/fug/ - Finno-Ugric / Uralic

Kivistä verinen oli vävyn käsi.
Kividest verine oli väi käsi.
Kövektől véres volt veje keze.

It's kind of sad how on the other hand Estonian has retained many older Finnic words (emä etc.) but it also has been filled with Germanic loanwords.

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I am the oppressor of finns and the pampering of eestis.

>>75531739
t: in our language the word mother is borrowed from proto-germanic.

>>75531739
Yes, but all living languages are in a constant change. At least we still have a lot in common, so let's never forget that!

>>75531922
Is 'emä' used in Finnish dialects? And it is part of words like 'emäntä' etc.

Japan is Finno-Ugric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH1C-LZ57K4

>>75531788
that man on the picture is a well-known norwegian satanist, he kills people and burns churches

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>>75532135
Emä usually means the mother of a piglet or an animal.

It's fucking 8 degrees outside and it's June. What the nigger?

>>75534298
summer begins in late June
this is common knowledge

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>>75534391
and it ends in early july. gotta drink

>>75534298
>june
>8°
i wanna live in estonia now!

There's a new unknown soldier remake coming.

Do estonians know about unknown soldier?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu9Q2ZHfROM

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>>75534689
The book the film's based on is translated to Estonian.

>>75534873
>>75534689
No idea where this is
>>75534589
Are you sad and lonely enough? Everyone here are sad and lonely

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>>75531206
Where do I find her

>>75535319
>Seto
Töp kek mate

Also all other FUGs but Estonians, Finns and Hungarians are dead. Russia is to blame

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The girl on top of the thread is an Udmurt. There are over 500 000 Udmurts, so I woudn't say that they're dead. But yeah, Udmurtia is part of Russia, that's not good. But for a Russian /fug/ Udmurts are in pretty decent situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u_fgnORKHg

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>>75535764

>>75534919

>Are you sad and lonely enough? Everyone here are sad and lonely
i even more want to live in estonia now!

Free the finns!

>>75531206
I am part forest Finn

>>75539364
I am finnish

>>75531206
No Hungarians here?

>>75539912
Are you finnugor?

>>75535764
>>75535992
Friendly reminder she's married to a Finnish man

>>75534919
>sad and lonely
More like depressed and antisocial. Being sad requires emotions which Estonians do not have. And by saying we're lonely are you actually trying to imply that we even want to interact with other humans?

>>75540332
BFM (Big Finnish Mulkku)

>>75531206
>Ooga booga
Finno-ugrics are siberian snow-niggers.

>>75540332
Good. Fugs should breed with their own kind

>>75531739
All Finnic languages are littered with loanwords.
Older ones, from Indo-Iranian, Proto-Germanic, Proto-Baltic are shared by all, with some exceptions, of course.
Examples: sõsar/sisar, kirves, kaula/kael are all Baltic loanwords.

There is a newer, even bigger wave of loans that is different in the Finnic languages

It is Swedish in Finnish
It is German (both Low and High) in Estonian
It is Latvian in Livonian
It is Russian in Votic, Izhorian, Veps, Karelian

Estonian of course also has Latvian, Swedish, and Russian loans, but the amount is much smaller than German loans.

It's hard to say which language has more loanwords, Estonian, or Finnish.
Finnish has weird stuff like "uniooni", but on the other hand the word "pot" in Estonian is borrowed from Middle Low German ("pott") [which is more common in Finnish, "ruukku" or "pata"? The first one is a Swedish loan. We have "pada" in Estonian but it's rare]

>>75540332
I know nothing about that, maybe you are mistaking her for someone else? But if she is indeed married to a Finn then I'm happy about that! I am very pro inter-Finno-Ugric marriages!

>>75540669
And some words were memed into existance by our linguists to modernise our language in the early 20th century.

>>75535992
islander scum

>>75540800
Yeah, that's a really interesting part of the history of Estonian.

We also say "hea" and "rääkima", and not "hää" and "rääkima", or "hea" and "reakima". No idea why only that sound change is in the standard language and only in monosyllabic words.
Dialects had "kiel", "kuok", "moa" or "mua", like in Finnish (Finnish doesn't have that last change, but Karelian does, afaik)

Good afternoon brothers

>>75540920
sä oot niin ihana

>/fug/
>puhuu englantia

>>75541038
meil ei ole ühist keelt

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>>75540951

>>75541068
>mis on vene keel

>>75541120
soomlased ja ungarlased ei oska
ülejäänud soomeugrilased kõik oskavad (noored eestlased eriti ei oskagi enam)

There are 502 words reconstructed to the Uralic protolanguage. Happy learning:

http://www.uralonet.nytud.hu/search.cgi?offset=1

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>Finns and Estonians still have conscription

>>75540190
FinnIgor!

No, I'm not

>>75541730
Open borders, globalism and diversity for all, Allahu akbar!

>>75541730
try living next to r*ssia

>>75540332
She's married to Roobert Vaigla who is indeed Estonian

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Knocked out a 40yo drunk today. AMA

Hello brothers and sisters

>>75546877
Did it feel good?

>>75547276
Yes, incredibly. I hated that faggot

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>>75547105
>A Sw*de

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>>75547395
>tfw partly sw*de and partly f*nn

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>>75547348
Well that's good then.

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It's currently 4 degrees outside lol

>>75547477
We have snow here in kiruna

>>75541879
Frankly, any anarchist with a lick of sense opposes Islam and Islamic culture since it's based on oppression, discriminates women, LGBT people etc.

The idea of a not having borders already works in the European Union, and it's working well, so she isn't wrong. However, it's necessary that we share advanced cultural values and put human rights first and demand that everyone accepts them who lives here. Which the EU doesn't do well, and ultimately it will be its downfall.

>>75543143
You weren't even in the USSR for half a century, why are you so butthurt? We were, and it was shitty beyond words, yet you don't see us being turbo nationalists. Usually the more nationalist a nation is, the bigger shithole it is.

>>75547418
It was my mum's ex bf. She moved out but he got angry and came smashing on her door. She phoned me, I drove there and told him to GTFO. I've been doing Muay Thai for 2 years now, but apparently he didn't know that. My mum got out too and he tried to slap her so I fucking went berserk on him. Dude ended up looking pretty fucked up. I dragged him out onto the street and called the cops. They arrested him and now he is going back to jail hopefully

>>75547520
I was referring to conscription, not nationalism or anything else that was mentioned in the picture I didn't click.

Conscription is based af tbqh. It actually turns boys into men

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I was reading about the horrible things Sweden did to your noble peoples and countries... I'm so fucking sorry, I can't apologize enough.

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>>75547653
>getting knocked the fuck out by the wive's son

At least he isn't coming back.

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>>75547936
Us fucking ur gf/sister/mom should be a sound punishment

>>75547653
Well done, friend.

>>75548240
Thx
>>75548000
If he does come back I'll kill him

>>75548205
Lol I remember this. Good post

>>75540800
>uniooni
It's unioni
>pot
potta means potty
ruukku is probably more common, it brings to mind more like a flower pot, pata is like the kind of big pot you make food in (and also the spades in the card suite)

>>75548292
Don't get yourself in prison because of scum. Just break his arms if he touches you or your mom.

>>75548470
Well I didn't mean I'd literally kill him, more like fuck him up

>>75548527
good

>>75547520
>You weren't even in the USSR for half a century, why are you so butthurt? We were
Are these alternative facts?

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fug not invited

>>75550203
Is he the finnish king?

MONGOL SUBHUMANS

>>75550203
nordicists out

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>>75550256
next kekkonen
he's up for his 2nd term and has 62% rate while the 2nd before is at 12%

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>>75550416
what's wrong with it? we're still mongols in blood

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>>75550654
Is that man there?

>>75550654
This general is for proud finno-ugrics, I don't want scandies or wannabe-scandies here.

>>75550778
ime munaa

>>75550843

>>75534632

>>75550720
I hope not. Otherwise there would've any food left

>>75550720

The jytky dude? Yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaPU79MzlfM

>>75550937
no jos ootte niin suomalais-ugrilaisia miks vitussa puhutte englantia täällä?
melko rinkirunkku meno täällä näyttäs olevan tai sitte vaan sä. otatkohan vähän turhan vakavasti tämän?

mee ulos joskus :DDDDD

>>75550957
>I hope not. Otherwise there would've any food lef
lol
Is he a big eater?
>>75550973
What is he saying?

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>>75551022
>no jos ootte niin suomalais-ugrilaisia miks vitussa puhutte englantia täällä?

>suomalaiset, virolaiset ja unkarilaiset puhuvat samaa kieltä

>>75551028

He called the landslide of votes the PS got a huge jytky and it became a meme for a while.

>>75547417
Don't be sad! As you say youself, you are partly Finn. When you marry a Finno-Ugric girl, you will have Finno-Ugric kids, and when they have their own Finno-Ugric kids, other people will forget that you ever had any Swedish blood in you. It's not the end of the rope yet!

>>75531206
Russian hair, she is not pure Finno-Ugric.

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The Finno-Ugric peoples are ought to be ruled by the Finns, as they supposedly hold the most political and financial power, but they (the FUG's in the east at least) are ruled by the Russians instead

How does this make you feel?

>>75552834
Russians are Finno-Ugric too.

I love pucci

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>>75552626
Relax, she's an udmurt.

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>>75553223
Have you ever tried to get pussy from finnish girls?

>>75554140
Udmurts = Slavic colonists + Finno-Ugrians

I love all Finno-Ugrians. You are my forest dwellers.

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>>75554650
Ty we just love forests ^_^

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>>75554650
<3___<3

Meil on elu keset metsa:

https://youtu.be/0duVNvrdB18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Hilbd_jMg

let's just relax

>>75531206
My mother in law is Tver Karelian. She taught me Karelian swear word - Myana Moona

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>>75554650
B-but we live on a steppe, and had always did

>>75559913
yeah so you are the mystical steppe dwellers and we are the mystical forest dwellers.

>>75540428
BFG (Big Finnis Gog)

I think the steppe-dwellers weren't so much steppe-dwellers when they still lived together with their brothers khantys and mansis. But that was a long time ago... Anyway, szeretem a magyarokat és a magyar kulturáját. Az észetk és a finneknek a testvéreink vagytok és Isten áldjon minden magyar embert!

i tried to sleep but woke up again. drinking for the second day after a half-year pause. feel so good and alive, haven't felt so good for a long-long time. i have to go back to sleep but instead i'd like to go out in the woods and make love to all the forest elves that are living behind my house instead. definitely gonna get myself drunk tomorrow again. maybe i'll go to ride a motorcycle then tomorrow night too.

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>>75561661
Elves are fictional beings and therefore impossible to make love to.

>>75562404
Aren't Swedes pretty much elves? Tall, blonde, arrogant and think themselves superior to other races. They're just missing the ears

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>>75540669
>from Indo-Iranian
Karjala is probably from pre-proto-Aryan as well.

Old Persian: ?? (kāra, “people of war, army”)
Middle Persian: [script needed] (kārčār, “battle”)
Persianکارزار (kārzār, “field of battle,battle”)

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>>75550203
>>75550654
>>75551022
Fennoswedes are rootless and don't belong anywhere, that is why they want to force their Nordist pseudoidentity down everybody's throats.

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>>75560258
Excellent post <3

wakey wakey my finnic subjects.

>>75566718
ijje annje, daaroe-ålma...

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Hm?

>>75563408
Perkele is also a loanword.

>>75568608
Yes from baltics perkons/perkunas but don't tell the unknown finns, they will be mad and scream no PERKELE IS GENUINE FINNISH WORD, FROM MUH 10K YEARS AGO

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>>75568608

>>75568530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKKu1UaoTro

>>75540669
>Finnish has weird stuff like "uniooni", but on the other hand the word "pot" in Estonian is borrowed from Middle Low German ("pott") [which is more common in Finnish, "ruukku" or "pata"? The first one is a Swedish loan. We have "pada" in Estonian but it's rare]

'Pata' is certainly a Finno-Ugric word:

http://www.uralonet.nytud.hu/eintrag.cgi?locale=en_GB

>>75572098
Wow, catchy tune.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F147FfEW9II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNHZce1TCa8

Estonian is the best sounding /fug/ language desu

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>>75574635
Could you translate the phrase "Living fish swims under the water", on the basis of the Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian examples at the beginning of the thread, to Saami language? Doesn't matter if it sounds totally different than the other examples, let's make this phrase a Finno-Ugric meme.

And if anybody is competent in other Uralic languages, feel free to give that phrase a shot in your language aswell!

>>75577009
jielije guelie veasodh vuelelen tjaetsie

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Karen is part chink too so she probably belongs here.

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>>75577453
That is awsome, thanks!

Pic related. A Saami-Estonian family in traditional clothing. The girl finished school in Ohcejohka. The article from which that photo was taken from was published in 2015.

How should we call fellow fug posters? Fuggers (:DDDDD)?

>>75578720
Damn, I wasn't even aware that you had Samis in Estonia. Interesting

>>75554399
Finnish girls don't like estonian men.

This thread is too silent.

>>75583778
That's because Finns and Hungarians are hanging out in their own threads

>>75583907
Its because its not filled faggots, also not friday.

>>75584130
>not friday
???

hello forest and tundra friends

>>75584501
Hello swamp friend

>>75583907
Swedes don't belong here.

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>>75585163
>Swedes
Finland, I...

>>75581425
The man/father in that photo is Saami. The mother is Estonian. And the family stays mostly in Finland but during summer makes trips to Estonia too, as I understood from the article I read about them.

>>75583071
Wasn't there lately some rumour about Finnish women raping drunk Estonian men in Tallinn or something along the lines?

>>75585627
women can't rape men

Arja Saijonmaa - Uraliin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPQHzlVX0BE

This is not the war song which has same name.

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>>75585627
idk, haven't heard

>>75585662
Of course they can. Are you retarded?

>>75585841
Well I guess they could shove a dildo up the men's ass but they can't rape men conventionally, as in benis in bagina

>>75585885
If you have erection, it doesn't mean that it depends on situation. And brains can say no during body say yes. Also erection spike is possible.

>>75586083
Good point. I imagine a woman could force a man to take loads of viagra or something but how often does that happen?

>>75586214
Pretty rare. Sometimes I have heard that in Zimbabwe women rape men with condom and stole their semen.

>>75586483
raped*

I hate everyone. I hate Slavs, I hate Austrians, I hate you snowniggers, and I hate ourselves too.

Why won't somebody nuke this planet already, there's no point carrying on through this endless suffering and hatred. Life sucks donkey balls, and if you disagree, you probably live in some welfare country where everything is shoved under your arse. Fuck this shit. Fuck fuck fuck.

>>75586923
I disagree

How do I get a finno-urgic gf ?

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>>75587113
You don't.

>>75587024
Why?

>>75587113
You buy one on the internet, Hungarian girls in particular are cheap turbo sluts. They'll have sex with anything, as longs as the price is right. Now shoo.

>>75586923
I agree. I wish I was dead.

>>75534689
That is a pretty racist trailer

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Uh oh I got drunk again.

>>75587978
you have a alchol porblem's?

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>>75588084
yes, when the booze ends räh kjäh

>>75587978
it's socialy acceptable to drink on fridays

>>75588337
But when I do it alone?

>>75588527
Why would drink alone? The fun part is getting drunk with your buddies

>>75588585
normie swede. that's two strikes.

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>>75588684

>>75588684
He questioned the meaningless of existence. I bet he even has friend, the sick fuck.
It's the third strike. He's out.

>>75588585
>The fun part is getting drunk with your buddies
>drinking for fun
what the /fug/, Sweden

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>>75588894
How do you know that existence is meaningless? What meaning should existance have? I think the meaning of life is what we make it.

Wiping out humanity is counterproductive to finding answers to these types of questions. As far as we know Earth is the only planet with sentient life on it, so might be the universe's only hope of understanding itself

>>75589024
>How do you know that existence is meaningless?
Evolution is entirely random, has no purpose. No meaning. Eat, grow, breed, die. The endless cycle. Individual specimens never matter. Only the species as a whole, and even then, only to us, humans, conscious beings, with superfluous emotional attachments to objects and entities, because we're prone to anthropomorphizing organisms.

>What meaning should existance have?
As individuals or as the species?
I cannot give you an answer, since there is none. There's no meaning. Pondering about this is a circular thought process. It goes nowhere.

>I think the meaning of life is what we make it.
If it lessens your existential anxiety. It matters little. You'll die. I'll die. Everyone dies. Then they'll forget about us.
The only question is, how long can humanity hold out. A hundred years? A thousand? It'll end in death eventually, no matter how far we try running from our fate. Not even space travel will save us. The universe is infinitely big and we're small. The chances of being wiped out by random catastrophic events are very high.

>Wiping out humanity is counterproductive to finding answers to these types of questions.
Not at all. No humans, no questions. Only silence. Peace.

>As far as we know Earth is the only planet with sentient life on it, so might be the universe's only hope of understanding itself
The universe isn't sentient. Understanding requires an orderly mind. The cosmos by definition is wildly chaotic. Incompatible with the human mind. Trying to understand leads to madness. The answers will always elude you.

>>75590074
There is literaly no reason to kill yourself or the rest of humanity then. I used to have thoughts like these that plagued my mind until a friend said to me "if nothing matters then what the fuck is the point in crying about it?". That has always stuck with me because he was right, the only goal we really have in life is to enjoy ourselves to the fullest and it's pointless to go around being depressed about your inevitable death

>The universe isn't sentient
We ARE the universe. And thus the universe is sentient.

Also, you can't know for sure that death is permanent. Even if you aren't a religious person, you can think of it scientificaly. If you're dead for an infinite amount of time, that means there's also an infinite chance of your consciousness to suddenly pop back into existance. It might sound far fetched but you never know what might happen.

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>>75590358
People can always try to take a """neutral""" external point of view in which things are affected by them as little as possible and then cry about how their lives are meaningless.
That only makes them weak crybaby faggots.
They could, in a pretty similar fashion, make arguments on how they're extremely important because they're stuff they are has existed for millions of years and will continue to, and their actions can similarly echo in ways impossible to imagine for eternity itself.
but they won't do that because it's easier to act like a literal baby
also, you really a sápmi?

>>75590930
It's a Finno-Ugric thread, Chile.

>>75590930
>also, you really a sápmi?
no I'm actualy a Veps who fled here during WW2, don't tell anyone though

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Im eating peanuts, drinking Staropramen and listening to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2on175Jwxo

What about you guys?

>>75591415
eating strawberries, drinking vodka and listening to some italian guy talking about swords

>>75591620
I remember seeing plenty of sami people back in norway and they were beautiful

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>>75591039
Kui armas, mulle meeldib soome-ugri rahvad :333

>>75591415
Drinking longero.

what is up

>>75592070
my dick xD

>>75592113
post butt tsilimömssö

>>75592113
Fuck off, Salvador.

>>75590358
>"if nothing matters then what the fuck is the point in crying about it?"
There had always been at least one, but often times multiple God figures with humanity for as long as we had existed. With the dawn of technology we slowly but surely recognized that we're alone, there's no one to help us. We're going to have to save ourselves.
This caused an ongoing spiral of existential crisis, a shattering of the human mind that still continues on till this day. Without Gods we're lost. We have no boundaries, no future, no meaning. In a way I'm jealous of dumb religious people, because at least they have direction in their lives.
Most people who don't believe in God are unable to cope with the harshness of reality, fall into nihilism, which develops into decadence, hedonism or even outright self-destruction. It's just the way it is.
I suspect there's a biological mechanism behind this. Perhaps we evolved to believe in something. A grand plan. Something bigger than ourselves. A future. Something that gives us hope.
So we're depressed because we lament the death of our innocence, the death of our gods and the end of the age of wonders.

>If you're dead for an infinite amount of time, that means there's also an infinite chance of your consciousness to suddenly pop back into existance.
Anon....no. That's not how consciousness works. Why aren't there pocketwatches on Mars or the Moon? Because that's not how nature works. And our minds and consciousnesses are infinitely more complex than pocketwatches.

>>75592219
I do not fear death, as there is no point in worrying or despairing about something inevitable. That's why I intend to live my life as good as possible before my time is done.

>>75592197
>Salvador
Sa oled ilus mees, Joosep.

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>>75591695
>>75592507
Fugg off with google translate :DD

>>75592507
This sentence is perfect, although I don't understand the context. "you are a beautiful man, Joosep".

>>75591695
This should be:
mulle meeldivad soome-ugri rahvad

because "rahvad" - peoples is in the plural
"meeldib" is the 3rd person singular, this should be the 3rd person plural - meeldivad

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Good evening

>>75592796
but google translates
"How cute, I love finno-ugric people"
as
"Kuidas armas, ma armastan Soomeugrilased"
not what I posted

>>75592938
> "you are a beautiful man, Joosep"
literally what I meant
>I don't understand the context
you called me "Salvador", there's only one famous Salvador in Chile and he was our commie president Salvador Allende.

>meeldib/meeldivad
I used to keep making that mistake with finnish too, thanks eesti

>>75593064
I'm not that other guy.

You're learning Estonian? Cool, hit me up when you need help.

>>75592965
"Kui armas, ma armastan soomeugrilasi" - Valid, although "armastan" here is obnoxious

"Kui armas, mulle meeldivad soomeugrilased" - Perfect, and actually a bit better than "soome-ugri rahvad"

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>>75592760

>>75593258
You're a native speaker of Sami?
What language? Northern Sami? (statistically most likely)

>>75593333
tarkistettu

>>75593387
kiitus

>>75592507
Sä taas et oo kaunis mies

>>75593240
>although "armastan" here is obnoxious
This. I've had 2 gfs but I've never said that I L-word them.

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nõges. from the ground which has been burnt and covered with nõgi (tar, also an ethnic slur for nigger) the first plant to grow. i find this interesting.

>>75593333
väärt numbrid

>>75593565
nöges :DDDDDD

>>75593333
Swedish is my native language. I only speak a small amount of southern Sami

>>75593624
Cool. Are you ethnic Sami? Do your parents/grandparents speak it natively?

>>75593518
juuh

>>75593240
>>75593542
in spanish it's absurdly common so it's hard to not add it everywhere when (attempting to) talk in /fug/ languages

>>75593618
ö != õ ;)

>>75593618
Estonian "nõges" = Finnish "nokkonen" = Votic "nõkõn" and "nõkõs"


The Estonian genitive is "nõgese", so you would expect the nominative to be "nõgene", which is much more similar to Finnish. (the /ɤ/ in the second syllable is gone, because of sound changes)

>>75593689
>Are you ethnic Sami?
Yes. Swedes used to classify us as subhuman and they didn't want to interbreed with us, so we remained pure. That has changed in recent times but many Swedes are still racist and vice versa

>Do your parents/grandparents speak it natively?
Grandparents speak it, parents don't. Though Sami youth are thaught the language is school, only a few hundred still speak it fluently.

>>75593897
>many Swedes are still racist
yes, they seem to hate white people a lot

>>75593897
that's pretty cool, I wish I had seen more of your people outside museums.

>>75593950
They're racist to other Europeans all the time but don't have the balls to be (publicly) racist towards muslims and africans. It makes no sense to me

>>75593702
>in spanish it's absurdly common so it's hard to not add it everywhere
I see. We rarely say the word, just because it means so much to us and because we are not used to express or to have such emotions like South-Americans.
I kinda envy you guys for that. Argentinians and Chileans are my favourite South American people t b h.

>>75593992
Most Samis have been integrated into Scandinavian, Finnish and Russian societies. Only like 10% are still reindeer herders and they use modern equipment like helicopters and snow scooters. The old way is pretty much dead.

>>75594040
they're racist towards us sudacas now, because we're not fashionable for them anymore

>>75594096
>I kinda envy you guys for that.
why tho?

i dropped the L word to gf after 4 years of being together. it had the weight of a thousand mountains and we both cried a little lol

>>75594096
>I kinda envy you guys for that
you shouldn't, those emotions are more often than not very fake, so if anything, expressing emotions a lot makes them lose value. Must be fun for a vacation experience though.
If anything, I envied Finns for not being like that, and you Estonians seem to be just like Finns too.

>>75594120
I assumed so, but still

Votic sentence of the day:

Taitaa viis kilometria Rütšümäld, siäl eli virolain Jüri kruntil.

This should be understandable to Estonians except for one word:

"taitaa" is a cognate to the Finnish word, which means "to know" (the Votic word also means this, as a verb)

In this context it means "about", "approximately".

The word "kruntti" also means something different in Votic: a farm away from the village.

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>>75592429
enough

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy_QI8UrWUU

>>75594421
heh, thought it meant something like: have to go five kilometers until Rütšümäld, there lives vironian jüri on an estate

>>75594421
Can you translate "Elav kala ujub vee all" to Votic?

ainult sitt ja surnud kala läheb vooluga kaasa

>>75594421
How did you learn Votic? I can't imagine it's easy to find a teacher

>In 1989 there were 62 speakers left, the youngest born in 1938. In its 24 December 2005 issue, The Economist wrote that there are only approximately 20 speakers left.
...
>the youngest born in 1938

no vittu küll

surnud lõngale viimane postitus, head ööd

>>75594785
>>75594629
I don't know Votic. I just have a dictionary and a document in Russian (izeõpõttaja)

It should be:
Eläv kala ujub vee alla [that final -b in "ujub" is sketchy. It's sometimes "ujup" or "ujuB"]

>>75595646
Actually:
Elävä kala ujub vee alla
is more correct. Votic usually doesn't have an apocope like Estonian and Võro do.

Another sentence that illustrates the really big Russian influence in Votic:

Kata tšiin obraza, štoby jumala eb nätšeiz

In Estonian:
Kata kinni ikoon, et jumal ei näeks

In English:
Cover the icon, so that god wouldn't see (whatever you're about to do)

"obraza" is a loan from Russian oбpaз - icon
"štoby" is a loan from Russian чтoбы - "so that"

"eb" is really archaic. Finnish has "ei" for the 3rd person singular and Estonian's negative verb is only apparent in the imperative (ei - ära)

The old form was "ep" though, as siin in Estonian "pole" - from original "ep ole", compare modern "ei ole" (is not)

Also, Votic has a change where /k/ before front vowels turns into /tʃ/. The exact same change happened in Italian, coming from Latin.

So, Votic has "tšülä", Finnish has "kylä" (külä), and Estonian has "küla". (meaning "village")

>>75595717
OK, aitäh!

>>75596408
Also, that other sentence should be:
Tšivessä veriin õli vävüü tšäsi


The elative plural is also "tšivilöissä", not sure exactly.

>>75596943
The plural should be "tšivilöissä".

"tšivessä" is the singular.

>>75597022
That phrase was in Wikipedia only in Finnish and Hungarian. The Finnish 'kivistä' is singular, right? But the Hungarian 'kövektől' is plurar. So I made the Estonian also plurar, thinking that it would be more logical. And maybe the Finn 'kivistä' has a wider meaning than just one kivi... I am not sure about that.

>>75597378
Kivistä means "from stones", kivestä would be the singular.

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>when other anons post such complicated words concerning language and stuff

>>75597378

Kivistä can mean "rocky" (used in context like "the ground's rocky here/maasto on kivistä") or literally "from the stones".

>>75597427
Oh, thänk you very many! :D:D

>>75597510
Don't worry, I can't understand it either

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>>75594994
Feels pretty shit knowing that I can do nothing to stop the extinction of Volga Finnics and other assorted Finno-Uralic peoples in Russia.

>>75597702
Are you fully or just partly Saami

>>75597378
What's confusing in this word is that Estonian has the same vowel in nominative, genitive and partitive:
kivi-kivi-kivi

Votic has:
tšivi-tšivee-tšiveä

Finnish has:
kivi-kiven-kiveä


So, the singular elative has -e- in Votic and Finnish, but -i- in Estonian.

The plural cases in Estonian are formed weirdly, from the plural genitive.

Wiktionary states that the plural elative for Votic is "tšiviss", which seems more regular. It's not seen in the "Vadja keele sõnaraamat" though. "tšivissä" is seen once, but this seems to be the singular.

>>75597741
If we're lucky Russia will collapse within our lifetimes and some Finno-Ugrics like Karelians and Udmurts can break free

>>75597800
fully, as far as I know

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>>75597510
It's ok bud, we can be dumbdumbs together.

>>75597741

Cheer up and think how much that concerns you. Do you think krauts feel bad about the extinction of dardics or other fellow Indo-Europeans?

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>>75597868
>and some Finno-Ugrics like Karelians and Udmurts can break free
but can it be done?

maybe instead of the green men we should be starting to send blue and white men there and organizing a revolution, just like the opposite side

>>75598082
Indo-Europeans are heartless bastards too.

life is extremely painful

>>75598577
put the mask of indifference back on

>>75598577
That's why I drink.

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>>75598577
Agreed

>life is extremely painful
so by living you are a sadist who just continuously keeps fucking himself in the face?