Y-DNA haplogroups 2017

>>75368765

What about Autosomal DNA buddy?

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>>75368765
I wonder how it will look like in 2117.

>>75368765
>spaniards are moors
>posting a gypsy from Andalucia

>the eternal leftist breton being this white

>>75368765
why do those cunts keep changing the colours

>>75368765


When will they make a fuckin chart for colorblind?

So basically all of Europe is still overwhelmingly white and Americans are exaggerating the situation despite being >60% ?

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>>75369040

>>75369040
My guess those apply to native Europeans not people with recent "migrant" backgrounds.

>>75369040
Well these are just sampled from like 1000 people per country, so you shouldn't see them as anything but "polls".

>>75368765
Where is the Pannonian influence?

>>75369107
And my guess is they sample people of non-migrant background.

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>Galicia is the most nordic/germanic part of Spain
No wonder I'm so tall, autistic, pale and can't dance.

>>75369148
Then what's the point of updating it?

>>75369205
Maybe there are new studies with larger samples?

I always feel like these maps are pointless, on a personal level they tell you absolutely nothing

>>75368885
just a combination of Y-DNA and mtDNA, and who cares bout females

>>75369256
It is important because most mutts have non white matrilineal lineages, in latin america Y-DNA is predominantely European.

>>75369233
just tell you who your fathers were and who your brother countries are

>you will never meet the first r1b alpha male

>>75369000
Bretons also used to be fierce royalists well into republican times.

They're just in their nature a bit behind. Same with the Walloons here.

>>75369233
>on a personal level they tell you absolutely nothing
The current proportion of ydna haplogroups reflects the proportion some generations back. So if you sampled all of you ancestors generations into the past, you would probably get similar results, *assuming groups of people intermarried at equal rates*. Although the latter is not true if you consider the fact that Jews and Christians did not intermarry frequently in the past.

>>75369314
Bit rude.

t. a bit behind

>>75369233
On every level except physical I'm 99.8% white.

>>75368765
We are our own race. Whiteys and asians have nothing on us

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>>75369298
kek.

>>75369345
it's just banter m8 ;^)

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Is it better to have a diverse or pure gene pool? Asking for a friend btw

>>75369527
>pure gene pool

Isn't it bad in the long run cause of hereditary disease, degeneration and stuff?

>>75369527
Depends, if the mixture is between R1a, R1b, I1, i2a, i2b is good.

If the mixture includes T, Q, N, E1b1, J1 and J2, is bad.

>>75369527
You only need a population of ~25 couples to avoid genetic diseases as long as close cousins don't marry.

https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/5524/how-many-people-are-required-to-maintain-genetic-diversity

>When you get to 25 pairs (50 animals) and have complete control over pairing, you can sustain the genetic diversity practically infinitely (especially if you take into account spontaneous mutations).

>>75369599
Yes, it's evolutionary suicide.

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>>75369040

>>75369763
Because given enough time you run out of genetically distant couples, right?

>>75369816
Well fuck at least its better than Argentina.

>>75369649
this tbqh

>>75369321
That's actually kind of interesting, i hadn't thought of it that way
How far back do you have to go for it to be statistically probable?

>>75368765
Its funny how often there are crossposts between reddit and int

>>75368958
The same map with different colors

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>tfw more greek than greece

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>>75368765
>tfw we put the white genes into the finnish mongols

>>75368765
>Spain
>not 20% semitic, 20% iberian, 20% roman and 40% white

bullshit

>>75370196
Don't tell them, they hate the idea of their whiteness coming from scandis.

>>75370182
I'm trojan.

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>>75370302
Yeah I noticed it

>>75369816
> Sweden
> 87.4 %

Oh I'm laughing. Try 8.74 %

>>75369527
Haplogroups don't really have anything to do with genetic diversity. They only indicate it.

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>>75370196
>inb4 Finnish haplogroup warriors

>>75370182
You're welcome.
On second thought is that a good or a bad thing?

>>75369763
There's always mutations happening though. To my knowledge, Icelanders are fine health-wise, and apparently you only need around 300 people in theory to prevent inbreeding issues
Funniest thing is that those which are supposed to bring us """diversity""" are often inbred themselves, cousin or uncle-niece marriage rates exceed 50% in some Middle Eastern places

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>that black sliver in france

>>75368765
More autism fuel? Nice

>>75370438
N-no

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>>75370471
>>that black sliver in france
All europe is cucked by negroes

>>75370604
>no presence in great britain
>but presence in the fucking faroe isalnds

>>75370568
:^)

>>75369527
Considering that "pure" gene pools result in having deformations and mental retardations like sub-saharan africans and arabs, I'd say "diverse". But europeans already have very diverse genetics. In fact, they're probably the most diverse ethnicities in the world.

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>>75370196
>>75370302
>>75370331
>>75370437
im not kangposter but you cant expect me to ignore these eternal swedish lies either

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>>75368765
>paris

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>>75370604
>>75370791
Please..

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>>75370604
BEN WAS RIGHT

>>75371298
Source on this and if it's not done by a legit group, then no thanks.

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>>75369816

So the whiter you are, the more butthurt you are?

That map seems to coincide with the butthurt belt of europe.

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>>75371362
if it doesn't fit your arbitrary criteria you'll go back to believing a racially motivated hypothesis of your own with zero evidence supporting it? sure thing buddy do as you wish

>>75371362
well if we go by your logic, sweden is at least 1/5 russian and norway is over 1/4

>romania is this diverse
wheres our affirmative action?!

>>75371504
>>75371513
No need to be angry. Be happy.

>>75371504
You think it's unreasonable to ask for the source? Just give him the source.

>>75371776
he has already made it clear he will deny it upfront regardless like a svecoman he is

>>75371776
He won't give because I put the rules straight on the table. If it's some /pol/level tard info about their we wuz special l1 genes nothing from the evul germanics

>>75368765
North Germany and East Germany appear to be pretty much identical
>b-but we wuz wends n shit, east germans are just germanised poles ostseidlung is a lie reeee

>>75371822
No, he said it needed to be a legit source. I want the source too, give it up.

>>75371872
are you kidding? the map clearly shows half of Germany being slavv'd

they're pretty much Czechs at this point

>>75368765
Switzerland is rightful italian clay

>>75372063
There's different subclades of R1a though whose splitoff predates the ethnogenesis of Germanic and Slavic speaking groups.
That being said, some places in the East are indeed Germanised Wends

>>75372063
R1a isn't exclusively Slavic, look how high it is for example in Norway. It's pre-Slavic and mostly from Corded Ware and not later Slavic migrations. Yes, some of the R1a in East Germany is from Slavs/Wends but the stark difference between Poland and East Germany in comparison to the strong similarity between North Germany and East Germany (they're basically identical) shows that German migration to those regions was significant and the people there aren't simply "Germanised Slavs" as some people on here like to claim.

>>75372126
There's one main different R1a subclade in Scandinavia, but the rest on the continent (R1a subclades) are associated with West-Slavs mainly. Poles specifically.

This goes way back. Vandal R1a* on Sardinia (where they had a settlement) is also a West-Slavic subclade.

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>>75372199

You'll find that it is R1a-M458 mostly. If by Slavic you mean the 6th century Slavic ethnogenesis, then of course, but I wasn't referring to it in a linguistic sense. The subclade is associated very strongly with Polish people.

>>75373830
Eastern Germans are slavs lol

>>75368765
>not a single cunt with higer than 25% e1b

Feels bad not be European

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>>75373830
Well of course it's all sort of a gradient in Yurop (with some outlier exceptions like Basques, Sardinians, Finns...), so generally it goes
>be x, located closely to people y
>cluster near y
Shouldn't be a surprise. Now if that makes x "more y", or y "more x", is pretty arbitrary.
I'm a South-Westerner anyway, so we swing more to the "Celtic" side, or "Bell Beaker", whatever you wanna name it

>>75374714
>Albania
>Kosovo
You wuz Illyrian 'n shieeet

>>75374606
M458 would have been present in Germany before the Slavs showed up, albeit probably at a lower frequency. So they're not "Slavic".

>>75369649
> if the mixture includes haplomemes from ancient Minoans/Greeks/Anatolians is bad

wow

Germans are Russians? Well this certainly explains their Oriental cruelty

>>75371776
>>75371892
>>75371856
Eupedia

>>75368765
>That Q in Finland
WE

>>75375067
Nah, we would have more N1c1 in that case (there's only some here from Germanised Balts), as well as East Asian admixture (which is <0.1% or so, noise level all over West Yurop while East Slavs are 5-10%)
(Ethnic) Russians are Fenno-Slavic (lots of Finnic Russified peoples over the last few centuries)

>>75370196
>>75370302
We got most of our genes from intermingling with Balts and early Eastern Indo-European, that's why we're primarily blonde and blue-eyed.

>>75369173
Share my pain brother

Also

Gallaecii/Swabi union when ?

>>75371856
>their we wuz special l1 genes nothing from the evul germanics
I1 is not Germanic but Paleo-European, if it had come from Germanics we'd have Germanic R1 haplogroups.

>>75374759
true, and you definitely do ( "Celtic" side, or "Bell Beaker")

that has btw been my experience in general, that Southern Germans, Swiss and Austrians are markedly different from Northerners, in the same way as we differ from the Dutch. It is more than just catholic vs protestant, there are certain defining physical differences. And I think also linguistic ones in this sense.

>>75371513
+1

>>75368765
Wtf Portugal is like a quarter Greco Anatolian/ Caucasian

More so than spain.

Didn't Spain have all the Greek and punic colonies while Portugal was mostly preceltic, Celtic ,roman and later germanic in the north with berber in the south ?

Where would so much caucus admixture come in ?

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>>75374944
They were also present amongst the Wends before Sklavoni/Slavs showed up. Because the correlation between Wends and M458 is rock solid. Poland is basically M458: The Country.

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>>75375067
What? Russians are Finnics, hence their Oriental cruelty

>>75375674
Well that map looks like it covers Germany and Prussia in a thick purple blanket, chum

>>75375713
East Prussian Germans were 30% N1c1.

>>75375484
>>75375484
>Germanic R1 haplogroups.

No such thing. Surely you mean Celtic/Celto-Germanic?

>>75375635
True, but that doesn't make East Germany "Slavic" by any means.

>>75375800
R1 carriers created Germanic language and culture, therefore I1 in Finland can only be pre-Germanic.

>>75375136
I wonder where those Finnish Q carriers are from

>>75375800
Define "Germanic". If we go by the time point of ethnogenesis around 2500-3000 years ago in Southern Scandinavia, they would have been around 50% I1, 30% R1b (U106) and 20% R1a, I'd guesstimate

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>>75368885
Y-DNA builds civilization, it's time to take the redpill mate.

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>>75375713
>1-5%
>thick

that said, Prussians were indeed both the most barbaric ànd the most Oriental, like you said, not a coincidence.

>>75368765
Why Paris has so much negroid haplogroups?

>>75375829
>R1 carriers created Germanic language
source on that pls?

>>75375885
That is the funny thing, and why I insist on associating U106 with the Celto-Germanic cultures (essentially Germanic speaking people who had a Celtic-speaking nobility in pre-Roman times, such as the Kimbri in Denmark to give but one example, or West-Germanic tribes who adopted Celtic as a whole in the same period).

Re: ethnogenesis in Scandinavia, it is true that for now the oldest specimen of U106 is from Scandinavia, Sweden lived a bit over 4000 years ago iirc, but wherever its exact origin, U106 appears to have spread mainly from southern Germany. This is confirmed by eg. Ian McDonald and the bulk spread was from South Germany northwards. This reminds strongly of the Celtic spread.

Also, mind you in those pagan days, it was common to take over the culture and language of a more succesful neighbour. Hence why the Belgae and many West-Germanic tribes were partly Celtic or had a Gaulish-speaking nobility. Hence why a couple of centuries later Vandals and Goths were basically Germanic-speaking Wends.

>tfw pureblooded celto-brython
/int/ will never know this feel

>>75376118
Even back in Roman days, Parisii girls fucked everything that moved. Not even joking. And the Romans brought a lot of foreign tradesmen and legionaries, to the sheer delight of Lutetian coalburners.

>>75375885
If you look at the ancient ydna from Scandinivia you'll find that we have samples of R1b and R1a from the region before we have I1

>>75376409
I respect that, but you have to admit, Brythonic Celts were quite the cucks.

>>75376118
>>75376498

In the old days near Lutetia there was an island in the Seine inhabited only by women, a sort of pagan religious sect. And once a year they'd leave their island and fuck as many passengers they could.

They would also ritually tear apart (limbs) of one of their own in a raging frenzy every year, but that is another story.

>>75376563
adaptability

>>75376368
>t was common to take over the culture and language of a more succesful neighbour. Hence why the Belgae and many West-Germanic tribes were partly Celtic or had a Gaulish-speaking nobility. Hence why a couple of centuries later Vandals and Goths were basically Germanic-speaking Wends.
Okay now we've reached fantasy pseudo science once again about our ancestors. The metal work of the Germanic culture was more sophisticated than celts and Slavs, the Celts actually began to adopt the Germanic metal working technique, why are you suddenly claiming that they were ruled over by "wends" and Gauls now?

>>75376368
To me it seems more likely that R1b originated in Southern Germany with some Pre-Celtic Indo-European group which spread north and through mixing with Pre-Germanic Indo-European groups it entered their populations, and from there it spread and increased in frequency, ultimately culminating into the Nordic Bronze age and the Germanic ethnogenesis.

I find it highly unlikely that Germanics were originally purely I1/R1a until Celtic nobles brought them R1b.

>>75376697
>I find it highly unlikely that Germanics were originally purely I1/R1a until Celtic nobles brought them R1b.
Genetic evidence shows the oldest R1b U106 in Scandinavia and pre dating I1 in the area by almost a thousand years

This Belgian probably just strongly identifies with his "Celtic" ancestry and gets a hard on by claiming they wuz kangz n shiet

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>>75373830
>You'll find that it is R1a-M458 mostly.

Where? On auto-generated maps? Rebala found 4.5% R1a-M458 in a sample from Mecklenburg, out of 14% R1a in total

>>75376368
Germanics are Indo-European, therefore original Germanics must have been R1.

>>75376670
Hence why I don't think bad of you. You adapt and you enjoy life in your local community, ensuring the stability of it, right?

>>75376915
>>75377020
Don't even bother talking to this guy, he's not going to listen to reason

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>>75377034
>enjoy life in your local community
well, about that

>>75376673
Lol no. First off all let's picture all this in the fitting era. My statement was about pre-Roman days; when the Kimbri had kings named Boiorix, and many West-Germanic tribes had the same.

When the Roman came, ffw a couple of centuries, they officially became Roman citizens and became lazy and indolent. Tacitus describes this well, Belgic tribes like the Nervii and Treveri, especially the Nervii who before didn't een allow the importation of wine and luxury goods from the south, suddenly began boasting about their Germanic heritage. Eburones became Toxandrii in the Antwerp-Limburg region (eburo- and toxa- both meaning taxus (yew) tree, the former in Gaulish, the latter in Old German).

Next to that, the Vandals were the only people who settled a colony in Sardinia next to the Romans. And which Y-DNA subclades we find there now mainly? R1b-U106 and R1a-M458 in a 50/50 proportion in the northern part of Sardinia, and in the south where we know their allies the Alans settled, the Caucasian subclade R1a-2123, found mostly in the Caucasus and the regions around the Caspian Sea.

Pseudo my ass. You are just unwilling to adapt to recent findings and obvious conclusions that go from them.

Next to that, Przeworsk culture pretty much encompasses the whole region where the Vandals came from and the same era, and every researcher agrees it was an earlier link to the Prague-Korchak culture associated with early Slavs.

>>75377349
>And which Y-DNA subclades we find there now mainly?

I meant, next to the native Sardinian population

>>75377349
>R1a-2123

R1a-z2123

typed too fast

>>75370196
Durr, i won't start crusading here but you know what pre-germanic means? It means the original inhabitants of scandinavia who also inhabited Finland way before finnic tribes scattered across it.

This ain't rocket science, atleast that's what i've figured by little common sense.

>>75368765
>So, muslism and jewish Spain is a meme created by the Black Legend and feed by lefties

Wow, what a non-surprise.

>>75377349
Nothing in this post proves or even suggests that R1b in Germanic populations is due to a Celtic nobility.

>>75377349
Yes anyone who relies on the words of Roman ethnographer as fact is a pseduo scientist. Only people on online forums and blogs do this pathetically amateur type of infernence. I've read all of Tacitus' work about the Germans and the Gauls, there's really nothing in value in them except what it tells you about the Romans and how they wanted to be perceived. There's certainly nothing there that implies Celts ruling over Germanics, in fact it claims the opposite that the Belgae had been Germanized and the Gauls pushed westward. His talk about Roman luxuries corrupting the Gauls was in general and meant to be a criticism of the Roman lifestyle and its adverse affect on proud people.

Also claiming that Vandals are ruled by Slavs because Sardinians have m458 is grasping at straws. Only a person who really wanted to believe such a random thing would come to that conclusion. We don't even have any ydna from tha Vandals. There was a pole who used to post here claiming that the Vandals were polish because they had 30 percent ydna R1a yet this figure doesn't even exist and R1a can be found at that level in Scandinivia anyway.

Also the Germanic people had superior metal working to the Celts despite the fact that Celts had contact with Greeks and other advanced cultures
>When the Iron Age (1500—1200 BCE) arrived, the Germanic people showed greater mastery of ironworks than their Celtic contemporaries but they did not have the extensive trade networks during this period that their southern neighbors enjoyed with the Greco-Roman world.[178]
Just because Celtic loan words were adopted by Germanic people doesn't suddenly mean that the celts rule over them, it's just cultural exchange

None of anything you said proves your claims is the sad part. It's just a bunch of random assumptions, I don't know where an objectively minded person would come to the conclusion that Vandals were wends or Celts ruled over Germanics from anything you said

>>75377349
M458 in Sardinia doesn't prove that the Vandals were ruled by Slavs - generally rulers don't adopt the language of their subordinates. If anything it suggests that the migrating Vandals assimilated large numbers of Slavs/Wends who retained their haplogroups and spread them to places like Sardinia.

>>75378039
The study's about Sardinian ydna also shows literally only 15 people out of hundreds of samples having R1a and only half of those had M458.

This whole hypothesis is ridiculous, Wends ruled over Vandals according to this guy becaus 5 out of something like 800 people in Sardinia had ydna R1a m458?

>>75377886
>Yes anyone who relies on the words of Roman ethnographer as fact is a pseduo scientist.

stopped reading there, revisionists pls fuck off, yeah you should put water in the wine, but to diss it completely because of >muh post-modern enlightenment makes you blind and laughable

>>75377693
well I tell you it very likely is, R1b is mainly associated with Celts, and Germanic input is just secondary

>>75377886
>We don't even have any ydna from tha Vandals

Yeah we have you moron, read what I wrote. There's a recent paper on exactly that. Deduction, Watson. If only Romans and Vandals colonized Sardinia you don't have to be a genius at math to derive Vandal subclades. And confirm it with their Alan confederates who had a colony in the south of Sardinia. Did you even read what I wrote?

We have a saying here for the likes of you, the willngly blnd. Freely translated it says: what does a candle or a pair of glasses help, if the owl refuses to open his eyes?

>>75378039
>M458 in Sardinia doesn't prove that the Vandals were ruled by Slavs

I never said they were, I merely stated that the subcladed that defined the Vandals were about 50/50 R1b-U106 and R1a-M458, and that the latter is very strongly associated with the Polish people.

>>75379118
False, R1b is responsible for the Germanic ethnogenesis (or at least equally so with I1, R1a, etc). That is quite significant.

>>75378039
I also stated that Vandal were basically Slavs (protot-Slavs if you wll, I prefer Wends/Venedic) that were ruled by a Germanic speaking nobility, confirmed by archeological remains, the names of their kings etc

Remember Slavic wasn't even a thing until the 6th century, when Antes (Iranics) and Skloveni formed a tribal federation akin to the Franks and the Saxons with the Venedi.

>>75379358
>I prefer Wends/Venedic
Venedi is far better imo, "Wends" has too many associations with later West Slavic groups.

>>75378331
goto eupedia read it yourselves, naturally we have to exclude THE FUCKING SARDINIAN NATIVES YOU MONG

Who is more trustworthy, an academic paper pusblished in a peer-reviewed journal, or some Slavophobic autist on /int?

>>75379294
post a source then pls, I asked the finn who claimed this itt before and he didn't respond

>>75379414
It's the same, Venedi is Latin for Wends

>>75379432
I'm not arguing against that. What I'm arguing against is the idea that the Vandals were the ones who were "ruled over", when it was the opposite. But it turns out you weren't even suggesting that in the first place, so it was a misunderstanding.

http://bialczynski.pl/slowianie-tradycje-kultura-dzieje/genetyka-skad-pochodza-slowianie-r1a/o-pangermanskim-szowinizmie-i-nacjonalizmie-o-nieustannych-probach-naciagania-faktow-i-anglo-niemieckich-manipulacjach-przy-y-dna/about-pan-germanic-chauvinism-and-nationalism-about-unceasing-attempts-to-twist-facts-as-well-as-anglo-german-manipulations-of-y-dna/

Pan-Germanic chauvinists BTFO

>>75379278
>I never said they were, I merely stated that the subcladed that defined the Vandals were about 50/50 R1b-U106 and R1a-M458

Where do you have that from?

>>75379550
I know, but Venedi is typically used to refer to peoples in antiquity, whereas Wends is more often used to refer to later West Slavic groups.

>>75379506
R1b was present during the Nordic Bronze Age, i.e. when the Germanic ethnogenesis began. R1b was spread by Proto-Indo-Europeans, who obviously are responsible for the introduction of Indo-European languages into Europe. R1a in Europe is associated with Satem languages, and R1b with Centum langauges - Germanic is Centum. R1b peaks in Germanic nations and it's spread matches perfectly with the Germanic migrations.

Since time machines don't exist, we'll never know for sure which haplogroups were dominant during the Germanic ethnogenesis. But if you have any critical thinking skills, it should be obvious that R1b was one.

>>75379558
Well, when I see a group of people that speak a Germanic language, or at least their official organs (nobility) did at the time of the Great Migrations, and they were literally described by Gregory of Tours, a witness to this, as looking quite "oriental", meaning they came from well beyond the Roman border, and I note a paper that confirms this in Sardinia, next to hints I have been keeping an eye at, as for example the historical interchangability of the term "Rex Vandalorum" with "King of the Wends" in the former title of the Danish king (until 1973), I tend to see a red line going through all this here.

>>75379665
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/341/6145/565

use sci-hub.io if you want to view the full paper

>>75371362
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml#suomi

>>75379756
*R1b-U106 peaks in Gemranic nations

>>75379756
But it is literally the same. It is like the French call us (Vlamingen) Flamands. Venedi is just Latin for Wends. The purported difference is in your mind.

Regardng R1b-U106 yeah I know that the oldest sample was dated +/- 2000 BC in Sweden, but the main spread of it is clearly from South-Germany to surrounding regions. So it is not a definite conclusion, we might find more material to ponder on.

Also re:centum/satem I've also been pointing at the fact that all Satem languages coincide with what in antiquity was the Scytho-Sarmatian world. This doesn't imply that all tribes therein were of Iranic descent, just that they were the dominating factor. Really the Centum/Satem border is pretty much the same as the border of Sarmatia Europeia and Sarmatia Asiatica.

Hence my hint at the Antes, they were an Iranic tribe. Slavic languages have noticable Iranic influences (although we also have people contesting that today, I question their motives often)

>>75368765
>Germanics claim to be purest
>They are, in fact, the product of mongrelization between 3 different races
Woah!

>>75379853

Where exactly? Highlight it

Here is the thing: R1b Originated in West Asia and R1a also originated in Western or central Asia. So by that logic almost all modern Europeans are descendants of Asian invaders :^)

>>75380123
R1b is sandnigger Hittite, R1a is Aryan

>>75380100
>>75379853

>Among the 15 R1a1a individuals were 11x Z282 (among which 5x Z280), 3x Z93 (Z94>L342.2>Z2123) and 1x M458 (L1029+). The Z2123 is Middle Eastern and was probably brought by the Phoenicians. Although there is no typically Germanic subclade, Z282 and L1029 are not exclusively Balto-Slavic and have also been found in Sweden and Germany. If all of it was brought by the Vandals (who else ?), it looks like the Vandals were heavy on R1a.

>Based on this (perhaps not representative) Sardinian snapshot, the Vandals seem to have carried 38% of R1a (12 samples), 31% of I2a2a (10 samples), 25% of R1b (8 samples), and only 6% of I1 (2 samples).

which is quite different from what you've said

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>>75380040
We're Celto-Germanic. See this guy, we here in West-Flanders have quite a few people that look exactly like him, one of my best mates in fact.

Also this used to be Menapian country, they were absorbed by the Franks in the 5th century, but you can still see (and hear) the difference easily with other Flemings. In fact we're more Celtic than the Walloons, who contrary to their name are pretty much French-speaking West-Germanics.

>>75380261

Also, if those numbers are correct, the genetic makeup of Vandals would be very different to Poles and therefore one could not speak of them as "Germanic speaking Wends".

>>75380261
Isn't 38% about half? Yeah it is a bit less, a bit. Still quite representative if you ask me.

So which genes exactly make Southern Europeans - Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria, Croatia, Romania, Hungary, so much sexier than the rest of Europe?

>>75380223
But Hittites aren't Sandniggers
and a similar sandnigger argument can be made for R1a since the rulers and elites of the Mittani were Indo-European aR1ans as well. Though you could argue that only elites might have been R1a and the commoners were related to Armenians (likely G and J or something).

Still, all fun stuff aside, Hittites were an impressive civilization- the first ones to use iron on a larger scale and nearly BTFO'd ancient Egypt. Maybe in some parallel universes Hittites did or are BTFOing Egyptians to expand Indo-European control into North Africa

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>>75380223
>Aryan

>>75380380
I said the regular people were like that, the upper class was off a different composition. Not unlike many other examples in the pre-Roman world with Gauls and Germanics.

Should I call Austrians Slavs because they have 40% West-Slavic R1a subclades? No perhaps not, but there is no denying that they assimilated a lot of Slovenes and West-Slavics (Wends) in general. This is a visible factor in their difference from say Saxons. A very visible factor. And then we haven't even touched the matter of germanized Slavic toponyms yet, of which you too have a lot. Hell even Berlin is a Slavic toponym.

>>75380459
just the old adagium that opposites attract

>>75380261
Again note the exclusivity of R1a-Z2123 n Southern Sardinia, where the allies of the Vandals back then, the Sarmatian Alans, from the Caucasus, settled.

>>75380514
Yeah. Big surprise buddy not every Aryan is the Nazi meme version of Aryan. The ancient Iranians and Vedic Aryans likely only had a (possibly significant) minority of people looking like the nazi-meme versions of the term.

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>>75380514

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>northern Sweden is Finnic

>>75368765
wtf give finland back its beautiful purple

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>>75380747

>>75368765
>make haplogroup for three diferent parts of spain and italy
>make haplogroup only for lisbon
ok

>>75380550
>I said the regular people were like that

Well, relative to the R1a-samples, there are much more I2a2a samples in Sardinia than in Poland. Which would mean that it wasn't just a Germanic upper class and the Wendic masses, but rather a substantial number of Venedi assimilated by Germanics. Note that not all R1a samples have to be attributed to Slavs (I also wonder if there was slave trade in the early Middle Ages on Sardinia - this could have brought some Slavs to the island, but I don't know)

>Should I call Austrians Slavs because they have 40% West-Slavic R1a subclades?

The number of 40% is wrong (according to Eupedia, it's 19%). Not that I care. How does that analogy even support your case?

>>75375635

why did slavs skip Romania in their expansion?
I understand Hungary not being a slavic speaking place due to the Magyar invasion, but Romania being skipped by Slavs is weird, unlesss Slavs in Romania learned Romanian.
Something like that must have happened to some degree because the Roman empire never reached Moldova, but it must have been something from which we have no written records.

>>75368765
>I1: pre-Germanic
>I2b: pre-Celto-Germanic
>R1a: Germanic
>R1b: Germanic
You can tell this image was made by a pan-Germanicist, R1b in Poland is of course Germanic but R1a in Germany and Scandinavia is 100% Germanic. :^)

>>75375594
We have more Neanderthal genes than everyone else in Europe. We're just too far away from te centre to have migration en masse, so we have older genes and a fairly wide distribution. Most of our weird genes predate a lot of civilisations because we're very insular.

Also, I am greek.

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>>75381285

only this is Germanic imo, r1b is italo celtic and r1a is slavic-baltic and indo-iranian

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>still e1b+J2
feels good being the master race

>>75381119
>here are much more I2a2a samples in Sardini

again, mind the Sardinian natives thank you

deduct from that, in the manner of Sherlock Holmes

>>75381138
They did'nt skp Romania, they have a good part of Slavic subclades themselves, not to touch even linguistic affinities. Magyars equally, a dominant nobility in their case still makes up for only a few % of the totaal makup of the population;

>>75381138
>Something like that must have happened to some degree because the Roman empire never reached Moldova, but it must have been something from which we have no written records.

You're alluding to Dacian-Getae late history? It is indeed one of the hardest fields of all European peoples in thiss age of phylogenetics to get a grasp upon. Hence I must admit I can't say much about their early history, it isn't cleared enough yet.

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>>75381426
False

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>>75381138
They didn't skip romania. Most simply continued south into greek lands, which were rich but depopulated by plague, and they advanced and settled all the way to the peloponnese. A lot settled here on the rivers and in the valleys, but for the most part the area was either subjected to raids or occupied for a long time by steppe nomads, so it was not a good place to settle. Meanwhile, the vlachs (ancestors of romanians) migrated out of what is today western romania and north-eastern serbia and practiced a semi-nomadic lifestyle, making homes half a year in the mountains or in the forests, and leaving for the plains to take sheeps to graze the other half. Eventually, the vlachs crossed the carpathians and the river Olt and settled among what slavs remained in what is now Eastern Romania, Southern Romania and the Republic of Moldova and mostly assimilated them. Based on linguistic science, it appears that vlachs began mingling with and assimilating the slavs in the 9th-10th century.

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But anyway why are we discussing haplogroups again?

If you want ubermensch phenotype indicators post northwest european autosomal maps. Haplogroups are good for tracing migrations of indo-european peoples but that's it

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>>75369040
Yet in spite of being 20% White, everyone still wants to immigrate to the US! Why is that?

>>75371483
Funny. I'm the sauce for that meme. If you search "butthurt belt of Europe" you won't see it earlier than 2014 or whenever I posted that.

>>75380459
The local messolithic people were handsome as fuck, dark hair and blue eyes, tall etc.

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>>75383011
They recently added a feature where they guess when your last ancestor of "British and Irish admixture," or whatever, was born. It was pretty accurate for me when guessing the B&I and French and German admixture. However, they claim I have a Scandinavian ancestor from roughly about 1840 and at least one black and one Jewish ancestor both born around 1810. According to them, that makes me 0.1% nigga. Strange because the Scandinavian they said was 5%, yet if you go back 30 years, the black is only 0.1%? I wouldn't have thought just one generation could make such a big difference.

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>>75382825
The geto-dacian were effectively gone by the 5th century. The ones that were not assimilated by roman colonists were assimilated by the ostrogoths and they migrated with them westward. The urban inhabitants of Roman Dacia fled with the legions, but the rural population retreated in the mountains and forests and adopted a semi-nomadic pastoral life. When Wallachia and Moldova emerged as independent states, the core of the population and infrastructure was situated in the mountains (North and northwest for Wallachia and west for Moldova).

>>75383706
sounds kinda pseudo scientific
what's this site about anyway?

>>75383868
interesting thank you, i always sensed that both getae and later "vlachs" carried a portion at least of former iranic nomads (amoxabii type sarmatians/roxolani/iazyges).

I'd love to dig up more.

why do they label these like this
history of europe goes far more back before there were any germanics, slavs etc
still mostly the present day europeans are the same people who have lived here since the ice age

>>75383960
It's bullshit for "muh heritage" types (mostly burger, as you can imagine) and widely regarded as being full of shit and good for entertainment value only.

>>75381686
so a North-African jew

gtfo

>>75382887
naah what you state as "germanic" is in fact celto-germanic

big difference

>>75384505
>J2
>Jew
Jew is J1

>>75383011
>autosomal

a meme

literally a combination of Y-DNA and mtDNA, and really (except if living in Latin America) who cares about females?

>>75383107
dream on

>>75384634
so, chechen churka?

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>>75384931
No Sicilian

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>>75384196
The iazyges persisted for a long time, in fact. They even created Jassy, which is now Iasi and is the regional capital of Moldova (The romanian part of Moldova that is). And considering that a lot of romanian girls (That I've seen at least) had somewhat eurasian steppe/asiatic features, I'd say that there was definetly some mixing involved. I don't know to what extent, since there's virtually no information about it and (Other than Iasi) the steppe migrators have left no traceable toponyms or family names, unlike in Ukraine and Hungary. I personally like to believe that after mongols shitter-shattered the cumans and alans, my horny ancestors took the now husband-less women for themselves.

>>75385056
fascinating, you live in one of the most interesting regions, lots of study material there, I'm sure we haven't heard the last of it

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>>75385854
A lot of it is speculation, unfortunately. Our history only begins in earnest after the mongol invasion because a lot of documents and information was lost due to their devastation of the area. But it is a blessing in disguise as well because the vlachs became militarized and used as border guards by hungarians to defend against subsuquent mongol attacks, and if it wasn't for them weakening everyone in the area, we would've probably never been able to create Wallachia and Moldova.

We also adopted the tatar bow and horse archer tactics from the mongols, which is how we've managed to win any battle.

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>Galicia

Not surprised.


Northern Portugal should just join them already.

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>>75387004
I honestly like how Galicia, Northern Portugal are always special snowflakes.

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ITT: People not understanding any of this shit

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>>75387395
A galiza é portuguesa desu

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>>75368765
I can't trust these maps, they lump in Transylvania with the rest of the country

>>75387718
You mean

"O norte de Portugal é galego".


We should have never conquered the South. Or better we should have never assimilated them.

We call it Kingdom of Portugal AND Algarves for a reason. They should have remained a colony.

Those pseudo-moors.

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>>75371645
Because it's a meme map
There is no Romanian ethnicity

>>75369816
This map is wrong as fuck

1% of czechs are Vietnamese
10%+ of Slovaks are Gypsies

DNA aside I would love to see a phenotype map.


But that's too hard I guess? I mean phenotype is what matters.

>>75383868
>geto-dacian
No such thing
The Getae and the Dacians were two different people
The Getae were never latinized, unlike the Dacians, who lived in modern day Transylvania

>>75387672
It's very simple, only a retard would have a tough time debating haplogroups.

>>75388093
Phenotypes aren't science, haplogroups are.

>>75387672
Great Benis :DDDD

>>75388204
this tbqh

>>75388109
true, although both carried an Iranic element I think, but that is partly merely judging from the same of the Dacian capital Sarmizegetusa

>>75389090
>from the same*

name

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>>75384505
>E1b + J2: so a North-African jew

Here 's one E1b (pic)

>>75390256
I also am a firm believer in national socialsim

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>>75388109
>The dacian capital was literally called Sarmi et Getuza (Sarmatians and Getae)

Of course, not the same people at all.

>>75389090
This. Scythians invaded and conquered all the carpathian lands north of the danube in the 8th-7th century before christ and left a genetic and cultural mark on dacians and getae and northern thracians.

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Y dna is only a small part of a person's dna, it's a line, father to father.

>>75387840
Historically, the moors were expelled out of all iberian peninsula. The reconquista was just retake/reconquer our european land again, since it was lost.

>>75368765
Haplogroups is a WEWUZ meme. Only autosomal DNA matters