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(Western) World Order is Ending

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>North America retreating into isolation and irrelevance
>South America remains terminally ill
>Europe in a death spiral with no more allies or options
>Middle East literally exploding in slow motion

>Asia (sans Muslim regions) remains strong and stable into the foreseeable future

How does this make you feel? How are you preparing for the Asian century?
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>>75810627
ahh feel so good
i am totally rdy for this
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>>75810627
>>75810710
w-will you guys treat whites well?
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Why south america are so retard?
Also
>a fucking traditional fishing boat sailing on the victoria harbour
>muh propaganda
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我学习汉语
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>>75810627
ah a century of shitty knock off garbage and total lack of common sense, can't wait.
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>>75810627
You've been posting variations on this theme for over a month, now. Don't you need a rest?
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>>75810627
>asiatic wet dreams
literally nothing will change significantly. this is a western world and the west will be fully in charge of it for at least one more century
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they are already below replacement rate. argentina is the future, trust me
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OP is pretty accurate.

What about Thailand, OP? Do you think it will get better results in the future?

If Thailand open their own market, i think it would be a first world country.
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>>75810627
China is on lifesupport, Japan a gigantic bubble and all the shitholes like you and the flips arent even industrialised and die like flies as soon as some typhoon blows in again, dont get ahead of yourself mate.
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>>75810803
Why? The last president, the fucking woman fucked the whole economy. It will slowly recover dude, it will take years.
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>>75810730
only if you do as i said
now take off your pants cowboy
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>>75810799
>literally nothing will change significantly. this is a western world and the west will be fully in charge of it for at least one more century
You mean an American and Chinese world m8. Europe's been dying for quite a while now.
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>>75811088
then why are you speaking one of our language? you know, there is more to the world than economics
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>>75810836
>if Thailand open their own market

What did he mean by this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Thailand

>Thailand is the second-largest economy in Southeast Asia, after Indonesia. On 19 July 2013 Thailand held US$171.2 billion in international reserves,[22] the second-largest in Southeast Asia (after Singapore). Thailand ranks second in Southeast Asia in external trade volume, after Singapore.[28]

>Thailand's unemployment rate is low, reported as less than 0.9 percent.
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>>75811161
>there is more to the world than economics
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>How are you preparing for the Asian century?
Breeding as many beautiful white daughters as possible for my chinese overlords.
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>tfw going back to my home country in southeast asia is sounding more and kore attractive
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>>75811161
>then why are you speaking one of our language?
Because the English succeeding in cuck stamping the world?
Unless you're trying to tell me that some random eastern Europe country is more influential than the Anglo sphere.
Better English than some overly complicated Euro or Arabic language tho. 26 letter's is comfy.
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>>75810627
but aisa is over…
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>>75811209
There are many stupid rules to foreigners open a business there.

Also, Thailand is in 55° in economic freedom. But better than my country, but with more free markers would be a greater place, first world.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
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>>75810627
>How does this make you feel?
Scared, disappointed and wary of people squinting.
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>>75811324
my point is if europe had died for a while you'd be speaking chinese by now. our influence on the world is just too big to be erased. we changed human history forever
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>>75810627
I don't know man. How long can the Chinese miracle go on for exactly? Japan is going to have huge problems and what exactly does the rest of you even produce?
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>>75810799
>refugees flow in
>some parts of europe are blacker than US ghettos
>arabs take more and more administrative positions
Haha, west WILL be fully in charge, sure. Haha!
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>yfw it is estimated that up to 13% of Thailands GDP is generated by prostitution. Literally one in 10 of the local currency in circulation there comes from a Thai chick sucking dick.

How does it feel, OP?
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>>75811664
+15

Russia is the last bastion of white christian civilization.
Vladimir Putin is the saviour of white race.
The West is rotting and is going to collapse.
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>>75811735
That can't be right, what the actual fuck.
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>>75811735
>chick
hehe
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>>75810973
w-why do you want me to take off my pants?
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>>75811741
Your country goes through muslim terror almost as much as the UK, and how many % of your total population are muslim exactly?

Not jealous of you yet Ivan
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what a joke

africa (mostly christian) and the muslim world is blowing up demographically
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>>75810973
im okay with this
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>>75811209
welp your gdp per capita is lower than botswana

and your unemployment is low becuase there are almost no benefits....its work or die

your reserves ale almost same as ours and you have 7x population

your GDP growth is around 3% which is pretty low for a developing economy

if ths is that famous "asian century" than good luck for us all
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>>75811794
You must be an actual retard.
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>>75811775
you know why :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNckJxiUwtE
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>>75810759
>south america
>retard
What do you expect from countries where it's normal to drink 2 bottles of beer every evening?

At least the non-drinkers have gained degrees and bought properties.
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>>75811741
holy shit do you even go outside? stop believing the shit americans tell you
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>>75811757
>That can't be right

Brilliant, Sherlock.
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death to the west praise ahura mazda
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>>75811837
Yes you have to be.
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>>75811877
its should be under services lol not industries

but imho its just part of the shadow economy
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>>75811855
sorry but i am no homo :(
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>>75811757
According to Chulalongkorn University, there are 2.8 million sex workers in Thailand.

>In 2015 Havocscope Black Market said that about $6.4 billion dollars in annual revenue was being generated by the trade, a figure which accounted for 10 percent of Thailand's GDP. Sex workers in Thailand send an annual average of US$300 million to family members who reside in more rural areas of Thailand.
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>>75812012
>>75811877
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>75811877
This figure will not show up in official statistics obviously.
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>>75812034
It's not funny though. It's sad.
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Western pigs are jealous of our prosperous country and our happy society.
Our women are traditional and the men are healthy and strong. We are the country that preserves the Christian values and moral.
While the west is destroying itself in its own degeneracy and idiocy we are building the country that will lead the white christian european world.
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>>75811573
>my point is if europe had died for a while you'd be speaking chinese by now
We're speaking English now because after the second world war, the only superpower left in the world was America, a traditionally Anglo country which took it's chance and spread it's influence world wide.
>inb4 it was made by Britain
Of course. But they're not anymore 'European' then the natives of America are Asian.
>our
>we
You did notice I said 'China' in my post, not Asia. The Thai's and Filip's wewuzing so hard in this thread are pretty embarrassing because they'll be largely irrelevant like they always were.
>we changed human history forever
Non sequitur to my post. I was talking about the future. And every civilization has at least once.
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>>75810627
The only country ending here is Thailand
>thousand upon thousand tourists travel to Thailand and picks up a wife
>soon Thailand will no longer have females
>males enrage and kill each other due to lack of pussy
>Thailand ceases to exist
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>>75812061
No what's sad is that I've never been to Thailand.
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>>75812088
>Our women are traditional and the men are healthy and strong.
10/10 best joke
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>>75812034
>>75812157
Why pay what you can get for free? :^)
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>>75812088
You must be some Westerner with a proxy. No Russian thinks like this.A country where more children are aborted than being born is certainly not preserving traditional values.
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>>75810799
lol no

being irrelevant doesn't necessarily mean western world would have it bad though
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>>75812088
sure
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>>75812124
We have surplus females. That's why no one is getting enraged. There are many women in my own family who are growing old alone without a husband because there's simply not enough men to go around. That is even before you count men who go (she).

That's why we have so many lesbians and lesbian movies now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhXmGOrgFBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rg_-CFkZVY
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>>75812214
its just meme desu

when you slap girl butt its considered a rape in sweden

and when you for eample raping your girlfriend over the years every one rape is counted

so raping your girlfriend every day for 3 years....1000x rapes in statistic
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>>75810627
>implying india wont kick all your east asian asses

less than 3 years to go
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>>75810627

>tfw all the wealth is being transferred out of the West and into the pockets of subhuman gooks
>whitey doesn't care
>he'd rather complain about how evil and racist Donald Trump is and work his slave job like a good wagiecuck
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>>75812315
Sounds like mansplaining. Also why do so many Czech MILFs go into pron? Not try to be mean, I want to know.
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>>75812101
you are speaking english because england colonized you just like we colonized greenland, spain with americas, france with africa etc.
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>implying
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>>75810627
Asia is suffering too, just from different issues than Europeans

immigration is bad here and governments are far less stable in many places, not to mention everyone hates each other and war is a genuine possibility in the future

at least Europeans all mostly co-operate and have inter national unity
we can't even get along and we are all far more culturally united than Europeans are.
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>>75812300
>>75812343
my life goal 2bh
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>>75812377
first of all...all these videos are staged

its the same how all porn in US is made in Califronia

after communsim all porn agencies for eastern europe were established in Prague
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>>75812386
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>>75812476
For what reason all porn agencies for eastern europe were established in Prague?
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>>75812456
ironically Africans might have the brightest future simply because they have a booming population

Europe and Asia are both dying, from the same disease just different symptom
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>>75810627
But what happens when China's bubble inevitably bursts and the citizens realise they have no power over their government? The only thing keeping China stable is its consistent economic growth
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>>75811823
>its work or die

As it should be.
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>>75812386
Ethiopia wasn't colonized though?
>but italy won the second war!!1

But then that's occupation not a colonial regime and in that case shouldn't Japan, Korea, China be coloured green?
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>>75811823
Thailand isn't developing, it's newly industrialized. Same position as South Korea in the 90s. We even have an aging society now. Quite developed, stable and harmonious.
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>>75812549
Lol Africa never had a future. They are poor, dirty, dense and live in a hot humid climate. Perfect breeding ground for a plague
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>>75812549
African standard living is not gonna get good in a while though, especially with massive population growth. So nah, I wouldn't call it the brightest future, even if they drag Europe down to shit with them.
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>>75812676
Africans, not Africa
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>>75812514
well it was closest to the West(geographicly) and since early 90s Prague was already big tourist spot and quite developed

Same with Budapest
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>>75812635
I didn't make the map, but I guess it's not 100% correct. Japan and South Korea has definitely been influenced by Europe both culturally and economicallly
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>>75812386
No, most of us speak english because of the US influence during and post cold war.
Greece had a US-installed junta and they still got 50% of the youth to speak english and have a love-hate relationship with the states.
Of course this isn't a zero sum game and learning english has a lot of advantages for a 10 million people country, but still, it's not due to to the Brits.

Also while there is a lot of inertia in the language sector and
english is much much closer to most our languages than chinese, 30-40 years isn't that long and
it might happen. Depends on the financial situation.
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>>75812696
Africans live in Africa, so what's the difference?
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>>75812751
I was talking about Australia, a former British colony.
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>>75812704
plus you need some cheap cameramans, ediotrs etc.

in 90s porn was quite big budget, not like today whn you can make porn with your mobile phone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_shot_in_the_Czech_Republic
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>>75812760
they are migrating everywhere like Germans did in Rome
they will form a large population in Europe and Asia soon
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>>75812838
They already do.

If Europe doesn't get a grip, we'll be overrun in 50 years or so considering the massive population growth in Africa.
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>>75812838
you have been reading too much /pol/, friend
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>>75812386
>you are speaking english because england colonized you just like we colonized greenland, spain with americas, france with africa etc.
I'm talking about why you're speaking English as well, since it's a global lingua franca.
A lot of African countries speak English despite being colonized by France. Also
>being under European control
You can say the Turk's had a larger influence on the main two colonies i.e China and India
If it wasn't for the Manchus conquering China and then poisoning it over time or Augrenzab declaring holy civil war, those countries would have remained intact and probably uncolonized. So you can say it was a 50/50 job.
Besides, a lot of those African countries were under control for less than a century. China's arguably influencing them more nowadays.
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>>75812838
Ruining Europe won't benefit Africa at large though, so they won't be the "winners".

Asia and Americas will be the real winners.
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We've been kicking arabs, jews and romas out for over 1000 years, it's not a problem we just need to be provoked
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>>75812939
pic
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>>75813007
We've been provoked enough, wouldn't you agree? The problem is the individualism meme that's being pushed on us instead of seeing each other as a ethnic unit with shared goals and threats.
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>>75812939
I'm only talking Australia, why would you talk about me or other countries when I made that pretty clear from the start. And no, China is not influencing them more lol. We drew their borders, made them speak our languages and gave them independence. China is paying corrupt people for some oil and building ghost cities
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>tfw this thread turn into a Asian vs European thread
Fight! Fight! Fight!
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>>75813058
No, when I say provoked I mean civil war/genocide. Belgium will probably become the first country to be hit. Pay in mind most European are still >90% European
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>>75813058
No. You need to be pushed more. I will help.
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>>75812312
What do you think of westerners coming to marry Thai girls?

Honest opinion please (I know a lot of people with Thai wives, including one of my best friends father)!
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Why are Asians so concerned with arabic and african migrants in Europe?
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>>75810759
VERY rude
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>>75813220
because the entire world know they suck BUT germans
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>>75810799
t. Dead economy
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>>75813257
And swedish.
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>>75813193
I will tell you and I will be honest: I think it's good. You don't know what women (and men) become like when they don't get sex and relationship. In my country they turn out very weird and vindictive. For women, they join pyramid schemes and cults. For men, they can get prostitutes if they can't get gf, but most men get gf/wife because there more than enough women.

But women become very sad and bitter and they are a headache for us. We have many women bosses that get very naggy and annoying. I wish I could marry them all off to foreigners.
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>>75813338
they are all g*rman stock
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>>75812312
>surplus females
How is that possible? Only wars or Russian alcoholism can create situations when there is a female surplus, otherwise nature always balances out the gender ration to approximately even.
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>>75813220
Because they're looking at us and they can't understand why we do it, why we lie to ourselves and why we allow the abuse to continue, decade after decade.

It's like watching a man sitting on a branch with a saw and doing his darndest to make sure he falls to his death.

And then when they point out that if we cut the branch we'll fall, people like you go ''WHY DO YOU EVEN CARE LMAO''
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>>75813103
>I'm only talking Australia, why would you talk about me or other countries when I made that pretty clear from the start.
Ok fair enough m8. Don't understand why you were getting so triggered desu.

> made them speak our languages
Good job. How's that turning out so far my immigrant friend?
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>>75813353
Ha', interesting. I can probably help you with 1 girl, unless I find someone here first. I really wanna visit Thailand some day though..
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>>75813389
>>>/pol/
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>>75813383
Except for when we import hundreds of thousands of Muslims.

Sweden has had more women than men since we started counting in the middle of the 18th century.

For the first time, in 2015 we suddenly had more men than women.

Thanks military-aged arabs refusing to defend their homelands :)
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>>75813484
lmao enjoy murder and rape
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no, get ready for the AFRIKAN century. it will be glorious.
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>>75813389
Europe has lost its mind and the world is watching with popcorn. Seriously though, it's crazy how different attitudes are in Asia toward this stuff.
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>>75813417
why so triggered aussie?
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>>75813522
that's rich, coming from Brazil
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>>75813383
I cannot say. I only know India and China have more males because they abort/kill many of their girls but in Thailand there is no stigma against girls because they are seen as just as profitable for families as boys if not more so.

http://countrymeters.info/en/Thailand

>The sex ratio of the total population was 0.966 (966 males per 1 000 females) which is lower than global sex ratio. The global sex ratio in the world was approximately 1 016 males to 1 000 females as of 2016.
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>>75812660
Bangkok only
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>>75813484
Sorry Hans, that's reality.
OUR positions are the EXTREME ones.
It's not NORMAL for a country to take in millions of reguees in one year, that is an EXTREME position.

And we are leftist extremists.
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>>75813484
It's not even an extreme opinion to think that multiculturalism has failed or that immigration into Europe from completely different cultures is way too high.
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>>75810869
and you and the entire West is now are sitting on a ticking timebomb of growing number of useless blacks, latinos and rapefugees in Europe's case, hell, you can have a non-German majority in 20 years and all the disgenics that comes with it, how does that make you trust the future?
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>>75813581
exactly lol enjoy becoming an african shithole like brazil
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>>75811721
>Europe 1.4
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>>75813590
>>75813594
thinking that multiculturalism has failed is not an extreme position.
however, thinking that taking middle eastern refugees is white genocide, is definitly an extreme position
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>>75813606
>>75813581
yeah, Brazil actually knows what it's like to havea huge population of browns that doesn't contribute.

maybe listen to them
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>>75812893
you can deny but its true
Europe is already a mess
China has big issues on the horizon too, population crisis bigger than anywhere else on earth, and big immigration just like Europe (though the state media downplays it)
Japan has big immigration too, its a dirty secret how large the percentage of Chinese there are in Japan.

Asia is not safe either, deluded nationalists here need to wake up and realize we have big problems coming soon, more than just migration.
and Trump poking about looking for a war is bad news, a desperate future china and retarded aggressive US is a bad combo
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>>75813606
have you ever considered that the information you are getting come from sensationalist news or from neet boards like /pol/ and dont accuratly represent the reality?
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>>75813133
all history is Orient vs Occident

everyone else is just caught in the middle

sad thing is soon both of us will be swallowed up by the "middlemen" if we are not careful
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>>75813682
It's not white genocide but being opposed to the ethnic make-up of your country radically changing is a completely natural and reasonable reaction and shouldn't be demonised
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>>75813702
How exactly is Europe a mess?
Over 90% of the population is still native European.

Now compare it to America with their 54% whites
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>>75813741
nah im getting my news from the real world where they commit crimes literally everywhere, youre just blind and or black
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>>75813682
I don't know, if you look at demographic trends in our countries, it's not that long until whites become the minority, especially of you consider that Sweden has existed for more than a thousand years and in the last 30 we've set ourselves on a path of whites becoming a minority.

A genocide isn't just the murder of a people, it's also the active displacement - or the active support of making a majority into a minority by supporting huge fluctuations in a country's demographics

Here you go Hans, because you don't seem to be able to see further than your own nose.

Genocide
> It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.

So even replacing our own cultures with ''multiculturalism'' is in fact a form of genocide.
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>>75813789
then maybe you should compare the crime statistics of Brazil to Germany?
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>>75813585
Do you mean you are aborting male babies, Thailand? Also, how is it not stigmatizing to whore out your daughters?
>>75813682
>pushing policies that lead to actively being displaced in your own country is not extreme
jesus...
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>>75813781
sure, its a natural reaction, but history shows us that such natural reaction can lead to discrimination, progroms or even genocide.
There is a reason why many people are so wary of that reaction
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>>75813784
this is lies
it goes by citizenship
most of France is French citizens but a lot of those french citizens are not French
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People outside western europe definitely overestimate the migrant trouble since all they know about it are news articles saying '4 somalis raped a girl' or '56% of afhgans support islamic state' like these things are not commonday things
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>>75813848
>I don't know, if you look at demographic trends in our countries, it's not that long until whites become the minority
Only if you assume that the current trend will continue infinitely.

>A genocide isn't just the murder of a people, it's also the active displacement - or the active support of making a majority into a minority by supporting huge fluctuations in a country's demographics
I am not really sure what you are implying. When muslims in Europe have more children then natives, it is literally holocaust?
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>>75813852
retard all im saying is that if you keep bringing in africans all you get is crime it is known, just look at the americas or london
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>>75813891
>In 2004, the Institut Montaigne estimated that within Metropolitan France, 51 million people were White (85% of the population), 6 million were North African (10%), 2 million were Black (3.3%), and 1 million were Asian (1.7%).[224][225]
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>>75813852
you are going to close the gap really soon my delusional friend
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>>75814032
>2004
meaningless
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>>75814032
2004?
Triassic history
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>>75814079
do you have any more recent data on which you base your opinion?
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>>75813889
I'd argue that letting the issue fester instead of dealing with it now would make the outcomes you listed more likely. You're just pretending that the problem doesn't exist and gradually pushing people closer to breaking point.
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>>75813952
>When muslims in Europe have more children then natives, it is literally holocaust?
Yep, according to the definition of the word it is.

As I've pointed out already.
If a people, like the Germans, have a nation where they are the majority, any action to turn that majority into a minority and deminish their influence in their own country is an act of genocide.

Now you might not agree with the definition of the word, or think it's not a big deal that it's happening, but according to the definition of the word, white genocide is actually a real thing.
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>>75813965
we dont "bring" africans, they come themselves illegaly
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>>75813952
Why wouldn't it continue? There's going to be new waves of refugees from the middle east and Africa, you know this Hans. Be it climate refugees or war refugees, and you think your current politicians would stop the next wave?
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>>75814135
yeah tell that to the shitalians who you literally make them bring them in by the boatloads
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>>75814110
Well, luckily for us, we already have a refugee treaty with Turkey and are in progress of creating similar treaties with north african nations.
So it doesn't seem to me like our leaders would be ignorant towards the problem
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>>75813889
>the death of your civilisation can lead to discrimination, and that's the real problem
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>>75814131
>>75814163
>>75813952

Also, I am not IMPLYING anything Hans.
>Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
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>>75813880
>Do you mean you are aborting male babies, Thailand? Also, how is it not stigmatizing to whore out your daughters?

They tend to do it on their own, sometimes as a part-time or temp thing. No one wants their daughters to do it, but sometimes 7/11 jobs just don't pay much on their own. Obviously it is more common among the lower classes. But even non-sex-related work women have better chances, like assistants or secretaries or models or MCs. Everyone wants to have women. Most job ads for service sectors like restaurants or airlines call exclusively for women.

And no one is aborting males.
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>>75814131
But you have failed to explain how immigrants having more children is a "coordinated plan" or has the aim to annihilate the national group.
Without such plan, the definition of genocide is not met
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>>75814165
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>>75814246
First of all, we know they have more children, so when politicians take them in, knowing that they will out-breed the native popuatlion how is that not a coordinated plan by the government? It might not be the reason for taking them in, but the facts are known to everyone - and everyone understands them.
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>>75814183
It's too late, you've already created parallel societies in your country and because of birth rate differences they will only grow bigger. Also, can you really trust your government to not do the same thing again, especially when migration out of Africa increases because of global warming?
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>>75813896
Crime is not even the problem. Wait until you see nothing but peace-loving Muslims in all the places you grew up in, wait until mosques replace churches, halal fast foods replace normal bars and restaurants everywhere in sight, veiled women replace Danish women, etc.
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>>75814336
>It might not be the reason for taking them in
Then it doesn't have the aim to annihilate the national group, and thus is no genocide.

Its like nuclear bombs dropped in Japan killed a lot of nips, but since the goal wasn't to anihilate Japanese people, it was no genocide
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>>75814375
It seems to me you work under the assumption that the birth rates stay the same over generation, which is historically not the case

>Also, can you really trust your government to not do the same thing again, especially when migration out of Africa increases because of global warming?
Yes. Our government wasn't prepared for such immigrant crisis and was caught off guard. But now they know about the problem and will make preparations so it wont happen again
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>>75811861
I don't think that's our problem, Francisco
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>>75814469
>it does not aim to.
But it still does in the end and people know it's happening, they accept it as an unfortunate side-effect, the results are the SAME weather you intend to or not.
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>>75814428
Easy there, muslims make up less than 4% of the population with 60 years of muslim immigration and I can assure you that no church in Denmark will turn into a mosque, that would cause a huge outrage.
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>>75814032
>2004
>old white people (a good chunk of them already dead today) but young Africans who make a ton of children
>plus 200,000 people having immigrated each year
>plus illegal immigration
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>>75810627
Hehe Russia are both Europe and Asia hahahahahaha. Like a South Korean flag.
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>>75814572
but there is a huge difference if our leaders activly try to anihilate native European population or if it is a unfortunate side effect of demographic development
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>>75814673
love Russia
always finds its way back on top even when everyone is against it
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>>75813755
command and conquer generals when?
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>>75814685
You say ''demographic development'' like it's something inevitable. It's not, we could control our borders and stop immigrants from coming in if we wanted to. There is literally nothing stopping us. The fact that we don't, and the fact that we have politicians who refuse to - and that refusal in turn leading to a demographic shift is indeed genocide.

Your average ''refugees welcome'' voter might not want Germans to become a minority in Germany, but that vote is still leading to that happening.
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>>75814791
I wish china was a genuine superpower and the US was less fucked up

could go for a proper cold war between East and West
Chinese Dragon vs American Bull

instead we have a paper tiger and a bloated cow
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>>75814242
>And no one is aborting males.
Then I really don't understand. Nature would balance it out. AFAIK it's like 51%-male 49% female normally, which gets closer to even because of higher infant mortality of males.
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>>75814627
>4%

Should be 0%. Now the Muslim shit show can begin, you're just Belgium with 30 years of backwardness.
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>>75814867
What is stopping us is the fact that German/Swedish have less than 2 children per women.
If we don't have any immigration, our generation will be poor once we are retired; there will be not enough money to pay our pensions
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>>75814910
I don't know if America is a paper tiger. I see it more like a fully armed tiger that is so dependent on the bloated cow that it simply can't kill it.
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>>75814933
By that point most jobs will be automated anyway, eliminating the need for cheap labour
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>>75814933

That baby boomer attitude is what fucked everything in the first place
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>>75814933
>What is stopping us is the fact that German/Swedish have less than 2 children per women.
This is a problem, I agree. But there are things we haven't tried that we should have tried instead.

Like public campaigns for having more children (like they tried in Denmark), more compensation for new parents or other kinds of perks.

If all that fails, why not take in immigrants from countries with cultures that aren't harmful to us?

Do you think a million Thais would cause the same trouble as a million somalis? If you think that you're retarded.
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>>75814926
>Lowest amount of asylum seekers in 6 years
>Highest fertility rate since 2009
>Border control enforced
>Anti-immigration parties keep growing
Your country may go to shit but that doesn't mean the rest of ours is
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>>75814951
China is a paper tiger
America is a fat cow

I thought about America being a Roman eagle but I think a bull better fits it
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>>75814933
Demographics are destiny
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>>75813702
Kek China's population is rising until at least 2040, and that's if they keep the 2 child policy.
By that time they'll be importing more indians and jungle gooks than anyone else on the planet. It'll be a truly arr rook same society

There are less than one million Chinese in japan. Fewer than Chinese in Korea.
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>>75814242
Chinese/10

>asean nationalists dislike Chinese
>masturbate to their chinese diaspora women
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>>75812101
>they're not European
Fuck off with this dumb meme
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>>75815049
The problem is with the ones who are already inside, tbqh. They will breed like rabbits and subjugate you slowly.
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>>75814997
maybe they will, maybe they wont
however, it is foolish to risk the wellbeeing of your nation by relying on future inventions that may or may not come in time
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>>75815139
>dislike Chinese
No.

>chinese diaspora women
Also no. All our ruling class are Chinese or Chinese descent. Including me. We have more Chinese here than anywhere else outside China.
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>>75815182
Except their fertility rate is only 0.3 higher than ethnic danes and that gap is closing. They don't even reproduce enough to replace themselves. Denmark had enough at 90% ethnic danish and 95% white
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>>75815035
>Like public campaigns for having more children (like they tried in Denmark), more compensation for new parents or other kinds of perks.
Those solutions are not mutually exlusive, we can do both at the same time.

>If all that fails, why not take in immigrants from countries with cultures that aren't harmful to us?
I don't know about Sweden, but Germany does just that. Most immigrants in Germany come from fellow EU countries

>Do you think a million Thais would cause the same trouble as a million somalis?
Unfortunately we don't get to chose which people illegally immigrate to our countries
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>>75815315
>unforunately we don't get to chose which people illegally migrate to our countries
Actually you do. You could be much tougher in enforcing your laws and much tougher with deportations.

IF you closed your borders to certain nationalities it would be simple enough to stop the vast majority of illegal immigration.

Furthermore, you took in more than a million refugees in 2015/16, you could have denied every single one of them, yet you didn't. That was the choice of the German government and by extention the choice of the German people.

You are willingly replacing your native population with foreigners, just like we are.

And replacing a native population, or their culture with others is by definition genocide.

And if you wanted mor Thais to come to Germany, you could do a thousand things to make that happen, give them perks, actively promote for it to happen over there as far as the Thai government allows.

The idea that we don't have a choice is moronic.
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>>75815459
If we close our borders those illegal immigrants will stay in Austria. If other countries will close their borders, then they will stay in Greece/Italy.
Is this the European solidarity, letting the Southern European countries alone with the problem?

>Furthermore, you took in more than a million refugees in 2015/16, you could have denied every single one of them, yet you didn't.
We took them in for humanitarian reasons, to help refugees from a war zone. We didn't take the syrians to improve our economy or demographics
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>>75815276
So you have two solutions:

>increase fertility rate of native Danes (thus increase the one of Muslims too)
>or import more brown Muslims instead lol

And don't discard converts to Islam, mixed marriages, etc.
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>>75815520
If you're gonna take all refugees from war-zones and whatnot, you're gonna be majority Muslim in 50 years.
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>>75815520
The EU as an economic powerhouse should have enough leverage by the sheer force of its size to force any other country to take back illegals. If humanitarian international agreements stand in the way, they can be quit too. Big players write the rules. If others don't like it, they can fuck off. No country is forced to abolish itself because muh poor migrants are poor and wars and shit.

The fact that the EU chose none of those things show that the leadership, the business andthe media estabilishment is corrupt and rotten to the core because they were actively working against the interests of the people.
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>>75815520
>Stay in Austria
Which is their problem, and then the should defend their borders just like you did.
It's not YOUR fault that they happen to be on the way to Germany.

And I agree, South Europe should be able to close their borders completely, (without our governments calling them fascist) and if they are protecting us as well as themselves, we should help pay the cost of those borders.

>Humanitarian reasons
Genocide for humanitarian reasons. If you think replacing your own population with foreigners is the right thing to do, that's your problem. I'm personally not a supporter of self-inflicted genocide, which it is, according to the defintion of the word.

There are other ways to improve your demographics problems, you dont have to import uneducated muslims.
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reminder that global warming will make agriculture in africa and the middle east yield less, this will result in large migrations from said areas to Europe and north Eurasia, which benefit from global warming
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>>75815683
There's like a hundred million refugees currently in the world, if they took them all it would take a month for them to become a minority.
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>>75816096
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>>75816096
Daily reminder that the migration policies of today will end*

*except in Sweden
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>>75816237
the UN will put huge pressure on european countries to accept climate refugees, it will get worse
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>>75816342
I don't think it will. Maybe for US, but our location will save us from complete collapse I think. Because south Europe will decide enough is enough, and when the majority of the EU then decides for closed borders we can scream all we want and fly all the refugees here by plane we want.

But when they realise what's coming down there, I can't see them not stopping it.
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>>75815275
I meant Indos Malays Flips
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Feminism is the root cause of the decline of the West.

Heed these you Asian manlets: if you want to succeed, control you women.
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>>75815520
>We took them in for humanitarian reasons
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Just remember that as you colonize you are in turn colonized.

Prepare for immigrants.
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>>75815520
All those Senegalese fleeing their warzone appreciate it too I suppose
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>>75816486
it's too late :(
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>>75810627
> North america becoming irrelevant
> South America terminally ill
The things these chinks come up with. Lad, Colombia, Argentina, Canada, Mexico, Brazil and USA will still be among the largest economies in the world by 2050
http://uk.businessinsider.com/pwc-ranking-of-biggest-economies-ppp-2050-2017-2/#31-colombia-2074-trillion-2
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>>75816486
*this
*Your

Christ. WTf
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>>75813682
It's not even a political question, but one of simple arithmetic. Your birth rates are through the floor. You're importing a shit load of foreigners with some of the highest birth rates in the world. It doesn't matter if the total percentage of your country doesn't move much if the incoming generations are 30-40-50% or more consisting of foreigners. It only takes a generation or two and you're well on your way.
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>>75817051
>brown reggaeton shitholes with an average IQ of 87
>largest economies
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>>75817169
>France calling other cunts brown
dude, you're being flooded by mena and the whole of africa
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>>75816237
Not in France either
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>>75817051
>

*despacito plays*
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>>75811861
Fuck off Ahmed
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>>75814933
>it's OK to destroy my country for the sake of senior citizen gibs
This is fucking pathetic. Congratulations on confirming everything about the German stereotype.
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>>75817218
>reads fact
>answers with ad hominem

Can you get more reggaeton than this?
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https://www.dailysabah.com/op-ed/2017/04/29/making-the-most-of-a-post-western-world

For me, it's Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
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>>75817367
at least it became relevantworldwide as shitty as that music might be. Now tell me something relevant that has come out of your country in the last decade?
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Gran Colombia will rise again and restore the hispanic empire
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>>75813103
>We
>Our
Bud Denmark hasn't done anything in the past 200 years but send Jews to Sweden

Seriously mince yourself
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>>75815968
economy means shit if you don't have army to back it up.
And that's what EU is lacking, so our hands are tied
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>>75816059
>South Europe should be able to close their borders completely
How would that work? By letting people drown?
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>>75816712
again, what are we supposed to do, let them drown?
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>>75817971
Are you an idiot? Have you heard of tugboats?
The only reason why someone someone would risk their lives in a boat is if they know they will get free shit on the other side, of they knew European ships would just tow them back to Africa every time the people going over with boats would decline.
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>>75818092
I have heard of tugboats.
Still, you didnt answere how Greece and Italy are supposed to close their sea borders
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>>75817971
>>75818005
That's a risk anyone crossing the Mediterranean in a piece of shit dingy takes. Hell, even rich people on cruise ships take that risk in the Med on Italian liners. You are naive and a perfect example of compassion being as capable of blinding someone's greater mental faculties as much as fear or hatred. It's being used against you.
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>>75818005
>>75817971
Let's help this German understand the simple concept of hooking a line to a boat and tugging it somewhere.

I hope that this visualisation will help your visualisation German man comprehend this simple concept.

Now, imagine that barge of dirt to be a boat of refugees and you will understand, I hope.
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>>75817925
Pissy because NATO doesn't answer to the EU?
Furthermore you EU Federalists should stop beating around the bush and announce your fourth fucking Reich already, it's tiresome watching you sleazy fucks trying to subversively establish your "Nation"

>>75817971
>>75818005
Yes

Almost all of Syria and Iraq's neighboring nations have next to nil refugees, with the exceptions of Lebanon and Turkey

They're going to Europe for free shit

>>75818170
Gun down the boat-people
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>>75810627
>Asian century

I think you mean Chinese century. Anyway, I don't particularly care. It is folly to regret events beyond your control.
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>>75818192
so you would just let the people drown?

>>75818211
>and tugging it somewhere
where is somewhere?
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>>75818236
edgy
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>>75818298
Back to North Africa you child
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>>75817453
>w-we're more relevant than France I s-swear!!
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>>75818298
Libya

they don't report about this in Germany? how can you have no knowledge about the migrant routes to Europe?
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>>75818298
Back to Africa of course, where they set out with the boat from in the first place.
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>>75818378
libya say "no thank you"
now what?
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>>75818170
What are:
>tugging refos back to North Africa
>letting some drown to send a message
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>>75818345
Sure why not?

>>75818411
Say "Too bad"
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>>75818411
Then we tow them back to Lybian waters, because we have the right to say ''No'' to the Lybians just like they have the right to say no to us.

What probably would happen instead is that the EU would pay Lybia some money to accept the situation.
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>>75818411
Libya doesn't have the power to say "no thank you". If one government of Libya says so we'll negotiate a deal with another. Look at Erik Prince's model for using mercenaries to train a Libyan border patrol.
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>>75818437
>What probably would happen instead is that the EU would pay Lybia some money to accept the situation.
The problem is that Lybia has no stable government that could make such a treaty with EU
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>>75818510
Then therefore they have no reasonable capacity to refuse refugees

kys
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>>75818298
If their boats capsize that's a risk they took. Your position would have every single one of them wading into the water with a life jacket to facilitate rescue and continue the migratory track anyway. Again, you are naive and your misplaced sense of compassion for people who do not like you, your history, your culture, or your values is being used as a rhetorical weapon against you.
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>>75818510
Then make deals with local governments.
The point still stands, if Lybia can refuse to accept us pushing people into their waters, then we have the same rights to stop people coming into ours from their side.

And you seem to be very moralizing about ''letting them drown'', aren't Lybia letting them drown by letting them go into rickety boats in the first place?

We could get a deal easily enough with whatever government there is in Lybia.
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>>75818593
Lybia is basically an anarchy, they have no means to control who goes through their country

>Then make deals with local governments.
That's what we doing. We are also helping them to train costal guards. But the results dont happen overnight, such things take time
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>>75818557
It's cool if you dont mind letting people drown, but that's not something I am ok with.
And I am glad that my government and the majority of my countrymen share my opinion
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>>75818688
>takes time
And all the while Italian ships drive up to refugee boats and help them back to Italy.
Intead, they should be towed back to Lybia. It is not our fault their country is in turmoil. A lybian civil war doesn't mean the whole world needs to suffer.
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>>75810627
DuiBuQi /int/, my name is Chingchong Tingtong Linglong,

I'm a 27 year old American FOB (fresh of the boat for all you GuiLao). I farm rice for work, and spend my days playing superior Chinese games. (Romance of the three kingdoms XXCIII and various other MMORPG based on WoW).
I train with my Chopsticks every day, this superior weapon can pierce through all kinds of meat because they have been using it for over 5000 years, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I earned my Fly-catching license two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.

I speak Chinese fluently, both Mandarin and the Engrish dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Chinese history and their Soy sauce code, which I follow 100%

When I get my Chinese visa, I am moving to Beijing to attend a prestigious High School to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become a laborer for Nike sweatshops or a WoW gold farmer!

I own several Rice hats, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to China, so I can fit in easier. I drink with my elders and seniors and speak Chinese as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in China!
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>>75818735
Oh how humanitarian of you, you're going to save the world one refugee at a time!
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literally cannot wait for our chinese overlords to take over
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>>75818735
Why would more people drown if we towed their boats back to Africa instead of moving them to Europe? Your arguments are fucking retarded.

Also, the reason why a lot of people drown is because they know there are no consequences for entering our countries illegally, so your policies actually make these desperate people risk their lives in boats because of the chance that they can get here.

If that chance didn't exist they would not take the boats.
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>>75818735
How does one refute this arguement?
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>>75818735
>It's cool if you dont mind letting people drown, but that's not something I am ok with.
>And I am glad that my government and the majority of my countrymen share my opinion

Good goyim. Sign your own death warrant and call it charity. How brave of you.
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>>75818745
>It is not our fault their country is in turmoil.
actually, it is
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>>75818735
gr9 b9 m9
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>>75818829
I have the feeling I am repeating myself.
We can't just towe the boats to Africa, because "Africa" is not some sort of inhabited land, but it consists of numerous sovereign states, and it is against the law to just dump people into foreign countries
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>>75818892
Who gives a fuck? Let them die. The preservation of European civilization is more important than the lives of foreigners. If their boats capsize they have killed themselves.
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>>75818892
Strange, I don't see Sweden or Germany in that list. You have a strange concept of ''we''.

Are you saying because other countries do something, it's our fault?

Did Sweden start world war 2 simply because we're kinda close to Germany?

Just fucking stop you fucking retard.

Your argument is basically this.

>Africans start jumping of bridges in Africa becauase they're not allowed to go to Germany
>ITS OUR FAULT THEY'RE JUMPING OF BRIDGES! WE MUST SAVE THEM
>More people start jumping of bridges because they know it works

I hate you.
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>>75818735
So, are you going to donate half of your money to a country with starving people? Are you going to give up your home or invite the homeless to live with you? Are you going to go out of your way to help stop any and all suicide you encounter?

You're hopelessly idealistic and that is why your country will no longer be your own in less than fifty years. I'm sure once you're a tiny minority in your own country adhering to the laws of foreigners you will feel happy to sit alone in the dark schlicking yourself to the thought of "at least I was a moralistic twat and got to enjoy feeling smug for it all."

>>75818835
Draw hypocrisy to their stances. Their policies make African countries worse by subsidizing their demographic overgrowth. Their policies make European countries worse, even from their own perspectives given those poor immigrants are coming into supposedly hostile cultures. The migrant is exploited for cheap labor and votes, the native is subjugated by the state.

Point out how meaningless their compassion is, how it only leads to even more misery and destruction without fixing anything at all like >>75818829 did. Hans here crying for dingy boats is making it possible for more victims.
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>>75818938
Same goes for dumping them in European countries unless you're clinically retarded
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>>75818938
Your interlocutors understand this, which is why they suggest COMPENSATING North African governments and TRAINING a Libyan border patrol to intercept human traffickers.
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>>75818938
then you tow it back to the country the boat came from. And not, it's not illegal to tow a boat back to the country it came from. Especially not if its cargo is illegal in the first place.
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>>75818951
You'd sound more convincing if you weren't the reason they were swarming Europe in the first place.
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>>75818745
Hmmm NATO broke Libya
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>>75818999
He's German, they can't understand simple concepts like how not only European countries are supposed to follow international law.
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>>75818951
>Who gives a fuck?
we do

>The preservation of European civilization is more important than the lives of foreigners.
luckily, those things are not mutually exclusive
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>>75819021
>I, a private citizen, am responsible for the foreign policy decisions of the oligarchical empire I live in

Ah yes compelling argument, bravo friend
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>>75818966
we are not on that list, but as eurpeans, it is our duty and within our best interest to help our fellow european countries like italy or greece
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>>75819021
BAH

They could swarm their neighbors but they'd rather run the gauntlet for Europe, we don't blow up their house and then paradrop a map of routes to Germany

>>75819062
>We
Nice projection

>luckily, those things are not mutually exclusive
Somewhat true, but this depends entirely on your ability to integrate refugees, which has yet to be seen since your nation doesn't want to integrate them, but rather conform to their whims
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>>75819030
Sweden is not a part of NATO, and there are several EU nations that aren't either.

EU and NATO or not the same thing, so what NATO does force the EU to do something else.
>>75819088
Exactly, we should help them stop refugees from illegally entering their waters.
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>>75819066
Is the US a democracy or not?

You can claim to be moral because of democracy and spread it to the world, and them claim that you have no responsibility for your government's actions.
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>>75818967
>So, are you going to donate half of your money to a country with starving people? Are you going to give up your home or invite the homeless to live with you? Are you going to go out of your way to help stop any and all suicide you encounter?
But helping refugees requires much less personal commitment than your examples
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>>75819021
Not him, but America's stupid as fuck foreign policy creating refugees is one thing, their presence in Europe is another. Nobody let those people in but Europeans. Nobody gives them benefits and incentivizes their movement but Europeans. A great many of the migrants have nothing to do with conflicts and are simply looking for economic opportunism.

America could knock down any state in MENA and it would not mean anything to Europe if they were serious about defending themselves.
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>>75819066
At least you admit Western democracies are hypocritical failures and are the biggest argument for why they should crash and burn.
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>>75818999
we are bound by the rule of law
human trafficers are not
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>>75819118
I don't care. If you are going to be deluded, stay so.

NATO and the EU are allies. The EU also issued multiple statements supporting the intervention.

Either way, Sweden is gonna have to accept the refugees.
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>>75819004
so whats the problem then?
it shows that our leaders understand the problem and are working on long term solutions
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>>75819185
We already have, way more that you did as well.
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>>75819126
>You can claim to be moral because of democracy and spread it to the world, and them claim that you have no responsibility for your government's actions

You are putting words in my mouth. I have claimed no such thing.
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>>75819088

>>75819126
The US was never a democracy in the most honest sense of the word

It's representative and we give our representatives a certain degree of autonomy to best legislate the power of the nation
What they decide they do with it is only their responsibility

If US foreign policy was left entirely to referendum rather than the Presidency the world would be in an even deeper chaos
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>>75819169
>these people are criminals, so we should just let them do as they please while we take care of their shit
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>>75819132
Which just goes to show you're a selfish person more interested in egotistical self-aggrandizement. Your money, your home, your time, your country and culture. Why are you willing to sacrifice the latter when it will become personal to you beyond the immediate myopia of your decisions very soon?
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>>75819116
>They could swarm their neighbors

They are. There are literally millions of them in countries like Jordan and Turkey. I realize you probably don't hear about it on Fox News but try to at least pretend you're not retarded.
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>>75819116
I am moved by how much you are worried by the wellbeeing of european people
but worry not, the refugees are not here to stay. once the situation in syria improves, the majority will be sent back
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>>75819246
i dont believe i am gonna sacrifice my country and my culture by helping refugees
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>>75819143
Yes. And the USA fucking up the entire middle east over supposed WMDs would have stopped the refugees as well. Stop acting like the responsibility just starts once the refugees touch our borders.

Also, the Geneva Conventions and UN Convention on refugees do. The EU actually follows the laws it agrees to, unlike the USA.

All legitimate refugees must be accepted if they reach the EU's borders.
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>>75810627
>Asia (sans Muslim regions) remains strong and stable into the foreseeable future
HAHAHAH
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>>75819239
so whe should abandon the rule of law?
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>>75819196
Because people with the same weak mentality like you will be around the next time this shit goes down, and then Germany will have another million people to deal with, 6 years later there will be another million and so on until your fucking country dies.
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>>75819253
Pray tell, how would the situation in Syria improving mean jack or shit to the migrants from countries that have nothing to do with it? Please don't tell me you're still under the hopeless delusion these are all Syrians. Please don't tell me you still think your government, which had not the capability nor inclination to stop the wave in the beginning will suddenly grow a spine and deport people en mass.
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>>75819237
The USA is a democracy you motherfucking idiot. A representative democracy that REPRESENTS the will of the people. Therefore the American people are responsible.

Claiming that only direct democracy is democracy, is simply juvenile. If you tried that argument face to face, you'd be ripped to shreds.
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>>75818818
Same here.
The Chinese will wipe out the muslims and negroes
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>>75819343
>>75819375
European governments were unprepared to such refugee influx and were caught off guard.
They are, however, learning from their mistakes, and taking measurements to prevent such a crisis in future.
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>>75819253
>but worry not, the refugees are not here to stay. once the situation in syria improves, the majority will be sent back
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhhahahhahaaHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

Du glaubst doch auch noch an den Osterhase.
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>>75819298
And that's the important part. You "believe." Your position is one of faith. There is no reason, no examination of facts, no consideration of trends. Your hubris and arrogance states your culture is so immovably dominant that it's no longer susceptible to the same governing forces that have determined the existence of nations from the beginning of civilization. You've bought the platitudes concerning 'progress,' so hard you have subconsciously removed yourself from the dynamics that influence every tribe on this Earth.
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>>75819375
Refugees from Iraq/Syria/Libya/Yemen/Somolia/Afghanistan form over 65% of the entire refugee flow in 2015-2016.

Funny how all of those places got invaded and fucked up by the USA.
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>>75819324
These people are abusing our goodwill. The more people we pick up, the more people they send on boats 100% sure to end up in trouble.

These people may need help, but not by letting them replace our culture. They have proven time and time again not to be capable of properly learning our language and customs, and have not the faintest fraction of our intellect.
If you want to help these people out of the goodness of your heart, help them in their own country.

But the ones who decide to forsake their own country and seek their fortunes by abusing our social support, they deserve nothing but the drowning that they would have anywhere else.
If a boat full of Germans got into trouble near the coast of Somalia, would you really be as naive as to think they would do anything to you but cut your throat and take your valuables?
We should stimulate them to work on making their own countries better places, not only because it's morally just, but also because the sheer number of poor people is far too great to allow them all in our countries. And do you really think the ones who are pathetic and craven enough to abandon their own countries are the ones who need our help most?

You can watch this video if you want more information.
Exactly the same counts for Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
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>>75819474
Look at the Balkan refugees
They were sent home aswell
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>>75819305
Again, many of these people have nothing to do with conflict zones. The Uzbek truck of peace driver in Sweden for instance. If you're more concerned with moralistic grandstanding than self-preservation that is again your problem and no amount of Chinese, American, or Russian dickery influences that. You allow it. You can change it. You choose not to. This fatalistic resignation to outside forces is why your society is passive and weak.
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>>75819324
We already did when we let those people into germany.

They wandered trough ~10 save countires to come here. The law states that they are not allowed refugee status here because they came from save countries.

But our government gives a shit about the law.
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>>75819394
I'm not that anon but nine times out of ten the presidency goes to the campaign that spends more money. America is run by private interests. Our elections are for show and have been for quite a while. You cannot truly be suggesting every American is responsible personally for the decisions of our executive branch.
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>>75819477
Germany has several times helped by taking refugees, for example French Protestants, Balkan people, Vietnamese, Jews from Soviet Union.
And yet here we are, still alive and well

>Your hubris and arrogance states your culture is so immovably dominant that it's no longer susceptible to the same governing forces that have determined the existence of nations from the beginning of civilization
name one (1) nation that was destroyed by taking refugees
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>>75819398
They already are.
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>>75819251
Millions in Jordan and Turkey and none in Saudi Arabia and Iran, which would both be more logical locations for refuge than Germany or the Philippines ffs

>>75819253
>I am moved by how much you are worried by the wellbeeing of european people
And am I supposed to be moved by your resolve to integrate Europe into your apathetic, corrupt economic Union?

>but worry not, the refugees are not here to stay. once the situation in syria improves, the majority will be sent back
You still haven't even gotten rid of refugees from the Balkan conflicts from the 90's, so I highly doubt that the majority of the millions of migrants masquerading as refugees will be sent back to their respective hellholes

I mean after all, I should have no doubt of Germany's bureaucratic efficiency considering you've detained Chinese citizens after mistaking them for Syrians

>>75819305
The US has refugees from the Syrian conflict

We vet them unlike Germany

>>75819324
Rule of law would imply you punish criminals rather than care for them

>>75819394
You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about

For instance, we elect our representatives on the basis that they will represent the collective interest of the community they represent, NOT on the basis that they will represent the whims of every single constituent of theirs
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>>75819545
>The more people we pick up, the more people they send on boats 100% sure to end up in trouble.
That's why we need to find other solutions like targeting traffickers, training costal guards, helping transit nations. But in the mean times, we can't let a humanitarian crisis happen.
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>>75819622
Many nations have been destroyed by demographic trends and the replacement of natives. See: Tibet and the Native American nations
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>>75819572
We did it to help friendly nations like Greece or Italy who couldn't handle the refugee influx
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>>75819622
And non of those ethnic groups had a medieval belief system and no usable kind of education
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>>75819702
pretty sure those weren't refugees though
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>>75819723
2/3 of all refugee aplications were done in germany

Are we 2/3´s of the whole EU?
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>>75819622
You don't seem to understand a great many of these people are not refugees, but economic migrants. Please tell me how Congolese and Uzbek migrants have anything to do with Syria. You have no working sense of pattern recognition because you're blinded by naivete and compassion and it will be your downfall. You are not making the world a better place. Their countries of origin will remain the same, yet you are only sacrificing your own.

Refugees are frequently the cause of collapse whether it's the migration into Han China or the refugees in Lebanon decades ago.
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>>75819733
pretty sure Huguenots had a medieval believe system
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>>75819763
How the foreigners infiltrate, whether it be conquest, immigration, or humanitarian asylum is irrelevant: the result is still the creation of a cancerous fifth column and homogenizing cultural and gene flow
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>>75819763
Neither are the majority of these migrants.
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>>75819788
unfortunately, many of our eastern european friends only understand solidarity when they benefit from it
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>>75819690
You're taking the one statement that you think you have a reply to and ignoring the rest of my post.

The ones making the humanitarian crisis are they themselves, we are not responsible for what they do to themselves no matter if we have supported parties in their country before.

It's going to be an endless cycle of
>train coast guards
>coast guards turn out to be Islamist extremists
>use their coast guard training to traffic terrorists even more efficiently
>"oh no we trained the coastguards, now all of this must be our fault"

These people are incapable of fitting in civilisation, completely unlike "French Protestants, Balkan people, Vietnamese, Jews from Soviet Union" which is a completely wrong comparison for which you should be ashamed.
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>>75819817
They are protestants
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>>75819792
name one country that was destroyed by economic migrants then
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>>75819855
They understand what dooms a nation when they see it.
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>>75819855
Your Eastern European friends still have a vestige of the natural drive for self preservation as a people, which is why you disdain them, having evidently grown holier than such desires
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>>75819847
then how comes it never happend by humanitarian asylum before?
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>>75819865
>These people are incapable of fitting in civilisation
that's a rather bold statement, counsidering that civilisation was born in their home countries
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>>75819931
Does it matter how the worm gets into the apple? Once its in there it will rot.
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>>75819886
The Cherokee Nation, the Sioux Nation, the Apachee Nation, etc.
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>>75819886
No, you don't get to shift goalposts. This post just shows you don't care at all about the specifics of foreigners coming into your country to the point you're willing to conflate refugees fleeing a war to people taking advantage of you.
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>>75819817
Protestants did not have a medieval belief system, it was updated for the Renaissance

Germany as a nation did not exist and there were already established German states with protestant majorities, they found their refuge there

Muslim refugees in a secular nation would be the equivalent of the Huguenots fleeing to Inquisitionist Spain
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>>75819964
We are not living in 3000bc.

You are a fucking troll.
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>>75819981
except your ancestors came as conquerors, not as civilians seeking help or job opportunity

>>75819985
i dont like people taking advantage of me, but it doesn't mean i would let those people drow
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>>75820045
Trolls get people to argue with one another

He is merely an idiot
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>>75819931
Because nobody has been that naively stupid to believe it until 21st Century Europe came along.

>>75819964
Those civilizations are thousands of years old and long dead. The same people you're making excuses for had ancestors who put them there in case you're not familiar with the deaths of the Persian, Byzantine, or North African empires.
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>>75819964
The term civilisation is subject to a shift in meaning over time, and modern civilisation requires much more of an individual than being able to wield a sword (which, admittedly, they are) or being able to plough a field or stack a couple of stones.
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>>75818557

We should blame our own system, not economic refugees. We should apply rules and regulation to our welfare system to disincentivize coming to European countries.

You can't blame a person to come collect money here for their families who are living in bad conditions while in their homecountries there aren't many options for them.
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>>75820073
What is it you think conquerors invade nations for? Control, land, wealth. All things these migrants want. The only reason they're peaceful and not an invading army is because you're a doormat that doesn't oppose it so they have no need to.
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>>75820000
nice digits
but seriously, do you unironically believe that Huguenots in 16th century were less backward than syrians today?
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>>75820153
You have to compare the people of the 16th century with the people of the 16th century and not with the people of today...
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>>75820117
Yes you can blame them. Having a poor lot in life does not absolve anyone for making their choices. You're infantilizing them and that's one of the reasons they will never respect you or want to integrate into your society. You can have a semblance of a European welfare state and strong borders at the same time.
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>>75820079
so you only "believe" that refugees can destroy countries, since you have no actual proof?

>Those civilizations are thousands of years old and long dead.
Sure, but the fact that they existed shows that those people are capable of civilization under right circumstances
I find it really worrysome how you and other posters here see syrians as some sort of subhumans, just because they live in a less developed country
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>>75820153
You're right.
If I see any Huguenots from the 16th century I'll tell them to get out of my country.
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>>75812549
>ironically Africans might have the brightest future simply because they have a booming population
That's only good if it's a valuable and exploitable resource but automation and a large world population have kind of destroyed that industrial revolution bonus.
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>>75820094
I am sure than back then, they would have called us barbarians and said that we are uncapable of civilization
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>>75820141
>The only reason they're peaceful and not an invading army is because you're a doormat that doesn't oppose it so they have no need to.
also, because they have no weapons and are completely dependand on our goodwill
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>>75820153
I never said I did so I'm interested as to why you'd imply that

It was a metaphor not a statement of fact

Moreover Syrians have multiple denominations of Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc. which is something I don't expect you to know
I won't compare a broad modern national group to the same degree as a specific people of 16th Century France
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>>75820229
>>75820281
they were pretty backward in 16th century, but their children are modern civilized people now. One of them is even our interior minister.
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>>75820297
I am also completely sure they would have slaughtered us if our people had gone to their country en masse to profit from their wealth.

We didn't though, because our countries had relatively good quality of life even back then, and we were able to create well functioning and relatively harmonious settlements.
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>>75820355
you seem to be rather knowledgeable. Then I am sure that you are also aware that Syrians are not nearly as religious as saudi-arabians, for examples
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>>75820255
You completely missed the point. Those dead civilizations were killed by these people's ancestors. There's also the ludicrous point of you reaching back hundreds and thousands of years to justify a contemporary policy.

Refugees destroy countries all the time. Why do you think China's border with NK is militarized? What do you think happened to Han China during the northern migration that led to its collapse? Just a few decades ago Lebanon underwent the same thing happening to Europe now and it caused decades of bloodshed, civil war, and now it's firmly a Muslim majority nation.

Stop assuming these people are all Syrian, they're not. Not even a majority even. The only one who seems to hold them as subhuman are people like you who treat them like children with your white savior complexes, even to your own detriment. They're people and like any people they're as capable of petty evil and greed as the next person, things idealists like you ignore because you're more inclined to treat them like dogs who can't help themselves.
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>>75820391
They were exactly as backward as the rest of Europe in the 16th century, probably even less.
They had a relatively high socio-economic status, stop bullshitting.
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>>75820452
I hope you are not suggesting we should slaughter them aswell
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>>75820514
No, of course not.
But we shouldn't stop them if they try to drown themselves either, and we definitely should not let them into our countries.
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>>75820471
Why are you so brazenly attempting to change the topic at hand with every reply?
Do you have problems comprehending?

What does the religious nature of Syrians have to do with you implying that I asserted that Islam is more "Medieval" than Protestantism for making a metaphor that implied incompatible religions and cultures will naturally lead to conflict?
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>>75820491
>There's also the ludicrous point of you reaching back hundreds and thousands of years to justify a contemporary policy.
What about Ottoman Empire?

>What do you think happened to Han China during the northern migration that led to its collapse?
Mongol invasion?

>Just a few decades ago Lebanon underwent the same thing happening to Europe
Wait, are you complaining about Lebanon taking in people of their own culture? Do you also complain about Germany taking Germans who were banished from Eastern Europe after WW2?

>Stop assuming these people are all Syrian, they're not. Not even a majority even.
Ok, are we taking about
1. Syrian refugees who flee a war zone?
2. Economic migrants from Africa?
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>>75820500
still didn't prevent them from burning witches though
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>>75820593
you are aware that pretty much every country has signed agreements to help drowning ships in international waters?
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>>75820694
So what exactly is the topic we two are talking about?
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>>75820717
Yeah, reaching back 100 years to justify a contemporary policy is totally fine m8 don't worry about it perfect argument
The Ottoman empire was backwards as fuck, but let's just ignore that haha nice point

>>75820755
As did the rest of Europe and Catholics even more you incredible moron

>>75820788
You are aware that we also have agreements that say Somalians should have a visa before visiting our country?
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>>75820818
Something along the likes of you comparing Huguenots from the 1500's to modern Islamists as justification for your assertion that German states have accepted refugees before and therefore should not worry about the million or so currently infesting your nation like a plague
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>>75820717
>Han China
>Mongol invasion
Jesus fucking Christ Hans there's a good thousand years between those two. Han China's collapse was assured when refugees fleeing from from the steppes flooded all over the northern Chinese plains and swamped their population centers. It was the reason Chinese dynasties moved to the south (where previously only 10% of China's population had been) and making it their power center.

Refugees are literally responsible for the permanent collapse of China's golden age empire and the reason its southern half has major population centers.

Lebanon's migrants were not from the immediate area, but foreigners from other parts of the empire. The latest wave was violent Palestinian extremists expelled from Jordan. They were not part of local Lebanese culture and they wasted no time in setting up their own hardline forms of Islamist thinking that would lead to the Lebanese civil war and the sectarian divide that exists today.

You're a fool if you think anyone is making that distinction. You yourself weren't making it up to this point. You were conflating every mention of refugees and migrants with Syrians when they're a minority. Helping Syrians is simply a pretext and it has nothing to do with accepting migrants from central Asia or Africa.
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>>75821015
>Jesus fucking Christ Hans
Pretty sure it's Ahmed
>>
yanks are on fire

wow
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>>75821083
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new thread >>>75821017

>>75820906
>As did the rest of Europe and Catholics even more you incredible moron
that only shows that people can change

>>75821015
i never heard about it, but i would assume that the refugees didn't come peacefully. Instead, they had weapons and took over the country by force

>>75821056
so you believe i am an arab?
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>>75821147
The only reason your current migratory waves aren't doing that is because you're rolling over for them. They have no reason to take things by force if people like you willingly surrender them.
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>>75821147
Also:
>i never heard about it
If fucking hilarious. You're here championing the idea of accepting massive waves of immigration while being ignorant to the history of such instances throughout the world.
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>>75821265
>you are not an expert on ancient chinese history so you cant be pro-refugees

>>75821207
also because they have no power and are completely at our mercy
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>>75821147
>that only shows that people can change
No, it shows Huguenots weren't any more backward than their contemporaries and thus able to integrate. Muslims now being as backward as Europeans 400 years ago even with the access to our current knowledge and culture that they have just shows that they won't adjust, not even within the 400 years that the Huguenots have had.
You seem incredibly limited in your understanding of my points or completely ignoring them, and I don't see any point in joining your shitty thread.
glhf
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>>75821323
It doesn't have to be Chinese history, the same shit happened with the Western Roman Empire, as well as the Eastern half once Turkish migration started happening. It's just an instance of you being ignorant to the reality and history of refugee waves and their effects on even the strongest of nations.

No, you are at their mercy. Your government has shown that with how many eggshells you must tread upon. You are rolling over for them so they have no reason to take up armed invasion. You are espousing a position of weakness and pretending its tolerance and understanding, but they know the truth and deep down so do you.
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>>75821506
Yeah, because Germanic invaders is the same as refugees who we take out of compassion
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>>75819305
Oh yes I forgot when we invaded sub-saharan Africa, Pakistan, Bengladesh Syria, Central Asian Republics, etc. Or when we invaded refugee camps in surrounding ME countries.

If they were refugees they'd be bringing more woman and children who are vulnerable.

They aren't and they skipped or even left non-EU safe countries for a reason that had nothing to do with safety. The EU's policies are bait for these economic immigrants. Stop scapegoating the U.S. when it's the EU's behavior, policies and leader's statements which are the real origin of the problem
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>>75821595
Refugees are often invaders. It's not mutually exclusive at all. Why do you think those Germanic invaders were moving into Roman territory? They were fleeing from other invaders to the East. Same shit that happened with Han China's northern plains. A lot of the early settlement of those Germanic tribes was precisely because of the same dynamics you see echoing today.
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>>75821730
invaders have weapons and come against the will of the host country
refugees dont have that option and must rely on charity
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>>75821595
Compassion this, compassion that

You do none of it because you love your fellow man, you do it for pride in knowing that you and your nation is doing "The right thing"

Sinful bastard
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>>75821775
They are often one in the same. The only difference is whether the host nation accepts them or not. Again, many of those Germanic tribes settled in Roman territory without any fighting with pledges to aid Rome in the future. Didn't turn out so well did it? You're living in a fantasy world if you think refugees are not catalysts for conflict all the time, precisely because they're often invaders themselves.

>>75821820
It's a position of intense selfishness. He already said he's unwilling to give up his money, home, or time for other unfortunate people.
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>tfq i will get my own harem of western women and traps

Thanks trump
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>>75819886
The Northern U.S. cities, Germany, Large areas if France and the UK...economic immigrants with skills and a willingness to assimilate are a benefit. Unskilled people who only milk the system and act like they are still in their third world shithole harm the area they move too. This isn't 1859 you don't need masses if unskilled labor to work in your hammer factory.
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>>75821820
kek, why are you so triggerd by my compassion?
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>>75822080
Ah so you do have comprehension problems
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>>75821595
The Ostrogoths were refugees.
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>>75822150
You're probably dealing with a Turk, they aren't the brightest.
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