What are your thoughts on women in the military?

>>75513203
Indifferent since I'm not enlisted in any branch.

>>75513203
A shame for all the men that died.

liability

>>75513203
They're a burden unless they're doing anything other than paperwork

>>75513414
Women can apply for literally every role, including combat, in our military now

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>>75513414
this
the battlefield is a place of honor and glory, things that women don't know what it means

>>75513203
A woman's place should be in the bed and not the battlefield, in crinoline or Terylene rather than in battledress, wheeling a pram rather than driving a tank.
Furthermore, it should be the natural function of women to stop men from fighting rather than aiding and abetting them in pursuing it.

>>75513493
wtf that's sexist dude

how many female soldiers do you think will get raped on the battlefields of ww3?

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>Mfw in WW3 spetsnaz will fight against european wemanz while european men work on factories or take care of children.

>>75513608
I'm sure our politicians can see the stupidity in throwing women against a bunch of Koreans or whoever needs to be BTFO

>>75513737
Spetsnaz are renowned only for CoD and killing civilians

>>75513493
>it should be the natural function of women to stop men from fighting rather than aiding and abetting them in pursuing it.
Women often cause fights.

>>75513908
Not only

>>75513608
They'd get raped even if they weren't fighting. Soldiers are a rape bunch.

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>>75513203
BEHOLD, THE NU-CORPS

>>75513968
Not him but I don't think I'd want to be "rescued" by spetsnaz. I'd rather take my chances with an airstrike.

>>75513203
if they meet the physical capabilities required and endure the psychological stress of a firefight, I have no problem
if they can't, and are still admitted, then that's a problem

>>75514044
>I don't think I'd want to be "rescued" by spetsnaz.
Name 1 operation fucked up by spetsnaz.

>>75514096
Their standards are lower than those for the men, which is just as bad. Seriously, female marines don't even have to do pullups.

>>75514154
Moscow theater hostage crisis

Advertisement for military that aims for aggressive young men.

>>75513476
you're joking right
i thought there were important things that they weren't allowed to do

>>75514466
Pics?

t. aggressive young man

>>75513203
They shouldn't be on the frontline, but there's no real reason why they couldn't be involved in most of the other work a modern military partakes in.

>>75514164
In the Netherlands the standards are the same.

So there are no female marines yet. But the position only recently opened to females.

>>75513490
t. alex

>>75514499
Nope, in 2016 or something Obama signed some legislation that allowed for women to apply for every single role in the military. Luckily, I'm pretty sure they have to meet to the same standards as males, so I figure that infantry roles will still be 99.99% men

>>75514203
The operation was flawless the problem was gas. An ordinary soldier doesn't choose what gas to use to neutralize the enemy so it's not they fault but fsb

>>75514203
>916 hostages
>40 terrorists with explosives, MGs, AKs

>>75514616
Women have been allowed into the commandos since 1992.

Not a single one has passed yet.

>>75514499
tell me what a woman soldier can't ever do theoretically that a man soldier instead can

>>75514763
Shoot from RPGs without shitting pants

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>>75514616
That's the best way to do it, but I'm still pretty skeptical about the concept. I don't get how they don't see how some issues might arise from men and women literally sleeping in arms reach from each other.

>>75514763
a pull up

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>>75514527
israeli soldiers
t. not the same turk

>>75514803
>>75514838
some women can do that.
Next

>>75514877
Men have naturally denser bones and a more flexible diet

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>graduate on academy when it was only men allowed
>army lets womyn enter the academy finally
>very next class is filled with qts

WHY I DIDN'T WAIT REEEEEEEEEE!!!

>>75514821
Yeah. There are worries about the buddy system. Where two buddies basically have to be able to wipe each others ass. But apparently the minister of defense (a woman) doesn't think that's an issue. And this year she also opened up the submarines to women. Where basically have to rub each others ass when they pass each other.

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They look good on uniforms

>>75514984
Actually, the women are only allowed into the submarines when the current ones get replaced. By more sizable ones.

>>75514956
>muh statistical data
>muh natural inner behaviour

not an argument, we're talking about the specific individual. A woman can be a perfect soldier even if her gender is in general less adapt for it.

>>75513203
everyone who wants to help should be allowed to help
some of them can make good office clerks, so let them

>>75515116
>A woman can be a perfect soldier
ONE* woman can be. that doesn't mean letting all of them into the army
and same goes for useless wimpy """"male"""" fatsos
lowering the standards of admission only lowers the overall team quality

>>75515116
If I'd have to camp, train and sleep with a woman for weeks I'd also get rape tendencies desu.

>>75515116
But army is not about who is perfect who is not. If a woman can handle all training and does well in every army related subject she can be a soldier in theory but in reality it's shit. Not for her but for people around her. Women have periods, they like other things and if something happens everyone would prefer to safe a women even tho it could be the worst choice. Moreover there is always sexual tension in the army

>>75515288
Just looked it up what others might think.

Then I found this on wikipedia.
>A 2011 report found that women in the U.S. military are more likely to be raped by fellow soldiers than they are to be killed in combat.[1] At least 25% of U.S. military women have been sexually assaulted, and up to 80% have been sexually harassed
I imagine that number would skyrocket in a real conflict.

>>75515522
lol wtf why are we men such savage beasts?

>>75515522
According to the Pentagon it's 1 in 3.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/13/opinion/sexual-assaults-and-military-justice.html?_r=1

>>75515572
Being close to females releases hormones that make you more predatory and less logical.

>>75515572
Will you be my Italian gf?

>>75515572
Testosterone fucks you up really hard. Especially if there is only few women and hundreds of men around you

>>75513203
I want a nato gf to bully me

>>75515801
The violent setting also makes men produce more testosterone.

>The rise in testosterone levels during competition predicted aggression in males but not in females.[85] Subjects who interacted with hand guns and an experimental game showed rise in testosterone and aggression.[86] Natural selection might have evolved males to be more sensitive to competitive and status challenge situations and that the interacting roles of testosterone are the essential ingredient for aggressive behaviour in these situations.[87]

>>75516028
Well, I experienced it myself when did sports so no surprise there

>>75515829
Go bully the Baltics and there's a good chance it will happen

I think women are suitable for most roles. But I think it's odd to make a blanket statement. The military is a team and you should just do what's best for the team.

If a woman can operate an apache or drive a tank that's fine.
But if she's just distracting rape bait for elite soldiers it's not fine. And perhaps the women should be in a separate squad in those situations.

But equality itself shouldn't be a priority. More a result of pragmatism.

>>75515288
i get rape tendencies just from sitting in class with women for 7 hours
i imagine it wouldn't take long for a girl to get gangbanged in that setting

>>75515758
no

>>75516373
Did you try talk to them? It helps a lot. You will still dream about fucking them tho

>>75516410
Please, I can change :(

>>75516545
Please, you can charge :)

>>75513203
Men are raised from birth to be disposable assets of the state. To feel patriotic about dying.

>>75513203
they should do service - but not on the frontline

>>75513203
Just keep them away from the battlefield, they can do administrative tasks at base. Patrolling the fence, drive officers around and such. Or perhaps staff field HQs or field hospitals, but don't let the percentage of women get to high. For even those women at the field hospitals have problems carrying injured males to the operating bench.

>>75513203
I expect a woman to be able to carry me on her shoulders for a few kilometers, with her and my kit. That's an extra 100kg easily.

>make the standards so high that no woman will ever make it
>let anyone apply
>only strong physically fit men make it
Bam

>>75513203
easy lays my friend, easy lays

>>75515116

Please go, Martina (born Pierro Labbodanno)

I'm not in the military so I don't care that much. Its like "whatever". If they can do the work, why not? You don't need man strength to fly a drone around.

But I think "hell no" when it comes to signing up for the draft or whatever. Thats stupid.

>>75514154
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis

Don't like that too much if the enemy capture them they will posibly be raped

>>75521646
well..don't get raped?

>>75521732
But what if you find yourself captured by Yankee buttpirates?

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>>75513203
>What are your thoughts on women in the military?
It's perfectly fine for non-combat roles. But infantry? Nope. Most of them do it to simply prove they can hang with men. It's all because of narcissism, not really to get good at killing or to fight for their country.

>Draft
YES
>Support Roles
YES
>Combat Roles
NOOOooooo!

>>75514763
Impregnate innocent civilians.

Disgraceful, dangerous, and shouldn't be allowed.

But any woman who wants to be in the military is scum, so it's better to use them as meat-shields rather than keeping them alive in society.

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>>75514803
Try again, Ivan.

Most women aren't qualified for combat roles, but most military are in support roles that women can just as easily do, and women historically make good snipers. I don't see why qualified women can't serve unless you're one of those weird incel types who can't handle the thought of women doing things.

>>75523826
Damn, was your ex in the military or something?

More guns more bullets

Worth it. If 100 women are allowed scrape by so we can get 1-2 real fucking soldiers then so be it. Sure as shit is more useful than anything my ass will do, working at a PetSmart and browsing fucking 4chan all day.

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>>75524351
>ex

Let's be real here, anon- he's never had an ex let alone touched a woman.

>>75513203
Women can serve in combat roles but probably not in the same numbers as men. I always look back to the USSR in ww2 as an example of when a country has everything to lose, everbody fights. The soviets had female soldiers that excelled in combat roles.

>>75514679
And days of prep time for booby traps.

>>75513203

A pretty bad idea. Women are for fucking, not fighting.

>>75513608
Hopefully the nukes obliterate everything before it comes to that.

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>>75526380
t. virgin

>>75526416
There won't be very many troops on the ground in the case of a superpower x superpower war. Remote technology has made traditional warfare obsolete for industrialized nations.

>>75526454
You won't be laughing when your drone cubicle gets blown up.

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If they're all as buff as Ronda Rousey then I'm okay with it

>>75514763
strenous physical activity over longer periods of time

>>75513203
As long as they're held at the same standards as men, I don't care

Armybro here. Women in combat positions just doesn't work. They don't have the physical endurance or aggression of men, they're more likely to panic under stress, and most of them just end up as fucktoys for the entire platoon--about 90% of them get pregnant within a few months of deployment.

And don't even get me started on what would happen if they get captured by Ahmed. I'm real sure he cares about feminism and respecting women.

Against any modern country pretty much all grunts are redundant in the age of mass-deployed drone warfare/swarms.

Some women are needed in the field when operating in places where culture prevents local women from talking to strange men.

>>75515365
>Women have periods, they like other things
The hygiene issue is also another liability that women face in combat. When you're out in an APC and you need to take a piss, guys will usually go in a plastic bottle and dump it outside later when they get the chance.

>be woman
>be in cramped APC
>have to go
>have to take your pants down in front of a bunch of men and pee in a plastic bott...well, you'll have a hard time with that anyway

>>75526579
Ronda Rousey is good for what she does, but even a relatively average male MMA would overpower her.

>>75527076
what, getting beat once and then becoming a housewife?

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>>75513203
>women
>soldiers
HAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

There were studies showing that a 25 year old woman on average has the aerobic capability and reflexes of a 14 year old boy, by 16 the boy will better than her.

>>75514843
A very bad pick

>in a non-combat uniform but there no:
>unit tag
>beret either on the left shoulder or on the head
>no any kind of military pins
>can't be a fresh recruit because already a corporal

These ladies should face disciplinary tribunal.

>>75527127
Even in childhood, on average a boy can run faster and throw a softball further than a girl, and prepubescent children have a far smaller difference than adults in terms of physical strength and body shape.

Women don't really have the competitive spirit of men either, or at least not in the same way. That's why women on average don't care about sports and will say things like "How can you sit and watch grown men play a children's game like baseball?" but to men your team winning or losing is almost like life and death.

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uncomfortable
as ground infantry, I feel like its a very bad idea

on the other hand, a lot of warfare would now be conducted through tech, comms & support, and I think women would be fine at that.

apparently they're used for soft power propaganda in israel...

>>75527286
Women are competitive with other women in terms of their looks/appearance, not so much their possessions or what cool thing they can or cannot do.

>>75513203
a culmination of insane gender equality.

>>75527076
And she's admitted that she was bullied in high school for taking up martial arts because it wasn't normal chick stuff.

>>75518300
yes and no, Men have always sacrificed themselves for the next generation.
e.g. a man will risk his life to hunt and fight to feed and protect his woman and children

the state is like your tribe in many ways

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lol

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>>75527559
It is. And in wartime, one of the things you do is go to other cunts and take their women as war booty/payment.

>>75514679
956 bodybags

>>75527618

fuckin shit

Do you honestly think ISIS are intimidated if they see a battalion of 5'7" 100 pound women coming at them?

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>>75513203
So ready for this. As the gear and weapons get lighter it makes total sense.

>>75527618

Just look at his face, you can tell all the shit he is thinking.

Didn't Gaddafi had women as personal female squad?

>>75515801
>>75515673
>it's not our fault we can't help it, it's our hormones, we are mere slaves to our passions :DDDD
literally below "society made me stab the old lady" nigger logic

>>75528958
End yourself, feminist.

>>75529047
come back when you take responsibility for your actions
your kind is worse than abbos (literal subhumans)

>>75529126
Nobody says it's a good thing. It's like walking around a town with pockets visibly full of money. There is a big chance you would be robbed and the robber will be put in jail but what the point to do it in the first place

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>>75513203

I'm ok with them as long as they're in the military of the opposing side

>>75528425
>gear and weapons get lighter

Anon...

>>75513203
They must be conscripted
THEY MUST BE CONSCRIPTED
they must be conscripted
ThEy MuSt Be CoNsCrIpTeD
theY musT bE conscripteD
They, must be, Conscripted.