>only America funded terrorists in the 80s

>>75362431
only America funded terrorists in the 80s

>>75362431
West Germany had their hands in some shit. You wouldn't think so given the cucked state of their country today.

All of the chemical weapons in the Middle East were supplied by German firms to saddam. Just think, 70 years later and they're still gassing people.

>>75362431
All those countries are literally American puppets

>there was a time when Pakistan had enough money to fund anything

damn...

>>75362431
Well from what Americans tell me on /int/ they fund Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. They are also responsible for the UK and Germany's economies being so good due to the Marshall Plan. China in the 80s ???? yeah I got nothin'.

>>75362515
How the fuck did they get away with that? With the U.S. practically occupying them.

>>75362523
Boy do I wish China was our puppet

Not all mujahadeen were terrorists.
The US never directly supported any of the terrorist organizations like the Taliban or Al Qaeda, who would go on to win the afghan civil war.

>>75363525
t. CIA nigger

>>75362535
The best is when seps blame Iraq on us as though the innocent, helpless United States just had no choice but to obey Blair and his pics of mobile weapons trucks

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>>75363525

>The US never directly supported any of the terrorist organizations like the Taliban or Al Qaeda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulbuddin_Hekmatyar

>>75362524
They never "funded" the muhajadin desu, they just funneled U.S weapons and Saudi money to them to get rid of the communists

>>75363677
>the CIA began funding his rapidly growing Hezb-e Islami mujahideen organization through the Pakistani ISI.
> through the Pakistani ISI.
This in addition to a quite distance CIA operation. The US was basically trusting Pakistan with the money and distribution of arms in Afghanistan. There were very few CIA agents inside of Afghanistan collecting information and making sure that the aid was going where it was supposed to go.

Throughout the entire war, the US only supported local afghan militias, not foreign jihadist fighters. As they were more religiously extreme and anti-western. Bin Laden being a foreigner.

>Hezbi Islami seeks to emulate the Ikhwan militia of Saudi Arabia and to replace the various tribal factions of Afghanistan with one unified Islamic state. This puts them at odds with the more tribe-oriented Taliban.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbi_Islami

There was a lot of splitting of groups, and side switching during the war. Some became extremes and other remained loyal to afghanistan and anti-communism.

This is really messy, and just pointing the finger at one guy, not even one organization or group is stupid.

>It was, however, a cardinal rule of Pakistan's policy that no Americans ever become involved with the distribution of funds or arms once they arrived in the country. No Americans ever trained or had direct contact with the mujahideen, and no American official ever went inside Afghanistan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden


Again, no evidence of DIRECT CIA support of terrorist cells.

>>75363857

Why are Americans such dindus?

>>75363866
Not an argument m8.

The US certainly isn't an angel.
But it get's the fault for so much shit, that after having proven that you are wrong, you get the impression that we are dindus.

Does anyone say the US didn't aid and funnel weapons into AFghanistan? NO.
The intenetions and operations are another thing.
Saying that the US willingly and knowingly funneled aid into terrorist cells is just arrogant shit. I know you like to think Americans are stupid, but even back then many were aware that aiding foreign jihadist was dangerous for future american security.

>No U.S. official ever came in contact with the foreign volunteers. They simply traveled in different circles and never crossed U.S. radar screens. They had their own sources of money and their own contacts with the Pakistanis, official Saudis, and other Muslim supporters, and they made their own deals with the various Afghan resistance leaders."

According to Milton Bearden the CIA did not recruit Arabs because there were hundreds of thousands of Afghans all too willing to fight. The Arab Afghans were not only superfluous but "disruptive," angering local Afghans with their more-Muslim-than-thou attitude, according to Peter Jouvenal.[16] Veteran Afghan cameraman Peter Jouvenal quotes an Afghan mujahideen as saying "whenever we had a problem with one of them [foreign mujahideen], we just shot them. They thought they were kings."

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>>75362537
The merchant always gets his way. In the 70/80s big German companies could do what ever they want, we sold G3s, Leo1s and other toys to half the planet, and if BASF, Bayer or Hoechst felt like selling chemical weapons they just did, because no one gave a fuck as long as the export was growing

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>>75362431
usa is the biggest terrorist organization in the world
Really makes me go hmm

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>>75363857

>Throughout the entire war, the US only supported local afghan militias, not foreign jihadist fighters. As they were more religiously extreme and anti-western. Bin Laden being a foreigner.

And yet the money never seemed to actually end up in moderates' hands (Massoud being the big one) and always in the jihadi's. Really gets my noggin joggin'.

>no evidence of direct CIA support of terrorist cells

No they just gave support and arms to people who they knew beyond a shadow of a doubt were using that support and those arms to fund terrorist cells among other things.

>>75363525

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalaluddin_Haqqani

>brits fund terrorists today

>>75364363
Brits made terrorists left and right. Theres a reason why Muslims keep bombing them.

>>75364023
>never seemed to actually end up in moderates' hands (Massoud being the big one)
Aid did Reach Massoud.
>The United States provided Massoud with comparatively less support than other factions. Part of the reason was that it permitted its funding and arms distribution to be administered by Pakistan, which favored the rival mujahideen leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. In an interview, Massoud said, "We thought the CIA knew everything. But they didn't. They supported some bad people [meaning Hekmatyar]." Primary advocates for supporting Massoud were the US State Department's Edmund McWilliams and Peter Tomsen, who were on the ground in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Others included two Heritage Foundation foreign policy analysts, Michael Johns and James A. Phillips, both of whom championed Massoud as the Afghan resistance leader most worthy of U.S. support under the Reagan Doctrine. Thousands of foreign Islamic volunteers entered Afghanistan to fight with the mujahideen against the Soviet troops.
The US wanted aid to reach massoud. And in many occasions, the CIA raised concerns with the Pakistanis, But it was either doing it with the pakistanis or not doing it at all.
So, they had to depend on the pakistanis.
>The CIA officers admired Massoud greatly. They saw him as a Che Guevara figure, a great actor on history's stage. Massoud was a poet, a military genius, a religious man, and a leader of enormous courage who defied death and accepted its inevitability, they thought. ... In his house there were thousands of books: Persian poetry, histories of the Afghan war in multiple languages, biographies of other military and guerilla leaders. In their meetings Massoud wove sophisticated, measured references to Afghan history and global politics into his arguments. He was quiet, forceful, reserved, and full of dignity, but also light in spirit. The CIA team had gone into the Panshjir as unabashed admirers of Massoud. Now their convictions deepened.—Steve Coll, in Ghost Wars

>>75364473
The US also eventually deposed of the taliban by allying Massoud's forces in 2001.
>Following the rise of the Taliban in 1996, Massoud, who rejected the Taliban's fundamentalist interpretation of Islam,[6] returned to armed opposition until he eventually fled to Kulob, Tajikistan, destroying the Salang Tunnel on his way north. He became the military and political leader of the United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan (also known in the West as the Northern Alliance). He was assassinated, probably at the instigation of al-Qaeda, in a suicide bombing on September 9, 2001, just two days before the September 11 attacks in the United States which led to the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation invading Afghanistan, allying with Massoud's forces. His forces eventually won the two-month long war in December 2001, removing the Taliban from power.

Everything points to US intentions of working with moderates, and supporting them.

It was the dependency on Pakistan, and the lack of control in the distribution of aid, that ended up with some of the "bad guys" getting their hands on US aid.

But once against, The US didn't DIRECTLY aid any terrorist in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan was the Syria of the 80s. The same terrorist supporters back then are at it again, deploying the same dindu propaganda as the americuck in this thread while propping up jihadi terrorists with Western weapons and training and Saudi funds to fight another ideological enemy of theirs.

I understand the shitbag elites who do this for the money but the apologists who buy into their words and actually defend their foreign policy of intervention and terrorism are the real cancer.

>>75362515
They were also supplying Croatia with weapons shortly before the breakup of Yugoslavia.

Germany! Germany! GERMANY!!

>>75362431
Except we didn't. Wikipedia is run by jews and yanks, so you can't believe anything they say.

>>75364433
Lmbo fucking stones in glass houses finnegan

>>75370349
>western germany supplied Croatia
>BEFORE the breakup of Yugoslavia
Croats bought arms from Russians, Ukranians and imported them via Hungary AFTER the breakup
took about 3 years to fully equip an army...

Only thing that came form Western Germany is cash (croatian expats, immigrants) and volunteers (croatian expats, immigrants)

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Fucking germans

Everyboyd knows that usa and uk funds terrorist groups but germany?

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>>75362515
>West Germany had their hands in some shit. You wouldn't think so given the cucked state of their country today.

I get Afghanistan since the Soviets and East Germans were involved in psy ops and terrorism in West Germany.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

(Stasi had KGB liaison officers so they were never completely out of Moscow's control)

>>75362535
>Well from what Americans tell me on /int/ they fund Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
We don't fund either especially SA as they have more money then God. We just sell them weapons.
>>75363654
I've never heard or seen an American blame you for Iraq. Sure the fucked up ME borders that grouped people who hate each other is you guys but we only Blane ourselves for Iraq.

>>75373834
>34 kills
>TERRORIZDS FUNDED BY KGBBBB

>>75373961
I said involved not funded. It doesn't matter if they were effective, the Soviets signed off on the Stasi creating a terrorist squad that killed West Germans.

>>75362515
we are vassals of the us you moron, we are not free at all.

murica dindu nuffins

we iz gud boiz