>he can't read 3000 years old texts written in his language

>>75758054
pretty hard to read something that hasn't existed 3000 years ago

>>75758054
I can read the oldest text written in my language

>>75758180
t. turk

>>75758180
He meant Germanic iki not Greek. Chill out

>>75758124
OOGA BOOGA WE WUZ BARBARIANS N SHIET *whacks you with club*
>>75758180
fresse jetzt iki

>>75758054
>implying i can't understand the texts of ancient greek philosophers by reading well reputed translations of famous scholars

>>75758054
i'm reading evola and i feel the need to learn how to read greek and latin because he uses it so much with no translators note. also to learn about the history of europe, because it's jarring to have to wikipedia stuff every other page..

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>>75758261
>I am a Greek
sure you are.
t. turkroach

Hide Iki Threads
Ignore Iki Posts
Do Not Reply To Iki Poster

>>75758054
thank god i am greek

What was Proto Greek and Proto German like?

>>75758482
check wikipedia for a start

>>75758482
Ancient Greek has a shitload of different kinds of the emphasis marks idk how to call them

>>75758326
we need a macro

>>75758678
Diacritics. They actually appeared after Alexander. Before that it was only capital letter without diacritics
The guy is asking about Proto-Greek, which is not attested. It is a reconstructed language.

>>75758482
Proto-German is almost unrecognisable, it's hard to compare it to anything really. It looks a lot like PIE

>>75758736
Oh and they appeared after Alexander, because Greek became a lingua franca, and they wanted barbarians to pronounce Greek better.

I tried to learn ancient Greek. All the weird markings fucked my shit up

>>75758736
I thought Ancient Greek was, well... the first version of Greek

>>75758865
>Qipriot education

>>75758917
I wont consider that an insult because its true lel

>>75758810
Just learn it without them. They are there to denote how you would raise or lower your pitch. They would only be useful if you studied ancient Greek poetry or something.
Btw, "δασεία" and "υπογεγραμμένη" are an exception. The first one represented an "h", the other one an "i", but they stopped being pronounced very early and that's why we use the marks and not the letters themsleves.

>>75758865
Ancient Greek is a term refering to all Attested forms of Greek up to Alexander's era.

>>75759008
>>75758865
>>75758678
>Cyprus
Don't you belong to Greece?

>>75759041
>according to
Into the trash it goes

>>75759041
lynn and that finn are racists

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>>75758766
there doesn't seem to be much of anything in terms of actual sentences around since it's a reconstructed language but if this example is to be trusted and at all representative I wouldn't call it unrecognizable

>>75759136
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus

We had a referendum to join Greece and while it was voted overwhelmingly in favor of (at least 95%) the roaches got triggered and rushed in stopping us from uniting, installing a pseudo state in the north of the island which nobody recognizes and currently houses the cyproaches

>3000 year old texts

you can read Cypriot syllabary? :^)

>>75759395
OP was baiting ofc. Even Koine Greek is really hard to be read by today Greeks because of world order, archaic vocabulary and different meaning.

>>75759301
This shit is why the UN should just be dissolved.

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>mfw literally the most important and most sold book in Human History is written in Greek

>>75759458
>Even Koine Greek is really hard to be read by today Greeks because of world order, archaic vocabulary and different meaning.

Lol I'm Italian and that shit was easy, a Greek could easily read it if he studied it

>>75759571
If he studied it yes, but at first glance no

>>75759458
>Even Koine Greek is really hard to be read by today Greeks
no

>>75759571
Can you read the Iliad and the Odissey too? Also the philosophers?

>>75759630
The new testament is written in Koine and in church they read it as is. Even my grandma can grasp most of it. The vocab has pretty much stay totally invariant. The main things that make things "difficult" are infinitives and the dative case, which you can learn how they work in like an hour.

>>75759458
albanians always so jealous

>>75759720
>he goes to church with his granma every sunday
s m h

>>75759796
>his grandma goes to church, therefore he goes to church every Sunday
solid reasoning

>>75759796
>Being a dirty heathen

>>75759867
>he doesn't worship the Maori Gods
pathetic

>>75759905
t. Aetios "son of Alexander" Suleymanoglu
I'm white

>>75759284
did Latin draco enter proto-Germanic already? I assume a wurm word would be a better choice

>>75759458
well, he was joking I hope (just look at Mycenaean or the more archaic classical dialects lol) but Koine Greek is in many ways already halfway to Modern Greek compared to Classical Greek which is pretty much another world and you have to study it quite a bit to say you really understand it well

>>75759796
>not going to church with your gram gram

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>>75759512
lol thanks kiwibro

>>75759458
>

>>75760057
>did Latin draco enter proto-Germanic already?
Proto-Germanic is placed roughly at 500BC-200 BC. It's not "old". Unlike Proto-Greek which is placed at like 3000 BC.

>>75760309
of course, the result of later attestation and all, there's no equivalent to Mycenaean texts for Germanic unfortunately. but I only remember a few Latin words entering Germanic in its 'proto-' phase, having mostly to do with trade and stuff like that

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>>75760309
i thought Greek history is 4100 years old

>>75760537
Greek history is AT LEAST 15,000 yo!

>>75758054
I thought Greeks can't read Ancient Greek?

>>75760537
the Minoans weren't Greek-speaking and we don't know when pre-proto-Greek entered Greece exactly, it was sometime in the 2200-1700 period

if we're strict about it, the Mycenaeans can't be called 'Greek' either really, other than in a linguistic sense

>>75758054
>tfw I can
Persian master race checking in

>>75758054
I can.

>>75760655
>pre-proto-Greek

they spoke Greek
they were Greeks
same with other indo gypsies

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>>75760663
why are you lying

>>75760690
that Indo-European variety became distinct in Greece. as it entered, it would have been pre-proto-Greek or future-Greek if you prefer

>>75758054
No you can't

>>75760709
I'm glad the alphabets became so popular in yurop

>>75760773
>american education

>>75760773
Since 7th grade nigga

>>75760057
>did Latin draco enter proto-Germanic already? I assume a wurm word would be a better choice
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/drak%C3%B4
>the term(s) in this entry are not directly attested, but are hypothesized to have existed based on comparative evidence
gonna need a few grains of salt with that but it seems possible

>>75760792
Then you learned that one your own

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>>75760792
read it for me

>>75760870
It says u r a fag

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>>75760870

>>75760825
I saw that but it didn't have any sources so I thought I'd ask. maybe you can tell me if the extant Germanic forms point to a borrowing into proto-Germanic or if there are even diagnostic changes that can tell us in the first place

>>75760973
kούkτ μπάι kαλαμαράδες

>>75760999
>cooked bye
kεk

Το kαλαμαραδες δεν ειναι βρισια, ισα ισα kομπλιμεντο ειναι. Διανοουμενος σημαινει

>>75758054
>he can't hold Byzantium for 3000 years
:c

>>75761048
ε σιγά, οι Κύπριοι είτε ως βρισιά το χρησιμοποιούν είτε ως χαϊδευτιkό. δεν είναι kοπλιμέντο πλέον αν kαι έχει αυτή την kαταγωγή

αλλά πλάkα έkανα για το γεγονός πως η Κύπρος kατέληξε να χρησιμοποιεί το αλφάβητο αργότερα kαι να εγkαταλείψει την εγχώρια μορφή γραφής

>>75760825
We (as in the Finns) have hundreds of words that we got from proto-germanic, some of which haven't changed at all in the few millenia since. Thus those words are usually even closer to proto-germanic than in germanic languages (proto-germanic "kuningaz" - finnish "kuningas" - modern germanic languages "king/kung/könig/etc.)

>>75760709
lol that's Babylonian of course I can't read it.
Also
>leaf

trying to read shit in middle ages bulgarian literally gives me autism, but it's not impossible

>>75761184
does Finnish have the -ng- cluster in any native words?

>>75760863
You can learn it in a week.
And even without it, you can still get the meaning most of the time

>>75761272
It's Achaemenid Persian you dumb fuck. Persian hasn't even existed for 3000 years either.

>>75761314
Only as an agglutination (if that's the right word, I don't know these terms in english all too well). "Helsinki" (our capitol) for example turns into "Helsingin", to illustrate the meaning "Helsingin ranta" would be "Helsinkis beach" so in this case the agglutination is a possessive. So -nk- changes into -ng- when you agglutinate it, but other than that I don't recall any other time when -ng- appears in our language. Why do you ask?

Portuguese in the 1500s was already way different than what it is today, I can't even imagine how it sounded like 3 thousand years ago. It probably didn't existed

>>75761583
just curious really

>>75758054
Can you?

>>75758054
ok then

>>75761486
>Persian hasn't even existed for 3000 years either.
lol stfu h8er

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language

>>75761184
>proto-germanic "kuningaz" - finnish "kuningas"
english "cunnilingus"

>>75760999
apparently they got to know it from the Draco military standard of the Romans introduced sometime in the 2th century AD
now that's quite late for Proto-Germanic but wikipedia seems to state late forms lasting until the 3rd century so mayyyybe if you want to count that still
>>75761184
cool; I need to look into Finnish sometime
:DDD

>>75761728
no
stop

>>75761723
>links a wiki article proving my point that he can't read Old Persian as well as Persian not being 3000 years old

How retarded are you exactly?

>>75761747
>doesn't know etymology
pleb

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>>75760537
The world is Greek.

>>75761817
MY ANCESTOR

>>75761751
Proofs? :)

(Damn, this is one dedicated troll eh?)

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>>75761828
Because I speak Persian you dumb fuck. You should know our history rather than calling it Babylonian or lying about how old it is.

Also you reek of newfag/underage.

>>75761744
http://www.sgr.fi/sust/sust266/sust266_kallio.pdf

a while back, I came across something discussing proto/early Germanic toponyms in Finland too but I don't recall specifics

>>75761888
I wanna learn cuneiform.

>Ancient human language

Imagine how shit it must has been. Like using some software in pre-pre-pre-alpha testing phase.

>>75761913
You have to learn a near brand new language. It's 2 generations removed from what we speak now. The vocabulary is much different than middle-Persian.

there's no Spanish/Latin from 3000 years ago, but it'd be immensely cool if there were

The oldest Latin we have a little bit of is from roughly 2700 years ago:
MANIOSMEDFEFAKHEDNVMASIOI
that is,
MANIOS MED FEFAKHED NUMASIOI
or in Classical Latin,
Manius mē fēcit Numeriō.
or in Spanish,
Manio me hizo para Numerio.

>>75761744
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Finnish_terms_derived_from_Proto-Germanic
I'm not sure if this is a full list but it's something, I think it's interesting that a lot of the words have to do with violence and rulership, like murder (murþą -> murha), royal prince (druhtinaz -> ruhtinas), slaughter (þeuraz -> teuras), but also many very common words like for "full grown man", "whore", "hat", "shame" etc. etc. etc. also the finnish word for mother comes from Gothic. Maybe some historians could theorize about the types of relationships our peoples had long before recorded history based on the types of words that were transferred.

>>75761959
k-den

>>75761890
getting too tired for this shit now but I will check it out tomorrow; thank you

If you can your language is fake and reconstructed

>>75762104
but it is not
it just didn't change much (except phonetically)

>>75762135
the grammar changed a lot too

>>75762135
Greeks don't understand Greek from 3000 years ago without training except for some Attic-Ionic which contributed overwhelmingly to common Greek - and eventually modern Greek - after Alexander's conquests

>>75762216
yeah, but compared to most other languages, not that much

>>75762227
yes, I didn't say the opposite

>>75761670
Not sure if retarded but they spoke Latin in Portugal since being conquered by Romans

>>75762227
actually, I'd put it more like - you can't understand pre-Koine Attic Greek well without training but if you do it's not hard to get into the other dialects either. the differences between the dialects was, unsurprisingly, much smaller than the difference between Attic and standard modern after all

a few things like si vs ti, a vs e, st vs sth, the preservation of w etc. are nothing in comparison

>>75761999
man, although you can kind of see the similarity I wouldn't have been able to tell for most of these
>Maybe some historians could theorize about the types of relationships our peoples had long before recorded history based on the types of words that were transferred.
I'd like to read that! Though I suspect their educated guesses might not be much better than ours.

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ask me anything about Old Norse

>>75762684
How did you feel the day you found Icelandic is (y far) the closest language to Old Norse? It keeps those declensions and whatnot.

>>75762881
I'm not sure I know what you mean. It's not like that a secret and I learned Icelandic way before I learned Old Norse. And some ON declensions haven't been kept, while some new ones have come along (especially in the verb department).
The differences are pretty minor, all things considered.

>>75761670
>Portuguese in the 1500s was already way different than what it is today
not really, it's fairly easy to understand

>>75762684
Do you understand it?

>>75762684
tell me anything about Old Norsq

>>75764516
yes. would you like some poems?

>>75762684
Can you understand any of this?
>Þæt mælede mín módor
>þæt me scolde ceapian
>flæge and fægra ára,
>faran aweg wið wícingum,
>standan úppe in stefnan,
>stíeran deorne cnear,
>faran swá tó hæfene,
>héawan man and óðer.

>>75764656
obviously. it's one of the most famous poems Egill Skalla-Grímsson ever wrote.

>>75764545
alright, here's a fact. unlike most modern Indo-European languages, the stem of a noun matters considerably more than gender. you're probably familiar with genders from French or Spanish or German. in Old Norse, genders aren't sufficient to get a grasp on declensions. masculine words are typically a-stem (like hestr), i-stem (like matr) or u-stem (like mǫgr). there are also consonant stems, those are pretty irregular.

>>75764701
Interesting, how intelligible is Old English would you say?

>>75764719
I'm not proficient enough with it to be able to reat it, outside of a few famous passages/quotes. it's a little uncomfortable for me because it's in this weird uncanny valley.

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>yfw you can unironically read thousands year old stuff written in a foreign language because your ancestors stole those characters

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ON is love

ON is life

>>75765459
lol you know what's going to happen don't you?

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>>75765470
wat

>Greeks can't even read Linear B, their native language

>>75765470
kek

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>?

>>75758054
RIP Old English

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>>75765459

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>>75765766
>>75765550
I still don't get it

"My" language (Spanish) didn't exist up until the Middle Ages. It sprang out from Vulgar Latin after the fall of the Roman Empire. It wasn't first attested up until the 12th/13th century.
Latin didn't even exist yet 3000 years ago.

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>>75765833
Your fingernails

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>>75765879
oh. they're not mine, I lifted the image from some twitter user.

Is Hesiod the oldest writer greeks can read?
Wouldnt that be closer to 2600-2700 years?

Can you actually read it?
Thats pretty neat.
I want to learn Greek but tbqh it's not really worth it.

Modern day Greeks are just Ottoman rape babies

>>75765241
>they allocated hours of my youth to make me memorize how to decipher those ancient texts
>never came across those texts again afterward so I totally forgot what I had learned
What was the point of this?

>>75766123
Please dont say such lies.
It's not nice

>>75760537
Minoans were Greek in the same way the Mississippians were U.S. Americans or the Olmecs were Mexican. That is to say they lived roughly around the same area but absolutely fucking weren't otherwise.

Like, they spoke a completely unrelated, non-Indo-European language, they had a completely different culture, completely different religious beliefs, customs, traditions, deities, they dressed different, their architecture was different, their writing was different, archaeological evidence suggests their social structures were very different. All available evidence suggests that they had basically nothing in common. Calling the Minoans "Greek," or rather, part of "Greek Civilization" or "Greek History" seems completely baseless and more than a bit ridiculous desu. I mean you might as well say we're 18,000~ years old because that's probably about when the earliest Paleo-Indians arrived in North America.

>>75766475

iirc Minoans were Greek, as in, Linear A is an an unknown language, probably preindoeuropean, but when Linear B was desciphered people were shocked to see it was a very archaic version of Greek.

>>75758054
Neither can you

Greeks didn't write much if anything before 500BC

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>my ancestors were tribal illiterates before the Romans civilised them

>>75767379
>"your" language
>can't even speak it because you're some schizophrenic role-playing barely literate NEET

>>75767483
no one believes that

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>>75767339
CIVILISED

>>75760057
Germanic runes are italic already

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>>75767501
i do

>>75759284

>mfw I understood that thing

Sheeeiit

>>75759301
It was a fucking military coup orchestrated by Greek military Junta in order to annex your island. The exact same shit Russia pull off with Crimea. I don't like Turks but in this particular case they were right.

>>75767206
No Minoan cuniform is completely different and un translated

>>75767206
The Linear B-using Mycenaeans were Greek, yeah, but but they were foreign non-Minoan barbarians.

>>75768426
Minoans didn't use cuneiform. But you are right that their writing system is untranslated. But from what we've managed to figure out it's definitely not Greek or even Indo-European.

>>75760537
Where are Hattians and Hittities?

Where is Alashiy?

Where are Hurrians, Canaanites and Arameans?

How are mali, Ghana, Songhay or Axum ancient?

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>>75758054
>He can't read a 5000 years old book
How can gentiles even compete?
Are gentiles even considered human?

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>>75769880
Very saxy boba

>>75769678
its about unique cultures
you shitalian

>>75770018
Italian cultures are not unique?

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>>75770031

>>75770083
Not true

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>>75770160

>>75769880
Isn't modern Hebrew completely different?

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>>75766123
say that to my face convert

>>75758054
>implying im not greek

>>75770249
It is, he jewed you

>>75758054
I believe i can read 70% of 1000 year old texts in middle high German and 90% of transliterated texts. That's okay i guess.

Reunion creole didn't even exist 200 years ago

>>75758054
>His language isn't an autistic version of a 12th century dialect of a different language

>>75771578
Luxembourgish is easy to understand

>>75771595
Absolutely

>>75771595
Because it's a dialect,the only reason it isn't is because high german is not longer used as "Dachsprache"

>>75758054
neither can you

>>75769880
you are just bunch of LARPers that 'ressurected' dead language without even knowing how it sounded

>>75758165
So can I, but it only goes back to the Franks.

>>75771744
Still I find it cute.

>>75771744
Boottermaart.

Hei elei cuck elei.

Damn, ikishit getting banned now?Finally some good moderation.

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>>75758054
>tfw only read 2000 years old texts

>>75772195
been going on for a few days now, mods seem to have a zero tolerance policy on ikibey

>>75772195
oc

>>75772037
jealous

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>>75772267
You can read and understand this without studying classic Greek? Honest answer pls.

Because most of the Greeks I've met really seemed to dislike classic Greek.

>>75772309
i cant open the picture

>>75772238
Don't you have a real clothes for your kids? Why does that girl wearing a pillowcase?

>>75772325
phoneposting?

>>75772351
she is small arabshka babushka
she make motherland proud and prosper

>>75772395
yes
ask other Greeks in Greek thread

>>75772309
You can understand 90% of the words, but there's a weird syntax and verbs specifically are used in unusual and sometimes different ways, so no, the average person can't always gasp the entire meaning of the text, but he typically get a general idea of what the text is referring to. I you study a bit (ie in the range of weeks, or if you paid attention in the highschool courses) you can read them quite easily.

>>75772309
ok on computer now
i understand most words but not everything

>>75772267
"oc" ne amk

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UNESCO's Memory of the World Register

>Greek text
1 (one)
>Polish texts
14 (fourteen)

>>75772888
what?

>>75773108
its a meme club anyway

>>75768054
Does it matter? They are ethnic Greeks and have a right to (re)join with the motherland, regardless of how shitty the government is.

>>75772674
>>75772782

OK thanks. I remember in (catholic) secondary school, when you studied classical Greek, there was an option to study modern Greek along side of it in the last years.

>>75770249
>>75771088
it isn't, speakers of modern Hebrew can read the Bible just fine

>>75774512
If it were up to me, 6 years of Greek-Latin (or Greek/Latin-mathemics/modern languages) would become mandatory again for anyone having hopes of attending higher education.

Both Greek and Latin are the backbones of European civilisation. Every barbarian language has absorbed many words derived from both these

>>75774904
* mathematics

>>75774579

how would you translate the term "Rephaim"?

>>75774120
Why don't they rejoin by migrating there ?

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>>75765895
>twitter user
>oldest pic is from /int/
Anon pls...

>>75775179
What about the ones that want to stay independent and certainly not be part of a shitty country like Greece ?

>>75775233
they can suck it, fucking losers.

>>75775260
Nice argument fag. I'm not a t*rk btw you greek faggot.

>>75775288
t. hairy half turk cypriot nationalist separatist

>>75775355
Everybody hates greece because they're lazy lying fucks who don't pay debts.

>>75775355
I didnt even talk shit about Greece I just said that the people who dont want to be part of Greece can suck it, but I was stupid enough believing that an autistic analphabetic cuckold like you would be able to understand what I wrote.

>>75774938
ghosts or something? depends on the context

>>75774628
I know of the septaguint, what were you trying to say?

>>75775575
The Rephaim were the Canaanites that the Israelites were demanded by God to slaughter. They were said to be a race of giants, children of the fallen angels (see genesis 6 and 1 Enoch)

>>75774628
I am a greek.

>>75775817
cool I didn't know that.
from a bit of googling it looks like the bible also uses the word in the context of ghosts/spirits, which is more like the modern usage of it.

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>>75765459
>the burning of niall
this was in one of my animes

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>>75775469
Greece is one of the few countries that fulfills its NATO obligations

Fuck Germany.

>>75773108
>UNESCO's Memory of the World Register
literally who
plato's republic alone is worth more than all polish literature combined

>>75769880
Hebrew of today is a reconstructed fake language.

>>75779103
it's somewhat reconstructed, but biblical Hebrew is still easily readable.

>>75772309
Almost all the words are still used in contemporary Greek with the same meaning. You just need to spend some time to rearrange the syntax. Some of the conjugation is different (like different suffixes and stuff), but most of the time you can figure out what that conjugation is either because it is very similar to modern, or just from context. If you have spent some time to learn ancient verb and noun conjugations, then it is very easy.

>>75758054
Nigga all those texts will be fucking taken by debts collector soon if you dont quit shitposting and start working.

>>75780780
>Poland

What will you do now that the UK will not let you guys clean their toilets?

>>75780893
ikibey pls

>>75780847
>>75780868
>>75780893
>>75781090
Triggered much? Just right in the touchy spot i see :D The question is what this debtniger doing in germany. Does they take payment is slaves now?

>>75768510
Yeah they did use cuniform