>soviet """victory"""

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>>75722029
>Soviet """tactics"""

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>bring 2400 tanks
>lose almost 2600

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another one for the soviets

>>75722182
kek

>>75722199
Nice dubs

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and another for the soviets

>>75722221
nice miss

>>75722029
>Butthurt kids got BTFO on /his/ and came here
the Soviets count their casualties different than the Germans. They include all men who spent time in a hospital due to sickness as casualties, while the Germans only count those wounded in action. Also, the Soviets count every tank that is immobilized for any amount of time as "knocked out", while the Germans only document losses if the entire tank is eviscerated. A Soviet tank blows out a track and is ready to go a day later? Listed as a loss. A German tank suffers several penetrations, is utterly crippled, and is in the garage for the next year? Not a loss. The Soviets would also count even lightly wounded men as casualties, while the Germans wouldn't.

It's more reliable to compare irrecoverable losses than just casualties. So, men killed, captured, or missing.

>military chauvinism
war does not determine who's RIGHT only who's LEFT

>attacker suffers greater losses
well duuhhh

>>75722322
Wow you rarely see soviet propaganda LIVE in action

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>>75722322
I knew there was a Homo Sovieticus behind that post

If the Germans won that then we won vietnam

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>>75722514
>Europoors whining 70 years after they killed civilians and then sucked soviet cock

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>soviet """""fleet""""

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>>75722490
Russians are just shit at war
It's fortunate for them that they have plenty of useful idiots like >>75722322 throw at the enemy

>>75722694
I think I have the full text saved somewhere

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>>75722875
Didn't know there was a longer version.

>>75723046
I don't even remember whether it was a screenshot from 4chan or from other source, but I remember reading a really detailed version of this. can't seem to dig it out though

>>75722694
Holy shit I can't stop laughing at this

>>75722694
We were aiding the Japanese, though. Hell, most of the Japanese fleet was built here.

The harm Europeans did to themselves with the world wars (and the Napoleonic wars) is astounding.

Why the hell can't Russians do anything naval related well?

>>75724357
It's mostly due to the fact that they usually put people that have never to sea on boats and then sending them on month long voyages.
It's also partially due to the fact that if you live on the largest frozen shit hole on earth you don't necessarily feel the need to build a competent navy.

>>75722029
They won tho.

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>>75724652
If you settle for that as victory you are a loser.

>>75722029
>Germany claims they destroyed 3700 Soviet tanks and 900 guns
>the Soviet only had 2400 guns and tanks with them

Why does Germany lie all the time?

>>75725018
They won that war too.

Germany was the undisputed greatest military power in WWII.

Not only were German soldiers en masse better trained and equipped than Allied soldiers (especially Soviet conscript pawns), but their tanks were awesome. A standard German medium tank like a Pz IV was worth 4 T-34/76s or Shermans - it was hand-crafted, armed with a 75mm PaK gun that despite being about the same size as its competitors' 76mm cannons, was deadlier.

German tanks were also differentiated, unlike most Allied equipment - for instance a Pz III could be outfitted with a flamethrower rather than its cannon and would be referred to as a Flammenpanzer. Same applied for Sd Kfz 251 halftracks. Add in the tank destroyers Elefant and Hummel, and the German Army is rolling even before the inception of the Konigstiger.

Point is, the Soviet Army was a load of crap which benefited from German logistical inferiority as well as the weather.

>>75722322
>the Soviets count their casualties different than the Germans.
Hahahahahaha the Soviets rarely recorded casualties, and usually when they did, they were inaccurate/cherry-picked. The better question is were the casualties sustained by commissars enforcing Order 227 recorded?

>>75722029
so many lives lost...

>>75722029
In a war like that if you, you win. It was Russians, Americans, Brits/Frenchies and all their african colonial troops raping Helga and Eva for decades, not the other way around.

>>75722029
how do you even?

>>75722029
Zerg rush tactics is the best tactics, prove me wrong.
Also, it was 70 years ago, nobody gives a shit.

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>>75731130
>adopters of the tactics are known to be shitholes

>>75722694
> From Vigo, the main Russian fleet then approached Tangiers, Morocco, and lost contact with the Kamchatka for several days. The Kamchatka eventually rejoined the fleet and claimed that she had engaged three Japanese warships and fired over 300 shells: the ships she had actually fired at were a Swedish merchantman, a German trawler, and a French schooner. As the fleet left Tangiers, one ship accidentally severed the city's underwater telegraph cable with her anchor, preventing communications with Europe for four days.[6]

>>75722694
>soviet
How stupid are you?

>>75722029
times change now they can exterminate the german subhumans in one day

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>>75724357

>>75725966
>Pz IV was worth 4 T-34
Nice source there, friendo

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>>75731253
>adopters of the tactics are known to be shitholes
Funny you mentioned that

>>75725966
>box armoured Pz IV
>worth anything
it was shit, you pathetic wehraboo

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>>75731357
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2_(%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80)

>>75722029
Russia and China share the same tactics and mentality.
They have no value for human life and think just overrunning positions for "victory" is always the best strategy no matter the cost.

Throughout most of Russia's history are ironic "victories" in which they performed very poorly but managed to win politically through waiting for winter and attacking enemy supply lines etc.

China is even more extreme in that than Russia though. China can lose 3 million soldiers in a single battle and still call it a glorious victory.

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>>75722029
>high death mean victory, right?

How many times do people have to say this: War is the application of force to compel an adversary to your will, it is not a sport that goes off a scoreboard!

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>>75731519
>Russia and China share the same tactics and mentality.

i wish someone from china can hit your stupid head with a hammer until you are dead..

>>75731537
k:d doesn't determine the victor but it most certainly measures effectiveness and merit of the operators.

It also vastly changes society by skewing the male-female ratio. Which was evident in Russia after the two world wars.

I think op's point was the Red Army was hilariously inefficient and suffered by far the most losses in the war even though it was Germany was fighting every power at the same time.
The efficiency of the Germans was much better than that of the glorious commies.

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>>75731411
actually, russia boasted that the naval fortress, port arthur, equaled to SIX sevastopol, which took britain and france a year to capture during the crimean war. japan singlehandedly captured the stronghold within 8 months. we're literally fortress killer, not to mention singapore.

>Military writers they say that on their own strength Port Arthur equated 6 Sevastopol. And now, little, until all of the time despised, Japan in eight months seizes this stronghold, after Britain and France together a whole year to take the 1st of Sevastopol.
http://survincity.com/2013/08/the-fall-of-port-arthur/

>>75731559
>They have no value for human life and think just overrunning positions for "victory" is always the best strategy no matter the cost.
when you disprove this fact instead of just getting angry about it, then we will talk

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>>75731603
>I think op's point was the Red Army was hilariously inefficient

i think OPs point was to troll the shit out of russians because he feels inferiour to them as russians were walking down his streets with beatiful females and he was stuck with his incestoid sister.

>"It doesn't matter if you knocked me out, I hit you more, that means i won the fight"

Results speak louder

>>75731618
butthurt american who also lost a war despite higher k/d ratio
war isn't team death match niggers

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>>75731613
>japan singlehandedly captured the stronghold within 8 months.

>the shit felt into own lap because russians failed to orginize the reinforces and defenders just left after there was not tactical or strategical point to keep the town anymore.

most ironic abour russians at that time were their royal leading admirals and generals when second and third ranks literally beat the shi out of japanese at each encouters they had with japanese.

>>75722029
Red army mostly consisted of conscripts who never held a rifle and they fought against german professionals.

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>>75731720
port arthur was isolated because the IJN ruled the waves

>Throw people at a country until you win
Truly the soviets were masters of warfare

>>75731829
>port arthur was isolated

it was not. russians went in and out however they liked until the last 2 weeks. the shit failed when russian generals wasted time on orginizind masside rusting fleet trought half of the world instead to orginize the reinforces on land.

>>75731862
>throw bombs in a country until you win
>lose and get cancer

truly americans are the masters of warfare

>>75722322
this is accurate

>>75722514
>>75722527
>>75722708
>>75725966
there is nothing greater in the universe than the anti-russian butthurt on /int/

>>75722029
History is written by the victor.
That's why Kursk battle is a known thing and this isn't. That's why London bombings are a bad thing, but Tokyo bombings ain't. That's why Germany-made genocide is a thing yet the Ruskie-made is not.

>>75725966
>better equipped
Early on, they were on par with most other sides. Later on, when the US came, it was them who were the best equipped.
>tanks
Pretty solid, but not really better than what the Allies had. Panzer 4 (latest ver.) were pretty good, kinda on par wit hthe early T-34, but instead they opted for Tigers - superior design but costly to manufacture and thus insufficient in numbers against massed waves of soviet tanks.
Shermans were complete shit.
>better trained
Arguably. They "struggled" (given the situation) in Poland and advanced thru France and (early on) USSR because their armies were in disarray. They were better commanded for sure.

>>75731613
>not to mention singapore
That was pretty funny.

>>75732226
>>75731660
>>75731494
how to spot the russian NEET

>>75722221
>>75722222

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>>75725018

>>75722708
> Russians are just shit at war
Yep, that's why we have biggest cunt in the world and had our own empire

>>75722199
>>75722029
If you have enough people...

>>75722708
Not you to say that, also Japan can shut up too with 1905 war. Only good at war are Great Britain (they always win) and Russia (fighting spirit).

>>75733458
>Russia (fighting spirit).
More like NKVD holding gun to the head.

>>75733479
NKVD is not main motivation. But enemy who comes to kill you and your family and take your land are.

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>>75733395
>biggest cunt in the world
>70% of it is empty
>had our own empire
>had
fuck off ivan

>>75733514
You are not even real country. Thief jew reptiloid bloodsucker alien. yeah

>>75733511
But what if your dear rulers does the same?
Stalin killed more Russians than Germans would ever dream to. He completely gutted russia from everything. He created the Homo Sovieticus.

Yet he was praised and people died for him... Oh wait, we all know it didn't really happen, masses of Russians were send by force, not because they wanted to die for their motherland, they had a fucking gun pointed to their head, if they didn't die on the front, they would die anyway.

Russian history is full of it. You even had a special "police" during Muscovy times.

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>>75733545
>implying israel isn't the 51th state of the USA
>the greatest empire of the 20th and 21th centuries
>owned by the joos
stay mad ivan

>>75733584
Hei Russia was agrarian country filled uneducated peasants, who only Tsar as supreme ruler and praise him like a japs their emperor.

Also not you say about shit this country. Bring some equal.

>>75733666
Begone evil reptilian alien you are not welcome here with satan tripls.

>>75733666
>666
Holy shit jew showed his true face.

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>>75733702
>>75733725

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>>75731885
What are you smoking mr.gopnik?

IJN blockaded arthur very effectively and the garrison there almost starved before surrendering to Japanese forces only moments before the reinforcements arrived and the conflict escalated.

There's a bloody reason why the world laughed at Russia and Nicky after that.

>>75733666
this gypsy fuckin mad

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>>75733736
Ra is coming for you reptiloid.

>>75733766
Yeah that war was a shit and shame.

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>>75722708
>Strength: 627 000
>Casualties and losses: 700 544
Western historical statistics in a nutshell. I wonder how we managed to keep existing after half the population was personally executed by Stalin and another half died from german bullets. Some kind of communist magic was involved, for sure.

>>75734235
+20 roubles into your account

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>all this russian butthurt
Daily reminder that russians are subhumans.

>>75734332
More than usual. Thanks

>>75733673
But we were always better and more prosperous than you.

Even before the fall of PLC, Russians were runing away to Poland for better life.

>>75722029
>Hovhannes Bagramyan

A R M E N I A
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Hey Russian bros, don't let the butthurt belt turn us against each other

>>75735957
>2017
>listening buttheartbelt
Don't mind. Love you German.

>>75733427
then you send them to work producing things and pick those of the bunch who will make good soldiers

>>75736041
Thank you, friend
I really appreciate that despite our difficult history, there is no bad blood between our countries

>>75731345
They don't need to, the Germans are exterminating themselves.

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If Germany was so good at war and Russia so bad, how come Nazis got their shit pushed in?

>>75736820
we were weakend by brave Polish Hussars

>>75736860
ah right, how could i forget

>>75735957
Proxy katsap. Or red germ.

>>75737002
To be honest, I feel really bad about Ukraine
You guys cut all ties with Russia, thinking that EU/NATO would take you with open arms.

>>75737049
>You guys cut all ties with Russia
2/3rd of them did

>>75731519
you are so wrong....
>dat merican flag
oh never mind

>Claim Russians won bc muh human wave horde attacks
>literally feel pride in your chosen side losing against ww1 tier tactics

Isn't it even more embarrassing claiming the nazis lost against a roving band of mongoloids than an actually competent army?

>>75737002
he is, he doesn't even hide it.

he considers himself "german with russian ancestry" lmao

>>75731613
"You" aren't anything, you mentally ill yank faggot

>>75722029
>That flag
Do Latvians or whatever really believe they would've been treated better under the Germans?

>>75742083
So a nice way of saying Russian rape baby

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>>75722029
Russians will win the fight for the world. The future is Russian.

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>>75722073
>green outfits in a snowy region