Muzzies of /int/, redpill me on Sufism Is it true that its the

>>75300132
Depends
If you are a cuck and are pro wh*tes, then yes

Sounds like surfism.

most here are Sunnis or ''''''cultural''''''' muslims. i'm Shia.

Still i find Sufism very interesting. they do have some practices that Sunnis consider wrong, like ancestor ''worship'' but to us Shias it's more acceptable

i do like Sufi, thought, though, being one with God and all that...

my favourite quote is from Rumi: ''I saw the galaxies and stars rotating, dancing in worship of the creator. So i joined them.''

>>75300179
>caring about whites

fuck them, Sufism has nothing to do with them.

>>75300241
Why are Romanians made of cultural Islamic particles

>>75300285
>Albanian education

i have no idea what you said.

>>75300132

Smoke hashish and dance like idiot and write lefty poetry.

>>75300502
>This mudslime in Hrvatia agian
KyS

>>75300502>>75300241


sounds pretty chill to me, why do other muzzies hate it so much?

dancing in circle is NOT an act of worship

sufi are kuffar, i say behead them all insh'allah

>>75300547

Its all haram,they even drink wine.

>>75300547
They aren't hated. Don't think there is any place they are persecuted. They are mocked by some. And considered ''hippies'' by others.

>>75300552
>The Algerian Wahhabi
I'm calling MACRON!

>>75300132
Its a form of Islam, edited by turkics so that the users could still keep their culture. Bektashis are a sub-branch of this, and a lot of Albanian historical figures are bektashis, starting with Frasheri brothers, Ismail Qemali etc.

>>75300648
dunno, everytime i see someone on 4chan talking about sufism, theres always shitloads of other muzzies shitting on it, i thought they hate it
>>75300722
>whats a bektashis

>>75300722
This completely ignores Iranian contribution to Sufism

It is NOT purely a Turkish thing, though they contributed to it greatly, no one denies.

>>75300749
>>whats a bektashis
Christian muslims

>>75300749
Eh it's kinda like triggering a leftists or hippie in a way. I do it sometimes to.

Bektashi is a Sufi Order, they have orders, not sects.

Sufism is when muslims go to india and discover their religion is actually shit so they alter it to accept hindu teachings

>>75300648
macron is not my president. He's a kafir and probably zionist as well. Dawla and Shariah not liberté and laïcité OK

>>75300795
>Christian muslims
excuse me?

>>75300795
hmm, i know relatively little of them.

Could you expend? What Christian practices/believes did they adopt?

>>75300828

Maybe branch with especially great appreciation towards Jesus as one of prophets.

I know Shia believe Jesus will come back to Earth and cleanse it when final imam emerges.

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>>75300961
>I know Shia believe Jesus will come back to Earth and cleanse it when final imam emerges.

Sunnis also believe Jesus will return. They simply don't believe in the Imans like we do.

Here's a billboard in the middle of Tehran.

>>75300961
i thought the KURan literally denies that Jesus is a son of God

>>75300622
>>75300547
according to hanafi drinking but not getting drunk (not losing your senses basically) is not haram.

hanafi is the best sect imho, even alawites have very shitty backwards stuff and somehow they are considered bros by europeans and shit.

>>75301078
It does.

But he is our prophet. The Quran, mentions him more the it mentions Mohammed, pbuh,

it literally says he will return in the end of days to fight the antichrist.
Sunnis believe this
Shias believe the Mahdi, the last Iman, will return as well, and they'll fight the antichrist together.

>>75301164
correct. Still even Hanafis think Wine, and other grape based drinks is haram

Beer is fine though as long as you don't get intoxicated.

They have nice music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl5fohd5jps

Can any turkbros can give a translation of the first song?

>>75300828
bektaşi's are alawites kind of specific to turkey

>>75301076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-nGzXj21fI

Actually in Frashëri's "Fletore bektashinjs" (Bektashis book) he writes that Ali is infact the personification of God, or practically the son of God. Bektashi's symbol is a sickle(the weapon that killed Ali) same as cross with Jesus. Fathers(bektashi priests) cannot marry, like catholic priests, and bektashis can also drink.

>>75301197
the modern day hanafi is dead in turkey, it kind of devolved into arab like islam etc. one ottoman sultan is famous of drinking too much wine and dying because of cirhosis for example.

according to hanafi wine or grape based drinks (rakı for example) are not haram at all. its all about losing your control over yourself, then it turns into "haram".

>>75301211
Shia songs are superb, thank i didn't knew of this one.
brought tears to my eyes.

>>75301278
very interesting, didn't know even grape drinks are allowed in hanafi.

>>75301269
many Sufi orders are somewhat Shia.

''Ali, ra, is the first sufi'' is a quote i read in a book once.

>>75301349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMcwBxLArSY&t

This one is my favorite

>>75300502
comfy

>>75301444
i know this one!
God i love the rhythm.

It's Islam the same way Mormons are Christian

>>75301278
>the modern day hanafi is dead in turkey
Sad really, the diversity of ideas was what i always loved about Islam.

don't give it up though, document yourself in it and teach it to others.

my father told me once ''if good men abandon religion and God, evil ones will feel the gap'', he was speaking of Khomeini, but it applies to any place i believe.

>>75301562
no.

Ahmmadyia could be considered Mormons.

>>75301424
i dont know much about religions but a friend of mine who kind of knows these shit says hanafism is about controlling yourself.

bektaşi was even easier considering its religious rules hence janissaries were raised as bektaşi's in general so that it would be okay when they were on campaign or someshit.

>>75301647
>hanafism is about controlling yourself.
in my studies i found this ''hanafism'' is the most logical school of thought.

anyone who reads the Quran and Hadiths, and reaches a logical conclusion it is valid.
''Every Hanafi is a scholar'', is a quote i loved.

>>75301606
there are pretty crazy religious ideas in turkey even though they arent really popular. like a pretty well known recently deceased religious scholar has books about islam is actually promoting deizm and it isnt really strict about its rules majority of the time.

also another scholar pretty much says islam promotes communism as well. too bad not much people read them.

This is a poem from Saadi Shirazi in farsi
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t9HEr_T74o

With my dying breath, I’m wishing for you.

I give my life in hopes I may be dirt on your doorstep.

Dawn of Judgment Day, when I lift my head from dust,

I rise at your word, I go searching for you.

When the beauties of both worlds convene,

I gaze only at you, enslaved to your face.

If I sleep a thousand years in the abode of nothingness,

I will awaken from timeless slumber, alert, at the smell of your hair.

I speak not words of sermon; I smell not the rose of Paradise;

I seek not the beauty of the nymph; I rush towards you alone.

I drink not heaven’s wine from the cupbearer’s hand.

What need have I of wine when intoxicated by your face?

>>75301732
Here, another muslim poem

>23
>laz
>short
>fat
>ugly
>dumb
>unemployed

>clean your room they said
I never did
>go get some bread they said
I said I don't want to
>get off the pc they said
I got off 15 hours later
>get a new haircut they said
I cut it myself
>go out and hang out with girls they said
I fuck my hand
>you're worthless
I cry
>shave your face
I shave my ass
>leave the house, go out
I go to toilet
>even kids speak better turkish than you do
>I'm gonna get rid of you soon
>you ate everything in the refrigerator again?
>I was working at your age
>He's your son, you tell him
>What should I say? He doesn't listen
>I don't want to see you like this
>your manboobs are bigger than mine

If allah exists, why hasn't he taken my life yet?

>>75301723
>too bad not much people read them.
this, goodness grace.

they aren't interesed in studies, but in blind believe, and politicians push this because it's easy votes.
the bastards who kill themselves don't know suicide is highly forbidden and they don't know they'll never get into paradise, and you don't get 72 virgins but 72 dates to eat.

Funny thing about communist. The PPP in Pakistan is socialistic their motto:
Pakistan our country
Islam our religion
Socialism our way.

funny, some islamists like AKP and Ennahda in Tunisia think capitalism is islamic, while others like PPP and Morsi were very left-wing.

>>75301785
kek, relax you autist.

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>>75301785
My favorite.

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>>75301723
Adnan is ultra aesthetic.

>>75301883
the commie scholar i said also once wrote islam is dead and buried next to ali when he died.

its i guess because, supposedly umayyad tortured and killed ali when they were to meet in kerbela. islamic scholars are extremely shit in general. too bad islamic theology died after abbasids.

>>75302081
adnan is a special case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvp1k9kY2sM&t=51s

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>>75302156
what the fuck am i looking at

>>75302117
you mean Hussein, Ali's son?
He died in Kerbela.

>>75302249
turkish version of islam

>>75302249
Greater Jihad

>>75302271
well i guess that one. as i said previously, i dont know much about religions.

>>75302156
E-X-A-C-T-L-Y

>>75301785
Lol

>>75300622
Drinking is actually not haram.

The quran recommends to avoid alcool because it can get you drunk and do stupid shit, but it doesn't forbid it. Sharia does but sharia is man made.