears. Usually when it's late in the sentence, and it isn't attaching purely to a noun, it doesn't have that nuance (that's just a trend I see though, not a rule). Sometimes it can have to do with contrasting things, or to emphasize a description, among other things.

>>76275363
Do you really ***need*** to learn the language, or do you just have to take Spanish classes?

I've been forced to study Spanish in university for a while too. You can probably graduate without giving a fuck about your third language. Especially since beginner classes are usually quite easy.

Personally I vaguely study right before the tests, since I've got no interest in actually learning Spanish.

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Hi guys,

Can anyone help me identify the grammar in the highlighted section?

>>76281018
>続ける
Continue
>続けられる
Able to continue
>続けられない
Unable to continue
>続けられなくなる
Become unable to continue
>続けられなくなりました
Became unable to continue

Kind of just simple potential negative shit whatever its called

>>76240580
is that an add on?

How long should I be using anki a day?
Im getting tired of spending 3 hours on flash cards everyday.
How long do people that just read and take their own notes spend on anki?

Can someone translate this?

>動物園は、シンシンが大好きなたけのこなどをあげていて、これからも乳がたくさん出るようにしたいと考えています。

My translation sounds like they're fattening up Shinshin to turn her into a milk factory or something. Also without 「」 how do you know where a quote begins or ends? I thought the と particle at the end was just for the last clause but it probably makes more sense for everything after the topic (no idea though since my translation is off in the first place).

>>76281794
The zoo(keepers) are planning on giving Xinxin plenty of her favorite snack - bamboo shoots - in order to continue producing plenty of milk (for her newborn baby - this isn't included in the text).

>Also without 「」 how do you know where a quote begins or ends?
Either with と or って, or you just get used to figuring it out from the context.

>>76281447
You're the best.

>>76281618
It is an add-on called "True Retention".
This one, I think.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/613684242

>>76281982
If the なくなる part was tripping you up in particular, there is an entry in the DoJG specifically for that which may help. As anon pointed out, it can be broken down into
続ける (think of it as the transitive form of 続く, if that helps)
+
られる
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%82%89%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B%282%29
+
なくなる
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%81%AA%E3%81%8F%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8B

>>76281870
Thanks. Is これからも where you're getting the "to continue" translation? It means "from now also" (as in it was happening in the past) or something like that, right?

Also with ようにしたい, it basically shows that the zoo wants/desires this result (but not included in your translation since it's obvious), right? A bit confused figuring out how different it is compared to using the plain form of ようにする (would the zoo make an effort toward something they didn't want?).

>>76282219
>Is これからも where you're getting the "to continue" translation? It means "from now also" (as in it was happening in the past) or something like that, right?
Yep, that's right.

>ようにしたい, it basically shows that the zoo wants/desires this result (but not included in your translation since it's obvious), right?
Yes. I suppose I should have said "in hopes of having her continue producing plenty of milk".

>ようにする
I guess ようにする is a little too concrete and absolute. Like, they hope that they can give her bamboo shoots and they hope that it'll help her make milk, but who knows? Maybe it won't work. ようにする is for something that you have more control over.

>>76282029
Thanks, friend

ここに座っていい?

>>76283346
触らないでくださいよ

>>76283590
痴漢の免許証は持てる、大丈夫です

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Can someone check my translations? This was especially difficult as I had guess a lot based on the context, I could be completely wrong so sorry about the mistakes.

>>76283857
i think that last sentence is more like she said this occurred as a result of the man viewing muslims as the enemy

>>76283857
>a car plunged into an Islamic mosque
Plunged is a nice stylistic choice in this context but the statement is intransitive: after the Muslims left the mosque they were involved in a collision with a car, not that the car itself was rammed into the mosque.

>Police chased after the suspect
Here, the suspect wasn't pursuing the car but that the police arrested the 47 year old man who was driving the vehicle. 車を運転していた is a clause describing the 47歳の男.

>This year alone [...]
Since March of this year, Muslim men have committed three separate Islamic terrorism incidents within England.
~ even still, it's kind of hard to avoid the passive in English without sounding a little odd, as in my rephrasing. The Japanese statement involves certain qualifiers which aren't really used directly in English.

>I have no freaking clue about the last sentence
The other anon who responded it right about this. Here, May is saying that she thinks the man who caused the incident was a man who thinks of Muslims as an enemy.

>>76284379
>Here, the suspect
Sorry:
Here, the police weren't*

>>76284094
>>76284379

Bless your souls. Thank you.

>>76284540
If you don't mind, is this for anything in particular?

>>76284681
Not really, I've just resorted to translating the easy NHK news website as a means of improving my reading. Don't worry, I wouldn't use 4chan to cheat on my homework :D

>>76284963
>Don't worry, I wouldn't use 4chan to cheat on my homework :D
Kek. I thought it may be JLPT prep or something. It is being held in Brisbane and Canberra on the 2nd of July.

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>About 2k cards into Core
>They change the male reader's voice
>But not the female's

>>76289490
You should have heard the new guy at 可. The woman is good compared to others, especially those in rikaisama, Jesus Christ. You'll meet the serious man eventually.

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>>76289699
>You should have heard the new guy at 可
I did, and the other woman at 咲く and 切る as well. I thought they were just corrupted files that got their voices replaced or something. I didn't expect to lose my 先生 just like that.

>>76289490
Add someone else.
https://forvo.com/user/kiiro/

>>76290046
Thanks but the damage is done, I'll just stick with these voices until I make a mining deck

>>76290046
Rather not get a boner every time I do Anki

>tfw can't get my mining deck to play audio

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>>76290196
She makes me heart melt a little.
Listen to her recordings of
https://forvo.com/word/東京スカパラダイスオーケストラ/
https://forvo.com/word/北海道開発庁長官/
https://forvo.com/word/農林水産省/
https://forvo.com/word/叱られる/
https://forvo.com/word/dōitashimashite/
https://forvo.com/word/組織性/

Too cute.

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>図書館 vs 図書室

I've seen both used. What is the contextual difference?

>>76294411
図書館 is like the building and 図書室 is like a room

does Hiroyuki speak French? I found an interview he made of a french guy and he nods during the answer from time to time

>>76294487
So if a library was an extension, like in a school, it would be 図書室? Is it the same for a library in a house (like a study)?

Question on kanji, I'm studying through KanjiDamage+ deck and they seem to force onyomi reading memorization, but some words readings I've heard being used were strictly kunyomi.
Should I bother only with meanings/continue with onyomi/focus on kunyomi/change deck or smth?

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>>76294538
He apparently lives in France, so maybe. A few times on 4chan he has mentioned learning French.
https://fr.linkedin.com/in/hiroyuki-nishimura-63a17535

>>76294659
I've noticed 図書室 signs within schools in various anime, etc.
Googling around, this was the first result:
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1441713554
>図書館=独立した専用の建物。
The entire building is for library usage.
>図書室=大きな建物の一室。
A room within a larger building.

>>76295446
holy shit, didn't know that. thanks.

>>76295105
How are you using the deck, anon?
Would you mind posting an image of the front and rear of an example card in the deck?

>>76295526
Since you are both in France, drop a letter in his letter box
>ur waifu a shit
>
>anonより

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>>76295671
They color the reading orange, and make a sentence based on that onyomi reading. They mention kunyomi reading below, but no mnemonics for them.

>>76296043
Are you using the mnemonics in remember the reading for the kanji on the front?

>>76296130
in order to remember*

>>76296130
Well I try, it somewhat starts to click, that's why I started to worry about kunyomi mnemonics absence.

>>76296216
>it somewhat starts to click
To me that sounds like it's working, or at least showing signs of being useful. In that case, why not keep using the mnemonic system and do not focus on trying to recall any reading not present within the mnemonic?

That way are you still learning some readings of kanji and getting at least somewhat familiar with more kanji as you go.

>>76296381
I'm just being confused about those readings. If I continue to study this deck, I pretty much won't know a single kunyomi, All that on top of Tae Kim saying to not bother with learning readings at all.
It all gets mixed up, so I wanted to ask how important are they at all while studying and what is a better aproach if there is one. So far the option is to shut up and continue the deck.

>>76297062
I personally don't know what the point of the deck you're doing is. With core2k/6k you learn them and learn to feel where their used

>>76297062
>If I continue to study this deck, I pretty much won't know a single kunyomi
You'll learn a whole lot of onyomi, though. These are very common in compound words.

>All that on top of Tae Kim saying to not bother with learning readings at all.
Tae Kim learned Japanese in a very different environment, far before we had all the great tools like Anki, etc. What worked for him isn't necessary what works for others.

>So far the option is to shut up and continue the deck.
Lol, that's one way to put it. It is ain't broke, and all that.
What other ways are you exposing yourself to the language? Are you doing some form of vocab study/revision? Do you do any reading/listening? Do you have any sort of general study plan?
What is "better" for you kind of depends entirely on the greater context of what you are doing with the language and what you want from it, to honest.

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Is watching anime for 20 hours every day a good way to practice listening?

>>76297569
Four hours of sleep a day sounds like a good way to drastically lower your lifespan.

>>76297569
Not particularly, anime isn't that good as listening practice to begin with. Its only benefit is that it is more compelling than many other things.

>>76297311
Hmm, after reading the guide I figured isolated kanji deck would be better in the long run and lover the load from learning both grammar and kanji while doing vocab deck.

>>76297377
>What other ways are you exposing yourself to the language? Are you doing some form of vocab study/revision? Do you do any reading/listening? Do you have any sort of general study plan?
I'm still going through sakubi for grammar and starting to do vocab, maybe I'll get some manga in 1k vocab as advised in guide. That's all I have for now.

>>76297569
Only if you keep it up for 2 years straight

>>76297844
>anime isn't that good as listening practice to begin with
How did you come to that conclusion?

>>76297989
>I'm still going through sakubi for grammar
On one hand I'd heavily advise against using grammar guide put together by an anon in favour of any of the recommended grammar guides in the djt guide. On the other hand, if it works for you, keep using it.

>That's all I have for now.
It's concrete and an easy goal to work towards. That's a great thing. Keep using it till it stops working.

>>76284963
>>76285045

I'm coming down to Brisbane for the N1 you right cunts. Will be looking forward to cracking one open with the boys

>>76299371
Normalfaggotry not welcome.

>>76298262
>How did you come to that conclusion?

Reasons are:

-Lots of empty space - scenes where there is no significant amount of talking
-The speed of speech is in general just clearer/slower than what you should expect in the real world because it is often exaggerated
-although there is hard vocabulary in anime, it tends towards more literary type hard vocabulary and less towards the type of hard vocabulary that you need in the real world

If you aren't good enough to have high comprehension of anime then only (1) matters and anime is decent as practice. But then at some point anime just stops helping you much and you need to listen to stuff where people are constantly talking at an actual fast speed, Hearing twice as many sentences a minute means your practice is twice as good (actually more so because you're getting used to the faster speed in addition to the additional volume)

>>76300643
wtf i love japanese youtubers now

>>76300643
wtf i love japanese game shows now

wtf i love japanese asmr recordings now

lads

i ordered some stuff from Japan via tenso


What does this exactly mean?

※ご注意
■取り扱う商品の中には、注文の集中、入荷・再入荷の数量により、
販売開始後すぐに完売してしまう場合や、
都合により販売開始が急遽変更になる場合がございます。予めご了承ください。


That some of the items I ordered were sold out, or that there's a risk of it being sold out?

>>76302511
The latter one it looks like, hence the 予めご了承ください.

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can any weebs give me a translation of these two images? i tried OCRing it but i couldnt get any decent results, probably due to the font

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>>76303862

>>76303906
>>76303862
I'll do it for $10

>>76303862
>>76303906
外出の賢明

>>76303862
>>76303906
I'll do it for $20

>>76303862
>>76303906
I'll do it for $30.

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I was told おきに means "every other".
Why does the translate in this card say every 30 minutes

Can someone think of a decent way to translate "アベコベランデヴー?"
I was thinking "A Wayward Rendezvous" but that feels like it losing some of the meaning in transition.
It's the title of a doujin https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=63052866

>>76304785
It means "every (interval)". The sentence is 30分おきに, so it translates to "every 30 minutes".

>>76304969
>It means "every (interval)"
Here yes, but sometimes what he said too.

https://kotobank.jp/word/%E4%B8%80%E6%97%A5%E7%BD%AE%E3%81%8D-433502

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>>76305140
I think i understand now.
So its only every other if its days, months, or years?

>>76305237
I think it's basically only going to be "every other" if is 1 something 置きに. If you say 30年おきに I think it would still be "every 30 years"

Basically for N something おきに it's more likely to be "every N+1" rather than "every N" the smaller N is

>>76303954
>>76303959
>>76304443
>>76304675
the hell, i managed to OCR the first image its just the nip saying the skirt higher on the waist is more ero. thanks for nothing weebs.

>>76305631
ok fine, ill do it for 20 *canadian* dollars

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>>76305440
So just when there is 1 of something. that makes sense i guess. Thanks!

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what's happening in here then

>>76305631
I'll do it for a bottle of your finest syrup and a puck autographed by Gretzky

So, can no one think of a better way to translate this >>76304787?

“abekobe” means polar, opposite, inverse, etc. But I don't know how to make that flow smoothly in transition to English.

>>76306140
translate it as "reverse ouse"

>>76306225
That'd make it even more confusing.

>>76306343
Shinzou Abe Kobe Beef Rendezvous

>>76306848
Thanks, Google.

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why

>>76307382
Read the DoJG entry.
>Someone or something is no longer in the same state that he or it was in some time ago.

>>76307382
Kinda like the Spanish "ya"

>>76277633
What happens if I use 俺 as a gaijin?

>>76308065
そんな言ったら日本人が「Is this nigga serious?」などと思われている.

>>76308065
don't listen to him

use 俺 if you are speaking with friends and not using keigo

what you shouldn't do, however, is speak in tameguchi with everyone just using the fact that you're a gaijin to get away with it. Use ますです kiego even on the internet until the person you are talking to either suggests not to or, if they are your same age or younger, they clearly stop using keigo for more than just one or two sentences.

>>76225784
Copy pasted from the djt website feedback:-

The website associated with the "manga" link on the djt website has been brought up to date. Why this information posted is because the site itself has been archived along with a tabbed spaced version of the manga data and volumes missing from the CoR, as per the previous data the site maintainer provided.

At the bottom is a mega link. This will remain online with the intention of someone with knowledge of webdev and programming to take this data and improve the site.

Relevant information for any added series can be posted to djt feedback, for the CoR, or if anyone else decides to host/overhaul the current manga site.

The sorts of requested features are simply above my level of knowledge or desire to dedicate time to learn. This is why someone who knows these things are much better suited to handle this sort of thing. Hopefully the data I have provided can be easily enough slotted into a database and handled programmatically, as I have been told is the preferred method for these sorts of things.

The moemanga.neocities website will remain, as I intend to over time continue to add the not yet added series found on Sheet12 of the Google Sheet linked at the bottom. However, as mentioned above, the only further time spent on the site will be when the previously mentioned manga series are added.

https://mega.nz/#F!VYRy2CoZ!amGOWbl4tSGMwiA2Prv1Hw
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jcn7Z4tbdRblEGnq6jzfW_sc-cOekTSs_N8z7mqb8Uc/edit?usp=sharing

Missing volumes, pastebin form:
https://pastebin.com/1AUDfZWb

>>76309188
What

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>>76309243

>>76309188
What kinds of improvements are needed? This post seems vague and mostly says that improvements are needed and that someone with skills can make them.

>>76298262
>On one hand I'd heavily advise against using grammar guide put together by an anon in favour of any of the recommended grammar guides in the djt guide. On the other hand, if it works for you, keep using it.
What's wrong with it?

>>76311079
It's not an established, complete and well-audited document. It changes daily and some random arsehole made it. The others are a safe bet. People without the ability to tell if something is bullshit don't belong using something untested, where they could be misled, and there are no consequences for the misleader.

Boils down to you having a genetic brain problem that makes you incapable of pragmatism, and instead you do stupid shit like fags marrying children and stuff.

>>76311388
>It's not an established, complete and well-audited document. It changes daily and some random arsehole made it. The others are a safe bet. People without the ability to tell if something is bullshit don't belong using something untested, where they could be misled, and there are no consequences for the misleader.
That's fair enough. Though I would probably say Tae Kim used to be the same way, except it's established and he stopped editing it.

>Boils down to you having a genetic brain problem that makes you incapable of pragmatism, and instead you do stupid shit like fags marrying children and stuff.
What are you talking about? Are you, like, assuming I'm the guy that wrote it?

>>76311447
Yes. He seems like he would have make a post like yours.

>>76311447
People underestimate just how bad TK really is.

Could someone tell me what the difference is between this thread and the one on that faggot board Jp?

>>76312087
int: read-the-fucking-guide tier questions mixed in with paranoid flagposting and reddit-tier learning method arguments
jp: read-more tier questions mixed in with /jp/-native trolls, posts copy pasted from reddit, and normies that ran from /int/ because of the flags

>>76311862
Tae Kim has a few really good points:

-It teaches plain form first

-It teaches about the right amount of grammar needed to start reading (although a little bit extra on common simplifications like していますー>してます would help suppement
-It's not super wordy

Those are pretty big pluses but definitely someone could do better pretty easily if they knew what they were doing and made those three things their goals.

>>76312787
Yes, TK won the special olympics by not making horrible mistakes. You're right. I don't think we should really celebrate that, though.

>米国
Why is the US "rice country"?
I thought it was just アメリカ

>>76313158
http://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/kanji-for-america
According to this it has something to do with being a country with ties to Japan pre Meiji era.

Come to think of it I always wondered why America was 米国 but I never thought about why English was "英"語.

They nailed pronunciation on these two.
丁抹-Denmark (Denmaku)
伊太利-Italy (Itaria)

And nailed the meaning on Austrailia
豪州-Wild State

>>76313571
And apparently, Mexico is 墨西哥
I find it interesting that they call it メキシコ with "English" pronunciation, and that happens also with other countries, but then other countries are pronounced in their native language. I don't know, it feels really inconsistent.
They could just call Mexico メヒコ as it is in Spanish.

>>76313158
亜米利加

Are japanese people nice? Like, I've played on french servers using my broken quebec french and I dont get shit on but if I go talking to japanese kemono artists and shit will I just get murdered? What are some good resources for talking to japanese people?

>>76313914
Nips are more racist than most.

>>76313914
>if I go talking to japanese kemono artists and shit will I just get murdered?
why will you do for that anyway

>>76313158
have to serch "万葉仮名(manyogana)"

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>>76314121
i want to thank them for their service

>>76314197
that would be silly because that's not what it is. It's just ateji taken from the chinese spellings

>>76311388
>The others are a safe bet.
We already know that none of the grammar guides out there are actually any good. None of them are a safe bet.

what do you guys think of learnjapaneseonline.info?

I don't agree with everything on the site and the woman seems a bit fucking crazy, but a lot of it seems to be well thought out.

>>76314922
>woman
All signs point to a guy with a voice changer and no sex reassignment therapy.

>>76314922
Nice VPN you have there, anon.

>>76314949
I really am from SA

>>76314962
Yeah I'm sure mud huts have computers in them.

>>76314970
SA is actually technically civilized thanks to the dutch anon.

>>76314970
I'm white and I live in a normal house

>>76314938
thats pretty disgusting

>>76314982
being american he just cant fathom a country that has locks on fridges

>>76315134
Want a pic of my abs?

>>76315155
Ew, no one wants that.

>>76314977
A dutch anon civilized South Africa all by himself? That's impressive.

>>76315181
It really is.

>>76305631
What did you expect, some sacred feng shui secrets about uniform balance and various fabric chi properties? You're the weeb here for having unrealistic expectations on Japanese media.

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>>76314922
This is SPOOKY AS SHIT, HOLY CRAP.
Here, allow me to repay you with something in the same level.

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Can anyone tell me what kanji these are?
Too badly written for me.

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>>76316090
the dolls are also creepy

>>76316873
素敵

>>76317031
Thank you.
I appreciate it.

When using 空く is すく when for example, a room is empty, but あく when something is empty as in, it's free?
Like, this classroom is empty すく, and this chair is empty あく

>>76309922
>>76311079
The mentioned page has its own feeback link at the top and bottom right of the page, for suggestions other anons have left.
On 4chan itself, some people have made other suggestions and asked for it to be hosted in github, which someone now can if they desire.
The post is for those anons who were providing feedback at previous points when the site was being put together. If none of the suggestions are relevant to you or if you weren't the other anons making suggestions earlier, don't worry about it.

>>76319419
Your second quote is unrelated btw.

>>76319452
Indeed, a misclick. Hopefully it is obvious to anyone who reads it.

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comfiest day of my life

>>76312087
/int/ is for shitposting and blogfagging
/jp/ is for actually learning Japanese

How common is it for 今日 to be read as こんにち?

Where should I go for grammar points not in the DoJG? I had to look up さらに online for example and while I did find my answer I was wondering if there was some other consolidated source I could use. So far I've been fine with just reading whatever Google spits out but I'm just curious if there's something else I could use.

>>76321589
http://www.jgram.org/ is a rather extensive English language based Japanese grammar site.

>>76321773
Cool, thanks

>>76314017
Everyone says they are the nicest and most inclusive in the world.

I've always felt like there not hateful but it feels like a facade as well.

>>76316977
Those people get desensitized and don't even notice how uncanny they've become. It's all rainbows and squirrels in their eyes.

Quit playing god, anons. It's not worth it.

How long do you guys spend on cards and reading a day. I would like to compare so I can make improvements!
Everyday I spend:
2-3 hours on anki
1-2 hours on reading

>>76322264
50 minutes anki
1-4 hours reading

>>76322264
1 hour on anki

>>76322264
1-2 hour on Anki, depends how many words I write out.

Can 大好きなものとは遠いけど mean "It's [metaphorically] far from my favorite thing(, but it will do)"?

>>76323909
It's far off from my favorite though.

>>76322264
30 minutes on anki, 30 minutes listening, some reading here and there

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Literally what is the last kanji here? 安 would make some sense in context, but why the shit is the heart radical there?

>>76324442
the outer radical is a simplification of the "gate" radical

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>>76324513
That's fucked up, why would you even write it like that? Thanks anyway.

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>>>/jp/17212415
People shill Tae Kim because it's the least awful established guide, not because it's particularly good. People shill Anki because it's the most efficient way to make yourself remember stuff aside from pure exposure. People shill RTK because they drank the koohii and think RTK is something other than it actually is.

>>76325628
What is good then

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>>76325667
Reading. A lot. And reading a grammar guide and doing Anki as supplements because you're a dumb imperfect human and don't read right.

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Oh man, what a hard Japanese word. I dunno if I'll ever be able to memorize this one. I guess I really can't 日本語を学ぶ.

>>76326800
Better get out while you're ahead, Grant

>>76327084
Thanks Anon

>>76322264
About 60-80 minutes on Anki
45-60 reading

>>76324442
巻き込まれ型不憫
憫、from 不憫

>>76325628
>>76325750
Fuck off.

>>76308427
R A R E
A
R
E

>>76330194
Last time I was in the flagtism general, there was an anon who managed to get a functioning proxy for a heap of those smaller island nations. Makes it even harder to accept they are legit when there is a general on /int/ dedicated to anons obsessed with collecting flags by all means necessary.

The most legit rare anon I've noticed is a Mongolian guy who posted a photo of his passport and some random yurt thing he claims to use when going into the wilderness native Mongolian innawoods shit.

Also, a rich guy from Liechtenstein who has made thread or two in the past, each time complaining about >tfw no gf, despite being born into wealth. What a cunt.

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>>76320996
>That bg

Sauce plz Mister German

>>76329604
pretty sure the one that has to fuck off is you anon

KARA~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6Ra6MTIxQ

>see/hear word I learned in Anki out in the wild
>if it's written figure there might be some slight change in one of the kanji so that it's not the word I think it is
>if it's spoken get paranoid it's a homophone I don't know
>look it up
>it's exactly the word I thought it was
ほほほ、死にたい

>>76336371
310 iirc

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>>76324643
ex. 2 many strokes, people are always laZ w/ language, ofc

>>76337397
The roof + マ is pure art. One of my favorite kanji and not even an actual one.

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>>76337397
>drawing little lines is too hard in 3
>but purposefully do it anyway in 8

>>76338774
It's more annoying to write them at the bottom than it is at the top, or something like that

>>76318386
That's pretty much spot on.

>>76321080
Hardly at all.

>>76337397
By the way for this: 2/13 are the most common. I think I've also seen 4,7,12, and maybe 6

I just started using Anki. From what I can tell, its idea of a day is 24 hours from the last time you finished all your new cards?
Is there any way to change it so that it gives you your new cards at the same time every day? It seems to me that with the current method, one's study time would slowly get later and later.

>>76343780
Nope, it changes days at the same time each night and that can be modified in the settings.

>>76343830
Cool, thanks. I guess I just happened to finish the first set around that time.