Why the hell so many americans support donald trump?

why wouldn't they ? he's not great, in fact he's a fat ugly retard but he's the only one who doesn't hate on white americans so i support him as well

>>75735478
because americans are degenerate. Proof:

http://www.blc.arizona.edu/courses/schaffer/449/Buffon/Buffon-American%20Degeneracy.htm

Because he obviously doesn't need money and does it for his kin. And when lying journalists hate on and lie about someone every day you know what side to take.

>>75735478
Do you want a serious answere or a meme answere?

>>75735681
Seriously asking I want serious answer from American people.

>>75735783
I am not an American, but as far as I understand, a large percentage of american working class people is left behind by globalisation, and the politican establishment of USA doesn't care about the problems of working class Americans.
Obiviously, the workers are pretty angry and have little trust in the establishment, thus outsiders like Trump or Bernie became popular.

One would hope that the establishment would learn from there mistakes, but it seems they would rather blame Russia than to try figure out their own mistakes

>>75735870
"Working class people left behind by trade or robots or whatever" is the story the political establishment tells itself about Trump to excuse people for understanding what he is and voting for him anyway. But really two factors explain shift from Obama '12 to Trump '16, low education and recent rise in Hispanic population share if it was from a low base. Objective economic conditions don't explain voting shifts at all

>>75735961
People voted for Obama because he promised changed, but he really failed to deliver.
And it's not like Trump was especially popular, Hillary Cliton was the personification of political establishment, and this made her very unpopular.

>low education
That's pretty arrogant of you, to say that trump voters are just to stupid to vote in their best interest

>>75735783
Serious answer?

First, note that very few Americans actually support any candidate. About 60% of eligible voters cast a ballot in 2016 and more of them voted for Clinton.

Second, our political system and all of its factions are dysfunctionally corrupt. Trump may not prove to be the answer, but where most Americans are united is in seeing the necessity of political upheaval. Bernie Sanders obviously would've won the presidency if the DNC hadn't conspired against him. I say that not because I like him, but because it's factually so. He would've succeeded amongst the demographics Hillary took for granted and neglected, resulting in Trump's strategic victory by technicality.

I could speak endlessly on it, but the biggest factor is that most Americans are ready for a shake-up. The Dems were too caught up in the political dynasty of the Clintons to respond appropriately. The Republicans were saved by a near-universal contempt for the Bush II years and Jeb's being famously uncharismatic, otherwise they would've likely been in the same bind.

Additionally, American politics has gone full nihilistic. It is a reality TV show and little more. It gets more outrageous every day as American life altogether becomes a reality TV show.

Abandon hope all ye who enter here. It hasn't even begun.

>>75736011
Years of schooling is an objective measure, and it's inversely correlated with shift towards Trump at the individual, county, and levels.

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>>75736090
because people from lower educational background have to compete with illegal mexican immigrants.
But instead of taking the problems they face seriously, the establishment basically tells them to lay down and die.

Is it then really so suprizing that the people use the only political power they have, their vote, against the establishment that doesn't care for them?

>>75736090
But what does "years of schooling" or "low education" even represent? Could it be that the poorly educated are the key demo being left behind by globalization? Is mass immigration (usually of other poorly educated plebs who compete with American plebs for jobs) not further reflective of globalization?

>>75735478
Reminds them of themselves.

>>75736215
>>75736171
Those things could be true, but if they were you'd expect to see income and education have explanatory power instead of just education, and you don't.

>>75736310
If you are an American worker from a lower educational background, you are gonna be worried about mexican immigrants even if you have a job, so I dont think the income (or lack of it) really matters.

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>>75736310
America had an "education peak" between George Bush and Donald Trump that made Obama possible. Thank you for opening our eyes.

>>75735478
WHY ARE YOU GOOKS SO FUCKING STUPID AND UGLY?

WHY DO YOU GET PLASTIC SURGERY? WHY ARE YOU SO INSECURE AND VAIN?

WHY ARE YOU FOREVER TO REMAIN SLAVES TO JAPANESE, CHINESE AND AMERICANS?

WHY IS YOUR COUNTRY SO PATHETIC?

AHAHAHHAHAHAHA YOU FUCKING UGLY GOOK

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>tfw fell for the drumpf meme

>>75736511
t. Jungle gook

>>75736484
Years of schooling and age were much stronger factors in '16 than before. Same thing happening in the UK right now

>>75736484
This

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>tfw voted for trump to remove the spics but the neocons got to him first

>>75736612
>wanting to have yourself removed

>>75735478

They mistake him for Ronald McDonald

How popular is Trump right now?

>>75736484
How stupid does someone have to be to elect draft dodger who preaches about patriotism.

>>75736484
This is the left's "education peak".
This is the reality of who they are talking about when they gloat about their more "educated" voters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4J3TGNE8Uw

>>75736736
The biggest shift was among high income, white Southern suburbanites, since so many of them voted for Romney

>>75736736
You could as well post redneck fucking his daughter as example of Republican.
But this is principal republican news network
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN5L2q6hfWo

>>75736663
>subhuman rapebaby can't realize that not everyone in the world wants to live in the third world society USA

>>75735478
He's just like them : stupid, fat and he "says it how it is".

>>75736682
Search
Fivethirtyeight.

About 40% support

Also, he didn't dodge the draft.

>>75735783
Short and dirty but serious answer is I don't like Trump. I think he's a buffoon who's jeopardizing nationalistic resurgence the West needs if its to survive at all within the next 50 years. I think he's too beholden to Neo-Con and Neo-Liberal bullshit too. However, as much as I loathe him, I absolutely fucking detest the very existence of those who like to complain about him. I will take an idiot like him over anyone on the political Left even though some of my views lie there and it's precisely because of shit like identity politics and immigration. It doesn't matter what your nation's policies are if it can't even strive for self-existence.

>>75736666
daily finnish quality post, quads confirm

>>75736511
t. Colony of South Korea Which Country Sell Their All Girls to South Korea

>>75736808

Hey Croassia,

Shut your fucking little insignificant pie hole before we send our all our American niggers over to run a train on your women and breed your shitty little country out of existence. Fucking faggot.

>>75737042
XDDD got trololololed

>>75735512
this

pretty much this

>>75736944
Bruh I know that feel. I still have my Kucinich '08 buttons. The last thing I want to seem like is a leftist these days tho, cuz it's increasingly less removed from cutting off your own dick. What's wrong with these people?

>>75736484
>tfw to intelligent too win

Sure, sure.

If I'm a NEET virgin loser, it's because I'm too handsome and intelligent.

>>75736808
You could, but then you'd be a fucking retard because incidences for incest are about even across the races in the US. Globally the only people who practice wide scale and institutional incest are those in the Middle-East, but progressives aren't about to shift their shitty insults if it means their pet minorities get the flak.

And yes, I meant to say institutional, because the lunacy you see coming from leftwing campuses is not isolated anymore. It's part of the curriculum. These are just idiots taking the material already there and stretching it to their own means. Evergreen might be the most recent, but at a certain point a pattern emerges and it's one that's been built into the system.

>>75736011
No candidate can help the poorly educated find jobs now because everything is moving to the point all physical jobs are being replaced with machines. You need a college degree to get a job now but many Trump voters are unwilling to get one. They want to go back to a time that can't exist anymore.

cause they're all flag-waving reagan-monkeys deep down

Because he's not a typical souless politician who will probably keep the same policies that were kept the past 20+ years that care about themselves more than the people they "represent". The difference between Republicans and Democrats is miniscule and Trump is something different.

>>75737163
>Update
There should just be a tax on the educated to support them.

>>75737163
So what's your solution? Poorely educated people should die?
If yes, please don't be surpized if they don't vote the way you like

>>75736082
That was informative and in line with what I've heard from other yanks.

>>75737233
Do you really think educated are keeping your country down?

>>75737126
So you are implying that this kind thought is common in US.

>>75736595
It wasn't that. Blacks voted in Obama years but only for him. Dems got fucked over big time in all other races because blacks are nationalist and racist and only vote based on race now. No black was in this race so they disn't show up. Dems are in a pickle because the future can't rely on putting up a black candidate all the time. If they do then the GOP will so the same but with a latino.

>>75737193
You say this derisively, but Reagan was an example of someone from a leftwing region who abandoned those politics when finally confronted with their reality. I sympathize given I've resigned myself to never vote for another democrat ever again after years of supporting them. What's exactly wrong with waving the flag too?

>>75735478
The lowest common denominator is easily manipulated and during the Clapistani election campaign, Donald Trump's rhetoric pandered to a lot of their insecurities, like a good politician.

>>75737248
All I'm saying is they are unwilling to change like the blacks of the Dems. Both partys have their problem with people who want work harder to find a job. The low class whites seem to think that manual labor jobs will be forever.

>>75737277
>Do you really think educated are keeping your country down?
I would go as far to say that the vast majority of university education in this country amounts to little more than training on how to screw the rest of the population. This is especially true at elite institutions, and their alumni should be taxed into poverty for it.

>>75737336
Thats a great way to attract intellectuals. That is a recipe to make America African tier.

>>75737336
There is a reason why US has better living standard than India or China, and they are not factory or fast food workers.

>>75737331
*won't work harder to find a job

>>75736484
>Daily Intelligencer
That's a rather unfortunate publication name.

>>75737360
I consider myself a radical anti-intellectual. I don't want to attract new ones. I just want to punish the ones we already have.

>>75737377
Standard of living means little if you're forced to live under the tyranny of the intellectual caste and their institutions of higher nepotism.

>>75737447
>I consider myself a radical anti-intellectual
American/10.

>>75737447
Anti-intellectualism only hurts your own life. Africa is shit because of it. Smart people make life better for everyone.

>>75737469
The sad thing is that a large part of the population thinks like him despite them constantly voting in intellectuals with business or law degrees into power (the GOP barring Trump).

>>75737447
>Standard of living means little if you're forced to live under the tyranny of the intellectual caste and their institutions of higher nepotism.
Have you ever lived somewhere outside of US?
You sound a lot like COD player that speaks about war.

>I consider myself a radical anti-intellectual.
You might as well say "I am idiot". What do you do for living?

>>75736082
Holy shit you actually write really well, unlike the usual trash I read here, do you happen to be a writer?

>>75737360
Friendo, Harvard just revoked acceptance to several freshmen because they posted offensive memes in a private Facebook group. "Attracting intellectuals" is already on its way out. The American university system becomes more of a farce every day and the bubble will likely burst in our lifetimes.

>>75737377
It's entrepreneurs. And the numbers aren't looking good.

>>75737277
Not implying at all, I'm flat out stating it. Academia is infested with actual legitimate communists. I say this as a person who use to have some sympathy for the ideology. Time and time again we've seen these kinds of protests happening all over leftwing campuses in North America and "educators," are frequently the culprits.

Yvette Felarca, a middle school teacher, leading a violent cult says as much. Eric Clanton, an ethics professor, smashing someone over the head with a bike lock says as much. The Berkeley riots that had members of university staff within them and was supported by the town's mayor says as much. The professor who lost her shit at NYU demanding police lock up "nazis," when Gavin McInness showed up says as much. Ciccorioello-Maher's comments says as much. The professor at University of Wisconsin at Madison teaching a class entitled "The Problem of Whiteness," with taxpayer money and administrator support says as much.

And it extends beyond university at this point. Look at the way networks run by these people like Comedy Central or MTV try and push the same ideology. Look at the way prospective DNC chairs can frame the positives of their candidacy as a willingness to shut down white people, something nobody on stage or in the crowd objected to. Democrats can laugh about white male suicide rates in front of laughing crowds and then double down when called out on it.

Yes, this kind of thought is resoundingly common in the US and it's a problem the weak on the left are incapable of confronting.

>>75737331
It's funny to see how people like you tell to the working class they should just work harder (for less money), while I bet you yourself are strongly against H-1B visa, because they compete with you

>>75737563
Yea I agree on how academia is being fucked over by left wing anti-intellectualism after for years fighting the right wing version. I just assume the US will be run by foreign educated intellectuals.

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>>75736828
uhm....try again sweetie, everyone can pretty much see the cracks now.

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>>75736484
>tfw too intelligent to to grab them by the pussy

>>75737570
Have you considered that your source of information might be biased, cherry-picking the most outrageous examples?

>>75737595
I am not asking them to work for less money. I am telling them they need a degree to find a job for their own sake. I am against the use of H1bs on hiring cheap labor that happens to be shit but then again I can't control that. What I can control is to better educate myself to others so an employer hires me over them.

>>75737570
You are an example of how arrogance and ignorance can make such a destructive combination.

>>75737676
Of course he didn't. All that matters are those things which pander to his world view.

>>75737476

>>75737469
Most Americans believe themselves to be some sort of genius. Most anti-intellectuals try to frame their views in an anti-intellectual manner. I despise the notion of genius altogether.
>>75737531
>You might as well say "I am idiot". What do you do for living?
Odd jobs here and there. Steady work isn't really something I've managed to find.
>>75737476
Africa is shit for many reasons most of them related to European Imperialism/meddling. Brain drain is one of them, but it's not the only one. My ideal is a Khmer Rouge styled regime in the US. Quality of life isn't exactly my concern.

>>75737695
>I am not asking them to work for less money. I am telling them they need a degree to find a job for their own sake.
And how do you expect an man in his 40s who has a family to feed to finance his reeducation?

>I am against the use of H1bs on hiring cheap labor that happens to be shit but then again I can't control that.
Because you can feel the effect of the competition. That's the same reason why working class americans are against illegal immigrants, because those are cheap labour who cause a race to the bottom

>>75737718
You hate communism but want a society built on ideals exactly like communism. The smart people in commie nations who did not adhere to the party were killed. Dumb people are of no concern because idiots do not rebel.

>>75735478
they believed Trump is on the the side of 99% before election, and have not yet realized they're deluded.

>>75737570
Do you feel threatened because you are white?

>>75737563
>It's entrepreneurs.
But they usually are highly educated.
Problem with too many number of people educaten is shit like history, journalism and similar profesions should sort itself out especially in highly liberal economy as yours.
We have same problem, and they as well are always crying about how there is no work to do?

>>75737760
I would actually favor your nations and France education system where you get paid to go to colllege. Then again the very people who would benefit from this vote against these ideas.

>>75737771
When did I say I hate communism? I've been a supporter f that system for some time. It's just a brand of communism that is anti-intellectual in nature.

I guess I should make it clear that I do not support Trump (I was even "with her" last November). I'm just more sympathetic to his supporters than his opposition.

>>75737814
I think it is because your country is brainwashed against anything that sounds remotely like socialism.
It is really sad to see working class people vote against their own interest. They know that something is wrong with the current system, but due to the propaganda education, they are blind to the obvious solution

>>75737718
Mate I would suggest you to go join Kurds or some shit like that if you really believe in what you write.
I think you are either very young or have not experienced enough hardships in your life.

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>>75735478
Stupid Muricans are so stupid

>>75737866
Did you support Sanders?

>>75737927
I doubt he did. Sanders was not anti-intellectual.

>>75737927
I didn't vote in the primary. I was more concerned with voting against Trump in the general. Not a big fan of the Democrats, but I do believe that they have a better grasp of economics than the GOP.

>>75737872

As cliche as it sounds I blame the mainstream media in the US. Shit's so whacked and filled with biases no wonder the general public have NO IDEA to trust or what to even fucking believe in. And those recent surveys pretty much confirm it too.

>>75737958
Well, he was closest to socialist in upcoming elections.
Democrats fucked themselves up in the ass by not electing him.

>>75737889
The Kurds strike me as the types who read Marx and Kropotkin when they're not fighting. The thought of it makes me sick.

>>75737163
can't is a strong word

>>75737676
Find me examples of leftwing faculty standing hard against this sort of idiocy then. I can post sources for all of what I just said, can you give me at least one of progressives taking out their own trash beyond mealy mouthed words?

Please tell me how the DNC chair race is cherry picked when the progressive darling every wet mop on the left wanted to win is the same asshole who turned the DFL into a laughing stock and popularized a riotous advocacy group for a piece of shit gunned down for attacking EMTs? Please tell me how that's cherry picked when his own associates from his time at the DFL were engaged in doxing their constituents for complaining about city council members taking part in said "protests"?

The Left does absolutely nothing to curb its crazy actors so I don't give any fucks about conflating the two anymore.

>>75737800
Yes. When every Antifa rally in the SW has a gaggle of Mexican irredentists in it, when shit like Evergreen happens and the administrators bend over backwards for it, when taxpayers subsidize teachers who celebrate murder and view the Haitian revolution as a positive thing, when Democrats can laugh about your suicide rates benefiting their electoral prospects or frame shutting you down as a positive to which none of their contemporaries disagree.

>>75737800
It's true that they're highly educated, but they're highly educated from a time when college debt wasn't crippling and home ownership was a strong possibility. College is increasingly more of a gamble (at worst, a reckless excursion) for people who don't know what else to do in life, where college used to be a very definite way to better your lot. In short, education used to represent hustle and hope, but it now usually represents a willingness to be deeply indebted because "what else am I supposed to do?" Education doesn't mean what it used to.

>>75737872
We are brainwashed against socialism. Because its only recipients here are usually absolute gutter trash (perhaps because said brainwashing deters anyone with self-respect from taking). But whatever the case, brainwashing is a bit simplistic for other reasons as well. Anyone who has ever dealt with the US government can tell you what a Kafka-esque hellscape it is that largely serves to enfeeble those it purports to help.

>>75737539
>alcoholic
>unemployed

Why yes, I'm a writer.

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>>75737695
Not every white Americans are smart enough to get into college/university. With affirmative action policy based on race in college admission, white Americans chances of getting into colleges/universities are further lowered.

>>75738136
Hey, I am not saying that you are wrong.
I am just saying that if I was in your position, I would be concerned with the possibility that my outlook on American acadamic landscape is influenced by conformation-bias of the media I consume.

Sure, your sources mind be 100% correct, but they might ignore the overwhelming majority of cases where Academic personal doesn't support communism

>>75738136
You might just be way too easy offended.

>>75738168
>It's true that they're highly educated, but they're highly educated from a time when college...
But how is voting Trump going to improve that situation when investing in education is communist plot according to republicans.

>>75738168
Isn't it related to the strong American focus on individuals over communties, on the whole idea of american dream, that anybody can make it to the top if he just tries hard enough?

>>75738176
>not everyone is smart enough to go to college
when all the manual jobs are getting killed off it's either that or unemployment, robots aren't going to replace everybody but they are and will replace many people

>>75738240
I'm not that dude, but I am concerned about my outlook, because I'm a college student and I generally feel the same as he does. He's pretty measurably right. Colleges are overwhelmingly turbo-leftist.

https://heterodoxacademy.org/resources/guide-to-colleges/top150/

https://heterodoxacademy.org/problems/

>>75738240
>Sure, your sources mind be 100% correct, but they might ignore the overwhelming majority of cases where Academic personal doesn't support communism

I know that's true, but quite frankly I do not care anymore. I want students, professors, administrators, and alumni to stand against this bullshit. I'm absolutely done with the leftwing's rank and file keeping their head down and grumbling behind closed doors. It only takes a driven minority to drive and control discourse if the majority is a complacent mob. I don't care about the opinions of the majority that is voiceless and without action if they simply stand by and let this happen. It's not surprising the left has fallen in love with Islam given they seem to share this characteristic as of late.

>>75738302
That would be true if they were making jokes or if they weren't serious. They're not joking and they're deadly serious. They're spouting very unironically held ideas and using shitty humor to try and couch and soften the blow so people like you can throw that transparent attempt at plausible deniability at me.

>>75738482
I would imagine many people from academic background have similar feelings towards american working class.
They wan't them to stand up against racism, xenophobia and facism, even if not all white working class americans support it.

>>75738302
"Investing" in education is the reason it costs so much. Wage stagnation is a separate issue, but there's nothing more common than hearing from older generations that they "worked their way through college on a part time job". It's practically impossible to pay for college without massive loans, because there is literally infinite demand subsidized by the government.

And voting for Trump won't fix it. Neither would voting for Hillary. Neither would Bernie. America is fucked.

>>75738305
Sort of, I think. It's a big question and I don't claim I've got all the answers, but most people I know are either born into a family that knows the ins and outs of every single government benefit for which they're eligible, or they're born into a family that is clueless about how to get benefits.

Much as I resist big blanket statements and solutions above, I will say this: America's biggest problem is deadlock. We have neither socialism nor capitalism. We have a murky in between where everyone is increasingly happy to sabotage one another to prevent the political ascent of Stalinism or corporate fascism or whatever the hell is the hyperbole of the day. The whole machine is gummed up. Full on socialism or full on capitalism would function better, but nobody who believes in one will trust the country to someone who believes in the other.

>>75738674
I think the government will have to do something about student debt during the next major recession. Too many people won't be able to pay their loans in the even of mass layoffs.

>>75738674
Well I mean your state, cutting for example military spending and investing in education.
You invest less per capita than west european states, and you sure as hell have resources to do it.
And you are one of most capitalistic societies on earth.

>>75738576
Then maybe they should stop peddling those things if they don't like them. Draconian speech codes, condoning violence against outgroups, endless lectures on the evils of "whiteness," and lessons designed to induce guilt or obsequiousness in people for their skin color are all hallmarks of those same academics. If they want to curb the spread of the hard right then they need to first and foremost look in the mirror and wonder why they think chastising people over microaggressions, white privilege, or the reactionary self-preservation to being flooded with foreigners is a good idea. Until these academics thoroughly destroy the schools of thought that allow such blatant double-standards I don't care what they have to say about these concepts and how dangerous they are, especially when they're condoning their very own versions of them and deluding themselves into thinking they represent such simple-minded platitudinal concepts as "progress," and "equality."

>>75738757
Throwing more money at the problem has show to do fuck all and I certainly want nothing to do with ingratiating America's broken, corrupt, and politically insane university system with even more resources.

>>75739014
Your country is bound to become third world then.

>>75738885
To me as an outsider, it seems like American society is really polarized.
You have the right-wing and left-wing. Both groups have very little interest in communicating with each other, and would rather make up strawman arguments that to engage each other in a serious and productive discussion.
I do believe it is always easier to say what the other group should do, rather to try to make the first step yourself

>>75738757
Invest how? Any university can already charge whatever it wants in accordance with infinite, government subsidized demand. Universities routinely overcharge simply to appear more prestigious. I think that the needs of any American university with even moderate enrollment are well met.

>>75739073
To me as an insider... yeah. ;_;

>>75739055
It's going to become third world because of immigration and an erosion of common culture. If throwing money at schools made them proficient then inner city schools would be the best in the country. They're not.

>>75739073
Sorry, I don't buy this. Not anymore. Virtually all influential media relevant to anyone under the age of 50 is inundated with leftwing politics and biases. Education is completely controlled by the left. Nearly all of the major tech firms are slammed into the same tiny space in the Bay due to corporate welfare. Twitter, Facebook, Yahoo, Google/Youtube, Pornhub, Wikipedia, Reddit, they're all run by people who regularly interact on a personal basis in the the same metro. Giant media conglomerates and international companies all push the same viewpoints because leftwing social policies are valuable for eroding barriers that impede exploitation.

Intellectually speaking the two are at an impasse, but it's nothing close to the same situation and comparing the two on that basis is a false equivalence given the utter control one has over media and education.

Very few people actually support him.
Most of the country didn't vote for him.
and the people that did, did it only out of party affiliation or concern for other issues like supreme justice nominations, etc.

The past election was, for many people, a best of 2 evils, not a very inspiring election, desu.

>>75739406
>Virtually all influential media relevant to anyone under the age of 50 is inundated with leftwing politics and biases.
What about fox news? Breitband? Infowars? T_D?

>>75735478
Many people in the world have learned the word deflation at school, but they will not have that experience though we Japanese people have experienced 25 years.
And now, people in many countries will experience the populism just learned at school.

>>75739539
T_D is at the mercy of Reddit. Breitbart was irrelevant less than three-two years ago. Infowars is fringe nonsense that again has only been popularized very recently and Fox has always, and still largely is, the domain of those much older than 50.

Those are also all "news," organizations. You won't find their kind of biases permeating and politicizing your entertainment the same way leftwing bullshit will.