genetics

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>>75264616

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>>75264616
The German part linked to French are the Rhinelanders and the Franconians

Germans should give us back our Frankish brothers

>>75264616
What's the difference between a Lebanese Muslim and a Lebanese Christian

some assburger shit

We put genes into finns and shit. Made them into super humans.

>>75264616
Why arent iranians closer to arabs

>>75265686
the Muslim won the civil war

I don't think a chart with just two factors does have a substantive sense. It's rather a kind of a toy for expats.

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>>75264616
It's bullshit
Where are the Transylvanians? They have been proven to be an ethnicity

goo gl / kb699x

>>75265584
Rhinelander here, I dont want to even tho Napoleon gave us housenumbers.

>>75264616
>northern italians are closer genetically to moroccans than the average spaniard

padANOS on suicide watch seniores jajakakakaka

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>>75267286
Why are you so mean

>>75265584
Frankish parts are legitimately ours.

>>75266485
The first two principal component capture most of the differences/variation you yellow monkey.

>Swedish
eww take it off me!

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>>75264616
tfw Poles are closer to Swedes and Norwegians than to Russians.

I thought we will be more German though.

>That overlay with France

REEEEE.


Also putting all Spanish and Portuguese in a bag is not right.

There is a lot of differences North and South, East and West.

Gross, all those mixedc ountries, what's that map implying?

>>75264616
>>75264752
>>75267232

multiple correspondence analysis is shit

full SEM is the only way to work with gene agglomerations seriously

So Georgians and Cypriots are basically 100% Middle Eastern?

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what happens here

>>75270513
Dutch ?

I'm more interested in the Iberian/French Overlay and the Iberian/North Italian Overlay.

>>75270336
any data of this?

>>75270427
Answer me.

>>75264616
>Bosnian Serb LITERALLY within the Croatian circle
Ko nas bre zavadi

>>75270578
French and iberian overlaping is due navarrese and scatalans

>>75269571
>>75268645
For some reason it's only north swedes, when you split it up you guys arent close to regular ones

>>75270578
>>75269826
Stop being this triggered by our Pannonianess

>>75271039
Source?

where can i download this iteration of space invaders?

>>75271175
Lemme find the map

>>75264616
nah this is bullshit
i bet there's far greater overlapping with us there

>>75269826
To us yeah, but really we are one ethnicity, iberians.

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>>75264616
BIG CROATIAN COCK

WE CRAVE IT

GIVE IT TO US

MMHMMMM YEAH

>>75270970
This

It's infact "French" Basques overlarpping with "Spanish" Basques

Not sure about Vucktalan but perhaps they overlap Cuckcitan or perhaps they overlap with Nothern French

>>75271712
With the occitans desu, and the french catalans.

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>>75271175
I couldnt find the map but this study here http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016747 how the northern part of sweden is shifted towards finland while the south groups with brits and germans.

If you look at the most PCA maps there will be a few Swedish outliers that group near finland, but I did find one other map where a few swedes grouped near poles. It was more detailed and showed they grouped near Belorussians too, so they were probably east poles

>>75271283
But why? What does a random Croat from Zagorje, Međimurje, Istria, our islands have in common with a random Serb from the south around Niš?
Nothing.

I bet even Slavonia and closer regions... There were so many Hungarians and Germans here when we shared countries. And we did for almost 1000 years!

In Hungary, 2nd most common surname is Kovac, and 5th is Horvath

>>75272069
Eastern Polacks(now living in Western Poland) clustering with Russians doesn't suprise me. They were polonised Ruthenianas.

>>75272208
well i'm not talking about extreme cases, like north croatia and south serbia. overall we have the same mixtures if you look at haplogroups
i'm not trying to say that we overlap entirely, but little overlaping also doesn't seem correct

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>>75272339
I dont know. Even Vojvodina was full of Hungarians at some point, so I guess some Serb from there might have more common genetics with a Croat from Slavonia than with a Serb from the south. Same goes with Slavonian and Dalmatian

This is really fascinating to me. Just shows how nationalities are actually weak concepts. Wish we could all take DNA tests from the moment when we are young

Fun fact: In Croatia first political party was, horvatsko-vugerska stranka (croato-hungarian party) opposing the Illyrian panslavic movement

>>75272208
>In Hungary, 2nd most common surname is Kovac,

Actually, the second most common surname is Horvát.

>>75272744
yes, but even that map is inaccurate regarding us because Kosovo is also included in the final result and you know that it's majority albanian
but whatever i agree with you, at the end of the day there's no ethnicity in the world with "clean" genetics or whatever you call it, especially here in the small balkans where there were many ethnicities who later assimilated into today ones

>>75272818
you got croat'd

>>75272818
eh, ever source shows it different.
Lets say they are both in top 5

In Croatia, Horvat is the most common surname, while Kovačić is 6th, and Kovač 17.

Horvat is also the most common Slovak surname
and 2. or 3. in Slovenia

>>75272942
and Kovačević 4th
kek

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>>75264616
another one

>Sardinia

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>>75273578
What is point of putting portugal?
Theres nothing unique in portugal it is just a remnant of feudal politics.

>>75264616
Croats look very different from us, desu

>>75267559
Lamoing at "basically Austrian" polentazzi

>>75274607
>were people too tanned in your trip to our coast? kek
hm could be, this guy looks pretty German

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6VTiG1lt5M

>>75274664
>tfw not being an immigrant in Germany and getting free gouvernemnt welfare
sometimes I wish I were some dirty Syrian muslim

arent Croats like the biggest immigrant group in Bavaria? Do you know any Croats there?

>>75274816
>arent Croats like the biggest immigrant group in Bavaria? Do you know any Croats there?

They are not the biggest, but pretty big.
I know several Croats. Croats are very unproblematic as immigrants.

>>75274873
I've never heard anyone complaining about Croats thb, Turks and to some degree Italians are somewhat disliked

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>>75264616

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>>75275059

>>75274062
What's your point? portuguese cluster with spaniards for obvious reasons, then with north-italians, french, austrians, west-germans, south-english..............

The genetically closest pops in the world, to the portuguese:

Eurogenes
# Population (source) Distance
1 PT 3.63
2 ES 4.84
3 North_Italian 7.41
4 FR 8.04
5 Tuscan 12.59
6 AT 15.61
7 Cornish 16.71
8 West_&_Central_German 17.07
9 NL 17.43
10 RO 17.55
11 Serbian 17.67
12 English 17.99
13 HU 18.78
14 French_Basque 18.93
15 Orcadian 19.53
16 IE 19.58
17 Scottish 20.62
18 DK 21.06
19 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 22.6
20 NO 22.9

>>75273578
>France, Britain and Hungary

Now that's a thing

>>75275661
>19 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 22.6
damn

I've heard that Central Europeans have a larger genetic distance from negroids than poodles have from wolves. Is this substantiated by reputable publications and research or just a stormfag meme?

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>>75275661
>RO

>>75275795
Which Central Europeans and what did you mean by this.

>>75272208

Nothing a serb from Nis is genetically Bulgarian or Albanian

>>75264616

This map says that Romanians, Bulgarians and Albanians are on the level of whiteness like north Italians. It also says Portuguese and Spaniards arent genetically close to North Africans which they are.

>>75266278

They're closer to Arabs than they are to Europeans though. The map doesn't include poo in loos and Iranians are partly related to them.

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>>75267559
that's because you have higher WHG input, which pulls northwest on a west Eurasian PCA
too bad that won't override the African admixture

>>75264616
Intredasting. What should i learn from all these pics?

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>>75277917
>It also says Portuguese and Spaniards arent genetically close to North Africans which they are.

The suebic/visigothic rape compensated the later berber rape.

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>>75278135
That's the black admixture not the african in general.

>>75278321

Even worse.

>>75269826
Yeah is not right, you're mixed with blacks

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>>75278517
Well, according to Gedmatch I have 0% subsaharan admixture. I don't know how reliable is this map.

>>75278692

You're an exception, not the rule anon

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>>75278857
But I live in the orange area.

>>75278692
depending on the test it might be grouped under NW African, since the SSA in Iberians seem to be mediated by those

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>>75278135
That map it is not deep run's, those samples they incorpore north-african caucasoid, iberians score zero to noise SSA

>>75278980
I got 3% NW african and 0.45% poo in the loo

>>75273578
interesting how portuguese cluster closer to italians than to spaniards. one would expect it to be the other way around.

>>75279064
indeed, but the fact that at low Ks it is attributed to SSA rather than caucasian groups is still interesting
after all, it is perfectly in line with the high(by European standards) frequency of mtDNA L in Iberia

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>>75279064
Intredazting, Galcia got the highest north sea score in the Peninsula. Is there any study about northern Portugal?

>>75279174
Well, autosomal already debunked, those exagerations, and you can see.
mtDNA L makers have been found in all Europe, even in Norway, Russia and Uk, they only give you a line, And we have seen so much confusion and even disonesty about it, reaching to a point where non-native samples were taken.

btw, anyone knows who the fuck where the baltic hunther-gatherers and how can I have a 36%?

>>75279384
nothing is debunked, of course at higher number of clusters it's going to be more specific, but as I said, it is still interesting that at lower number of clusters it is attributed to SSA africa

and mtDNA L is found in Europe almost always at percentages of 0.x%, meanwhile in Iberia it even reaches 7.4% in Andalusia and 6.4% in Portugal

>>75279414
Goths probably, they absorbed a lot of Balts and Slavs.

>>75279414
what test?
might just be a proxy for WHG-EHG aka mesolichi European foragers

>>75279193
I don´t know.
North-sea in iberia is higher in galicia, portugal and catalonia. Portuguese samples are grouped together

>>75279504
hunter-gatherer versus farmer from Eurogenes

>>75279475
Galicia barely recevied visigoths, we got suebi

>>75279457
It was found in Norway,Uk, France, etc above 1%
And yes, autosomal debunked many of those myths about iberians. Iberians are europids, only cluster with europids, are far away of non-europeans, the berber levels % are small, and ssa tend to be none to noise levels.

>>75279597
Are all your ancestors from Galicia?

>>75279657
>It was found in Norway,Uk, France, etc above 1%
sauce?
Going by Eupedia(which sources all its claims), Norway is at 0.3% with sample size 628, England 0.2% with sample size 2333, France 0.9% with sample size 1216
Greece is even at 0.1% with sample size 996

Iberians of course are mainly Europids, but those signals are real, even if in fact mediated through some NW African population

>>75279746
Yes, afaik from the same small area in the north of Galicia for the last 400 years.

>>75279758
>some NW African population
most likely related to the early megalithic cultures, btw, I don't think it's recent stuff given its pattern

>>75279758
Norway n = 1/74 1.40% Passarino et al 2002
France 1.40% Gónzalez et al. 2003
British n=1/100 1.00% Piercy et al. 1993
Finnish n = 1/50 2.00% Sajantila et al. 1995
Tuscany n= 6/322 1.86% Achilli et al 2007
Slovaks n = 2/207 0.97% Malyarchuk et al.2006


mtDNA only gives you a line,and sometimes they cant even define it, where it came from.

>>75264616
>Kargopol Russians that closer to Erzäns
Northwestern Russia is Finnic

>>75264616
Wtf, going by that russians are european.
Were we mistaken in calling them asiatics all this time?

>>75271039
That doesn't make any sense at all.

>>75280007
very poor sample size on those, mine are far better sampled

still, the fact that those frequencies are much higher in Iberia and correlate with African affinity is certainly not a coincidence

>>75264616
Caucasian and middle-eastern part of this map is bullshit. Total and utter bullshit.

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>>75279832
>>75279746
>>75279826

I got 3% north african in FamilytreeDNA and I am half Spanish. I guess that means my mother (her parents were from Galicia) would have gotten 6%
My father is Volga German. I got haploshit I2a2

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aR1an Sintashta Warlord here

>>75280366
Here are the percentages:

# Population Percent
1 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 49.58
2 EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 30.49
3 CAUCASUS 6.48
4 W_SIBERIAN 6.14
5 BALOCHI 2.18
6 E_SIBERIAN 2.16
7 SW_ASIAN 2.03

>>75280264

explain

>>75280239
again? so you came here out of nowhere showing a ssa map, that in fact it was not real ssa, like we 've seen, playing disonest, what's your point?
like it was said before, iberians score some north-african caucasoid, small and near to zero ssa. all central, north and southeast europe scores west-asian via levant and no one cries about it.

>>75264616
How exactly are Georgians and Armenians white again?

>>75280312
do you know that those west asian, north african caucasoid in Europe is very ancient don´t you? pre-historic.

>>75280671

I imagine it must be that way, it would be counter intuitive for north west Spain to have more north african ancestry if the only origin of this one is the islamic conquest.
Must be some older coastal prehistoric contact.

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>>75280579
>again? so you came here out of nowhere showing a ssa map, that in fact it was not real ssa, like we 've seen, playing disonest, what's your point?
you don't understand what you are talking about if you think a different ADMIXTURE run with a different number of clusters is "wrong" because at higher K the results are different
it simply means it's mediated through north africans and not directly from africans, which we can all agree of course, since sub-saharans never moved in mass to Iberia

if it was caucasian though, then at lower K it would appear among caucasian groups
instead it doesn't
and in fact it's correlated with increased frequencies of non caucasian maternal lineages

>>75280671

also, the dna test isnt completely clear with those categories.
It also tells me I am 54% neolithic farmer, 36% prehistoric hunter gatherer, 10% metal age invader (steppe invader) and 0% non european.
That north african ancestry must be considered neolithic farmer, otherwise Id be 3% non european.

>>75280616

they arent

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pic related is better

>>75280836
M8, all recent autosomal analysies of iberians, on Dodecad or Eurogenes runs it consistantly shows 0% Sub-saharan and 5-7% North African, like you have in deep runs, always the same K15
>>75279064

I can show you my results.
sub-saharan only shows on low K runs, like this K3 run. West Eurasian is a completely useless label too.

However in bigger K runs we get a better picture of how populations are composed, because if the sub-saharan was real it wouldn't go away.

>>75280972
>non R1a
>Aryans
Wishful thinking of R1b rich Western Europeans

I never understood why some people are so obsessed with iberians, like this italian. Yes we are eurpeans, no, we don't score sub saharan or is zero point something.

>>75281598
We are pre-indo Europeans speaking an indo-european language. That makes you think.

>>75281598

There are two human races Iberians and Greeks. The battles fought on these image boards mirror the battles fought in real life

>>75281598
I care about the truth, I got nothing against Iberians. You are just in deep denial.

>>75282037

t. I am a Greek

>>75282037
so explain us, why it is always zero point some noise in iberians also zero point some in many other pop's, when you have nothafrcn samples:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19c_bZjUV_RouKyGyLHmMDw57WwAVabXFJOaso_gcuRE/htmlview?pli=1

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GWhNZcfTQ2hMSK9Ni1IqG7aXHB00SRE5L6ED2osPs9M/edit?pli=1#gid=0

if it was real it wouldn't go away.

>>75264616

What's the source of this bullshit map? How come Finns and Swedes apparently have no genetic affinity, even though Swedes have colonized Finland for centuries?

>>75282257

I believe the Swedes kept to themselves

>>75282037
t. panini

>>75282189
I already explained it to you countless times butt you keep confirming you don't understand what you are posting.
DNA doesn't "disappear", at higher K the software just finds a better cluster to explain some parts of your DNA than the direct sub-saharan cluster. This of course I'm not disputing, as there's no reason to have direct ssa input in Iberia.

But this doesn't mean that said parts of DNA can't be SSA in origin. It just means they are mediated through another population, in this case, NW Africans, who are notoriously carriers of sub-saharan admixture.

If it was caucasian, then at my k4 here >>75280836 you wouldn't see a green component, you would only see a blue one, and later at K15 you would see it as "north African".

>>75282301
t. Carmine Panariello

>>75267232

Dă-mi mai multe d-astea. How do I get involved?

>>75282309
of course, another possible explanation, which I find interesting, is that in reality what's being assigned as "sub-saharan" is in reality caucasian admixture in Africans, perhaps brought by those same farmers who brought R1b-V88 at high frequency in central Africa(R1b-V88 which was found in neolithic Iberia, btw), after all we are dealing with very small percentages

>>75282309
No, the you're wrong,the software just matches and computes by proximity, when he doesn't find north-african samples he put as ssa, when you have northafrican samples iberians don´t show ssa, that is called accuracy in deep runs that low runs can differentiate. It is known that iberians score some 4%-7% north-african, like all europe scores west-asian and whatever

>>75282975
>when he doesn't find north-african samples he put as ssa
and why do you think that is, lol? why doesn't it assign to any of the caucasian clusters?
I'm not saying it's not "north African", but north Africans aren't a monolithic diverged population of their own, they are a mixed population of caucasian and african origin, they aren't pure caucasians

you are just repeating the same thing at this point, I made my point

>>75264616
whoever made this fucking shit with no fucking evidence or sources to back it must be a massive fucking retard from /pol/

>>75282975
how could real ssa, became sudenlly mozabite berber? if it was real, both makers shoulld remain no matter what in all runs, in all of them like you see in morrocans. The ssa never disappiers of them.

>>75264616
Why is there no Danish

>>75283163
mozabite berbers carry SSA themselves
wheter they carry additional, perhaps more recent one, that isn't present in Iberians it's another matter
actually it makes sense since in any case this input in Iberia would be old and pre-Islamic slave trade, perhaps as I said before related to megalithic cultures(Funnelbeakers from Sweden also showed African signals)

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>>75283064
you were debunked, you start here, posting a map of a low run, of north-african calling it ssa, that is called a lie.

The point is - northwest African component is distinct from east african and from ssa.
The ssa present in the northwest african does not implies it's of negroid origin since some European mesolithic hunter-gatherers also had ssa contribution. Why do minuscules amounts of ssa appear in almost all samples of european nations ? that does indicate it can be of very old origin
Northwest African produces caucasoids since it's of caucasoid origin.

>>75283388
>you were debunked, you start here, posting a map of a low run, of north-african calling it ssa, that is called a lie.
>"lalalalala can't hear you"
whatever mate, good night

>>75264616
I would've thought French would have the most overlaps,

>>75280972
>Easterners
>Southerners
>no Northerners and Westerners

Can someone link me to a good resource for learning genetics. I see these haplogroup maps posted all the time, but other Anons have said autosomal DNA is far more important than Haplogroups.

Any advice for a noob?

>>75264616
this is a good start
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml