Why doesn't this country have a name?

>>75952072
Reminder that Germany is nothing without the EU.

>>75952072
stfu

>>75952072
What is united States of awesome sweaty

>united states
>united kingdom
>new zealand
wtf anglos?

Idiot.

It's named that because, it's the United STATES of America, AKA the united states that are united, that are on the continent of America.

We call ourselves Americans you dumb fucking kraut.

We should've finished krauts off after WW2

They tried to have a name once. It was called the continental states of america.

I'm not native american at all, so I call myself american, or if you want to get larpy family history about it I'm irish-english american. You'll find all kinds of blends in certain states liek CA or NY, where people are half english and 12% polish or some shit.

It's basically "ethnicity" - "nationality" here.

Usasians even name their cites after European ones

You sound like a South American lel.

>>75952296
>I call myself american
I'm european, because I'm from Europe.
You're american, because you're from America.

Makes sense, but I didn't mean on a continental but rather on a country level.

>>75952233
What would happen if Canada and Mexico unite? Would they be the united states of America as well?

>>75952296
>it's basically ethnicity - nationality here.

NO IT ISN'T
STOP THIS FUCKING MEME
ANYONE THAT FUCKING PUTS THEIR ETHNICITY FIRST NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THEIR HOME COUNTRY
Your worse than muslim """refugees""" in Europe when it comes to assimilating.'

>>75952545
Are you a fucking retard?

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>>75952233
America is a CONTINENT.

>>75952607
>Your worse than
>Your
Are you fucking retarded?

>>75952607
Wow dude you sound kinda butthurt

I'm telling him what the general rhetoric is here. I don't run around telling everyone I come from irish and english people who moved here.

I'll tell you what I do see though is people with a drop of native american blood and suddenly they're applying to live on reserves and gambling their savings away at the local casino.

>>75952072
wait
why the fuck is the first stripe white?

>>75952545
I know what you meant. I was making a civil war joke.

Funny enough that part of the united states probably cares most out of anyone about their ethnic heritage and they actually supported nazi germany on its rise to power because a ton of germans were living there.

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>of America
WTF I hate united statians now

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>>75952296
>Continental States of America
looks REALLY cool honestly

>>75952136
>>75953273
Can your cunts please unite?

>>75952373
It's a sound argument, but when we say it, "you're only saying that because you are a butthurt south american". It also makes sense because when Americans are abroad and we ask them where they are from, they usually say the name of the state or city, instead of USA, indicating possibly a lack of national identity, or maybe just an identification stronger with the state rather than the country.

Why do other americans not from the united states need a special snowflake name? They shiuld kust call themselves american

>>75953783
*should just

>>75953758
>they usually say the name of the state or city, instead of USA, indicating possibly a lack of national identity
That's surprisingly true... Why didn't I notice this before?
>inb4 German identity crysis

>>75952072
Feel free to learn all fifty states and identify us with them instead. It's really for your convenience so don't complain.

>>75953906
>Feel free to learn all fifty states and identify us with them instead.
I do already, maybe not so much the stereotypes of smaller states, but I know more than you know about west european stereotypes, which is much easier, because our countries have names...

>>75952072
Because they're not a fucking country, they're a federation of independent states under a common federal government.
And those states have their own names.
They're what European Union will be in the next 30-40 years if EU doesn't fall apart due to national sentiment.

Christ Germans are dense.

>>75953783
Because nebraskan and idahoan aren't ethnicities and it's disingenuous to say you're native american when actual native americans exist and are like 1% of our population.

It's the difference of askign someone what their ethnicity is and what their nationality is. We're just a weird country like that ever since 1965. We're not like super inbred like some of the other commonwealths and claims a particular ethnicity because of it.

>>75954084
Germany is a federal republic of states too. I doubt theirs are anywhere near as autonomous as ours however.

>>75954180
and can claim*

>>75954084
Their government model is exactly like ours from our republican days. If the USA isn't a country due to it being a federation than neither are we.

>>75954231
why do you think entire planet calls you Holland and not "The Netherlands"?

>>75954231
The Kingdom of the Netherlands even consists of four full blown countries, while the Netherlands itself consists of provinces which used to be called states.

Our parliament and senate combined is called The States General. The senate represents the states while the parliament represents the people.

>>75952233
Argentinians live in the american continent, and are therefore americans
your country's name is so lame, as much as United Arab Emirates

>>75954212
In the Netherlands the provinces have the exact same powers as the national government, as long as they don't contradict the laws of the national government.

Same goes for cities. Cities have the exact same powers as the national government, as long as they don't contradict the laws of the national government.

>>75952233
So what? Mexico is also a bunch of united states on the continent of america. Get a real name fags

>>75954703
City laws can't contradict provincial laws either. Obviously.

>>75952373
Kinda funny that you're responding with such a statement, while >>75953758
is able to give a good explanation.

>>75954718
So you're the united states of America? Interesting...

>>75954212
Every fucking federal state works like that. Ever heard of the HRE, or the Dutch Republic?

>>75954084
>Because they're not a fucking country, they're a federation of independent states under a common federal government.
Is this a joke? A common federal government is exactly what makes a country.
Following your logic, no federal countries are actual countries, which includes brasil, mexico, germany, and others

I suggest a new name: shartinmartistan
Weimerica
Obesiopia

>>75954871
>Following your logic, no federal countries are actual countries, which includes brasil, mexico, germany, and others
they aren't.

>>75954894
Lol ok
Go to bed Polaski

It's not a nation-state, so it's hard to pick a name to it.
Plus if they even get some now, the paperwork would be immense.
So fuck off with autism, m8.

>>75954776
Who's 'you'? I'm portuguese m8

Lets gave burgers a real name

>>75954983
I intended to also click on >>75953273 because of my post >>75953756, but must have misclicked... Don't know what happened...

Columbia would be the closest to the kind of name you're looking for. In the 18 and 19 centuries, other countries referred to the USA as Columbia in the same context that the UK would be called Britannia.

>>75955310
But Columbus was looking for India and found your continent instead. This makes you Indians, or not?

>>75955531
That's what we call our natives

There are two kind of countries my friend:
Those with names and those who sent the man to the moon

>>75955531
That would be like everyone not Greek referring to themselves as Barbarian.

>>75955700
Thank you named american

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>>75955700
>implying

>>75952545
>What would happen if Canada and Mexico unite? Would they be the united states of America as well?

If they became US states, yes. Otherwise they would probably be protectorates like Puerto Rico or Guam, AKA "sort of states but not really."

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>>75952072
Germany is literally named "Federal Republic of [fuzzy geographical region]". You country doesn't even cover all of what is historically and culturally included in the geographical concept of Germany.

>>75956235
>[fuzzy geographical region]
Nah man it's the "People's land", that's why all the immigrants want to go there

>>75952072
lol stupid g*rm subhuman

>>75956235
It's still a better suited name m8.
When you think of it, pretty much all countries in Europe are named 'land of' followed by a generic vague description of the area or the people that lived there.
Only exception I can think of right now may be Portugal.

>>75953758
the US always thought state > federal government

>>75955531
are you actually retarded

>>75955310
That's literally the same thing as America, you're just replacing one explorer for another.
Plus, it is and was already the name of another country.
Dumb yankees at it again.

I hereby christen thee Burgerland.

>>75956945
It has a nice ring to it.

>>75956931
1.) Colombia was not a country yet. District of Columbia predates Colombia's independence.
2.) Colombia is not Columbia. I knew some faggot was going to mix this up.
3.) I merely stated facts that you could look up and verify.

Why are Unitedstatians / Shartinmartians so butthurt in this thread?

>>75958330
you sound like the butthurt one

>>75952233
Australia is 6 united states on the continent of Australia. Why don't we call ourselves the Unites States of Australia

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>>75952296
>I'm not native american at all, so I call myself american, or if you want to get larpy family history about it I'm irish-english american. You'll find all kinds of blends in certain states liek CA or NY, where people are half english and 12% polish or some shit.
>It's basically "ethnicity" - "nationality" here.

>>75958246
Gran Colombia was already a thing.
Just name it after some English explorer or something, jeez.

>>75958557
Why don't you??

>>75958557
You do actually, except Australia isn't the continent but the landmass.

>>75958640
Australia is the continent

>>75958583
2/10 australia where's the argument?

Everyone in america has a snowflake attitude we know this already.

>>75958861
I'm not arguing just laughing you dumb fuck

>>75958703
The continent is either Oceania or Sahul, depending on what language you speak.

>>75958921
Oceania is the region, not the continent

>>75958917
kek

>>75958958
>depending on what language you speak
Oceania is continent in Spanish

>>75958958
In my language that region is a continent. In english, it's Sahul.

>>75952072
they call themselves americans because they are from united states of america anon-kun 0: no one else in the american continent refers to themselves as americans as europeans refer to themselves as european because americans have pretty much taken that title for themselves and they seem content with that

>>75959026
literally never heard of Sahul, we say the continent is Australia or Australinea

>>75959213
Probably wrong, since you assume bigger landmass = continent, when in reality bigger landmass + the other landmasses = continent

It's like us calling ourselves united states of asia, saying we are asianz when someone asks for nationality fucking kek this is ridiculous. Come on united statesians, get a real name. Every real real country has like 10 different names in different languages xD

>>75952072
Fuck you. Your name rules don't apply to us. We do what we want.

Svearike
Konungarilet sverige
Svea
Svealand
Svitjod

Sweden has 5 names for itself, yet america has no name? Wew.

>>75952072
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet

>>75952072
why don't you read more about the American Revolution before you talk shit about our country's name.

>>75959621
>the world's country naming system doesn't apply to us
>the world's date formatting system doesn't apply to us
>the world's length measuring system doesn't apply to us
>the world's weight measuring system doesn't apply to us
>the world's volume measuring system doesn't apply to us
>the world's temperature measuring system doesn't apply to us
>>75958861

>>75959888
Yeah, all of that applies, and we're doing fine.
Don't like it? Stop us.

>>75959929
You're on the best way of stopping yourself with your political issues...

>>75952072
There were 13 colonies fighting against the British in the American Revolution.
since they declared their independence, they were no longer colonies. So they were called states instead.
All 13 were United in fighting the British for their country.
Finally the continent was North America, thus America.
That's basically how the United States of America got it's name.
>As a follow up question, what do citizens of this country call themselves?
American.
No other nation in the Americas calls themselves American. hell, some even get offended if you call them that.

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>>75952233
this is not even an argument this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard, i'll keep this retard reply.

This can be explained by comparing it to the formation of the German Empire.

The demonym "German" had been in use since the Romans identified the area as "Germania". The Germans called themselves "Deutsche" and it naturally came to be that they inhabited "Deutsche Staaten" which would eventually become "Deutschland". "Deutsch" has its roots in a old Germanic word for people so their country literally means "Country of People".

The United States was on a new continent and was inhabited by many different peoples from all across Europe and indigenous tribes. They identified by their ethnicity and colony (eg Virginia, Maryland etc) but what united them all when it came to fighting the United Kingdom was that they were "American". When the colonies united to fight in the Revolution they were no longer English, but rather they were Americans belonging to different colonies which would eventually become united states.

We originally intended to conquer the entire continent when we named our cunt.

>>75952072
The 13 colonies formed an alliance to fight the British, and were meant to be a union of mostly-independent states according to the Articles of Confederation, but that system crashed and burned almost immediately. So even though the government changed, the name stuck.

>>75952072
OP are you a fucking retard? IT'S A NAME! And it's our name! No one else has that name but us, and it works with us due to our history where we united to kick brit ass. Also let's be honest, think of America and you INSTANTLY think of USA. Fucking even the leafs and mexicans say they hate Americans and are talking about USA. We're NUMBER ONE BABY!

>>75960853
>No one else has that name but us.

did u know that an entire continent has that name?

>>75952072
>those stripes
Because that country doesn't exist. Where did you find such a silly picture and why did you think it would be a good idea to post it?

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>>75955310
>Columbia
i understand now

>>75960573
Logical answer.
>>75960622
Actual answer.

>>75958605
No it wasn't. D.C was founded in 1790.
Gran Colombia as founded in 1821.
None of Spain's colonies were independent before the US.

>>75961132
>yfw this game is based on the timeline where Trump wins 200 years earlier

>>75960622
Thomas Jefferson never visioned that the United States would extend past the Mississippi River.

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Friendly reminder that this is what should've been.

>>75961443
>El CHI norteño jugando a ser gringo

>>75961443
>Polk wanted the shitty part of Mexico
Figures, damn democrats

>>75961508
>Implying America wouldn't make it the not shitty part.

>>75961443
>still calling it the Gulf of Mexico

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>>75961508
It wouldn't have been the shitty part of Mexico if America annexed it
>>75961458
I'm white, Paco

>>75961599
Is that skin cancer?

>>75961599
Right it would just be an extension to the shitty parts of the u.s.

>>75953758
>indicating possibly a lack of national identity, or maybe just an identification stronger with the state rather than the country.

That's pretty much it. We've always been like that.

Back before the Civil War, it was even more like that. States were practically sovereign nations (and some, like Texas, literally were independent nations) with their own laws, governments, and militaries (state-funded militias that basically just mostly served their state, with service to the nation generally taking a distant second place). Back in the day, there were actual raids, border skirmishes, and petty armed conflicts between state militias. Like states sending war parties and raiding each other was actually a thing that happened. People overwhelmingly identified with their state rather than with the US as a whole.

The Reconstruction Era (the period following the Civil War) brought unification, and by the 1890s most people actually started thinking of themselves as "American," but state identity is still extremely important, and for a fairly significant percentage of people takes precedence over national identity. We also tend to be very distrustful of the federal government and to trust/identify with state governments a bit more.

There's also the fact (that often gets overlooked in these arguments) that America isn't a single continent in English. In English, of course, it's the Americas, divided into North and South America. So I mean it's not just us. Hell Canadians get downright salty when you call them American.

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Why not let them call themselves Americans? Nobody even uses the term America to refer to the entire fucking continent unless they want to whine about the US' lack of name, anyways.

Let them have this.

>>75962511
I'll kick your ass mexico watch me

>>75954356
>>75954231
Wtf I love the Dutch now

>>75952755
stay out of this site

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>>75952296
>muh heritage

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>>75962538
Bring it on

The Thirteen Colonies weere originally crown possessions (some of which even had their royal charters revoked and were administered directly by the crown). They were fully and wholly a constituent part of England and then Britain, there was no distinction made at the time between the two save the geography. In fact the Founding Fathers would often allude to how their rights as Englishmen had been insult or aggrieved. Applying modern nationalist ideas to the circumstances of the mid-18th Century is a mistake. The overwhelming majority of the people saw themselves as Englishmen or British subjects in revolt.
The "United States" part is quite interesting, though. Initially those colonies in rebellion were not one country, and the Congress suffered immense difficulty getting them to play nice with each other. When they finally managed to force themselves into a fledgling union of sorts, it was seized upon for propaganda purposes to show that they were one united front rather than a patchwork of colonies. It's hard to imagine today but the extreme libertarian attitudes at the time led people to believe the "union" was only for the purposes of winning a war. There were many leading politicians and not a few of the Founding Fathers who thought the US Constitution itself was a mistake because it abrogated the sovereignty of the individual states, and there was a quite real possibility at the time that the union may have broken down over it.

>>75953758
This is very much true despite what "patriots" think. Cultural customs are much more regional and sometimes ethnic.

>>75953758
Good observation coming from someone outside the US.

I was always told as a kid to just say I live near San Francisco, even though I live several hours from it. Mainly because most broken english-speaking Europeans don't know much about CA but they've probably seen pictures of San Francisco at some point in their lives.

Politically though, I am so separated from my state and I'm at the point where I would basically openly protest against it that I would never tell a fellow American that I'm a Californian. Makes me sick honestly, this state earned it's bad reputation.

>>75963095
Same here. Sick of this states politics

>>75959248
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_(continent)
>Australia, sometimes known in technical contexts by the names Sahul, Australinea or Meganesia, to distinguish it from the Australian mainland, is a continent comprising mainland Australia, Tasmania, New Guinea, Seram, possibly Timor, and neighbouring islands.
>New Zealand is not part of the continent of Australia, but of the separate, submerged continent of Zealandia.[2] New Zealand and Australia are both part of the wider regions known as Australasia and Oceania. The term Oceania is often used to denote the region encompassing the Australian continent and various islands in the Pacific Ocean that are not included in the seven-continent model.

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"United provinces of [region]" is not a valid name for a country, especially when there are other countries on that same region that don't belong to the "united" one.

Compare that with Germany for example: Germany consists of 16 federal states from the same continent (Europe), similar to the one I'm referring to, but Germany also has its own name. It even has multiple names in different languages.

So why is there this big country in the Netherlands that doesn't have a name? Couldn't they agree on a name or what happened? I'd really would like to know, please enlighten me, thanks!

As a follow up question, what do citizens of this country call themselves? Eg: I call myself German, because I'm from Germany.

>>75952755
Is funny because if we consider America a continent then the other continent is the Afro-Eurasian continent because America was divided in two by the channel of panama so it should be considered a continent? or there must be only two continents south america and north america

>>75962870
we had a similar history, just without the war
it almost did break down thanks to WA in the 30s too

"United States of America" refers to all of the states in America that are united with each other to form this country

I don't see how that doesn't make sense

>>75954084
Mexico works like that too m8, we are the Mexican United States

>>75954888
I suggest New Judea

>>75955700
But Germany has a name

>>75952072
GERMANY MIGHT HAVE UNITED STATES, SURE.

BUT WE ARE "THE" UNITEDSTATES, NIGGER.

ALLAHU.

>>75955885
It would be an North American Union/Federation you inbred fuck, nor Canada or us would lose our sovereignty just to be part of your jew controled shithole

>>75958554
>no u

>>75960573
This is too rational for a burger, this must be a german in disguise

>>75952225
also south africa

>>75960853
But anon i do hate real americans, from arjewniggers in patagonia to the eskimoniggers in the norh pole

>>75952755
No the continent is named AFTER the country which is America

>>75952225
New Zealand was a dutch name
They tried to call us New Holland too but the English preferred Australia

>>75964072
United Mexican States

>>75953758
You are overthinking it. They probably name their state because they assume you know/guess they are Americans and since you are still asking they think you want to know more details. Nobody associates with their state here. Many of us move/change several states in a few years. We are Americans, not Texans or whatever. Other burgers claiming otherwise are full of shit.

>>75964122
Puerto Ricans should be rangebanned

>>75954718
Nigger Mexico is officially "United Mexican States"

We just call it Mexico like we call the USA America

>>75965033
Nah, You guys are us now

>>75953758
And many are also muh heritage fags, it's weird that they don't call themselves only Americans, but also have to bring another different nationality(ethnicity).

>>75965646
I'm only an American. Heritage fags are the worst

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>>75955700
>its the usual american wannabe brazika post

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>>75961443
>mfw the opposite is happening

>>75954703
>>Same goes for cities. Cities have the exact same powers as the national government, as long as they don't contradict the laws of the national government.


I-I-I have power, as long as I agree with my boss,

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>>75962452
>>Back before the Civil War, it was even more like that. States were practically sovereign nations (and some, like Texas, literally were independent nations) with their own laws, governments, and militaries (state-funded militias that basically just mostly served their state, with service to the nation generally taking a distant second place). Back in the day, there were actual raids, border skirmishes, and petty armed conflicts between state militias. Like states sending war parties and raiding each other was actually a thing that happened. People overwhelmingly identified with their state rather than with the US as a whole.
>
>The Reconstruction Era (the period following the Civil War) brought unification, and by the 1890s most people actually started thinking of themselves as "American," but state identity is still extremely important, and for a fairly significant percentage of people takes precedence over national identity. We also tend to be very distrustful of the federal government and to trust/identify with state governments a bit more.


why this dichotomy state-nation does not apply within each state with state-(big) cities in side the state ? especially since your states are very big in area.

>>75952072
Technically we're a prototype of the EU.

>>75952136
Technically, the EU is nothing without Germany.

>United States of America (official), America (colloquial and also former name originally), the States (colloquial), US, U.S., USA, Usa, U.S.A., U.S.A (initialism), Columbia (Latin, poetic), Freedonia, Appalachia, Alleghany (names proposed after American Revolutionary War), United States (short form), Usonia (used by James Duff Law and popularized by Frank Lloyd Wright), Usono (Esperanto; comes from Usona in English)

They tried and they just left it as U.S.A. All of these names are horrible

>>75966504
You know that if the British, Germans and French leave the EU still has 310 million people.

>>75966563
Which is pretty much the size of the USA.

>>75966523
Columbia is a great name

>>75966461
We aren't as city oriented as Euro's are since our cities are still so new. We also were and still are much more mobile than Europeans are so it's harder to to identify with a city than a state

>>75966609
I agree but some South American drug state claimed it

>>75966727
We had ours first

>>75966736
When did it stop being called that then?

>>75958557
You do, you're officially the Commonwealth of Australia. You just shorten it to Australia, like we shorten USA to just America.

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>>75966523
>Freedonia

>>75966772
Around the time they stopped referring to themselves as "these United States" and started saying "The United States", during the southern secessionist period. Since the USA started as, well, a collection of states, more like a close knit alliance than a nation, the southern states chafed at the federal government forcing changes on them. Mostly about slavery, but also due to the government imposing punishing tariffs on imported european goods in order to prop up the growing industry in the northern states. Southern states, which weren't industrialized and gained nothing from this but ended up having to pay more for goods for no good reason really hated this, and it resulted in a lot of resentment for northerners. That and slavery. It was mostly about slavery.
After the civil war ended with reunification, it was pretty much accepted by all that the US was a nation, not a collection of close knit states. But states rights still was and still is a huge powder keg that they chose to sweep under the rug by not coming up with a proper national name (which would almost certainly have been Columbia)

>>75966929
Good and informative answer from a Canadian.