In a perfect world.

>>75148334
Why let that land go to waste?

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>>75148334

>>75148334
but the bodensee would leak out :DDD

>>75148373
So we can have sea access ;)

Rule Bohemia! Bohemia rules the waves!

>>75148334
Simbly butifel, but you could leave Slesvig-Holsten for Denmark

>>75148334
Transylvania is not independent
That world is imperfect

>>75148557
Remember that last scene from Valka z mloky when newts sank almost all Europe except for Czechia

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>>75148557
pic related my impression of czech sea access

>>75148334
men like me would not exist.

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RIGHT
BANK

>>75148918
the Czechs simply go crazy seeing sea:
>During a war between Poland and the Teutonic Order, some Hussite troops helped the Poles. In 1433, a Hussite army of 7,000 men marched through Neumark into Prussia and captured Dirschau on the Vistula River. They eventually reached the mouth of the Vistula where it enters the Baltic Sea near Danzig. There, they performed a great victory celebration to show that nothing but the ocean could stop the Hussites. The Prussian historian Heinrich von Treitschke later wrote that they had "greeted the sea with a wild Czech song about God's warriors, and filled their water bottles with brine in token that the Baltic once more obeyed the Slavs."[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussite_Wars#Beautiful_rides_.28Chevauch.C3.A9e.29

>>75149101
would like to live in the netherlands tbqh

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>>75148334
>>75149101
I demand Eastern Germany

>>75149101
>>75149558
Weird how you can get rid of any country in Europe without the map looking weird, except for Germany. Every map posted with it absorbed by other countries just looks wrong.

>>75149814
Germany wasn't even around when majority of countries existed.

You're this way because of video games.

>>75148334
yeah I hate Germoney too xdxdxd

>>75149871
Yeah but the Holy Roman Empire existed, which I know wasn't exactly a unified German "nation", but memes aside it may as well be considered Germany, especially later on in its history.

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>>75149101
There are some flaws here, like the most important temple of Svetovid (Arcona) doesn't belong to a Slavic country, also natural borders would be better - Poland would have less territories, only up to the Elbe/Laba, west of Elbe we wold have the Netherlands, France should take the Francophone part of Belgium, the Dutch would take the rest, Czech Silesia doesn't make too much sense since Silesia and Prague would be separated by mountains, Czechia should take more land in Saxony, especially since there are Upper Lusatians living there who speak a very Czech-like language (Lower Lusatian from Brandengurg/Bronibór is more similar to Polish, Also Bavaria should go to Austria, but aside of that it's a very good map, of course excluding that red menace in the east.

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>>75149941
They should return to their original borders if anything.

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>>75150098

you left out chechloslovakia

>>75149871
This is some strange meme, Regnum Teutonicum was a paralell structure to Sacrum Imperium Romanum, I won't describe those relations more precisely here, but that's a fact. Later the Holy Roman Empire "devolved" into the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (basically it meant that the empire lost its universalistic claims), and then this structure became more and more irrelevant, ultimately being abolished in 1806.

>>75150325
If so, they should fuck off to their original Teutonic Borders then >>75150098
>>75150134

>>75150467
"Original borders" is a bullshit concept. For most of Germany's history, Germans have lived east of the Elbe and the Oder.

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>>75148334
You're cruel towards our Ripurian brothers

>>75150556
Also Poles never lived west of the Oder, only other West Slavs did. So if Germany and Poland had their "original borders", there would be a massive no-mans-land between the Elbe and the Oder.

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>>75148334
leave Austria alone, they've done nothing wrong

>>75150556
>Germans have lived east of the Elbe and the Oder.
That's simply not true. And don't lecture me on Germanic tribes around Vistula, they were not Germans.
>>75150642
>Also Poles never lived west of the Oder,
You're sure about that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaxa_of_K%C3%B6penick

>>75150613
letting them sink would probably be less cruel

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>>75150788
I wasn't talking about the Germanic tribes. See pic related.

Also show me proof of a Polish state with a western border roughly equal to Germany's eastern border on the Elbe here >>75150134 where there was a significant "Polish" population living in the region between the Elbe and the Oder.

>>75148557
Ahoj!

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>>75151015
Very rude

>>75151072
>Ostsiedlung
>ethnic germans
Howling.
>Also show me proof of a Polish state with a western border roughly equal to Germany's eastern border on the Elbe
Polabian Slavs were tributaries of Poland. That's enough for a claim.
Also, they joined Poland during the rebelion against German rulers.

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>>75148557
underrated

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>>75151072
East Germany is slavic. South Germany is celtic (bavaria was part of the homeland of the Celts). North Germany is Germanic.

>>75151503
I don't get it.
So everything up to the Elbe is rightful Polish land because non-Polish West Slavs once lived there who had a loose connection to a Polish state for a short period of time, but nothing east of the Elbe is rightful German land despite having been part of a German nation (or German nation equivalent) for over a thousand years and has been populated by Germans for longer than it hasn't been?
Interesting.

>>>Ostsiedlung
>>ethnic germans
Not even going to entertain this

>>75151727
you sound like someone who loves to suck dicks

>>75151727
You're retarded, clinically.

There were no Germans here before Ostsiedlung. >>75151072
Even your own map says so, maybe if you bothered to actually learn german, you would know that.

As far as the other part of your rant goes. Rant away, I don't care

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>>75151712
Stop with this shit. They considered themselves German and despite many if not most of the German settlers being Germanised Slavs, many were in fact colonists. A simple look at a proper haplogroup map would indicate this, given that R1b is the majority in Eastern Germany despite being a small minority in Poland.

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>>75151845

>>75151802
>There were no Germans here before Ostsiedlung
No shit? That's my point. Look at the dates on the map I posted, if you have any basic mathematics skills you would be able to tell that that Germans have lived east of the Elbe for far longer than they have not.

Regardless, Poles never lived in large numbers west of the Oder, and definitely not right on the Elbe.

>>75151910
They may have been genetically close to Celts and Slavs, but they were still German.

>>75151910

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_toponymy#Germany

>>75151910
Transylvania is Celtic

>>75151960
>but they were still German
I thought this was a we *wuz* thread. As someone who does not know what a "Canadian" is, I'm not sure what a modern/new "German" is either.

weird black sea contraction

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>>75152013
It's all much more complicated, there were Germans in some sense, but they weren't what we understand as a nation today, the same with Poles. Still many institutions had "national" lists for students, so if you were a Czech student in Bolonia, you could choose you "nationality" (this was related to some benefits, so some students choose not this "nationality" they belonged too, but simply what was more profitable).

Another example - German lands slowly become more and more overpopulated so many poor or simply industrous people migrated to Polish princedoms/kingdom (depending on the period), just like many Algierians migrate to France that offer more possibilities. Sometimes those German immigrants started riots similar to those organised by immigrants in Paris each year, in those cases we may legitimately say about proto-national conflicts, the best example is pic related from wiki

>>75153355
>choose
chose
>belonged too
to

also sorry for other typos

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>>75151238
you set the tone

>>75148334
I wonder if the sea would be warm enough in Bavaria