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Whites are responsible edishan

It's good that two italians died so that it wasn't all minorities. Hopefully more whites will be found dead there.
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kill wh*tey allahu akbar
fpbp /thread
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Is this the legit count, I read it was 30 but im pretty sure its probably alot higher for a fire on a building that big.
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>tfw no bf
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>>76163938
>Italians
>white
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>>76164198
R-r u muslim and macho
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>>76163938
RIP Steve and Tony
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I hate sandpeople.
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>>76164961
Finny that, because your white monnins all love us
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>>76164961
Who exactly are you
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Bout to get a buzzcut pham
The weather is so fucking hot and humid.
I also wanna go clothes shopping, no point in working long shifts if i cant spend money. Who said retail therapy doesnt work
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>>76165350
I'm not "white".
"White" is anglo mongrel speak and means nothing.
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>>76165769
So you're haitian
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https://youtu.be/DYbi-NubNKE
Where are my fellow Moors-American brothers at?
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>>76163938
huh
kind of dont feel bad about that fire anymore
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>One group of flags that /MENA/ will be excellent without
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>>76163938
It was more funny gasing, mutilate and bury alive millions of your shitmates during our rule in Lybia and seeing daily millions of You down in our seas man. Don't worry
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>>76165714
And im supposed to be the fay.

Im not een memeing.. im literally more masculine than all of u combined.
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i'd like to extend my deepest sympathies to Pakistan for the London fire
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>>76167412
What
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>>76166139
that's implying you felt bad when you thought it was English victims
which is top betrayal of your ancestors and cuckoldry
i hope the iran jam 200 kilos of potato up your asshole
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>>76167257
>tfw one chance a life not an italien state why even live
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>>76167257
>gasing, mutilate and bury alive millions of your shitmates during our rule in Lybia
>millions
entire Libyan population wasn't even 1 million back then you fucking retard
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Oops left my phone at the fridge
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>>76167257
>Specific war crimes alleged to have been committed by the Italian armed forces against civilians include deliberate bombing of civilians, killing unarmed children, women, and the elderly, rape and disembowelment of women, throwing prisoners out of aircraft to their death and running over others with tanks, regular daily executions of civilians in some areas, and bombing tribal villages with mustard gas bombs beginning in 1930.[22]

Based catholics
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>>76166139
xDDD so edgy and machiavellian /b/ro
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Tfw feel worst for the Italians who died than the ethnics
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>>76167257
And we run you over now with articulated vehicles weighed down with bricks. Hows that for retroactive justice
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>>76167257
How does it feel to lose WWII too us?
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>>76167722
On mummy Mays watch list now lad xxx
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>>76167715
To be truthful when horrible le they died because they were poor and most were immigrants. It's not the industrial age anymore and western countries don't need unskilled labor. I'd wager most came to the UK and we're just a burden on the nation. However that's just the logical viewpoint and not the emotional one.

Also, look at that Muslim slut firing kids out of her baby Canon at 16.
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>>76167725
>How does it feel to lose WWII too us?
>to us
Stop posting and start assimilating
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>Be Europe
>Fight for hundreds of years pushing back against the Ottomans and Ummayads at different points in time
>Fast forward a thousand years and you let them in willingly
Feels good to watch desu, fuck wh*tey
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>>76167759
Already am. All they find on my hard drive is arab gay porn and factual anti white comments.
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>>76167684
>catholics
I meant latins

>>76167972
Why not try to take the americas?
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>>76167972
They sidnt push back.. they were literally teligious catholic extremist terrorists doing state sponsored terrorism to muslims
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>>76167725
All i see is cannon fodder
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>>76168058
America is Mexican territory, that 56% is going to drop steeply as the years progress.
>>76168066
It was war, I mean we conquered their lands in the Balkans and Iberia so they fought back, it's funny because only this time it's permanent.
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>tfw no qt kuffar hating, Aisha aspiring, Al Arabiya watching, Allah fearing, adhan answering, araby typing, astaghfirullah muttering, airport security check derandomizing, badawi scoffing, camel riding, Daesh denouncing, date eating, deen having, diglossia knowing, Fairouz listening, familial honour bestowing, fatwa obeying, fusha speaking, habibi endearing, halal consuming, haram avoiding, hijab donning, imam listening, inshallah willing, Intifada supporting, Zionist Entity hating, IDF soldier stoning, Islam submitting, jizya receiving, khaybar khaybar ya yahud'ing, li beirut singing, Mecca facing, mascara overusing, modesty embodying, Mohammed(pbuh) admiring, mensif preparing, naqba mourning, nasheed chanting, Occidentiphiling, oudh spraying, Ottoman revolting, Panarabist aspiring, Quran memorizing, Ramadan fasting, salafi hating, shahada reciting, Sharia law implementing, rock throwing, shisha smoking, Turkish drama watching, virginity minding, ummah uniting, yallah exclaiming, zina committing Arab gf
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>>76168058
>Why not try to take the americas?
that land rightfully belongs to Mexicans , our right is europe
we don't go around raping land, only take our right
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>>76168198
Me on the left
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>>76168198
missed you cunt
how's life going for you
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what have YOU done today for our lord and savior Barbs?
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>>76167722
WE
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>>76168316
Shit. Freudian slip gunna get me v&
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>>76168155
>>76168207
Good, then we can avoid another reconquista
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>>76168198
>tfw no c-pop boyfriend
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>>76168250
terrible, not a moment passes without yearning to commit sodoku

how about you? how are you still alive
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>>76167952
Never
>>76168090
Still more useful than swede cucks were
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If dubs I kms
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>>76168736
why
what happened
nothing happened to change my living status i suppose
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>>76168821
dubs and kms
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dubs and will leave mona alone : (
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>>76168874
see qt
it's supposed to be
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I hate diaspora posters, we're such an embarassment. Why dont we go to our respective generals?
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>>76168968
we don't belong in the generals of our respective flags, we live there but we are not one of them
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>>76169018
Look at your flag. How cant we be one of them? There's plenty of shitskins in /brit/ and nederdraad. Aside from the occassional banter I was welcome in nederdraad. Its just now filled with underaged retards thats why I'm not there.
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>>76169045
we can only post there with these flags if we don't mention the fact that we're middle eastern.

i'd rather be in a general with other /mena/'s and muzzies
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mona, enough abdel halim let's listen to fayrouz now :3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXceA0HFUl0
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>>76169174
But you're not a muzzie. And thats not true, just handle the banter. Here we get bantered by our diasporaness and in other generals by our ethnicities. Big deal.
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>>76169232
>Fasted nearly all of Ramadan properly
>Pray 5 times a day regardless of Ramadan
>Not a muzzie
What? I'm not sure if I believe in a god but I am still a Muslim.
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>>76169305
Which brit poster are you
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Borat (Turkey edition):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4R6iFSYDZ0
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>>76163938
LMAO ONLY GOOD RAGHEAD IS A DEAD ONE BOYS!
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>>76169405
a*i
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>>76168823
stuff I guess
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>>76170017
awww you poor baby
if you want someone to talk to i'm here
(3 pics per half our therapy session, starting from feet and ending in butt)
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>based turkey lel
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>>76163938
Islam has literally turned me into a shell of a man since I have to pretend to believe in something I do not since you can't be an apostate in the west anymore. Fuck everything.
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this is for all the cute lahads out there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nX2n8UKbWA

you smart
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what does darat rahaha mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVtVX2ksM2s
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>>76169174
>I'm not sure if I believe in a god but I am still a Muslim.
>culturally muslim
I want to fucking kill you and all who are like you. I hope you burn to death in a apartment tower you fucking scum.
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>>76171176
Shoo shoo
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>>76171207
Everytime I am in a mosque it takes a lot out of me to keep up appearances. I despise your kind. Islam is a cult that seeks dominance over others but above all else dominance over it's followers.
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>>76171294
Then fucking leave no one is forcing you to stay
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>>76171378
It's my fault for being too much of a pussy I know. But if I openly leave i'll be disowned by my family and I have been raised to be dependent. It's a cult that punishes those who leave.
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>>76171176
I'm not sure if I believe in god, I just can't force myself to believe but I was raised a Muslim so it's still part of my identity and I practice like any other Muslim does, praying, fasting etc.
>>76171450
Leave Finland you fucking shitskin Finland is BASED
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>>76171294
You need to seek psychological help. Are you somali? If so I understand why you're like this
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>>76171450
>I'd rather lie to myself and everyone I know all my life than be honest about who I am
It's not like you're in SA or Iran where you'll get executed for leaving.
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mona I know you're watching pls reponb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fSGxIwphnc

;_;
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>>76171513
>pretending to believe in a book that preaches that the sun revolves around the earth and other glaring lies that can be nowadays proven wrong
>just to be a part of one the shittiest communities of all time
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>>76171450
Yes you will be disowned and rightfully so every culture has a social taboo if you were gay you couldn't come out same dilemma but you still have the choice you cuck to leave with almost no repercussions if you do it properly
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>>76171450
>and I have been raised to be dependent
you have to be predisposed to being a cuck so raising as a cuck would work on you
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>>76170913
Go to sweden plz
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>>76167684
nothing to be proud of if you're not an edgy retard teen like >>76167257

>>76163938
mmmh, why were the italians the only two beautiful people that died? Maybe it's just coincidence...
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>>76171562
The constant repression that I force on myself and the outside pressure is getting to me, I am not going to deny that. I just wish islam and especially muslims would be less fanatical about their faith, in the cultural sense. Most of "muslims" don't actually believe, they just go trough the motions. But they do it to get a sense of community and they are hostile to those who choose to leave that community. It's a cult.
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>>76171760
>going to a place with actual militiant islam when I want to get away from islam in general
Good advice.
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this isn't /Islam/ it's /MeNa/ you fucking Somali
Go eat mud cakes elsewhere you stupid nigger
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are jews /mena/?

>tfw no qt goyim hating, shekel hording, yaprak eating, gefilte fish cooking, mincha reciting, menorah lighting, tefillin wearing, peyot growing, zionist supporting, shofar blowing, challah braiding, hanukkah celebrating, suka constructing, tikkun leil shavuot studying, pomegranate harvesting, purim commemorating, hamantash baking, yom kippur fasting, mikvah bathing, yeshiva researching, kashrut dieting, shechitah slaughtering, tahor purifying, teramuh offering, zavah abstaining, zeved habat naming, minyan contributing, hazzan singing, multicultural promoting, morally conniving, salmon curing, keplach frying, dreidel spinning, meat koshering, tzedakah giving, parashah reading, shema davening, maariv beseeching, siddur adhering, kabbalah thinking, matzot preparing, kotel wailing, chametz burning, karpas dipping, teshuva atoning, chesed bestowing, hilonim respecting, siyum achieving, netilat yadayim washing, maror grating, bareich blessing, afikoman stealing, omer counting, hol hamoed holidaying, tish attending, kitniyot rejecting, ketubah signing, kiddushin dedicating, badeken covering, chatan encircling, mazel tov shouting, temple mourning, krenzi dancing, zimmun recounting, pidyon haben redeeming, brit milah advocating, shalom bayit reconciling, klezmer playing, khazone intoning, krekht creating, kinnor plucking, tziltzal banging, nusach conducting, paspag browning, haroset grinding, kugel roasting, kasha boiling, knish grilling, cholent stewing, shidduch arranging, shadchan matching, frum heeding, tzitziyot sewing, khumra obeying, kapparot sacrificing, sheitel wrapping, zuzzim acquiring, baal teshuva embracing, onah endearing, pessary using, halakha abiding, chazal following, negiah maintaining, tzniut observing, yichud complying, cheder tutoring, kollel analysing, chevra kadisha cleansing, taharah planning, keriah tearing, chol enjoying, matzevah unveiling, yahrtzeit marking, hashkabóth solemnising, yizkor chanting jew gf

asdf
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>tfw no Doha al-Shams gf
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>>76171994
>/diaspora/
Fuck you too you paki cunt.
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>>7617198
You have to tell your family to fuck off tho
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>>76172123
I would gladly deport all those who actually subscribe to that durka durka shit, except those who are blood related since I am cucked in that way. Too pussy to follow through with my convictions because muh family.
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My ancestors could chose between the US, Canada, Australia and Brazil.

Fuck me in the ass. How to leave this shithole, brahs?

>>76172006
I'd marry a jewish qt in an instant.
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>>76172076
/mena/ diaspora, not chimps with heads like xenomorphs
go find the general for you own shithole
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>>76172201
Where are you from?
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>>76172006
>tfw wish i was a cripple psychopath who traveled back in time to fuck humanity just so frogfu would pull my useless body across ice
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>>76172233
I am /mena/ diaspora though.
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>>76172279
Somalis aren't /MeNa/
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>>76171939
Ayaan Hirsi Ali pls. At least generate money by writing books instead of whining about it on a chinese cartoon board.
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>>76172214
south brazil is literally heaven though
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>>76172306
>a somali woman who left islam gets death threats from muslims AND she gets demonized by ultra regressive green/left voters
Europe really is the place to be free ain't it?
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>>76172372
She got demonized by right wingers too LMAO
Praise to be rita verdonk!
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>>76172372
>My people's culture is fucking trash
>Waaaah Islam is bad
She shouldn't blame Islam for Somalis being Somali, you can't help sub 70 iq
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>>76172372
She gets demonized by the left because she's a filthy rightwinger. VVD scum can all fuck off
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>>76172342
Well, it's more organized, but it's overestimated as fugg. The things you see in Rio happens all over the country, although in Rio and São Paulo the amount of favelas is unbearable.
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>>76172233
Why are you immigrants so territorial on here?
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>>76172457
Their parents stole their chance at true identity so they have to cling to what little they have
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>>76172395
>if you leave islam you literally get demonized by all
>by muslims because you are an apostate who deserves death
>by leftists because you do not support the religion of peace
>by right wingers because you are not white
That is why it is so fucking hard to leave, the whole world is against you if you do.
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>>76172457
We generally don't mind any flags here but this Somali is just retarded.
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>>76163938

Rolling
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>>76172457
Because they are tribal creatures. They believe in that the individual is nothing but a part of the community and the community must seek dominance.
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>>76172571
kek
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>>76172488
I am not territorial though
>>76172494
She wasn't demonized by her because she was non white, but because she was a liar you dumb retard
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>110 posts
>96 western flags and only 14 mena flags
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>>76172457
This, too much aggressiveness in this thread.
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>>76172525
>insisting I am somali
I am not though, as I said before I am /mena/ diaspora.
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>>76172632
I wont go to nederdraad they're all underaged
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>>76172595
>>76172488
kek are you pigsking roleplaying as resentful diaspora?
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>>76172652
as if here is any better
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>>76172686
That dutch flag is a white guy with an interest in iran
>>76172642
Whats yor ethnicity thn?
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>>76172714
/mena/ diaspora, I don't need to be more specific.
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>>76172642
Of course, I believe you.
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>>76172788
From /me/ or /na/?
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>>76172714
why is he interested in Iran?
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>>76172874
Hot wimmin probably
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>>76172813
Irrelevant.
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>>76172788
Why not? You scared you're going to get doxxed by revealing your country of origin, stupid nigger
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>>76172941
I don't think it should matter in this particular context.
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>>76172023
Yo what the fuck

I'm a student and like today is my last day and it was really melancholy because i spent it with my girl (and her mom).. and her name is shams al-doha.... my morning sun... damn man god must be sending me some messages or something...
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>>76172874
Culturefag, history general.
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>>76173077
so why is interested in Iran (old rocks and some sandpeople chants here and there) instead of Italy (cradle of civilization)?
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Rappel aux arabes que c'est en france que sont partis tous leurs intellectuels
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>>76173022
Alright so you are somali, glad we cleared matters up.
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>>76173132
haha fuck what the fuck is italy known for know compared to iran? name a single modern italian intellectual potatonigger
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>>76173160
Whatever helps you sleep at night. But how do you feel about believing zealously in a religion that can be proven to be false in the current year?
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>>76173077
Welke partij heb jij op gestemd
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>>76173132
>Italy (cradle of civilization)
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>>76173132
I spent 6 years of highschool studying latin, and been to Rome. Been there, done that. Also
>Cradle of civilization
>Its bronze age starts 1500 BC

>Iran
>Bronze age started around 3000 BC

Also, their stuff didn't start with Islam, but they had plenty of shit before that. (You know, Persian empire was Rome's big nemesis, and Byzantium's after that)
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>>76173178
Sonia Gandhi
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>>76172214
>My ancestors could chose between the US, Canada, Australia and Brazil.
>Australia
HAAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
We have the worst batch of lebs according to international standards.

>>76172494
Aya Hirsi is a literal western cocksucker, blames islam for some african cultural repression she experienced as a kid
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>>76173278
>WE WUZ ANCIENT MESOPOTAMIANS N SHIEEET MY KAFIR!!
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la bella vita in kurdistan
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>>76173333
Nice numbers
Dont mind assman btw he is the biggest we wuzzer
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>>76173248
No it can't be proven wrong
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>>76173248
>Admit I am a cultural Muslim
>ISlam isn't real le ebin xdddd
Jesus are you bloody mary? do I have to repeat myself constantly for you to understand?
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>>76173333
but we literally wuz
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>>76173387
Pay attention to the scientific errors. The quran has a earth centric view of the universe which is obviously not true, and that is just one of many errors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ6c66G99A4
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>>76173476
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispilio_Tablet
EUROPE WUZ
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>>76173132
now these are the high quality posts I come here for
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>>76173481
>Post sources
>Here's an easy yt link
Hahahaahahaahah

I bet you post on reddit.
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>his country is less than 35% white
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>>76173472
Cultural muslims are even worse. Especially those who know it's a sham since the social model itself is scewed and they subscribe to it not in the hope of eternal salvation but just because.
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>>76173591
fuck off wh*tshit
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>>76173591
>Tunisia is whiter than georgia, armenia, azerbaijan, south east russia.
>>76173592
being a cultural muslim is better than sucking white cock and begging europeans for acceptance.
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>>76173562
Just get your nearust quran.
>It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)(Sura 36: 40).
>By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour; By the Moon as she follows him…(Sura 91: 1-2)
>“(God is) the one Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion” (Sura 21: 33).
>Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. Qur'an 18:86
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>>76173591
based Carthage
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>>76173369
le belle ragazze in POOnisia
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>>76173305
>We have the worst batch of lebs according to international standards.

Probably, and we're the elite here in Brazil, but dear God, life would be easier.

>>76173333
B-but they wuz. Lebs only have ~20% of arabian peninsula blood, and I believe iraqis have something around that too. The rest is what it was there before, I believe.
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>>76173710
t. far right fuck sharia law dot com
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>>76173591
based berber
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>>76173680
I only wish for people, especially my family to be okay with me not playing along. It should not mean burning all bridges. It would be nice to be accepted but it is not that important. Also your hatred of whitey while living in europe is embarrassing, no need to suck their cocks since they are the cucks who allow islam and the likes of you to trample over them.
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>>76173777
Dove fuggi in Italia
Liberi mafiosi sono in Italia
I più pericolosi sono in Italia
Le ragazze nella strada in Italia
Mangi pasta fatta in casa in Italia
Poi ti entran i ladri in casa in Italia
Non trovi un lavoro fisso in Italia
Ma baci il crocifisso in Italia
I monumenti in Italia
Le chiese con i dipinti in Italia
Gente con dei sentimenti in Italia
La campagna ai rapimenti in Italia
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>>76173856
so you finally going to admit you're a somali? UQUQ
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>>76173476
>>76173786
they wuz but then araps came and raped them, the true mesopotamians left are christian lebs and west anatolians
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LAHAD WUZ
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>>76164198
>tunisia
Not surprised
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>>76173879
>you will never be molested by a group of smug poonisian hotties

why even live
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>>76173908
I'm not but I can't convince you otherwise.
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>>76173917
Pic related. Lebanon is kind of homogeneous if you think about it, no considerable difference between the ethnicities.
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>>76173792
Literally open the quran and read. I have one in my hands right now so I know you would find the same verses.
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>>76173710
What's the issue with these verses?
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>>76174154
The sun does not follow the moon also the sun does not go to rest in some muddy pool. The problem with this is that it is based on a earth centric world view which was the accepted truth back in the day.
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>>76174013
most of those are not cute
here is a cute sisters for you
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Hmm bought this gum, where is it from?

It does taste okay
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>>76173591
Fuckk outta here whiteshit
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>>76174251
but this one is literally perfection
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>>76174251
awww
the one on the left is really
CUTE
U
T
E
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>>76174273
doenst it literally say "Made in..." on the top
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>>76163938
Of 650 people over 500 died
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>>76174273
No its just says what it was made of.
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>>76174248
ok on the first on they both revolve on the center of the milky way galaxy

second one what transaltion mine says this
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." the key word here is [as if] it's not literal
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>>76163938

I wonder how many people this fire actually SAVED instead of killed, because of future terrorism and whatever?
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>>76174303
don't like her facial feature like a black person
here is another cutie
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>>76174273
Jordan.
It has taste for about 10 seconds.
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>>76174248
A literalist interpretation of the Quraan is not an entirely rich way of reading the script. It is always important to remember the Quraan's immediate audience at the time it was inspired, and that while they had a rudimentary - possibly even farther than that - understanding of astrology and the movement of the spheres, that the Quraan is mainly a poetic invention rather than a scientific tome. The sun not following the moon can be easily understood as an allusion to how the day does not intermingle with the night, and that there are certain cosmological rules that the Quraan wants people to pay attention to. The average believer is not expected to understand the Copernican system, or Newtonian physics, or Bohr's complementarity. The book is most well used as a meditation guide, and it would serve any reader to understand what the book refers to as self-evident things, and not extrapolate to greater details. This is where I'jaz "scientists" and the Westerners that bank on the futility of their "discoveries" seem to misunderstand the simplicity and eloquence of the Quraan - simply because they see it as a code, when, rather, it supposedly exists to demystify the "code of the universe" by throwing God in the gaps.

And while this is in itself a logical fallacy, you can see how dangerous taking it seriously can lead to unruly results. Which reminds me of the hilarious episodes of people wanting to prove Mecca is at the core of the universe, and etc.

This is me playing the devil's - or in this case, Allah's - advocate.
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>TUNISIA IS WHIIIIIIIITE
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>>76174700
berfect tunisia without whi*es
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>>76173178
Umberto Eco.
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>>76163499
>Im so happy two victims were white. If more victims were white you know how everyone would be posting hastags and having five minutes silence. White people love to milk these things.
Please tell me this is bait. I don't want to believe people actually think like that.

>>76165714
Bank it, stupid goy.

>>76174700
>in a few million years, the Mediterranean will disappear and Africa will be united with Europe
How does that make you feel ?
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>>76173135
>intellectuels
>arabes

>>76171782
At least Italians had some decency when dealing with enemies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMDVK79I9R0 I'd rather have these Italians kill my people everyday rather than "brothers" like ISIS. This is why I wish for muslims never to recover, and remain overpowered and subdued.

>>76167412
top bantz
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>>76174736
>no kerkennah
>no tunis
>no sousse
>no bizerte
Litterally pointless
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>>76174822
Global warming will save the day.
>>76175482
Ur mum is pointless xd
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>>76163938
>Italians aren't minorites

What
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>>76174610
>A literalist interpretation of the Quraan is not an entirely rich way of reading the script
True, but if it is the word of god there is not much room for interpretation.
>>76174465
Also the verse
>"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7
Is food for though. Though some people have made an art at being an apologist for these kind verses. Also think about how many quranic verses are convenient for muhammad, like the fact that he gets more wives that others. The fact that when he was pestered by his guests this verse was conveniently sent down
>“O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses, unless permission is given to you for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meal, disperse without sitting for a talk. Verily, such (behavior) annoys the Prophet, and he is shy of (asking) you (to go), but Allah is not shy of (telling you) the truth. And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen: that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not (right) for you that you should annoy Allah’s Messenger, nor that you should ever marry his wives after him (i.e., after his death). Verily! With Allah that shall be an enormity.” S.33 v53
It's strangely convenient is it not?
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Why is it only North africans behind the European terrorist attacks, and not Middle Easterners/East africans/Syrians/etc?

Every single one from Manchester to Nice.
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>>76175663
Because there is way more maghrebis?
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>>76175663
berber genes
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>>76175663
Because there are more of them there and they stayed longer, giving them more reasons to hate wh*tes.
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>>76175663
Whats even the point of those terrorist attacks when they cant even match the death toll from car accidents?
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>>76173027
so how will the story end

will you take her hand in marriage
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>>76175860
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>>76175556
Were God's concern interpretation, he would not have sent a book.
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>>76175556
and the verse about aisha then?
why would the prophet not talk to her/avoid her until Allah made a revelation saying she is innocent? i mean if we're to believe the qur'an is his fabrication a lot of the verses make no sense, especially those where Allah is displeased with the prophets behavior or talk.
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Only ever met a Malaysian Muslim or the local kebab shop owner. The Brit Muslims in this thread seem aggressive
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>>76175482
well maybe it lacks south sfax
without those states se7el cap bon and tunis will be uselss
5 million people will starve
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>>76176062
afaik we have a british anon that is a loti (gay bottom) and the other is literally anjem choudary
not the most fair sample sizes
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>>76176059
Cite the verses in question. Though without knowing which verses you are talking about I think
>why would the prophet not talk to her/avoid her until Allah made a revelation saying she is innocent?
Is because he was unsure about what he wanted to do.
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>>76176062
Your country has turned into planet of the apes https://youtu.be/EVOSHnksqAQ
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>>76176211
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>>76174610
>The sun not following the moon can be easily understood as an allusion to how the day does not intermingle with the night, and that there are certain cosmological rules that the Quraan wants people to pay attention to.
>muh poetic license
>muh mystical text that doesn't actually say what's written
will Quran apologists ever learn ?

>Copernican system, or Newtonian physics
Which are all false, btw. None of these models actually holds the truth, and you can demonstrate by comparing previsions obtained through calculus and precise enough measures that the 2 don't match. Yet they're still used successfully to launch rockets and fly planes.
It never fails to amuse me when MUH SCIENCE AKBAR pseudo intellectuals deliberately ignore the fundamental imperfections and imprecision (which is, btw, one of the core principles) of the models; all the while denouncing a SPIRITUAL book to be false because... it wasn't constructed in consonance with scientific methodology. Knowledge is always accompanied by doubt and modesty, cockiness is the mark of ignorance.

>>76175663
For the same reason you use your feet to walk and not your head: they're closer to the ground.
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>>76176201
idk i mean in retrospect if you're convinced he was a fraud there will always be an explanation for his behavior. there was the one where he said "come back to me tomorrow and i'll have the answer" to some meccans asking a question about islam and Allah did not revelate anything for 15 days because he did not say "come back to me tomorrow and I'll answer inshallah"

how do you explain the whole illiteracy thing though? how did an illiterate merchant write a poetic piece like the qur'an?
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honestly /mena/ isn't as comfy as it used to be

inb4 you fucked my mum last night
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>>76176281
>>76176525

You're all missing a vital point here, you can't "prove" the quran as wrong because it's so vague that there will always be a way for apologists to weasel out of any conundrum with mental gymnastics. You can't reason with a muslim, reason never played a role in their faith.
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>>76176567
I fucked your wife last night
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>>76176201
>Is because he was unsure about what he wanted to do.
You explanation seems a bit convenient, and by virtue of it being a sufficient proof to invalidate any claim*, I'm calling bullshit on this one.
*cf. >>76175556

>>76176602
>you can't "prove" the quran as wrong
t. muslim apologist
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>>76176602
>2017
>being a quffar subhuman
You don't even need Muslims to prove the Quran to be right. 18th and 19th century German philosophers prove the Quran correct even better than most Muslims can. Like ubermensch Friedrich Nietszche does and even Hitler who states Islam as the master religion and Napoleon who wished the whole world will one day become united under Islam. If anything it's people like Nietszche/Hitler/Napoleon that made me more Islamic rather than other Muslims.
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>>76176211
Good thing I don't live anywhere near London or Birmingham
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>>76176602
>reason is prohibited
it's unironically true with the wahabbis/salafis/ those who worship bukhari and muslim
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>>76176631
You didn't even read what I wrote, all I'm saying is that there's no definitive clue that the quran is wrong because it's really, really vague and even the most bullshit verse can be twisted into scientific relevance. This doesnt make it true, if anything the vagueness is proof that it was written by fallible humans. Alas, indoctrination is the sixth pillar of islam. If only muslims realized that if this was god's word it would need to be defended all the time.
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>>76176525
Muhammad was from a prominent family, he was far from a peasant. In illiterate african societies there is a saying
>"When an old man dies, a library burns to the ground."
When there is a lack of written text story telling becomes much more important, and a good story teller does not have to be literate. He was by no means a dumb man, he was a capable man with good stage charisma so I am sure he knew what strings he was pulling. Most of the population being peasants did not harm either.
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>>76176709
>2017
>still believing in a magic sky fairy that farts universes into existence

Some people think islam is perfect, alright, how does that prove it's god's word?
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>>76176709
>a quffar
q is the wrong transliteration for kaf
it's "kuffar"
secondly "kuffar" is the plural i.e one cannot be a kuffar, he can be a kafir, while many can be kuffar

if you're gonna be a typical diasp*ra salafist at least invest a little time in quranic arabic you loudmouth fuck
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>>76174583
>brown girls are ugl-

whoa
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>>76176855
meh i heard this explanation before

>finland
so are you a somali or a k*rd?
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>>76176602
Looking for proof in religion is a fool's errand.

>>76176281
Not sure what point you're trying to get across here, because I am agreeing with your assessment.
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>>76176709
>muh hitler said islam was good so it has to be good
Hitler much like muhammad was a bombastic man with stage charisma, it's no wonder muhammads work would appeal to him. And why would it not? It seeks dominance, power and control. All very appealing things. Islam can be many things, one of those things being a tool for dominance, I can see the appeal in that.
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>>76176959
I fucking hate eastern meds, I wanna bludgeon them to death and cut their limbs off with a chainsaw
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>>76177044
ok, but what do tunisians have to do with eastern meds?
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>>76176983
Neither. /mena/ diaspora.
>meh i heard this explanation before
It's a fairly obvious conclusion so I am not surprised.
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>>76176905
Because only(most probable, small chance it's ayy lmaos) Allah could make something that perfect, especially in a time period when the opposite was the norm.

>desert tribal beta arabs are barbarians before Islam
>never into any relevancy
>always slaves to one empire or the other, whoever has conquered them atm
>suddenly Muhammad comes
>give them a book with rules
>says it's from Allah
>arabs follow those rules
>stop being barbarians and become alpha
>suddenly go from backwards savages to ubermensch alpha warriors and scientists and shiet
>rekt both global superpowers(Rome and Persia) with ease
>1000 year long Golden Age
>gets the world out of the dark ages
>Euros(the non-cucked ones) look back as it as the ubermensch religion
>Hitler even uses the same rules to bring Germany out of a great depression and into a superpower with their own little 10 year golden age and turn one of the most cucked beta losers into the most powerful army of alpha males
Regardless of if God is or isn't real, it really doesn't matter, but what does matter are these rules are correct and have stood the test of time and are real world proven in application. However Muhammad certainly did not come up with these rules, so it had to come from somewhere. It could have been aliens, time travelers, but Muhammad said it was the God of Abraham.
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>>76177102
They are all the same regardless of geography
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>>76176931
>implying anyone cares about latinization of arabic words
I'm also not a (((salafist))) or diaspora, I just work in America.
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>>76177016
That is what life is and has been for 2 billion years. The lions dominate over the zebra as Islam dominates over the wh*tey. The same way as one must be biologically superior so should one in mind. Those who are more powerful will live while the weak beta cucks will be naturally selected out of the gene pool.
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>>76176985
>Looking for proof in religion is a fool's errand.

what about the stuff on this site? http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/

some of it is evidently far fetched while some of it does make you ponder
>>76177122
well last i checked k*rds inhabited /mena/ anon. are you a mix between different arabic nationalities?
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>>76177131

Most "muslim" scientists were declared kuffar, then were either murdered or exiled. Stop romanticizing Islam, it's far from being a "perfect" system. Islam is incompatible with human rights and modern secular values, the only reason it proliferated back in the day was because of the death penalty for apostasy and the doctrine of Jihad.
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>>76177140
jewettes are cute
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>>76177165
it's not about transliteration it's about the fact that you have no idea what you're saying using plurals to describe singulars etc

you should stay in the U.S evidently you've assimilated to the rewarding culture that makes mentally impaired underachievers believe they are intelligent

the audacity to think you should have the right to an opinion is a travesty in itself.

fucking moron
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>>76177202
Christianity was just a tool for european expansionism too, when they did that they gained power and established themselves as the leading power in the world. Islam was a tool for arab expansionism. Hard values will always reign over soft values, I am not arguing against that. But actually believing the rhetoric is ridiculous, using it as a tool for your personal gain is fine, I guess. You should not get swept off your feet so easily, power and dominance will always appeal to people, that doesn't mean that you should believe anything you are told.
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>>76177239
In any given system there are an infinite amount of coincidences that do not necessarily translate into anything practical, useful, or meaningful. If you look for correlations long enough you will find things that seemingly fall into each other like cookie cutter on dough - and some will fit so perfectly you start to wonder if there is any causation at all. This too is a fallacy, but sometimes it can be used as a shortcut to finding important results, while on the other hand there are examples of these correlations used as mnemonics in various sciences that simply make you wonder what the hell is even going on.

If it is true, let be. If not, let be. I am positive, with enough sleuthing, you can find the answer to the Riemann Hypothesis by cross-comparing over Dr. Seuss' oeuvre with all the time in the universe. The question is whether it is practical, and whether its circuity is just a ploy to find more gullible readers.
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What the fuck is happening in Morocco?
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>>76177294
>the entire military of the Caliphate were declared kuffar
>every king was also declared kuffar
>all muslims were declared kuffar
>t. literal kuffar
How can subhuman headonists even compete?

>human rights
>(((secular values)))
Yep because girls can have penises, and homosexuality isn't a mental illness. No Islam was successful due to it's rules that were more in tune with the rules of nature. It brought out humans to their full human potential instead of suppressing humans and forcing them to be cucks under (((liberalism))) and faggotry. There is a reason Western civilization is collapsing after they abandoned traditional values in the 1960s.
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>>76177239
Specifics of my origin are irrelevant as I have stated before in this thread.
>some of it is evidently far fetched while some of it does make you ponder
That is due to the vagueness of the quran as this guy
>>76176851
Said. It's not a badly written or dictated book, the vagueness is actually a testament to the shrewdness of it's creator. It still is obviously not the infallible word of god.
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Remove kebab
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>>76177333
I'm an archaeologist with a Masters and specialize in Middle Eastern civilizations. It genuinely does not matter.
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>>76177239

You gotta visit a tafsir website and read an authentic exegesis like Al tabari or Ibn Kathir, basically muslims come up with bullshit interpretations after science discovers stuff to make it seem like the quran is scientifc. Most of these miracle claims fall apart with basic scrutiny.

If you're too lazy that, well, head to https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page and check out their refutations, they're pretty extensive.
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>>76176709
>Friedrich Nietszche does and even Hitler
These were dim-witted big-mouthed faggots though. Napoleon too, an overachieving manlet whose life revolved around compensating for how much of a bitch he was as a person.

>>76176851
>there's no definitive clue that the quran is wrong
Wow, Quran apologists out in full force today

>>76176931
I always find myself fight with my own autism when using foreign words like that. If I'm talking about nonbelievers, should I say kafirs, kafir, kuffar or kuffars ? Because the world already express plurality, will non-arabic speakers understand if i just say "kuffar" without an s ? I feel like I'm overdoing it if I write "kuffars"

>>76176985
dunno, I felt like venting
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Muslims will NEVER take Rome
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>>76177365
Except European colonialism was primarily funded by Jewish banks and no European peasants would reap the benefits of it. Christianity was also declining as colonialism grew with the power of the church decreasing with nations. The opposite for Islam whereas the empire grew as Islam grew and declined as Islam declined.
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>>76177474
>It brought out humans to their full human potential instead of suppressing humans and forcing them to be cucks
You do know what islam literally means? Muhammad cucked all of his peers by it. Also islam promotes complacency and servitude by the promise of paradise.
>>76177474
>There is a reason Western civilization is collapsing after they abandoned traditional values in the 1960s.
That reason is hyper individualism, they no longer cared about the community and that is why their community seems to be perishing. I get the appeal of some parts of islam, it still is obviously a sham.
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>>76177578
bro we're basically catholic ayyraps, we took rome centuries ago
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Why are african-americans so obsessed with ancient egypt? It was a shitty civilization, like all ancient middle eastern "civilizations"
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>>76177474

So slavery, death for apostasty, child marriage, concubines, abjuring logic and reason for blind faith brings us out to our full potential?

Sure, whatever you say, stay brainwashed.

>>76177548
I'm an exmuslim.
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>>76173991
why tunisia
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>>76177547
>wikiislam
Why is it that all these anti-Islam stuff comes from Zionist Jews, coincidence? Also it's easy to debunk this non-sense when you realize none of these people have degrees in Islamic history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Sina_(activist)#Stop_Islamization_of_Nations
>Other board members are Mordechai Kedar, an Israeli author
Oyyyyyyyyy veyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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The middle east would be a pleasant place with 5 star resorts instead of a war torn shithole if my race inhabited it instead of you inferior arabs
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>>76177548
Ok...
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Wow that's really creepy. Is that just the demographic makeup of the area, or is something going on there?

I feel so rotten right now about the world. Bad stuff keep on happening. I know it was worse in the olden days but I am tired of it.
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>>76177613
>Except European colonialism was primarily funded by Jewish banks
Ah I see. It wasn't european royals and nobles itching to get riches and power, it was goldman and sachs. Also the riches of the new world did raise european living standards a bit, though most of the gains went to those on the top.
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>>76177825
its just a poor social housing area
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Im just sitting back eating popcorn while watching menas kill each other, destroying their own country
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>/MENA/ is ruined by pointless religious arguments in which neither side wins or loses.
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>>76177525
then stop talking about islam lmao
>>76177547
i know, i've read a lot of it
>tfw reading "explanations" of quranic verses made me believe less because the audience to those imbeciles are clearly gullible, foolish people from a bygone era
it's hard to not hate the way people explain shit to you when the predisposition is that you're retarded
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>>76177904
>>76177800
>>76177713
>>76177578
>>76177512
Haitiano
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>>76177294
>Most "muslim" scientists were declared kuffar, then were either murdered or exiled.
More than half of the most known imams/ulemah were too at some point, genius. The ones who did all the banishing and condemning were political powers that didn't often concern themselves with piety and religion. Caliphs have a big tradition of banishing/locking up people who didn't lick their feet ans serve them, and guess what ? imams and scientists made up most of the alpha motherfuckers who refused to bend either religion or science to please a whiny faggot, and got locked up for it. This wasn't the doing of muslim imams because they coexisted despite belonging to different madahibs or milal; it was the tyrants above who are responsible.
>poonisian
>history
Why do fedora love to conveniently ignore that imams were locked up or killed just as frequently as scientists, if not more ? Proceed to educate yourself.

>>76177439
Why ?

>>76177525
Do you speak ME languages/dialects ?
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>>76177792
Why should the authors' background matter? Ad hominem much?
Show me one instance where wikiislam fails to substantiate any of its claims about islam.

You don't have to take their word for it either, they cite all their sources.
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>>76163938
>mfw I'm proud to be white for once
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>>76177865

Still had no idea poor Brits were so likely to be Muslim etc. I'm not an Islamaphobe btw and have zero issue with Muslims, just a surprise. Poor neighborhoods in USA are mostly Christian (Baptist I think).

There are a lot of sad things in the world.
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Imagine being a girl that posts on 4chan on saturday nights
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>>76165769
pretty much this
>be angloscum
>import niggers and muslims
>have to make up word for "normal people"
kys fucking anglos
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>>76178060
The term white was originally used by spanish colonists to separate themselves from native and african slaves
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>>76177716
There is nothing wrong with killing the weak. Also child marriages don't really exist, but biologically cucks are mentally programmed to be slaves, that is all they can do, apostasy or treason is obviously punished with death. Concubines would be to spread the genetics of alpha males, it naturally occurs in human society. Islam is literally the most logical, it's literally just the rules of nature applied to humans. For example with slavery, are McDonalds workers not slaves, if they weren't slaves what would they do? Starve? Commit crimes? They have ZERO skills that are useful in society. Logically we'd exterminate them but it's more productive to put them to work in low-skill labor and provide them basic sustenance.

You're literally a liberal cuck. Like a retard going around saying how it's "barbaric" that lions kill zebras without understanding the science of how the ecosystem works. I wouldn't even be Muslim and wasn't really religious until I saw how Islam was literally the rules of nature for humans.

According to Nietzsche's account, pity has a depressive effect, loss of vitality and strength, and is harmful to life. It also preserves that which should naturally be destroyed.

Imagine a cuck, seeing lions killing zebras. According to his "modern" cuckular values this shouldn't be. So he goes and stops all the lions from eating zebras. The lions eventually die out. The zebras start overpopulating. The zebras then eat all of the plants too fast due to their high population. The zebras then die out. All the animals that also ate those plants die out. The ecosystem in that area collapses and tons of life start to go extinct. This is the equivalent of what you cucks try to do with human civilization. Cuckular values are literally incompatible with nature. This is what Nietzsche talks about. Had it not been for cucks like you, humans would have evolved into ubermensch at an exponential rate as we predicted eugenics would do in the 1930s.
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>>76177973
yeah ibn taymiyya was so based and alpha
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Haitiano is having dialogues with himself
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>>76177547
>wikiislam

>>76177674
>Also islam promotes complacency and servitude by the promise of paradise.
Nothing wrong with bowing to the most rightful and most deserving lord, but I don't expect an angsty teen to be receptive about that.
>That reason is hyper individualism, they no longer cared about the community and that is why their community seems to be perishing.
So, they abandoned traditional values. You know, the ones promoted by religion.
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>>76178182
Who are you talking to?
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>>76177716
This thread has become a shit show but there was no death for apostasy also slavery is a complicated one
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>>76177841
>>76177841
>banks didn't exist in the 15th century
That is unironically true. Most people didn't want to go colonize since there were no profits or capital. So (((banks))) would provide them credit to do so. In the end nobody could compete with these colonial overlords.
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>>76178004

Looked it up too the poorest religions in USA are: Historically Black Protestant, Jehovah's Witness, Religious "Nones", Catholic and Buddhist.
The richest are Jewish, Hindu, Atheist, Orthodox and Agnostic.

Muslims are inbetween.

>>76178104

Nah BS pretty sure Spanish would have said "Blanco".
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>>76177937
Islam is a part of Middle Eastern archaeology.

>>76177973
To some degree for identifying markings and what regions artifacts originate from.
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>>76178227
About (You)
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>talking to someone from H*iti
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>>76178327
And who the fuck are you
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>>76177986
Because this website has already been proven to be just "fake news" being funded by Zionist organizations.

For example please show me one person in these organizations that have a Masters or PhD in Islamic history?

But one example of them being retards would be very simple. For example their claims on terrorism being Islamic. To which PhD Bernard Lewis(world's leading scholar on Islam) states

>Muslim fighters are commanded not to kill women, children, or the aged unless they attack first; not to torture or otherwise ill-treat prisoners; to give fair warning of the opening of hostilities or their resumption after a truce; and to honor agreements. ... At no time did the classical jurists offer any approval or legitimacy to what we nowadays call terrorism. Nor indeed is there any evidence of the use of terrorism as it is practiced nowadays."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lewis#Views_on_Islam_and_debates_with_Edward_Said

Also they definitely do not source any of their claims. >pic related is a good pic on them
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>>76178306
You should have stopped doing that along time ago, now you're going to have legal problems
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>>76178327
This

Only a retard would engage me
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You dun goofed
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>>76178194
These kuffar will complain that evolution promotes genocide(they unironically call it "scientific racism") baka
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>>76178428
*throws dirt cookies*
shoo shoo
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>>76178428
>>76178400
hmmmmmm....
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>>76178429
You did, yesterday, now I can sue you misappropriation of my identity
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>>76178389

I HATE Islamaphobia in general, made this pic the other day. Its like isn't there enough hate in the world?
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>>76178105
That's a terrible analogy, there's nothing wrong with lions killing zebras. Hell, some animals even kill their weak and that's perfectly fine. But we're human, we're not beasts. We have empathy. I believe in personal liberties and equal rights because depriving someone of their right to live is untenable through sheer empathy alone, which is a virtue you show no sign of posessing. This doesnt make you "alpha". You're literally a psychopath. It follows naturally that a psychopath would be attracted to the fucking barbaric death cult that is islam.
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>>76178468
nigger slave
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>>76178552
>shakes you up
>millions die
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>>76178511
Muslims need to stop being cucks desu and man up. Like they do in Checnya. The worst part is how these buzzfeed Muslims try to appease liberals and accept LGBTQRST like homosexuality isn't a mental illness.
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>>76178194
>Nothing wrong with bowing to the most rightful and most deserving lord
If that lord does not exist and is used as a tool by religious "scholars" to gain power over people then there is something wrong about it.
>>76178194
>So, they abandoned traditional values. You know, the ones promoted by religion.
Abadoning religion does not necessarily mean you have to become a cuck (though in the west that seems to be the case). For example china threw away religion and did not become cucks. Sure communism was used as a stick to beat the people but it seemed to have paid off.
>>76178245
People could get riled up by the idea of spreading chistianity and the possible riches were appealing to many, europeans were not the turbo cucks they are today back then. For example christopher columbus was funded by the spanish crown. But give me examples of jewish banker backed expeditions, I am genuinely curious.
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>>76168090
all you see is bbc
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>>76178598
Why don't you just leave me alone and let me shitpost in peace? Youve ruined your life, im just a nonentity, you don't know me, I dont know why you're willing to have legal problems over a stranger
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>>76177547
Look wikiislam is the equivalent of me using a neo nazi website to talk about the talmud but I have skimmed over some articles over that website there was one I remember were they just implied something in a verse that at least to me was a weird interpretation of a verse and there was a much more obvious one another one which sticks out to me much more was about the gospel and the fact it's called injeel in the quran which means good news. So they tried to imply that since Muslims don't believe that jesus is god that there is no good news but to me this is the most obvious either knowingly or ignorantly mistake since Muslims consider Isa as the messiah the good news is obvious the fact that he is the messiah I can't trust that source after that simple mistake. http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Injil here is the link it's credibility is weak after this
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>>76178605

I think its important for people, regardless of religion, to be peaceful and accepting of each other. LGBT have a long long history in Islam too, they should feel welcomed in their own communities. You don't have to believe in gay marriage but be loving.

Nobody would want to live in Checnya right now. If that's "man up" the world can use more women imho.
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>>76178715
I'm not gonna have legal problems child porn poster. Get help lol.
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>>76178605
They will stop being cucks the moment they think their numbers have grown enough so they can win. You are mistaking a wolf as a sheep just because it has a white fluffy coat.
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>>76177932
>neither side wins

>>76177239
>>76177433
guys, hear me out
guys it's real quick, just a few seconds
are you with me ? pay attention, shit's about to get real
ok, are you ready ? guys
look, if you take Surat Al Hadid, alright ? You know the one
it's named after the 25th verse, right ? ok get ready
but you know, it's not ok to read a surah without the basmallah beforehand, right ?
I mean it's just a matter of respect nomsaying
so if you add the basmalah before, then it's verse #26 are you with me ?
ARE YOU WITH ME ?
k try to keep up
Some scholars (raa) say that Fatiha shouldn't be considered the first chapter of Quran, because you know, prefaces and shit don't count as such
and that's what it is: an introduction, not a chapter
So it's like chapter 0, nomsayin ?
right
So Surat Al Hadid isn't chapter #57, the correct number is actually 56
ok ok
So get ready, are you ready ?
>iron
>26
>56
BOOOOOOOM *micdrop*
Mashallah, truly, this is a miracle.
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>>76178542
Humans are animals, they are in the animalia family. All mammal have empathy even lions. It's the same way humans kill cows, chickens and enslave dogs and cats. Your beliefs are incompatible with nature and reality and will not survive the next 100 years. Whereas the rules of the strong dominating over the weak, is a rule that has existed for over 2 billion years and will always exist. This is literally the definition of alpha ubermensch.

>Why did Christianity trample down the culture of Islam? "...[B]ecause Islam was noble, because it owed its origin to manly instincts, because it said Yes to life even in the rare and exquisite treasures of Moorish life!"[66] The Crusades were "higher piracy."[66] "For in itself there should be no choice in the matter when faced with Islam and Christianity, as little as there should when faced with an Arab and a Jew. The decision is given in advance; no one is free to choose here. One either is Chandala or one is not. War to the knife with Rome! Peace and friendship with Islam!". "...I can't grasp how a German could ever have felt Christian."[66]
-based ubermensch man(Nietszche)

The greatest nations and empires and people in the history of the world including the non-Muslim ones accepted these rules. In Islam we are taught to be caretakers of the earth, not humanity. Weakness is a cancer to life and harmful to the earth. Look at these kuffur polluting and destroying the world thinking it is their liberty to destroy life. Should a storm not wipe them out and only allow the strong from among them to arise and benefit the earth? Life has been progressing for 2 billion years and you're trying to put a stop to it. In the end only your kind will fail.
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>>76178841
Yes, you will for defamation. You've ruined your own life over a complete stranger.
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>>76178907
animalia kingdom*
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>>76178918
elaborate i'm not in the loop
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>>76178848
What are you own about? buzzfeed Muslims are Americans not like Europe I honestly don't know what the fuck is going on over there it's like we live in different dimensions why are Europeans so at assimilating others ?
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KOME
>>76178993
>>76178993
>>76178993
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>>76178731
Homosexuality is literally a mental illness? Should they not be purged to remove weakness from society?

>Zietsch, B. P., Verweij, K. J., Heath, A. C., Madden, P. A., Martin, N. G., Nelson, E. C., & Lynskey, M. T. (2012). Do shared etiological factors contribute to the relationship between sexual orientation and depression?. Psychological medicine, 42(3), 521.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3594769/
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>>76178877
#illuminati
on a serious note all these french diasp*ra flags confuse me, at least one is an adamant salafist the others fedora.

and apparently tn/alg became isis, whereas 2 years ago he was a literal atheist according to himself
what the fuck is even going on in france? sup with the radical epiphanies
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>>76178721
Hows this
>Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood: S92 v2
Also the qurans view on alcohol is very curious. When muhammad did not have much power the quran was much more lenient towards it
> O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through [a place of prayer], until you have washed [your whole body]. And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands [with it]. Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. S4 v43
But later when muhammad gains power alcohol becomes absolutely haram
>O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. S5 v90
"god" apparently decided to take a stricter view on alcohol all of a sudden, and it correlates with the time muhammad had gained more power and could enforce stricter rules. Was god not certain the first time around? There is a school of thought that believes that newer verses supercede the older ones but that sounds very strange to me, were the previous words of god false?
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>>76178301
So you wouldn't happen to know anything about how Islam affected the evolution of Arabic ? Or does this fall under the category of linguistics rather than archaeology ?

>>76178624
>If that lord does not exist and is used as a tool by religious "scholars" to gain power over people then there is something wrong about it.
Yeah, as opposed to every other non-religious form of economical and political power ? We don't hear you complain much when it comes to those.
Also if said religious scholars (any other supposedly ill-intentioned enemy) used your loved ones to gain power over you, does that mean there is something wrong about your loved ones too ?
>For example china threw away religion and did not become cucks
This is my last reply to you.

>>76178721
I love how, every time there's room for interpretation in a verse or doubt on the authenticity of a hadith, you can be sure that wikiislam will systematically
>reject any positive hadith because of the slightest doubt
>accept any negative hadith despite its highly disputed nature
>lean towards the most cruel and nonsensical interpretation
Like fucking clockwork, they don't even try to hide it. This is more bad faith than a salty ex can ever show ffs.
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>>76178955
Because europe encourages them creating their own societies outside of general society. See the green/leftist journalist want their ethnic restourants but they don't want to be around non-whites. So they start to pack them in sub-urbs (remember, in europe sub-urbs tend to be the poorer regions not like in the states) where they will be around mostly their countrymen and will never assimilate to the general public. Denying the right to use sharia law is literal genocide, that is why many western european countries have sharia courts where muslim can solve civil matters.
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>>76179347
Alcohol was always meant to be haram. It's just that unlike kuffar, Allah knew how to approach this situation. You cannot just ban drugs or alcohol immediately. Because it is biological addiction and people cannot instantly get off it. You need to slowly get rid of it.

So first the Quran put restrictions on alcohol. You can drink it but not before prayer. Then only on certain days, then on weekends, then special occasions and then finally banned. This happened over the course of years and generations and was done several times by caliphs to get rid of drug problems. It's basically how people get rid of their addictions today except they did it on the scale of a nation.

Infact we'd do a similar thing today for drug problems plaguing the world. We would first legalize it then slowly restrict it over time so people can get off their addictions.

t. masters in Islamic history
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>>76179433
> We don't hear you complain much when it comes to those
I am against all forms of blind faith. The state should never dictate what people are allowed to think or say. I used china and communism as an example that non-religiousness does not equate into being a cuck. But the communist party represses the peoples freedom of speech and has used force to crackdown on it. I am strongly against that.
>Also if said religious scholars (any other supposedly ill-intentioned enemy) used your loved ones to gain power over you, does that mean there is something wrong about your loved ones too ?
Yes. I don't know why you would think I thought otherwise
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>>76179433
I don't specialize in linguistics, but linguistics is apart of archaeology. It's just that some people on the team specialize in certain fields like history, and others on the team specialize in chemistry or linguistics or geography etc... So if I'm digging something up and need help I ask the linguistic, or if someone on the team needs help identifying certain symbols and architectures they'd call me. Chemists would be carbon dating and advise on what materials to use when digging up old artifacts so you don't damage them or expose them to the oxygen if they are reactive to the air.
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>>76179545
>Alcohol was always meant to be haram
I know, but muhammad did not have the power to enforce it so he did a temporary measure.
>You cannot just ban drugs or alcohol immediately
God would not contradict himself nor let the peoples pettiness alter his judgement. The way quran handles the banning of alcohol is strong proof that it was made up by muhammad to shape society into his liking.
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>>76176567
Ofc it isn't, the good guys left
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>>76179619
>state should never dictate what people are allowed to think or say
>bees and ants(super organisms) don't have superior hierarchies and aren't more efficient because everyone does what the hive(state) says.

The idea here is to make a great civilization with a great economy and technological advances. You can't do that with selfish greedy cucks who only care about themselves. This wouldn't be blind faith, it would be accepting certain rules in Islam as indisputable facts that are shared with natural law. For example women are weaker than men, this is a biological fact. Or that humans are genetically programmed to be obediently towards an alpha male, this is observed in all mammals like wolves and in women. It's just that your notions of "freedom" are an illusion that biology does not agree with.
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>>76179545
Actually alcohol isn't haram, being drunk is
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>>76179723
Even if he did have the power he couldn't since it was Allah who was commanding him. Even if Allah didn't command him, there would be no point in doing so since it would not cure anyones addiction to get rid of alcohol that fast.

>strong proof
Are you retarded? Did you even read what I said. Alcohol was always gonna be banned. It's just that there are biological limits to these things. You cannot instantly ban alcohol or else you're gonna end up like Prohibition America with people doing it illegally. You have to do it slowly to get it out of people's culture and cure it in small steps. This is not a contradiction you retard.
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>>76179804
It does not have to be so black and white. The state can not dictate everything, however the state can demand certain things from it's citizens to keep society flowing peacefully. But there are personal matters that make no differance and the state should not intervene in those.
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>>76179807
Alcohol is haram. Anything that harms your body is haram. It's like saying drinking bleach isn't haram, getting poisoned by it is. You can use anti-septic alcohol for medical treatment i.e to clean infections since that is intended to help you.
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>>76179904
>allah contradicted himself since he did not want people to cut cold turkey
You apologists are incredible.
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>>76179953
Everything makes a difference in a state, even personal matters. Does Hillary Clintons or Trump's personal life not matter? If a person decides to commit a crime does his personal life not play into that? Do divorces and adultery not result in nontraditional families that raise the next generation of criminals?
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>>76179461
Do you know the situation on how these verse's were released? I don't remember the details but the first verse was revealed after somebody did salah while he was drunk and he messed up the Surat/ayah then that verse got revealed. An argument could be made like this :
Allah knew people that they weren't ready for the complete ban but that Allah had to set the initial restriction to protect people's salah/spirituality in general then after when the people were ready Allah gave the complete ban

Also if you give me verses from the first couple of chapter's I might know more since I used to go to halaqa and I went through like the first 10
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>>76180043
>Do divorces and adultery not result in nontraditional families that raise the next generation of criminals?
The raising of criminals might be a little correlated with that, however other things far outweigh those. Say the white/black differance in crime in the us, single mother statistics don't even come close to covering it.
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>>76179992
>ignoring facts this hard
I have a Masters in Islamic history, whereas you're getting your claims from literal fake news websites. No where did I even apologize for anything. I simply explain the reasons for this and that you retards who have never studied at an actual university made an error in your assumptions about these verses. There is a reason the people that make these claims do not have degrees in Islamic history.
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>>76180099
90% of criminals in US prisons were raised by single mothers. Women/Men who do not wait till marriage and commit adulterery are more likely to be single moms. It's a huge correlation. Esspecially among blacks who don't even have fathers.

There are tons of studies on these
>Antecol, H., & Bedard, K. (2007). Does single parenthood increase the probability of teenage promiscuity, substance use, and crime?. Journal of Population Economics, 20(1), 55-71.
Chicago

>Eisenberg, L. (1962). The sins of the fathers: urban decay and social pathology. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, 32(1), 5.
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>>76180061
>Indeed, Allah does not do injustice, [even] as much as an atom's weight; while if there is a good deed, He multiplies it and gives from Himself a great reward. S4 40
>So how [will it be] when We bring from every nation a witness and we bring you, [O Muhammad] against these [people] as a witness? S4 41
>That Day, those who disbelieved and disobeyed the Messenger will wish they could be covered by the earth. And they will not conceal from Allah a [single] statement. S4 42
And the whole thing can be found
https://quran.com/4
Also for the other verse
https://quran.com/5
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>>76180387
? I'm lost what are these verses showing?
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>>76180249
A whole family unit makes for a more stable and better society, I am not arguing against that. The lack of value for parenthood and ultra individualism that supercedes at times even the childs wellbeing are things that have caused damage in the west. Islam is not the cure for it though.
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>>76180460
Nothing he's retarded
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>>76180460
They don't really address alcohol in the sura before verse 43. In short the verses in sure 4 before the alcohol one talk about doing good deeds, following the prophet not being stingy how allah rewards good deeds etc. In sure 5 the verses before the alcohol one talk about all the food,drink and deeds allah has made halal. That's more or less a tldr: version of the verses immediately before the verses I cited in my original message.
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>>76180494
Certainly wh*tey won't get Islam, we wouldn't want to stop them from getting cuck'd by Muslims. But Islam cures these problems. These problems even existed during the time of Muhammad, and he turned those slooots and yolo chads into housewifes and honorable warriors who built a great alpha empire.

Selfishness and headonism are intrinsic parts of Western culture, naturally they will get the problems these causes until they stop those things and start being more traditional.
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>>76180640
No I mean what was going on real life when the verses were revealed I already sorta told you what happened on the first one and why the first verse was revealed (There was a prayer the one who was reciting it was drunk and he messed up the salat) I don't know what happened on the second one
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>>76180518
If you are not lying and actually have a "degree" in islamic apologetics I can kind of get your cognitive dissonance, I have seen it in real life all too many times.
>Even if he did have the power he couldn't since it was Allah who was commanding him. Even if Allah didn't command him, there would be no point in doing so since it would not cure anyones addiction to get rid of alcohol that fast.
Do you honestly not see that every time allah orders something it is at muhammads convenience? Can you really not connect the dots?
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>>76180640
See
>>76179904
Here's a citation to that from an actual credible source by people who have degrees in these things

>Matthee, R. (2014). Alcohol in the Islamic middle east: Ambivalence and ambiguity. Past & Present, 222(suppl 9), 100-125.
https://academic.oup.com/past/article-abstract/222/suppl_9/100/1537890/Alcohol-in-the-Islamic-Middle-East-Ambivalence-and?redirectedFrom=fulltext
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>>76180737
I have not looked into that so I can't really give you an answer. I have mainly been trying to stay on the quran since the hadiths are a whole other ball game.
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>>76180811
>You do not currently have access to this article.
Anyhow I am not talking about alcohol in /mena/ cultures I am talking about alcohol in the quran. I do know alcohol was and still is drank in /mena/ areas quite a bit.
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>>76179669
Now I remember why I wanted to be an archaeologist when I was a kid. It's so fucking cool.

>>76179545
>n-no
>you're wrong
>if Allah was real, he would've banned alcohol directly
>it wouldn't have worked, which is what the argument that Mohammad was the one to do is is based on
>but in this argument, the supposedly omniscient entity that created the universe isn't as good as Muhammad at handling people. It would just ban it like a retard, which wouldn't work
>ergo, this is proof that Mohammad made everything up
Fedoras call this "logic" and "rational arguments".
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>>76179347
>>Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood: S92 v2

I'm not a doctor or whatever but I found this heavily sourced website take it as you will not saying it's 100% correct

http://quran-errors.blogspot 2013/11/ re-wikiislam-scientific-error-blood .html add the co . uk 4chan blocking as spam
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>>76180963
Login with your university account. It's from Oxford so all Euros should have access. It talks about what I just explained about the step by step process in curing addictions. Search it up in your online uni library, they should have a copy.

Overall here are the 3 verses in question,

Surah 2:219

They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder

Then....

Surah 4:43

O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say.....

Then....

Surah 5:90

O ye who believe ! wine and the game of chance and idols and divining arrows are only the abomination of Satan's handiwork. So shun each one of them that you may prosper

Here are two more, you just copy it in APA format to find it easier.
>Javed, A. (2005). Sahri'ah: How Did it Successfully Prohibit Consumption of Alcohol. J. Islamic St. Prac. Int'l L., 1, 66.
>Baasher, T. (1981). The use of drugs in the Islamic world. British journal of addiction, 76(3), 233-243.
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>>76181285
is this a pro-muslim or an (((anti-muslim))) site?
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>>76181482
pro muslim
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>>76181285
Also one thing to think about is the fact that miscarriages happen so that has given people knowledge about what a human fetus looks like, it's not like people knew nothing about anatomy or human development before modern science.
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Here are some screenshots from the paper
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.1981.tb00230.x/full
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>>76182378
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