China is the future. China was the richest and most powerful

>>75921820
>tfw paper and thus printing press which enabled the entire Renaissance in the West was bought by the Abbasids to Europe because we managed to defeat China at its strongest point

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Talas#Papermaking

>implying chinks will suprass us

China is a miserable shithole where outside the tourist areas exists unimaginable poverty and suffering.

>>75921981
This.
They barely qualify as human beings. Soulless automatons with no imagination, ethics or values for life.

>>75921820
>China was the richest and most powerful country in the world for thousands of years
ebin maymay

>>75922041
Heard there is a huge influx of Chinese in Cambodia for investment and stuff. How do you deal with it?

To be a superpower, a nation needs four things: economic, diplomatic, military, and cultural strength. China has some of #1 and #3, not much of #2, and none of #4 at all.

>>75922082
real life isn't a game of Civ you fucking spastic

The chinese are nothing compared to the mightiest, strongest, portentous and yet most magnanimous, lofty and noble of the races: the jew. The jew shapes the world to his image, he rules over all other races, all of them are equally weak in comparison to the mighty jew, truly God's chosen people.

The jew moves the world of money, that's why there are so many jewish bankers; the jew moves the world of science, that's why there are so many jewish scientists; the jew moves the world of thought, that's why there are so many jewish philosophers; the jew moves the world of politics, that's why Israel, despite being so small in size, is big in diplomacy. The jew has suffered a lot through history, mighty empires tried to subjugate the jew, other races would've perished, but the jew survived. The jew has won unthinkable wars in less than the time that God took to make the universe to his image! Truly a marvelous and yet expected feat from the jew.

The most important man in history was a jew, the second tried to exterminate them. The first is praised through the entire globe, the second is called a evil. Any prevarication against the jew is frowned upon worldwide! The jew truly makes history takes its course.

>>75921820
china is the past
we've already surpassed them, but they were ahead of everyone else for millenia
emphasis on were

>>75921820
You need both high iqs and high testosterone to succeed. Chinks spent hundreds of years being ruled by nomad barbarians.

>>75922156
rome too was ruled by barbarians and they are no more

>>75922143
>but they were ahead of everyone else for millenia
Not really. China was well behind Europe and the Middle East for developing writing and metalworking. The earliest written records in the Middle East date from 3000 BC, the earliest oracle bone inscriptions in China are from 1500 BC.

There was at most a few centuries when China was more advanced than Europe, which was during the Dark Ages.

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>richest
No. Japan overtook China.
Current ranking is 1.USA, 2.Japan, 3.China.

National Wealth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_wealth

>>75922328
op said was, you illiterate netouyo

>>75921880
>30,000
>Beaten
Lol no
Chinks can muster literally hundreds of thousands men for war
That's a border skirmish by chink war standards

China has a fine habit of imploding in a civil war every 90 years that kills tens of millions.

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>>75922413
this

>>75922457
is this the battle where they got DUTCHD

>>75922457
sui dynasties were barbarians anyway

>>75922485
>AD 612

>>75922494
The Sui Dynasty only lasted two emperors. The second was a megalomaniac who drove the country to ruin through vast building projects that utilized tens of thousands of slave laborers and launching an expensive, ill-advised war in Korea.

>>75922542
i know

>>75921914
>Europe in 1900: "Implying Americans will surpass us"

>>75922127
It's true though. All the most powerful countries have varying levels of those categories.

>>75922569
The US overtook Europe because they self-immolated in two world wars.

>>75922614
China will overtake USA because it's currently self-immolating with huge masses of dumb, lazy, hostile immigrants + toxic liberal values.

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>>75922652
Chinese are everywhere aren't they?

>>75922652
Proxy Putinbot definitively spotted. Fifteen coins will be added to your account.

China is ascendant because it is being allowed to ascend by a decadent and complacent West, especially Communist America.

We must destroy China and destroy America too, in order to re-establish world White supremacy and the civilised Christian order.

>>75922704
>projections to 2050 hurrr

Imagine someone in January 1914 making predictions for 1950.

>>75922710
>it's all RUSSIA'S FAULT when reality becomes ugly

Germany was projected to be the next global superpower in 1914 and....yeah. It took just another three decades to turn it into a US protectorate.

>>75922731
Christianity in the Western World is dead and not coming back

We're well past the point of no return

YA TE VI, ISAAC.

>>75922784
>hurr USA will collapse and china will grow 20% every year! CHINA #1 PLEASE BUY MEIZU PHONE

>>75922082
China has more of #2 than it does of #3 or #4 insofar as actually projecting power goes.

I-I didn't even get fifteens coins onmy account or anything !
Why would I even w-wrok for Putin-sama I h-hate him! Baka!

>>75922823
Diplomatic strength? Not at all, they have almost no influence outside their immediate vicinity.

>>75922801
Not until America is wiped from the face of this planet, I agree.

>>75922801
The Westerners replaced Christianity with PC and multikulti. Look at how those advocates of PC and multikulti are as batshit crazy as much as Crusades (those PC people are depicting).

Will PC and multikulti serve as a good ideology to bond the West as one society?

I think people already know the answer

>>75922895
Even if America is wiped out, the damage is done. For example, the internet is likely to continue existing, and that alone is a huge roadblock for religiosity.

>>75922818
>USA will collapse
No, but it will become less efficient when the majority becomes non-white. Basically, you will become a decent South American country.

>and china will grow 20% every year
'no', but still faster than USA.

>>75922830
lol

>>75922953
SJW-ness is a form of (godless) religiosity, and the Internet is incredibly efficient at spreading it.

>>75922957
How will it become inefficient? China is growing faster because it's a third world dump. Show me a first world country that's growing at 8% like China.

>>75922932
There was nothing wrong with the Crusades.

>>75922953
>>75922996
It's solely because of American Communist values that we cannot simply crush the scum in to submission.

>SJW-ness is a form of (godless) religiosity, and the Internet is incredibly efficient at spreading it.
I don't think you know the meaning of the word religion.
Try "ideology" or "dogma".

>>75922996
>SJW-ness is a form of (godless) religiosity
Yea, it has a mesmerizing quality that attracts lots of people. But SJW-ness is more of 'you can whine and get gibs as much as you want if you are underprivileged' than actual ideology/religion that has a certain goal.
Still, I do think it is dangerous for the West
>>75923018
>the Crusades
I meant "as described by SJWs"

>>75923095
There was nothing wrong with the Crusades even as described in anti-Crusade histories. The value lens is just wrong.

>>75922457
It is Yang Guang's fault.

>>75923012
>How will it become inefficient?
Because at some point, a majority of Americans will be dumb, lazy, problematic non-whites?

>China is growing faster because it's a third world dump
And the Chinese are much more numerous than you. And they work much harder than you. When they become first-world just like us, America will not be big enough to compete, just like France is too small compared to America.

>>75923046
I don't think you know how to quote a post.

I know perfectly the meaning of the word "religion", and it's exactly what I meant--not "ideology" or "dogma".

>>75923046
Dogma is a religious term.

I think all sorts of radical ideologies (so-called "SJW"-ism, communism, egalitarianism, democracy, etc.) are essentially religious because they rely upon supernatural beliefs in things like rights, equality, unattainable ideals/utopias. It's no wonder these religions seek to destroy or warp Christianity - it's their biggest rival for souls (and power).

>>75923157
On top of the supernatural belief these ideologies all have different ways of signalling faith, rituals, and so on, very similar to practices in traditional religions.

>>75923119
>Because at some point, a majority of Americans will be dumb, lazy, problematic non-whites?
And I'm pretty sure that argument was used at some point 100 years ago and despite the ethnic population growing in the US, their economy has gone nowhere but up. To blame a countries economic slowdown on the ethnicity when said cunt has been ethnically diverse since it's creation isn't a strong argument.

>>75923119
So what does it say about China if they still can't beat us when America already is 40% nonwhite? And no, they really don't work harder than us lol.

>>75923119
Actually China is way too overpopulated to ever be an efficient, well-run, manageable society, but...

>>75923157
>Dogma is a religious term.
"Dogma can be used in various senses: in a formal sense to refer to an official system of principles or tenets of a church, such as Roman Catholicism,[3] or in a less formal sense to refer to positions such as those of a philosopher or of a philosophical school, or in a pejorative sense referring to enforced decisions, such as those of aggressive political interests or authorities."
Also in french it just means "ideas that are believed to be absolute truth" (roughly).
For example there's the sovietic dogma. As long as there is an ideology there is dogma.

Also if all ideas or ideologies that are based on abstract and/or illosory concepts were religions than religions would be a very very loose terms. For people like me that use the "monde des idées" or "theory of forms" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Forms ) to understand certain things that would essentially mean that every object, everything we can think about is a religion of it's own. And theory of forms aside that would also mean art is a religion, or math is a religion, since they both rely on concepts that have material uses, but no material existence.

I think we better use the standard definition of religion.

>>75923157
>>75923172
This Anon gets it.

>>75923192
But that's wrong. "Ethnic population" was actually decreasing in the USA 100 years ago (it was at its lower point ever), while Whites were stronger than ever.

>Whites in 1820: 81.6%
>Whites in 1920: 89.7%

>Blacks in 1820: 18.4%
>Blacks in 1920: 9.9%

Now Blacks are growing again (albeit slowly), and Whites are lower than ever in American history.

>>75923418
That's because America received a lot of immigration from Europe. Blacks have always had higher birthrates than Whites. If there weren't any European immigrants America probably would've been 30% Black by now.

>>75923447
Sure. But what matters is that America became a major power because it became overwhelmingly white (in relative and absolute terms).

>>75923359
>illusory concepts that structure the whole life of the believers, establish a bond between them, change society, need to be hammered literally every day, have their own saints, etc.

>>75923418
>But that's wrong. "Ethnic population" was actually decreasing in the USA 100 years ago (it was at its lower point ever), while Whites were stronger than ever.

And now the black population is at its highest and where's the US economy? That's my point, if the ethnic population (not just backs) have grown to where they are now, and the economy hasn't suffered but instead gotten stronger to the point where its stayed on top, then the argument is already wrong to a point.

Another good point is that China's domestic demand is so low, they're reliant on Western consumption. If niggers take over, get lazy and dont consume or work, it's China's economy that will take a larger hit than the US. The US economy relies and supplies to itself, the Chinese economy doesn't.

>>75923359
Platonic realism, at least, is a theory of the forms that is entirely devoid of supernatural belief.

In any event you're twisting my words. Religion isn't in the object but in the subject.

There's also a difference between entertaining a concept as a tool or as a useful fiction, and genuinely believing in and pursuing it.

>>75923525
No, America became a superpower because it developed a strong military and economy and then our culture dominated the world. Britain and France committing suicide and Germany dragging Europe down with them also helped. Our only real competitor throughout history was the USSR. Our only possible threat is an internal force neutering our military or economy. Both parties are pro-war so our military isn't going to become weak anytime soon. The only way China can threaten us is by replacing as the economic center of the world. That is a very real threat and the recent failure of TPP/TTIP is a hint that our economic strength is becoming weaker. Personally, I am not so sure that's entirely bad because those trade deals along with NAFTA give corporations too much power but on the other hand a country's economic power is through its corporations.

>illusory concepts that structure the whole life of the believers, establish a bond between them, change society, need to be hammered literally every day, have their own saints, etc.

>economical policies like capitalism, communism or socialism are now religions
>social policies such as legalism, nuclear families or slavery are now religions
>each types of art are now religions
If ideas that influence people, create communities, have an influence on society and famous people in it are religions, the script for hte fast and furious is a religion.

>>75921820
Spain had plans to conquer china in tge 1500s.

>>75923603
If one believed that a film about car-racing contained some fundamental truth, and for example started to imitate parts of the film with a genuine belief that this was a meaningful spiritual/moral pursuit, then yes, that would be a religion (albeit, quite a frivolous one).

>>75922179
>what is rome and italy

China has to be the single most overrated civilisation ever.

China is shit and this dumb Spaniard is just a chink with a proxy

China will die soon, they are going they way of Japan but will fall much harder

>>75923686
this
only gets kudos because it was completely isolated from other major civilizations for so long
meanwhile Mesopotamian states, Greek states, Egypt, Phoenicians, Hittites and so many more were all in the same little area.

>>75923806
china is shit, but let's not pretend vietnam isn't even shittier

>>75923866
I'm not pretending Vietnam will take over the world

>>75923866
Not that guy, but of course, no one pretends our economy is any better.

>>75923866
Vietnam has 500,000 Amerincans dead in tgeur soil though

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>>75923886
This.

>>75923824
>little area
To be fair, it wasn't that little of an area. I mean, the distance from Athens to Persepolis isn't nothing by any means.

>>75923557
Blacks are not at their highest in relative terms, they're way below their situation in 1800. But what really matters is the majority.

American economy is declining compared to the rest of the world--it's not as dominant, and American Whites themselves are not as dominant. Anyway, the root of the problem is that the Whites are dwarfed everywhere in the world.

China is working to increase consumption of its domestic market, it was last year's big debate in China.

>>75923599
Not disagreeing with your post, I'm just saying that USA became so dominant in the first place because it imported an astonishing number of Whites. They're the ones who boosted your economy and military. With a non-white majority, you should have non-white standards in your military or economy (corruption, laziness, etc.).

>>75923603
>hurrrr

>>75923903
why are Americans so dumb to believe China is a threat?
China is powerful because the US is powerful
and it has basicly zero cultural impact outside of its borders

even here, right beside china, with thousands of years of their influence, we have no modern Chinese cultural influence and loads of Japanese/Korean/Filipino and others.
Hong Kong excluded of course

a resurgent Russia that can solve its population issues is a much bigger threat and US officials know this

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>>75923911
much less than the distance from any Chinese city to the Indus or western Eurasia

>>75923806
>China will die soon

Based on what?

>>75924005
my butthurt

>>75924005
have you not been paying attention for the last 30 years? economists have consistently been saying that china will collapse, smart ones too.

>>75921820
You can turn your VPN off now

>>75922457
>tfw quality and offensive ideas

Fucking kek

>>75922710
But I'm only putinbot here, faggot

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>>75922614
At the US's current rate. It might self-immolate in a second civil war. You're probably the country with the most divisive population right now.

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>>75923959
Russia's population is too small compared to USA, and its economy is a meme outside of commodities exports.

It will not be a serious economic rival for decades (if ever), only a diplomatic and military one.

>>75923954
America received a lot of European immigrants in the late 1800s and early 1900s. They came because America was already strong and getting stronger but it had not yet surpassed Western Europe.

>>75924094
it was never an economic rival during the USSR either
Russia just needs to sort its social issues

>>75924053
It's still not collapsing though. No one "collapses" like this. It's just wishful thinking.

>>75924097
and a lot of people thought of America as a sleeping giant in the 1800s even
its economy was massive and its people were wealthy, well fed and educated

America proved it could batter European powers with ease during the 19th century, and in the 20th it stopped with its "americas only" policy and immediately became the big guy 4U in Europe
only big rivals were Russia and the UK

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>>75924005
China will die by following in Japan's footsteps. Koreans were smart enough to not completely copy Japan and that's why their GDP per capita is going to surpass Japan in a few years and their brands are killing Japan.

>>75924159
Korean culture is growing more powerful too

Japan everything looks like its from the 90s, and they are really behind in technology adoption. they still use fax and pen/paper for most things in business, even e-mail is a big deal still.

>>75924159
>comparing 80s Japan with a third-world country that has ten times its population

Don't you see the problem?

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>>75924256
>a third world country manages to have the debt levels, housing market bubble, and declining working age population of a developed country

Don't you see the problem?

>>75923954
>American economy is declining compared to the rest of the world

Of course, because the most of the world is still developing. Developing countries have higher and faster economic growth when compared to already developed countries. But all countries, developed or developing slow down eventually. In China's case, it's their strong, cheap labour force which is already reaching record high wages and still going up.

>China is working to increase consumption of its domestic market, it was last year's big debate in China.

And it's expected to take more than 35 years for China's rural village population to match that of those who live in economic centres like towns or cities, and those people who live in rural villages are the lack of domestic demand.

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give back our rightful clay already !!

Always the spanish chink chonk

>he'll quote me sayng shit about brazil

America is the powerhouse, it would take something insane to take it out
I don't even think nuclear war could do it

>>75923686
"China" has almost never been a single nation except for when foreign invaders conquered it. It's cursed with three things, the first being simply too many people.

That's why they come down so hard on any dissent and centralize all the power they can in the Government. China destroys itself whenever there's more than one faction, and with so many cultures and ethnicities there's almost always more than one powerful faction unless there's oppression by force.

Even now, the second Chinese Curse, corruption, is causing a lot of problems. Oppression by Force quickly leads to abuse of power. Virtue signalling in an attempt to appear to not be abusing force actually makes the problem worse by creating an environment where openly succeeding is almost impossible since political opponents or even allies are hungry for scapegoats to punish in an attempt to hide their own transgressions.

This goes back thousands of years when Chinese Governors would traditionally receive a pittance for their stipend from the Government, but be expected to buy their promotions, and to raise that money from graft, embezzlement, and regional taxation. So long as the Government got their taxes anything in excess was fine. It was assumed the Officials would try to improve their territories so they could make more money off them, and that since corruption would happen anyways at least this way the Government saved money.

Of course, the problem with fixing these issues is the third Chinese Curse, which is the need to save face. So incompetent officials can't be removed unless there is someone outside the system to blame. Corruption, insufficient ability or resources, whatever it is that would normally make you cancel a project or adjust it, they can't admit these things so the result is cutting corners or finding a scapegoat. The Chinese investors/government are constantly throwing good money after bad while pocketing half. Anyone who has done business in China knows this.

>>75924296
>2010

>>75924309
Lack of domestic demand is also due to a savings rate that's too high.

>>75924353
Decline comes from the inside, rarely from the outside. USA is turning into a country of overweight, entitled non-whites.

>>75924157
America was feared to be a sleeping Economic power in the 1800s, but Militarily weak. Which it definitely was in fact, with a standing army of 98,000 and 27,000 men in the National Guard up to 1914. In 1914 W. Wilson raised the standing army to 140,000 men until 1917 when the US declared war in response to Germany engaging in unrestricted submarine warfare on merchant ships.

This was in response to Britain and France blockading all trade including neutral nations like America, which involved Impounding ships and imprisoning American citizens. Nobody thought American military intervention was likely much less significant. Especially since the Central Powers were currently winning.

Additionally the President was an ardent pacifist, the opposition was isolationist, and America as a whole was in the idealistic "Progressive Era" which was opposed to "unjust" wars fought for economic reasons.

In fact it also took Germany getting caught sending an offer of alliance with Mexico for the purpose of invading the US if the US did enter the war to finally pull the US in. Prior to that it was seen as a European conflict, and a pointless one as multiple attempts to broker a peace were rebuffed. To further explain though how America was viewed as a military threat, Germany openly admitted to offering an alliance to Mexico. Britain and France were teetering on the brink, their armies exhausted, resources depleted, and their credit run out.

China has no allies except Pakistan and Cambodia (they only like China's money) and all of their neighbors want them nuked off the map.

>>75924647
Saying 2010 isn't a refutation. You can't continue growing at a high rate when your population is old and your working-age population is stagnant and will decline in 10-20 years.

>>75922328
If only japanese people didn't kill themselves in Aokigahara forest...

>>75924157
>>75924696

To continue, American economic power wasn't even really a "sleeping giant" at that point, it was an open fact. One of the issues regarding the blockading of American trade with the Central Powers was the possibility of America being excluded and economically restricted from future trade with the developed Old World of Europe regardless of who won in the end.

Anyways, Germany was hoping for a quick finish to the war by disrupting American economic support of Britain and France. Nobody expected America to go from 140,000 soldiers to 4 million in a year, with 1 million of them in Europe in only six months.

America outright saved Britain and France in WW1. No question about it. Russia pulled out to have a revolution, the Ottomans were stubbornly holding on, and the Central Powers simply outlasted them.

America entered WW1 on actual idealistic grounds. There were definite economic concerns about the ability of B&F to pay their debts if beaten, and the concern of Mexico being supported by Germany, but mostly America went to war because they felt that Europe had lost its mandate to lead by engaging in the war and refusing to stop for so long. They saw it as their duty to go to war to end the fighting and spread the values of Democracy, Self-determination, and Equality for all people's.

Even after WW1 America wasn't seen as a world leader, at best an equal but mostly a distant colony that had a conscripted army and conflicted government lacking the will to be a real power world wide.

In a sense they were right. America lost over 100,000 lives for idealism and had the nation's they saved trample all over it. Not just the imposition of excessive reparations on Germany, but they fucked up the ME too.

>>75924810
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/23/world/china-two-child/index.html

>>75924880
Germany didn't succeed in replacing the Anglosphere and France as a world power because Prussian authoritarianism and militarism made for an unappealing image to the world compared with Anglo and French liberalism. The US was always pro-Entente from the start of WWI because most Americans had a stereotype of Germans being humorless martinets in spiked helmets. Only some German and Irish-American communities favored Berlin.

So let me get this straight.

You have a country composed of many heterogeneous regions, many of which would immediately break away if not for constant projection of military force. Many of these regions face abject poverty and lack basic services. The "richer" regions are polluted, gray hellholes where the average people live in tall concrete boxes of marginal quality and work long hours for little reward. Generally speaking, the overcrowding in these "rich" areas creates problems of over-socialization wherein competitive and antisocial behavior dominates much of public life, where mutual trust is minimal. Furthermore, the public is kept uninformed and uncultured by a general embargo of most foreign information and state control of all media, only receiving an education that amounts to the memorization of highly specific pieces of information.

So the miracle of these few relatively economically prosperous cities where the "educated" and "rich" Chinese live is propped up by a government that takes questionable actions such as shutting down trading and attempting to forcibly stop the circulation of "rumors" when the market appears to be faltering significantly. Additionally, the growth figures are skewed by layers upon layers of cooked books such as to comply with governmental growth quotas at multiple levels in the hierarchy. Then, consider the fact that investment is over 40% of China's GDP, which is a huge red flag regarding the strength and robustness of the economy in the long term. Couple that with minimal innovation and an increasing reluctance on the part of foreign companies to want to manufacture in China - as well as the emergence of cheaper alternatives. Take note that manufacturing is one of the only things China is good at, for some value of "good".

You're telling me this place is going to be a world leader?

>>75924892
It doesn't matter if the increase is 7%, they still have a low fertility rate.

>Officials have said the relaxation of the policy “came in time and worked effectively”, but the increase of 1.31 million newborns last year falls far short of earlier government estimates that China would add 3 million babies annually for the next five years.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/23/chinas-birth-rate-soars-after-relaxation-of-one-child-policy

>>75924959
You forgot that it's also a dictatorship that suppresses any form of culture that isn't state-sanctioned.

>>75924880
>>75924696
>>75924157

America post-WW1 did the first ever census of Arabs in the remains of the Ottoman empire. Check out the King-Crane commission. Results were the Arab people wanted self-governance, but failing that would prefer American oversight practically unanimously, British oversight coming in a distant second and even then only as an alternative to French oversight which was extremely opposed.

It recommended against the creation of a Jewish homeland in a place people already lived, especially Palestine. 9% of Palestinians opposed it, and 10% of their population were Jews.

It instead recommended merging Palestine with Syria and setting up a democratic Republic divided by cultural/ethnic/religious lines, and giving representation and protection to minorities - much like how America works. This way Jews who wanted to move there still could, and they would help build the state of Syria instead of living in a segregated state.

It also recommended setting up a neutral governing body for Jerusalem with representatives from all three Abrahamic religions.

Sadly, Britain and France had secret agreements to divvy up the territory. Syria got the French Mandate which consisted of propping up warlords and exploiting the area. And we all know how Britain handled Palestine.

Italy was present.

Anyways. America essentially left in disgust with how the European powers acted. W. Wilson's campaign at home was interrupted by his death, and the American refusal to ratify the Treaty of Versailles due to concerns over the League of Nations, and the negative feelings towards European nations, resulted in the King-Crane commission not being seen until 1922 after the vote to recognize Israel.

>>75924959
I could depict America in an even worse manner. Could you believe America is a world leader? A country where the President shitposts on Twitter while obese people shoot each other in Detroit and consume grotesque amounts of resources in the most unsustainable manner? etc.

>>75924980
The policy has been recently implemented, give more time to it.

>>75925124
>Arabs
>democratic Republic

We the people decide to expel all the Jews lol, also Allahu Akbar

>>75925143
No, you couldn't. I've lived in both countries, and there's no comparison. Get off your ass, open your eyes, and actually do some real travel so you don't put your foot in your mouth out of pure ignorance when trying to talk about the world.

>>75925124
>Results were the Arab people wanted self-governance, but failing that would prefer American oversight practically unanimously
To be fair, we're probably the most benevolent superpower in world history.

"Empires of the past have been defined by the amount of resources they possessed, the size of their standing armies, or the amount of subjugated peoples they controlled. The American empire is defined by ideals."

--- Ronald Reagan

>>75925143
>A country where the President shitposts on Twitter while obese people shoot each other in Detroit and consume grotesque amounts of resources in the most unsustainable manner? etc.
And yet China still can't compete.

>this coming from a country that lost the space race against the goddamn USSR

>>75924928
America was strictly neutral and attempted to mediate several peace treaties but been rebuffed by both sides which increased their disdain for all sides in the war.

In fact German support was quite high at the beginning and never really reached the levels of demonization we see in WW2. The German Empire and especially Bismarck were seen as leaders of Europe and a threat to the dominance of Britain and France.

This was in spite of the Entente severing telegraph lines between the Central Powers, impeding communication and delaying what communication did occur. As well, the British media reported with Gusto the Rape of Belgium done by the German Occupation.

Still, American sentiment didn't start to tilt against the Central Powers until the 1915 sinking of the Lusitania. Wall Street did not remain neutral, but this wasn't necessarily a reflection of public opinion but that of necessity as trade with Germany became difficult if not impossible. Remember, the Entente was still capturing American ships and imprisoning their crews and impounding their goods.

Even the resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare wasn't enough to bring them in, it took the threat of a war with Mexico.

And still, they went to war with the purpose of ending it. They didn't seek reparations, they didn't conquer and land, or topple any governments etc.

Honestly WW1 was the best moment for America and it's a real shame Britain and France fucked it all up. Pretty much killed American idealism, set the stage for WW2, and ruined the ME.

Like, how The Entente acted post-WW1 was why America said "fuck this shot we're in charge now." After WW2.

>>75925201
At the time, they didn't have the objections to the Jews they have now. Cairo especially was the world's heart of culture and liberalism.

We could have had entirely different Arabs who weren't religious fanatics. Instead,they learned from the French and the most zealous of Jews.

>>75925277
America was even more benevolent then too. Look up the Progressive Movement.

Europe! Ruining social progress for a hundred years.

>>75921820
>Germanics were running around naked and throwing rocks at each other.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>75923661
Irrelevant?

>>75925308
>Says the country that couldn't even compete
>Says the country that STILL needs colonies to launch spacecraft or test nukes

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>>75925308
Time to post this friendly reminder. ;)

>>75925649
That's not a real frog, it's a Putinbot with a proxy. It's been shilling for Russia this entire thread.

>>75925649
still butthurt, 200 years after, that we gave you your own independance ?

wew lad

>>75925689
Spain did more for them, and France ruined the world AND American values post WW1.

Maybe 3rd times the charm, if they save you from Germany again. France already has to pass laws to keep people from speaking American.

>>75925421
>they went to war with the purpose of ending it
They went to war with the intention of ending the war such that no European power would emerge dominant, such that European economies would be weak, and such that radicalism would take hold - which it did. American foreign policy was always to weaken and destroy any rivals so that it could enlarge its own power. There is nothing wrong with this policy if you are an American. What went wrong is that European rulers were too stupid to see what the Americans were doing - and so we would up with communism in Russia, the collapse of monarchies across the continent, and later on the destruction of empire across the world - all to the benefit of the radical American regime and their communist stooges.

>>75925523
>benevolent

>implying """social progress""" is not a euphemism for communism and degradation

>>75925647
Italys gdp was 2.3 trillion in 2008

>>75925744
Pax Americana is the reason why Europe outside the Balkans has been entirely at peace since 1945 as opposed to the olden days when a war happened on average every 20 years.

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Good job OP,
Good job

>>75925792
What told you this?
What wars in Europe since 1945 did usa prevent?
USA has nothing ti do in Europe.

>>75925679
>Everything bad is Russian
I can't wait for red scare 2.0 to be over, it's annoying
>>75925689
What? Did you mean to respond to another post? Or is your English comprehension just that bad?

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>>75925821
You'd think the fact that this exact thread is made daily would mean people might just ignore it but no.

>>75925826
What does USAs 2 million something soldiers in asia have to do with Europe?
Arabs dont fear shit of "USA" why would Europe fear USA intervention?

>>75925785
So...I'm not wrong.

China outside the designated tourist areas is an exceedingly miserable place for men and women to live in.

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I never understood how China was "the most advanced and rich country for 1k years" but shit like the emperors palace looks more underwhelming than your average European village, like were did all that wealth and power translate to?
Pic related, something you'll never see in Asia.

>>75925925
How is the US any less miserable? Americans have no free health care, terrible racial tensions, and have to start a war every decade to feed the profits of the military-industrial complex.

China has some problems but social harmony is much greater and the CCP at least cares about the people's requirements as opposed to your two political parties and alleged democracy owned by the rich.

China has also never started an aggressive war on a neighboring country within living memory while the US started unprovoked wars in Vietnam, the Balkans, and the Middle East,

>>75925940
it's because they were constantly in struggle and destruction. The whole Mandate of Heaven concept is literally chaotic by nature. Anyone could be the emperor and defy it. It's a totally different culture and mentality. No wonder they don't care that much about creating historical monuments and things that last, because destruction is everywhere. Also there wasn't like this Divine Right dogmatic mentality as there was in Europe leading to tons of revolutions all the time. I mean the whole Warring States period is the best example of that. The Chinese thrive in chaos and destruction but at a high expense such as cultural destruction

>>75925995
So China was always a shithole and the only monument a 1.3 billion people 5k+ yo civilization is this kind of garbage >>75921820
What a shame, I think the city of florence has more shit than the entirety of east Asian

In the Chinese mindset, the ruling dynasty must provide social harmony, if they fail, the Mandate of Heaven is withdrawn from them and history shows that this rarely happens without horrible civil wars and foreign invasions that kill tens of millions.

>>75925971
> while the US started unprovoked wars in Vietnam, the Balkans, and the Middle East
Either you know very little of history or you are being purposefully disingenuous, but either way you are an absolute mong for even typing something so stupid.

>>75925995
>Also there wasn't like this Divine Right dogmatic mentality as there was in Europe
Well, in Europe the king traditionally was not an absolute god ruler, he was merely first among equals and was supposed to rule with the council of his great men.

>>75921820

WE WUZ SONS OF HEAVEN

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China is growing larger

China has BIG plans

You will work for China


Age of the Dragon is upon us

>>75926020
Nah, they were advanced during periods like the Tang Dynasty when Caucasian conquerors founded a dynasty. When native Chinese rule the place, they stagnate.

>>75926056
>he was merely first among equals and was supposed to rule with the council of his great men.
uhm nah, it's more like he was the chosen one by god born to rule and nobody could defy it. Sure you could say he was equal as man as everyone that belonged to their kingdom but with different functions. To the point that the only time people start defying it was at the Enlightenment, and Napoleon literally deposed every king and became king himself without having any royal noble line. Meanwhile in China that has happened since ever, because is inherent to their philosophy

>>75926104
>muh white race
fuck off

>>75926020
All this shit about Mandate of Heaven is completely unrelated to why China lacks a lot of the intricate and nice architecture of Europe.
Under Mao, China underwent a purge of traditional culture which included destroying temples and religion and anything which could be considered a part of old China.

There's a lot of really broad statements being made on the Mandate of Heaven, just as a reminder France also was a "monarchy by divine right" all the way until the Révolution.

>>75925971
China went to war against Vietnam just after America, although the conflict didn't last long, they also funded the Khmer Rouge with the help of America, and are currently occupying Vietnamese sea and petrol resources. Also don't forget Tibet and their ongoing feud with Japan, along with skirmishes over their western border. They aren't going on full-scale wars but the intent is there.
Oh and they fought against America and south Korea during the Korean war (which is technically ongoing).

>>75926104
it's actually white people that brought them communism which lead to the great red dark age in China and the gear depopulation which could have been used to colonize australia with

>>75926104
>WE WUZ
And were are the archeological marvels of the tang dynasty?
>>75926131
They didnt destroy all and what remained was lackluster, the emperor's palace would make a ramdom european count uncomfortable

>>75926105
>he's never heard of the Magna Carta
Which came about because of an English king who attempted to defy the nobility and rule as an autocrat, thus he was forced to sit down and acknowledge that no, you can't do that.

>>75925792
>wars within Europe
Why ignore colonial wars and Cold War adventures?

Anyway, "peace" at the expense of empire is not worth it. The so-called peace is really American domination of Europe as a series of vassals and clients, little more than colonies really, exactly as America has dominated much of the rest of the world (for a time in tandem with Russia), and the only reason there hasn't been war in Europe but there has elsewhere is because Europe was 1) exhausted and 2) more civilised and prosperous. America gives nothing of value and takes everything for its own power.

What America has given is cancerous, self-destructive, rotten ideology. That's America's legacy. And it's not a good weapon, either (which might have made for a sound excuse, using ideology to weaken rivals); America herself has fallen victim to it. As far as anyone can tell, America is a nation of true-believers, which is the most terrifying thing of all. These people have an empire but are ideologically opposed to empire - how can they ever be expected to rule in a sane and productive manner if they are in denial about their very rulership?

>>75926131
Literally all over their history had destruction of architecture and culture. It's not just Mao, the porcelain tower is a great example of that. It's a Chinese thing 2bqf

>>75926104
>>Tang Dynasty
>>Caucasian conquerors
Average American education.
What are you going to say after China become the ruler of the world?
Mao zedong is Caucasian too?

>>75926147
The English were the exception to the rule my friend. They adopted Liberalism when it didn't even exist

>>75926031
Mandate of Heaven disappeared permanently with the end of imperial rule. Every claim since is nationalist or communist deceit. China is ruled by bandits; no Son of Heaven.

Mao Zedong's love of chaos and continuous revolution was actually very much at odds with the Chinese belief in social harmony, after he died, Deng Xiaoping restored a measure of neo-Confucianism.

>>75925995
Renaissance/Early Modern Divine Right was influenced by Mandate of Heaven.

>>75926056
You're a retard.

>>75926172
>Mandate of Heaven disappeared permanently with the end of imperial rule.
Yeah sure the name disappeared but the culture continues

Some people bring up Japan's case to dismiss the possibility of China's inevitable assumption of a superpower, but it's an utter fallacy, because:
1) China still has lots of room for improvement thereby growing rapidly. When Japan was in a position similar to current China, say 70% the size of US economy, it was literally at the top in almost every measure (GDP per capita, HDI, etc.) while China's quality is still rough, giving them lots of chances of rapid growth.
2) China's demography isn't as bad as Japan's. With all one child policy and the fucked up male to female ratio, their population is still expected to grow until 2040's or so, unlike Japan, whose working age population reached its peak in the mid 90's and the entire population's been shrinking as well since 2010.
3) China can change rules. Postwar Japan didn't cash in on the situation, in other words, it didn't exert its economic power to change the status quo to build a world economic system favorable to itself, something the US enjoys today. China however can do it (or has already been doing it) thanks to their position of a 'victor' of WW2, and can create a virtuous cycle to help their economic growth.

We should remember that, with 6-7% of annual growth, the size of economy, which is already pretty large in China's case, nearly doubles in ten years. Holy shit, a fucking $25 trillion of GDP in late 2020's? I don't know how to describe such an entity other than a superpower. They have the population 10x larger than Japan and 4x larger than the US, after all. You can't stop such a behemoth.

>>75926188
>Renaissance/Early Modern Divine Right was influenced by Mandate of Heaven.
Yeah, some of the phrases really remember the whole concept that already existed in China, especially Voltaire quotes

>>75926143
As I understand, they embraced Marxism because, strange as it sounds, it was a way to modernize and Westernize while still opposing Western beliefs.

>>75926119
SOPA

>>75926205
China's GDP growth is projected to decline

>>75922127
You have to take the master classes

>75922731 White origins are nonexistent

>>75926161
>What are you going to say after China become the ruler of the world?
>Mao zedong is Caucasian too?

Ehh they always shift the goalpost or try to diminish other to not hurt their fee fees or social beliefs.

>>75921820
chinese are subhumans

>>75926157
People make i seem like China slot everything. lol it didn't, China has so much culture and history and like you aid it happens so often that it's not the thing people hype it up over like it some rape and pillage conqueror.

>mfw you can see "china is rising" and "western in falling" thread on /int/ daily, and ppl are rly taking the baits

>>75922075
they embraced it, go on Google Street in Phnom Penh and you'll see nearly every construction site has Chinese name on it

>>75926190
On the contrary - the name remains, attempts to exploit the practice remain, but the practice itself is most assuredly dead.

>>75926180
Just non-sense. There's no genuine or authentic Chinese tradition left alive. The "Confucianism" in China today is nothing more than a cynical attempt by communist bandits to exploit traditions so that they may have an air of legitimacy to disguise their illegal rule.

>>75926878
Every year for the last 20+ years, China is going to overtake the dying West and every year China is still a miserable shithole that deprives its citizens of basic human rights.

>>75922041
白痴 绿帽子

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>>75928717
You got it the other way around.

Every year people predict China's collapse, and yet it continues to snowball larger and larger.

>>75932168
China on average has a civil war every 90 years that kills millions. Give it a little time, it'll come around again.

>>75921820
China has 2 massive advantages.

Firstly, it's huge, so statistically it's certain to have a large number of talented people, be it in maths, engineering, computer science or anything else.
It also has a massive working force, for contruction and manufacturing jobs.

Secondly, it has a mostly centrally planned economy, coordinating this talent and manufacturing capacity, to achieve long term goals (space program, nuclear program, heavy infrastructure, etc.) which wouldn't be possible in a pure profit oriented free market.


The jump China experienced between, say 1950 and 2000 is phenomenal, nothing like that has ever happened in human history this fast, not even the industrial revolution. (Although the immense speed of the transition might be partly explained by the fact that the market was morstly globalised and information+materials traveled faster).

I have high hopes for China, and it's gonna be great for everybody, cause you have a huge junk of the human population, that was mostly dormant, waking up and strating producing all the nice and crazy shit.

>>75924053

It won't collapse, but it's rapid growth phase will eventually end just like Japan's.

>>75926878
/int/ has a bunch of diaspora zhangs. most of those posting on these threads are them

China is too dumb to innovate, the day we will not need them to build our stuff for cheap they will collapse like they always did

>>75936617
Dude, even without innovation they're still retarded
>see infrastructure

>>75934637
>Secondly, it has a mostly centrally planned economy, coordinating this talent and manufacturing capacity

Because past history has demonstrated how effective and efficient that planned state economies are?

True, but for our lifetimes it will still be the same China with the same stuff happening and the same mainlanders flooding every place.

After we pass a Taiwan-like China will be a heaven on earth but at that point it doesn't matter.

Makes it hard to even learn Mandarin when there is nothing to watch or read.

>>75934637
>The jump China experienced between, say 1950 and 2000 is phenomenal, nothing like that has ever happened in human history this fast, not even the industrial revolution
costanza.jpg

>>75936813
China's per capita GDP is like $8000 and it was about $300 in the 1970s. That's really a pretty meager gain in the greater scheme of things.

>>75936720
well /int/ or moderndays 4chan hate weebs but as a matter of fact, in asia, they are the hopes who could produce their shit worth reading/watching internationally via japan.

china, korea, and taiwan still do pirate a lot and they cant sell what they make on their own in domestic market, and nobody actually buys it. so they cant bring up their talents as individual without big companies or govt

this is what people on here often miss when talking about asia. asia is still a piracy heaven as much as other 3rd world, except for japan.

>>75926245
opposing western beliefs is a rather new concept to Chinese commie. In 1970s they spent 10 years time uprooting Chinese culture and around the same time they also criticize Soviet for not strictly following Marxist thought

>>75923959
But when I navigate Vietnamese sites, there are always tobs of Chinese cultural products that I have never heard of like novels/movies...

>>75937709
Chinese culture really only survives on Taiwan, it's been dead on the mainland for 40 years.

>>75937839
I mean, tons of PRC cultural product created in Chinese language

>>75937977
>PRC
>cultural product
404 not found. At best what you'll find on the mainland is a pastiche of traditional Chinese culture, all carefully edited and airbrushed to comply with CCP ideologies, which can change frequently.