Nordcucks

>>75578616
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Finns

>>75578616
Russian warriors destroyed both.

>>75578667
>traditionally pursued slash-and-burn agriculture, a method used for turning forests into farmlands
True Anglos in denial

Vikhangz are trash
ViKINGS are superior

>>75578616
wrong
the islands of estonia should be vikang/khan mix
t. we got crusaded in the 13th century because of them

>>75578711
t. Celt pretending to be a pure blooded Anglo

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Khanz obviously

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>>75579198

It's time for conquest, my brethren

>>75578616
>swedes
>vikings

(You)

>>75579290
Swedes, Geats and Gutes. Remind me again what your tribe was called?

>>75578667
My ancestors :)

t. part forest Finn

>>75579109
It was a joke you mongoloid

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>>75578667
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Finns
>Languages: Norwegian, Swedish
>formerly Finnish

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>>75579757
It didn't make me laugh

>>75578616
they are all mongols but in denial because of memes about pure aryans.

>>75579290
I know this is bait but i will disprove it anyway
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(860)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grobiņa

Also, Gardar Svavarson was the first norse man to live in Iceland;-)

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>>75580235
Careful now. Please be respectful of Finnish genetics and culture.

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>>75579275
We'll leave the rest of east-Asia for you, Tanaka

>>75578616
>sweden
>viking

pick one

>>75580868
oh just the usual swedish history forgery

Funny how fag lil norweigans think that they had better vikings when all of the heroes came from sweden xD
L2rbeowulf u lill fags

>>75582282
(You)
>>75581806
>>75580868

You're jealous of our history;-)

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>>75580868
>m.wikipedia

>>75584337
The second wikipedia article even has archelogical evidence

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>thread about Nordics vs Finns
>it almost instantly turns into Swedes and Norwegians denying eachother being Vikings

Why are Norwegians always so butthurt about Swedes being vikings? Is it because they have so little history of their own that the notion of sharing the one thing they have with us becomes so unthinkable?

Regardless, norrbaggar, there are more rune stones in Sweden depicting Viking exploits than there are in Norway.

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>>75578616
There is no contest.

>>75580868
>stayed there for a winter
>"first norse man to live in iceland"

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>>75578692
this
no one can beat a fucking russian

it doesnt matter who were the vikings because they were pussies. vikangs never settled on finnish coast because they feared the shaman and knew that the finn knew no mercy towards norseman

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>>75591509
braise Ukko :DD

lmao fucking white people caring about their ancestors an shit.

>>75591801
yeah i bet you dont even know your dad

>>75578692

I wouldn't say that

>>75578616
>vikings beat mogols at sea battle
>mogols beat vikings on land
bullshit map though finns=/=full mogol

>>75591842
Savage.

>>75580868
>norse

meant norwegian in the old days you fucking imbesil

>>75592145

Yes we're one of the "whitest" nations in world

>>75586395
rurik was a finn

>>75592201
>We wuz norse and shit
No, it was one of many words collectively describing people from scandinavia
>>75594381
He was a mix between kven and norse. His mother language was norse

>>75594586
so?

>>75591855
Because finns lost every war against Russia

>>75594686
>He wasn't a finn, he was a kven
>He wasn't even fully kven
>He spoke norse and lived with norse costums
You taking pride in Rurik is really stretching it

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>>75594748
Yet here we stand, independent. Must really grind your gears eh?

>>75594748
Swedish vikings conquered large slavic tribes (all those slavs agreeing voluntarily to be ruled by swedes is obviously a myth)

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>>75594817
Protip
>kvens are ethnically finns

>>75594925
Then those other 2 points still apply

>>75594978
Protip
>Languages
Kven/Finnish, Norwegian

Love this crazy /int/ meme.

Brotip coastal Balts and Finns were also "vikings" (hey guess what it's a profession meaning basically, not an ethnicity).

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>>75595132
tru dat

>>75594890
>>75594817
Varangian conquest was probably just a myth. Not a single Rurikid has Germanic Y-DNA, just Finnic or Slavic.

>>75595132
Swedish Vikings settled in Runö, Saarema and Aiboland. It's possible that these "Estonian" Vikings were really just Swedes

>>75595337
This.

>>75595382
Karelians destroyed your capital, so Finnics obviously knew seafaring.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillage_of_Sigtuna

>>75595337
Do you have any evidence that the Varangians founded the Kievan Rus? Remember, we know that Swedish Vikings travelled down the Volga and settled all over Russia. It seems likely they played a part in uniting all the Slavic and Finnic tribes there. If Rurik's descendants didn't have Germanic DNA (how would you even know this?) it's probably because they mixed with locals as generations went on

>>75595450
no they lived in huts made of pinecones and shit and ate berries.
t. caj göran cuckström

>>75595540
protip
>rurik was a finn

>>75595450
>1187
After the Viking age ended and we had become christian. By then we'd have plenty of time to settle the eastern lands. No doubt Finns learned seafaring from us

>>75595549
The Romans described you as an incredibly simple people that slept on dirt and only had tools made from bone. Any technology you had during the Viking age and Middle Ages would've come from us or the Russians

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>>75595612
yeah cos only swedes invented boats

>>75595704
Have archeologists ever found any Finnish boats from the dark ages? Because they've found Scandinavians boats.

Just saying.

>>75595540
>. If Rurik's descendants didn't have Germanic DNA (how would you even know this?)
You're really new to this site aren't you?

>it's probably because they mixed with locals as generations went on
Rurik's ydna is Finnish, meaning his paternal lineage is Finnish.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/rurikid/

>>75595540

Vikings in Russia did leave Germanic Y-DNA (I1-types in particular) along the Volga route. But it isn't found in Russian old nobility (and dozens have tested).

>>75595684
Protip
>Fenni seems to have been a form of the proto-Germanic word *fanþian-, denoting "wanderers" or "hunting folk".
>This description is of a lifestyle much more primitive than that of the medieval Sami, who were pastoralists living off herds of reindeer and inhabiting sophisticated tents of deer-hide. But the archaeological evidence suggests that the proto-Sami and Proto-Finns had a lifestyle more akin to Tacitus' description.

>implying that nerd even came here and just wrote what he heard from some pleb scout

>>75595837
How about this: Rurik was a Finn that was taken as a thrall at a young age and then raised a Viking

OR Rurik was some random Finnic chieftan in the area and made himself king and pretended to be a Viking to gain credibility because there were already a bunch of Viking kings in Russia

>>75595065
Are you claiming rurik spoke norwegian? Are you trolling or just retarded?

>>75595987
The Baltic ruling family of Geminids and Rurik had a common ancestor " 2200 years back" meaning they were probably all from ancient families of chiefs in that region.

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Finnics >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vikangs, wh*tes

>>75595987

Tbh he could have lived in Svealand and his ancestors been germanized 1000 years before he went to Russia but it's fun to meme.

>>75596107
We're better than your country at hockey;-)

>>75595784
Protip
>Moving on the water has been important for many thousands of years to Finnish ancestors. Waterways have always been part of the Finno-Ugric life. The location of the Finnish-Ugrian languages is controversial, but with certainty at least the speakers of the Cantonese language form were firmly in the sea and also moved by the sea. Baltic Finns developed in the Baltic Sea, and they also knew early in the White Sea. The Sámi have been in contact with the Arctic Ocean and the Norwegian Sea.

>The waterways have been through history, up to the 19th century, the most important transport route in Finland and many other parts of the Baltic Sea.

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WE WUZ BYZANTINES N SHIET

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>>75578616

>>75596092
No he spoke old norse, not some modern cuck shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland

>A DNA study conducted on the 5,000-year-old skeletal remains of three Middle Neolithic seal hunters from Gotland showed that they were related to modern-day Finns

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>>75596092
What im really claiming is that kvens were finns and thats a fact.

>>75596324
The point being that Finns obviously had to sail to Gotland. And they did so atleast 5000 years ago

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>>75596324
>>75596404

>>75596404
it wouldn't be much of surprise since finnics have been on these shores for like 10000 years...

not we wuzing, but come on, 5000 years to build a ship and sail to götland? i would imagine this is very likely

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Gagarin
>The princes Gagarin are a cadet line of the House of Rurik. They are descendants of Yaroslav I the Wise, himself a son of Vladimir the Great also known as St Vladimir, the Christianiser of Russia, and his wife Ingegerd Olofsdotter, daughter of the Swedish king Olof Skötkonung.
N1c1'D

>>75596771
She got FINN'D

>>75595987
>>75596174
Rurik probably never existed and Varangian conquest probably never happened, since the Primary Chronicle was written 300 years after his alleged death.

>>75595132
i'm reading olaf tryggvason's saga and he was captured by estonian vikings as a child when his mother tried to hide him in russia. the estonians treated him as their own so thanks for that

>>75597013
So what's the final verdict? Did the Kievan Rus unite itself or was it Vikings?

rurik itself is a norse name you wewuzzing finngols, fucking snorri sturlasson mentions petty-kings in norway called rurik, with different variations (rorek for example)

helgi of holmgard too was pretty important, same with askold/ dir, not just rurik

>>75597235
Yeshua is a Hebrew name. It doesn't imply the character Jesus was real.

>>75597235
so? People in norway name their sons frodo,bilbo and mohammed.

>>75578616
Swedes weren't vikings. It was Danes and Norwegians (who are also Danes).

>>75597514
ebin mene

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i just came here to post this i don't actually know anything about rurik or haplomemes but i find this entertaining lmao

>>75597322
it means, as his name suggests, that he came from a norse dominated area. the origin of the rus', roslagen, is a pretty good candidate for his place of origin, because it's here most norse varangians came from. that's how russia got its fucking name, and thats why finngols call sweden "ruotsi", because of the rus'.

haplomemes means jackshit, because it only implies some of his ancestors were finngols. william the conqueror descended directly from a dane/ norwegian, does it make him a dane/ norwegian?

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Swedes are sl*vs

>>75597652
does a somalian become ethnically scandi when he lands there?

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>>75597689
a few adjustments, preben

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>>75597322
>People in norway name their sons frodo,bilbo and mohammed.

>>75597652
>haplomemes means jackshit
Genetics mean more than a chronicle written 300 years after the fact. Give you head a shake.

>>75597925
>you head
your* head

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>>75597845
Not so fast

>>75597953
Have some fodder for linguistic speculation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxolani

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>>75597987
ahem

>>75597987
>>75598048
so either the vikangz were just swedes or there were no vikangz at all and history is a lie

quite the situation we've gotten ourselves into

>>75598138
Vikings are a meme

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>>75597987
>Tfw from västergötland
>Tfw when vikang

>>75598249
Göteborg was founded by Dutchmen. You're a Netherlander larping as a Viking

Facts: Rurik undeniably had finnish blood, but he also undeniably had norse blood. But he spoke a norse dialect and had norse costums

>>75598292
I'm from the northeast and not gothenburg. My ancestors set their boats in lake Vänern and travelled down Göta älv to raid in england

>>75597652
The Rus obviously existed, but there is no definitive proof Rurik ever did. This would mean that the founding dynasty of Kievan Rus weren't Scandinavian, but indeed Finnic and to a lesser degree Slavic, as Y-DNA would suggest, and that the Varangian origin story is just a myth made up by the writers of the Primary Chronicle.

>>75598455
lmao

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This is the true Nordic, balkanization is upon us

>>75598481
Not a single Rurikid has Germanic Y-DNA, so it's not at all improbable. The Rus' obviously came here to trade, but there's no proof they had any part in the founding of the Rurikid Dynasty and Kievan Rus.

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>>75598517
>Tfw dutch
>Tfw my ancestors won against the UK at sea and occupied their country
Feels good man

>>75592145
Viking era ended in 1066 numbnut

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>>75598517
there were portugese traders in bergen for a while

>>75598683
All of Småland is actually 100% pure swedish. The map needs to change that to be accurate

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>>75598826

>>75599021
Top tier meme

>>75599021
Well the current king of Sweden is French so I think Stockholm should be considered pretty much French too

Has anyone introduced haplogroup autism yet? If not, here I go~

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/Map_haplogroups.jpg

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>>75599202
Are we living a lie? Future king of Denmark is half French and his children are half Australian (English/Scottish I suppose)

>>75599021
Can you paint russia in a combination of vikangs and khanz. Seeing as they're rapebabies of both

>>75578616
Why don't both put aside their differences and work together, so as to dominate both land and sea?

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>>75599748

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>>75597322

>>75597514
we ain't danes you fucking german pig

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>>75598683

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>>75595784
The oldest fishing net in the world is found in finnish coast.

Please, all swedes who have this delusion of being something superior or that the people living east to you were just rootless barbarians, do your fucking research, i've had to explain countless times about these simple pre-historical facts to idiots who think too much of their people.

>ITT : nothern autism

>>75602857
I just wish they'd keep it to one thread

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>>75602738

the finn is rightful swedish

>>75594817
Typical Swede mindset, anyone can be Swedish if they just live in Sweden and speak Swedish. Muhammed, Rurik Khan, anyone.

>>75604779

wherever there are Swedish voices singing to God, there are Swedes

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>>75596404
Not to mention the shoreline was further than it is today. Pic sort of but not really related.

>>75578692
>Never heard of the Varangians

>>75596404
>>75596324
interesting. the finnish word for mother is äiti which is allegedly borrowed from old gothic. why this happened and dominated over the ural rooted emä/emo is bit of a mystery but finns sailing to gotland is a connection aye.

>>75579656
Pretty sure they were just called Northmen wherever they went. Even you call them norrmän.

>>75604942
Doesn't emä mean something like...mother of a swine?

I do love how based Finnish has some proto-Germanic words like Kuningas

>>75597069
>So what's the final verdict? Did the Kievan Rus unite itself or was it Vikings?
Founded by Kiev Poles

>>75595784
Complete ones? No, we burned our boats. There are numerous remains of burned boats. How can you tell? Well for example the Yliskylä site had over 800 boat nails, enough for a ship around 15 m. This was late merovingian times.

I like what this thread turned into.

>wake up
>see this thread is up

Never change guys, never change.

>>75604779
He had swedish blood in him as well.

>>75610627
so you'll go with one drop rule? are swedes the niggers of europe?

>>75610801
>He wasn't finn, he was kven
>He wasn't even fully kven
>He had no finno-ugric costums and didn't speak a finno-ugric language
The nigger here is clearly you

>>75600100
>no KARELIANZ
Shit map.

>>75610627
You have no proof. What we do know is that his paternal line was 100% Finnic.
>>75612054
You can't prove this, either.

>>75604942
Goth girls loved Finnic sperm

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>>75599748
No they aren't, most Russians have no Scandinavian genes.

>>75614067
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-28551.html

>>75596255
BIG

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Svear

>>75614187
>Goth women take Finnic seed
>T- This be a Germanic haplogroup now
K E K
Also, your thread doesn't prove a thing. We know that he had a Finnic paternal line, and nothing in that thread proves otherwise. The Germanicist in his butthurt just falsely purports it to be Germanic.

>>75614187
>are of R1a and R1b haplogroups typical for Slavic, Germanic and Celtic peoples.
He neglected to mention that said R1a is Slavic R1a-M558, and not a single verified Rurikid has R1b.