Why was its so weak?

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>>75809771
Poleshits

democracy ruined it

>>75809771
Low centralization due to long distances

>be pole
>get cucked by a small baltic shithole

CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

>>75809771
It was a coalition of useless european nations. Why are you in any way surprised it too was useless?

>>75810851
because it is a powerhouse in my autism simulator

>>75809771
Find the mistake:
1 2 3 4 5 liberum veto 6 7 8 9

tolerance

>>75809771

Retarded nobles ruining everything by following their own agendas, underdeveloped cities and industry (all the effort goes into agriculture).

Here you go.

Hohols dragged it down

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Shouldn't have betrayed us

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Poles ruined it.

We or Sweden constantly rigged their democracy by ordering our shills in their "congress" (don't remember proper name) to shout NE MOJNO at every good preposition

>>75811577
>wróbla
that's bałuty friend.
Literally a no-go zone.

>>75810240
>>75811577
>>75809771
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_K%C4%97dainiai
Lithuanian "nobles" ruined it.

That's what you get for trying to treat pagan baltic animals equally with you.

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>>75812323
Ah yes Lithuanian, when something goes wrong they're Lithuanian when claiming their achievements their Polish. Typical Polish double-think.

>>75812373
>Radziwiłł family
>Polish
Stupid baltic subhuman.

PLC was an idiotic policy on Polish part, it only dragged Poland into wars against Eastern animals to defend your overextended pagan shithole.

No one would even hear about Lithuania if it weren't for Poland.

>>75812458
what should Poland have done instead of forming PLC?

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>open the floodgates for lithshits
>lithshits finally see the light of civilisation
>start polonizing themselves en masse
>fast forward 400 years
>polonization was terrible!

>>75812483
Putting one of the nobles or a Silesian Piast instead.
Silesian Piast line was still alive and kicking.

>>75812483
Invest everything into science, Invent nukes asap and nuke ourselfs and everything in 6000 km radius.

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>>75812458
Calm your tits Pizdinski, besides you're so historically illiterate that you ignore the fact that after 1500's Poles themselves waged wars against Russians, like Bathory.

>>75809771
Democracy was a mistake. All the power was in the hands of nobles and magnates ultimately, which resulted in the king being forced to grant a ridiculous amount of privileges to pass any sort of reform. In addition to that, the stupid Liberum Veto law allowed a single noble to stop any diet, so once again, passing reforms was nearly impossible.
Also it was easy for foreign forces to influence our politics, since we held elections for a king.

If we had a different system, like hereditary monarchy, it most likely wouldn't crumble. I wonder how would the history go if that was the case.

overextended
plus low man power
after mongol conquest rus lands were basically empty
shit political system
shit diplomacy
tldr poles happend

>>75812584
using turk as derogatory term only proves my point
poles draws shit moves through their entire history
you are dogshit at diplomacy, that is a fact

>>75812540
>Democracy was a mistake.
You mean elective monarchy?

When everyone outside and inside your country hates you you are bound to fail

>>75812584
>The Polish–Muscovite War or the Polish–Russian War (1605–1618), also known as the Dimitriads, took place in the early 17th century as a sequence of military conflicts and eastward invasions carried out by the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, or the private armies and mercenaries led by the magnates (the Commonwealth aristocracy), when the Russian Tsardom was torn by a series of civil wars, the time most commonly referred to in the Russian history as the "Time of Troubles", sparked by the Russian dynastic crisis and overall internal chaos.


Ah yes defensive wars, Polish revisionism at it's best.

>>75812458
Kingdom of Poland > PLC

that's a fact

>>75812762
Preventive war.
Conflicts with Moscow were already a thing before that, especially when Lithuania dragged Polish Crown into your war.

>implying you're a lith
>>75812799
Das rite.

>>75812762
To be honest, I am kinda glad that Poland was always opressed by their neighbours.
If Poland ever became a real great power, they would have been worse than nazis

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Why can't Poles and Lithuanians get along
You've basically been the same people for 500 years

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>>75812827
Poles are basically Catholic Russians and just as imperialist as them, though less successful. Poles are genetically closer to Central Russians than Belarusians or Ukrainians are.

>>75812827
I am glad Communists murdered so many Russians.

You should be utilized and then simply removed from the surface. You're all disgusting asiatic animals and I hope one day I will see your demise at the hand of the Chinese.

>>75812864
If you don't understand genetics or autosomal DNA, don't even bother using it as an argument. You're only making a fool out of yourself.

>>75812864
you aint wrong
polonisation of Lithuanians, Ukrainians, belorussians
same shit russians did to their subjects

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>>75812917
I understand very will, this is from Genetic heritage of Balto-Slavic countries study. Using Central Russians as a proxy population.

>>75812864
I agree
And I find it really hilarious how much Poles hate Russia, considering they would have done the same to Russia if they have had the power

>>75812981
No, you don't. You already proved that with your idiotic opening statement.

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pls stop fighting and discuss history ok. praise jesus

>>75812981
more like WOKING up

they aren't weak they have amazing cavalry units in eu4

>>75813044
This damage control, you haven't proved me any wrong. Just saying you're wrong without any arguments or facts doesn't cut it, poleling.

>>75813171
didn't help them against German tanks though

>>75811577
>squatting poles
rare

>>75813186
You're wrong, because you don't understand how atDNA works, you also don't take population shifts into consideration.

Western Poles (resselted from Kresy aka Eastern territories) were Polonised Ruthenians to being with, so it's natural they cluster with Russians. As for the Polish core population issue, Kiev Polans are clearly visible around Kiev area to this day.

You didn't discover anything new. You simply don't understand anything. Which isn't that suprising, considering average Lith IQ.

>>75812540
>I wonder how would the history go if that was the case
There would be no WWI and thus no WWII. We would live in a totally different world today.

>>75813196
>Germans still believe that happened

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>>75813572
that's a ruskie neet, he considers himself "german with russian ancestry"

pic rel, his ancestor

>>75813390
All talk no data.

>Notably, genetic distances remain low after adding Poles to the Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians from the central-southern regions (DNei = 0.144 for NRY; FST = 0.0006 for autosomal data)

Why are you such a braindead mong and can't read a simple study?

>>75813646
Because you still don't take population shifts into consideration, you brain dead lith imbecile.

>>75813668
That doesn't change the fact that you're still closely related to Russians more so than Belarussians and Ukrainians save for eastern ones.

>>75813572
it's a joke, my American friend

>>75813709
No, only Kresowiak Poles are.

>>75813722
That's not what the study says.

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>>75813793
DAMAGE CONTROL.

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>>75813849
>23andme
>West Poles taking tests proves that they cluster with East Slavs
Whoa, fucking magic.

Like I said, you're fucking stupid and can't read for shit.

>>75813897
>Posts pic that shows Poles cluster near Russians

lmao

This thread is perfect proof that pooland fucks up everything it touches.

The Lithuanians speak the closest language we have to the original protoindoeuropean 'aryan
'tongue.

They kept alive the ancient aryan religion for 6000 years, even into the 1500s. They even btfo the teutonic knights, and survive a fucking crusade against them by german fucks who were cucked into a foreign religion by rome.


And then they join with fucking cucked catholic poland and it all goes to shit. Just like this thread did, as soon as poland showed up.

The lingua franca of the european union shouls be lithuanian.

too many land
not enough poles

>>75814098
>lecturing me on haplogroups

Nigga you fucking retarded and your fan fiction theories fall flat, the reason you cluster close with Russians because there likely was a migration in medieval times from West Slavic lands to Russian ones or something that we don't know. For example Novgordian language shows West Slavic traces or the Vyatichi tribe show traces of C/European marker M458 which weren't atypical in Russian lands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyatichi


As I said my point still stands Poles are basically Catholic Russians or vice versa however you like it, you're the same shit.

>>75814159
I am sorry we opressed your people, friend

>>75814311
What does it have to do with anything I've said though?
First you sperg out about some part of Poles clustering with Russians then you jump on the Kiev Polans argument.

Just because some group with M458 marker migrated there doesn't make entire Russian population close to Polish one.

But keep grasping the straws.

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>>75814401
On the other hand Liths have the same R1a mutation as Russians and other East Slavic populations, which is ironic, considering your resentment for the Russians.

Is this self-hatred?

>>75814401
I didn't mention Kiev Polans at all stop moving goalposts retard.

>Just because some group with M458 marker migrated there doesn't make entire Russian population close to Polish one.


>Just because some group with M458 marker migrated there doesn't make entire Russian population close to Polish one.

Not entire, just Central and Southern Russians, Northern Russians are as distant as you can get.

And you're argument doesn't really work that you're saying those resettled Poles were just Ruthenians or w/e. How come they cluster more closely to Central Russians then the fucking core Ruthenian populations like Belarussians or Ukrainians themselves? Are those Western Poles some sort of uber East Slavs that are more East Slavic then the East slavs themselves?

>lithuanian "geneticists"
lmoa

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>>75814550
What a shocker.

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>>75814620
>I didn't mention Kiev Polans at all stop moving goalposts retard.
But they do matter when you mention M458 marker in Russia, stupid Lith.
>Not entire, just Central and Southern Russians
23andme only uses short amount of samples they've collected.

>And you're argument doesn't really work that you're saying those resettled Poles were just Ruthenians or w/e. How come they cluster more closely to Central Russians then the fucking core Ruthenian populations like Belarussians or Ukrainians themselves? Are those Western Poles some sort of uber East Slavs that are more East Slavic then the East slavs themselves?
Ruthenian is a term for all East Slavs in Poland and Polish history.

Like I said, keep grasping. M458 isn't even common in Russia, just some left-overs. And Z280 is only common in the west of Poland to obvious reasons. Ressetlements from places like: Wilno, Belarus, Galicia.

So you don't have anything on me here, Lith. Keep trying though.

>>75814812
That was not from 23andme you mong trash.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0135820

>>75812856
poles are annoying as fuck

>>75814350

Not actually my people. Just a proponent of Europeans finding common ground in their shared heritage.

And dont worry too much, everyone was fighting everone back then. We didnt know any better.

But now we do know better, and know we are all branches of the same tree. Indo-europeans shouldnt fight. The differences between us are minimal, and the shared culture and values is so much.

Learning lithuanian really makes learning any other IE language a lot easier, including even persian and indian languages. And it is easy for any indoeuropean to learn too- it uses a latin script, and all the daughter families have kept something of the parent . It is the closest we have to PIE, and I am occasionally overwhelmed by how close the world came to losing it. I'd urge you to look into some of the videos online of qt lithuanian grills teaching you to speak their tongue.

>>75814832
Oh no, portion of the people that used to live in the same place at Dniepr and had close historical ties later on are close to each other :(

You tried to pass it off as they're the same, you stupid animal. That's my only problem.

Zitto animale.

>>75809771
Total lack of centralization and unruly, short-sighted, selfish nobles.

>>75812524
I'm Lithuanian as well, but KYS, please. You'll add to the count and help us take back our rightful place from Greenland.

>>75815514
Nobles weren't really an issue, it was mostly Magnateria behind the most fucked up shit.

Also, Magnateria became a thing because of Deluge and how many Nobles lost their estates, they wanted to regain their old position so they sold themselves to foreign powers.

It was simply a bad spot in Europe for this kind of political experiment.

>>75812856
We do get along. It's just faggots like >>75812864 on both sides who go at each-other's throats over something that happened almost 100 years ago and was resolved in our favor.

>>75815560
How were magnates different from the nobles?

>>75815560
Actually, disregard that. I suck cocks.
>>75815623
Nobles were lazy niggers that just wanted to make their bellies bigger. They set the country 300 years behind niggers. But they were still somewhat patriotic.

Magnateria were of course Nobles, but they had their own agenda behind every move. They didn't care about the state, only their families.

It's not okay when Nobles have their own armies that are close to the number of people PLC send to war with Russia. Like what the fuck. Jarema "Hammer on the Cossacks" Wiśniowiecki had around 3k of his own soliders. It can't end well. And it didn't.

>>75815702
Why did this happen in the PLC and not in other countries?

In school they told us that the whole nobles' rights thing came from Poland (which is why Lithuanian nobles were initially so supportive of the union), could you tell me more about the rise of nobles in Poland, specifically, pre-1387?

>>75815834
>Why did this happen in the PLC and not in other countries?
West Euros massacred their nobility every time they got uppity. They were also more into Absolutism and the serfdom was a lot harsher there. No one played in stupid ideas like: equality, religious freedoms etc etc.
>could you tell me more about the rise of nobles in Poland, specifically, pre-1387?
They gained significant power at the death of the last Piast(from direct line) Casimir the Great.

>Casimir was facetiously named "the Peasants' King". He introduced the codes of law of Greater and Lesser Poland as an attempt to end the overwhelming superiority of the nobility. During his reign all three major classes — the nobility, priesthood, and bourgeoisie — were more or less counterbalanced, allowing Casimir to strengthen his monarchic position. He was known for siding with the weak when the law did not protect them from nobles and clergymen. He reportedly even supported a peasant whose house had been demolished by his own mistress, after she had ordered it to be pulled down because it disturbed her enjoyment of the beautiful landscape

His death made a huge gap that was quickly filled by the "underappreciated" Nobles. And besides Piasts were already looking at Lithuania and other East Pagan states as the way to expand their political power.

stop the hate guys we are BFF now with Lithuania don't cry about some shit that happened 100+ years ago

Liberum Veto.

So much butthurt ITT, what's with old worlders and crying over shit nobody has cared about for the last 100+ years?

>Lithuania conquers Ruthenia from the Mongols
>Poland takes it from them and adds it to their own shitty crown

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>>75816847
>life and history are my paradox map simulators :)

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>>75812864
>>75812981
>Genetic heritage of Balto-Slavic countries study
Isn't it that one russian "study" in which they used "Poles" from Estonia as a representative of the Polish nation?
Top kek, of course it is.
http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2015/09/finno-ugric-poles-in-kushniarevich-et.html?m=1

Ok, glad we have this cleared up. Now, FYI baltshits are much closer to mongoloid finno-ugrics and russians than Poles will ever be.

>>75819558
>Fine-scale population genetic analyses like this should only be done with lots of samples from the right places. Self-reported Poles from Estonia, and perhaps also Russia, who clearly don't resemble Poles from Poland aren't good enough. Estonian Biocentre scientists do a lot of useful work, but in this particular instance they were rather sloppy in labeling these Estonian Poles as simply Polish.
lel

>>75812993
>considering they would have done the same
Explain why the prussian fief was left under german rule then? If we really were so keen on polonising shit do you think it would have been so hard to turn prussia into poland? Lithuanian nobles had a weak identity to begin with all they needed was interaction with any other culture to switch in a instant.

Poles+liberum veto

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Mfw reading this thread

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>>75819558
Sorbs are close to East Slavs too

>>75809771
Because it was democratic

geography

>>75819954
SOPA

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This thread is a pretty good explanation of why PLC fell apart

Can someone edit this so only Poland is in it?

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>>75814159
>They even btfo the teutonic knights
We beat them together. Read a book, nigger.

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>>75820427
forgot pic

>>75809771
Courland

>>75820462
what's with finland?

>>75820459
They did good on their own too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Medininkai
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Memel_(1257)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Durbe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karuse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aizkraukle

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>>75809771
Jews and multiculturalism.

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/thread

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Polish and Ukrainian sound almost indistinguishable. Are Poles and Ukrainians the same thing but just have a different version of Christianity and different alphabet?

They held it good against us,stfu

>>75820661
It's a map of countries perpetually asshurt at Russia. Finns hate Russians because of that war they had.

>>75820459
>together
You mean we beat them on our own. Lithuanian cowards fled in the middle of the battle.

>>75822631
Yeah according to Dlugosz who wasn't even born by the time battle took place and was butthurt about Lithuanians.

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>>75822631
>>75822774

It was a tactical retreat, you newbs.

>>75822823
Most likely it was, even German sources just after the battle wrote it watch out for fake retreat. While Dlugosz made no mention of return.

>This theory gained wider acceptance after the discovery and publication of a German letter by Swedish historian Sven Ekdahl in 1963.[62] The letter, written a few years after the battle, cautions the new Grand Master to look out for false retreats of the kind that were used in the Great Battle.

And some years prior Vytautas got btfo by this same maneuver by Tatars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Vorskla_River


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_As4LsPaMjg

>>75822925
>And some years prior Vytautas got btfo by this same maneuver by Tatars.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Vorskla_River

Whenever I read about battles vs. mongols or turkic people it's often the same scenario:
1. tactical retreat
2. brainless disorganized pursuit
3. total annihilation of the pursuer
s.m.h. at European retardation

>>75820779
>samogitians
>lithuanians

pick one

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>>75823039
Why are Slavs the only group good at fighting Turkics?

>>75823107
East Slavs*

>>75823039
Well we had some luck against them before too. This was this major scale defeat of Golden Horde, then Kulikovo battle followed 20 years later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blue_Waters

>>75823107
>>75823155
Fellow Mongols understand each other pretty well.

>>75809771
Liberum veto.
What the fuck were they thinking?

>>75823155
>East Slavs
>the only group good at fighting Turkics
What?

>>75823387
The Rus destroyed Khazaria
The Rus beat up scrawny Turkic empires to the south
Russia conquered the Tatars
Russia shat all over the Ottomans

>>75820462
>implying the krauts aren't the most chronically assblasted nation in Europe.
What did you think those world wars were about?

>>75823433
>Russia shat all over the Ottomans
Not a big deal, Turks are ez

>>75809771
Because Ruthenians aka Western Russians who were conquered by Polacks and Lithuanians never wanted to stay in this country and rebeled numerous times to join Russian Tsardom.
>>75810647
Don't laugh at them. Our western part was conquered by this shithole, even though they gave up knowing that otherwise much worse fate will await them (I mean being cucked by Golden Horde).

And now some Belarussian (aka Russian conquered by Lithuania) intellectuals claim they are not Russians but Lithuanians. This is what true cuckoldry looks like.

>>75812825
>Preventive war.
Stop your apologism, """preventive war""" is still open act of agression.

>>75823612
Explain why they humiliated you in war after war, then.

>>75822482
>Polish and Ukrainian sound almost indistinguishable.
That's a stupid thing to say.
>>75823839
> they humiliated you in war after war,
When?
>>75823739
Russians are a new concept created by Catherine the Great to justify stealing Belarus and Ukraine from Poland.

Rus /=/ Russia.

>>75809771
The primary flaw was indisputably the veto/Golden Liberties. If the May constitution had happened 100 years earlier it would have been fine

>>75812993
They attempted to do the same thing as they were ~2 extremely simple decisions away from having Russia in the commonwealth, but the king was a fag and his son was a fuck up

>>75823968
>Russians are a new concept created by Catherine the Great to justify stealing Belarus and Ukraine from Poland.
Nice reversion, 10/10.
Does Polish government really pays you to post such retarded things on /int/?

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>>75824321
>revision
Not really.

>At first Uzbeg did not want to empower Moscow. In 1327, the Baskaki Shevkal, cousin of Uzbeg, arrived in Tver from the Horde, with a large retinue. They took up residence at Aleksander's palace. Rumors spread that Shevkal wanted to occupy the throne for himself and introduce Islam to the city. When, on 15 August 1327, the Mongols tried to take a horse from a deacon named Dyudko, he cried for help and a mob of furious people fell on the Tatars and killed them all. Shevkal and his remaining guards were burnt alive. Thus Uzbeg Khan began backing Moscow as the leading Russian state. Ivan I Kalita was granted the title of grand prince and given the right to collect taxes from other Russian potentates. The Khan also sent Ivan at the head of an army of 50,000 soldiers to punish Tver

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horde

oh no haplo autism
little did you know that you're all shit

>>75822482
No they are not. Ukrainians are Russians who use a lot of Polish words and have own recently made-up """church""" with fake history.

>>75824386
So the memes about Finns are true.

>>75824386
And what should this citation tell me?
You conquered Ukraine and Belarus from us then we were weakened with Mongol-Tatar yoke and feodal strifes, created these toponymes and made thier fake history with "Moscovites are Mongols while you, Ukrainians, are true successors of Rus, don't you even join Moscow! You should be with us! Those guys aren't your people!" and shit.

>>75824777
>from us
Epic meme considering that Moscow was a Kievan colony.

>>75824777
Lithuanians did and there was no "you" before 1327.

Kiev Rus wasn't Russia. Don't even try to claim it.

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>>75812827
>If Poland ever became a real great power, they would have been worse than nazis
Poland WAS a great power and it didn't do such disgusting shit like Germany or Russia. Poland equalled freedom and rights then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEONLGOSnZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHbAsgaEEEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocPVPynYaAk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwwXJ8u7eTM

>>75824674
>Finns
>Golden Horde meme
Literally what?
Memes about Finns are about assimilation of Finno-Ugric tribes by Slavic peoples who conquered territory of modern Western Russia. Of course they are true, about 25% or Russians have Finnic haplogroups, nobody even say it's wrong. Other 52% have Slavic R1a.

>>75824798
>>75824867
Kiev was destroyed by Mongols in 1240. It was irrelevant shithole under non-Russians even since.

Duchy of Moscow was the only Russian country which tried to fight back Mongols and Polacks/Lithuanians and unite all Russian lands. And it succeded, even despite all your Polish efforts to stop it and claim more territory and recources for your Commonwealth.

>>75825043
And look at Ukraine now after Russian liberation and then compare it to the parts Austria owned prior to Soviet liberation. Even though the Soviets ruined it, it's still better than any eastern shithole.

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>>75825043
>Polacks/Lithuanians
You do realize it was Poles, Lithuanians AND RUTHENIANS (White, Black, Red Ruthenians today aka Belarusians and Ukrainians) of the Commonwealth that fought you barbaric backward scum?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEONLGOSnZQ

>>75825223
>And look at Ukraine now after Russian liberation and then compare it to the parts Austria owned prior to Soviet liberation.
You mean the Polish parts?

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>expecting a fun thread about history
>turns into a haploshit circlejerk less than 50 posts in

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>>75825505
>>turns into a haploshit circlejerk less than 50 posts in
You want haploshit, you got it.

>>75825505
blame the ruskie diaspora in lithuania

>>75825583
Polska is truly Slavic unlike LARPing Finns in Russia

>>75825223
>And look at Ukraine now after Russian liberation
Weren't we talking about history and not prior political events?
>>75825223
>compare it to the parts Austria owned prior to Soviet liberation
Literally what?
>american education
Are you talking about Western Ukraine which was part of Austro-Hungary until 1918 and then part of Poland until 1939?

btw should I remember you how Austrians destroyed every remnant of Russianness in Western Ukraine during WWI?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalerhof_internment_camp

>>75823097
gp

>>75825332
Bogdan Khmelnitsky and many others who fought Poland and collaborationists who were earning money from Polish magnates aren't agree with you.

>>75822925
>even German sources
Germans have a long history of fabricating documents so I wouldn't be so sure about that.

>>75826025
He fought Poles because someone stole his gf.

>>75823839
What are you even on about?
Are you confusing us with Balkans or something?

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>>75825824
>btw should I remember you how Austrians destroyed every remnant of Russianness in Western Ukraine
Wtf are you talking about? The Prussians pushed the Ukrainian identity on the peasant inhabitants like mad so the Polishness of Galicia would diminish and so an uprising to restore Poland on these lands would decrease.
>>75826025
Bodgan Chmielnicki WAS A POLISH noble himself you moron. He didn't fight the Polish king or the Commonwealth (his own words), but the injustice done unto him by Czaplinski and the weaknes of the system against such men as him and for more priviliges for the cossacks. It later turned into a "look how far I have come, now I can become the king of the Rus" thing, unitl he got BTFO'd and begged Russia for help, which he later regretted.
Again, Chmielnicki was a Polish-Ruthenian who's father was a Polish noble and his mother a Ruthenian peasant. He wrote that he loved the Commonwealth as well. But yeah, he became a traitor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAWalacTu6E

>>75826230
>Cucknitsky
>Polish

Polish–Lithuanian–Ruthenian Commonwealth when

>>75826320
Chmiel-nicki, from the hop plant - Hop-nicki...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAGG9q-BHl4

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>>75823739
>Ruthenians aka Western Russians

>Lithuanians never wanted to stay in this country and rebeled numerous times to join Russian Tsardom

>Our western part

>this shithole

>>75826354
It was very close to happening.

>>75826230>>75826230
>The Prussians pushed the Ukrainian identity on the peasant inhabitants like mad so the Polishness of Galicia would diminish and so an uprising to restore Poland on these lands would decrease.
Polish diaspora detected.
>muh Polish Galicia
>muh Russian conspiracies
Also, when did Prussians have any contacts with Ukrainians?

>Bodgan Chmielnicki WAS A POLISH noble himself
Orthodox """Polish""" who wasn't considered noble by most of Polish nobility?
>>75826505
>Lithuanians never wanted to stay in this country
I never said THIS you underage retard, learn to read. I said that Western Russians were conquered by Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

>>75813628
I haven't even posted in this thread, you sound pathetic, go to doctor

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This thread is goldmime of polish aggression and butthurt it is so funny i laugh
Lithunia is my friend, best Baltic coubtry

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>>75826829
>>muh Russian conspiracies
The Austrians literally opened schools about Ukrainian idenity which most peasants weren't even interested in but they then offered different priviledges and even more land to farm on if they went through their courses.
>Orthodox """Polish""" who wasn't considered noble by most of Polish nobility?
Eh, what does his Orthodoxness have to do with anything? Some Poles were Orthodox in those times, yes. And yes, he was a noble. He was even three times in the Polish parliament (he was allowed to because he was a noble) in Warsaw to complain about Czaplinski and even spoke to the king about him. Most of the parliament supported him against Czaplinski's shenanigans, but he was a powerful magnate and the king didn't want to start a civil war against him because of some Chmielnicki. Big mistake. So then Chmielnicki sought help on the Wild Lands amongst cossacks whom he had much respect amongst - being the hetman (general-officer) of the Polish Crown army of the cossack unit in Zaporozhia.

>>75827134
>correcting idiocy and lies
>butthurt

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I am Polish. Where are the pierogis and kielbasa?

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>east euro fags squabbling over shit

Hello my Polish friends!

My gf is from Poland, her name is Kamila!

>>75827214
Fucking turbo autist get a life

>>75827393
says the fucking twat sitting here 24/7 just waiting for thread about poland to show up so you can explode with your russian autism

>>75827420
Fuck what? You too doing this

>>75827160
>The Austrians literally opened schools about Ukrainian idenity which most peasants weren't even interested in but they then offered different priviledges and even more land to farm on if they went through their courses.
Yes, and this was to decrease Rusophilia in this region as it became the most dominant kind of self-identity among Rusyns/Ruthenians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russophiles_of_Galicia

There wasn't such ethnicity as "Ukrainian" at these time, it was force during Soviet times with their ""educational""" system. There was only Polish georgraphical term Ukraine and even Shevchenko never called himself Ukrainian in his works.

>>75813171
doesnt matter when the BIG AUSTRIAN COCK come knocking at the door

>>75809771
I blame Poles

>>75827357
Reminder that Elizabeth I of England got disprespected and threatened with war by the Polish envoy to Britain. xD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonius
>>75827494
You're not entirely wrong. It was to make Russia weaker and at the same time make it harder for the Poles to recreate Poland. West "Ukraine" was never called Ukraine before the 20th century, those were almost core Polish lands since 900's and 1300's and Lwow and other cities founded and built by Polish hetmans have overwhelmingly Polish archtiecture and culture.
>>75827644
You kidding right?

>>75814550
>autism

>>75827685
Absolutely retarded statement. They only conquered that land in the mid 14th century from Galicia-Volhynia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Galicia%E2%80%93Volhynia
>Lviv
>founded by P*les
kys Stanislaw

>>75827753
who are you quoting? your psychiatrist?

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>>75827785
fucking stupid slavnigger

>>75827841
>slavnigger
>coming from a "russian with german ancestry"
hilarious, got anything clever to add?

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>>75827880
no i am obviously not an intellectual like you
slavshit

>>75822482
Swedish and Norwegian spound almost indistiguishable, are Swedes and Norwegians the same thing?

>>75827949
you're on par with that i am greek guy, you even use the same pictures and 'tactics'

makes you fucking wonder hmmmm

>>75828011
polaks and hohols are the same breed of devil

>>75827949
>kicking out poles for shitskins and accepting sharia law and also police state

damn brits are more retarded than i thought they are

>>75828019
>mu russian subhuman neet
>muh asian genes
>muh poland is great
>muh im butthurt again because a brit/german/russian/lithunian/hohol is posting and I have the urge to respond because my butthurt aerial is spinning
you are the epitome of insufferableness, go kys and dont compare me with a greek subhuman
>>75828113
literally no difference, but brits are another case of failure

>>75828170
what kind of subhuman are you?

>>75828170
>implying it's just one poster
everyone at this point knows whenever you post. it's easy to see, you use the same pictures over and over again, same slurs.

>>75827765
>Absolutely retarded statement. They only conquered that land in the mid 14th century from Galicia-Volhynia.
Red Towns were within Poland already in the 900's. They were then conquered by Rus (Rurikid vikings from Scandinavia who conquered and ruled East Slavs).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherven_Cities
>>Lviv
>>founded by P*les
Not Lwów - I wasn't reffering to Lwów - but Stanisławów (Ivano-Frankivsk) and Tarnopol were founded by Polish hetman STANISŁAW Potocki and hetman Jan Tarnowski respectively etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivano-Frankivsk#History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternopil#History

P.S. When Lwów and whole of Galicia and Volhynia were INHERITED by Kazimierz of Poland by a downward agreement and will of the deceased Polish-Ruthenian king of Galicia-Volhynia in 1340 - in 1349 when these lands were taken Lwów was almost solely a city built out of wood. It was during the 14th century during Casimir's rule when the old town of Lwów was built and the city street layout laid out by Polish architects. Lwów was Polish for most of its history and had a Polish majority population for almost 600 years while being 750 years old.

P.P.S. Sorry for fucking up.

>>75828170
>poles hardworking people who came to UK for money
>nigger shitskins who will cut your throat for allah , sharia law

yeah no "difference"

>>75828257
and you are the same on responding to my post, do you think i dont know this?
your autism reeks till my house, no other pole is such an obnoxious, easily baited person like you, think about it for a second

won't even give you a (you) this time, stupid vatnik

hard to grasp the truth, huh
see you do it again, instead acting like a norma human being, you act like an edgy teenager lel

>>75828352
who cares? i dont live in britain

>>75828529
yeah you don't

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>>75819694
And yet nothing unusual is happening in the chart. There are no poles in the finnish cluster. Give your head a shake.

Also
>there are no poles outside of Poland

>>75829329
balts aren't Poles. end of story

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>>75809771
Jogaila/Jagiellon dynasty died out and polish /foreign mobility took over, strengthening the bond of both countries, and making stupid reforms whilst also buffing the rights of the nobility. The Union of Lublin turned it into one country, in which Polish became the dominant culture, leading to tension that had already started with the Lithuanian nobility adopting Christianity in 1387.

So in conclusion, it was multi-cultural and it had shit laws. I'd shit on poles some more but honestly, Lithuania wouldn't have survived Sweden and Russia without the Union of Krewo, and we essentially got to rule over both countries for a while after the union and do it well, so it's cool I guess.

Geography. Poland had/has no natural boundaries.

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I stil lik Litvins

Don't ask why it's weak, ask how can any politic entity consisting these eastern euro shitholes can possibly be powerful.

>>75809771
poles are subhuman

now they'll get refugees too. haha, kill pole

>>75835525
Russia was pretty stronk

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>>75819558
>muh russian conspiracy!!!
>polishgenes.blogspot.com
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahaHAHha