>tonal languages

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>>75106569
>non-tonal languages

>>75106967
must be easy for you

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>grammatical gender

>>75106569
你生氣了嗎?

>acute accent

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>>75106569
Oui oui I'm a dumb frog

>>75107023
this is actually the retarded thing

>50000 symbols that all look the same

>>75107150
oh come on

not as hard as tonal languages

>>75106569
>half the letters in a word are silent

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>>75107196
wow, this

>a million exceptions and irregularities
>illogical grammar
Do you know which language I mean?

REEEEEEEEeeeeeEEEEEEEE

>>75107264
Every western language.

>>75107184
>"Mädchen", which means girls in German is neutral in grammatical gender
yeah nah

>>75107291
It's French actually.

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>>75107235
sang (blood)
sent (smell)
Sens (french)
cent (hundred)
sans (without)
cens (census)

all pronounced the same

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> ejectives

>>75107184
At least in tonal languages, the tone distinguishes words from one another (adding information). Gender doesn't add information, it's just more stuff that you have to learn.

>>75107361
*Sens is a french town

>>75107396
sure but you are at least sure to be understood if you have the wrong gender instead of saying a totally different word if you have the wrong tone

>>75107396
you dotn have to learn grammatical gender

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>>75107361

>have cold
>can't speak

Tonal languages everyone

>>75107317
So what?
Ein Mädchen steht auf der Wiese. Es pflückt eine Blume. A girl is standing on the meadow. *IT* picks a flower.

>>75107587
cute

>actually have a third, neutral grammatical gender
>use it for things that don't have a gender and don't use it for things that have a gender
Do you know which language I mean?

>>75107587
Grammar gender isn't bad as long as it has rules to be determined.
German gender is arbitrary and has to be learned for each noun separately. In other words an abomination. Why didn't you ordnung your language...

>>75107585
If tonal languages were that much a pain in the ass, they wouldn't exist. Your probably just retarded.

>>75107587
sounds strange that you puts it on subject instead of "she".

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>non-phonemic languages

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>>75107873
>agglutinative "languages"

>>75107873

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>gramatical cases

>>75107361
s'en

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>the more you far from Africa, the less phonemes you have
Hmm really makes you think.

>>75106569
>natural languages
absolutely disgusting

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>>75108526

>>75109357
beautiful

Honestly don't think I've heard a single Asian language that wasn't ugly as sin

>his language uses symbols to represent specific words and not an alphabet

>>75108526
Migration + increased education and formalisation...probably. Definitions of a language are rough when they're spread over various tiny communities with no records or underlying system/theory or standard education, over time as societies form, records become prevalent, people start thinking about shit, standardisation, etc. Then everything gets formalised and education increases. Which then reduces new phonemes forming naturally. Especially now, could you imagine new phonemes naturally arising and shifting a language in the modern world? Even dialects are dying in the wake of standards and globalism...

>>75107690
It wouldn't be very völkisch to make the language easier to learn for foreigners.
Not even third generation immigrants can get our language right. Feels good man

>>75109549
Phonetically? To be honest, Japanese sounds kinda nice. Such a shame that weebs made it into a language for losers.

>>75109609
You could argue that modern English's use of the Latin alphabet is a mixed system of alphabet and ideography. Due to lack of being phonetic and general inconsistency; a word could be considered both an ideogram and a collection of letters.

>>75109804
>weebs made it into a language for losers
lmao do you base your entire life off internet memes or some shit?

most relevant people IRL don't even know what a weeb is

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> non 100% phonetic ((((languages))))

>>75109913
Yes, I actually have Pepes in real life.

>>75109873
You mean how "I" and "eye" are pronounced the same, and you pretty much have to learn the spelling of words by heart because there's no logical rules? Never thought about it like that. English is actually a lot like Japanese in that sense

>>75109873
You could argue that but it's still far easier to learn especially for an outsider than something like Chinese writing.

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>singular/ plural/ uncountable
>use/ non use of articles
>consonant clusters with th sound

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>>75111065
> logographs

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>>75107196
>qu'est-ce-qu'il y a
pronounced keskia

>>75111559
i thought it was pronounced kesk-eel-ia

>>75111636
long ee is correct, the l is dropped

>>75107396
Grammatical gender can also distinguish words from each other.
For example the Norwegian words "ball" and "ball".

Thanks to the gender, we can know the difference, because one is masculine and one is neuter.
Place it in a real context:

en stor ball (a big ball)
et stort ball (a big ball)

Actually should have used a different word because English is actually a perfect example of how bad it can end. One of the words means a spherical thing you can throw and kick when you play with it, and the other is a dance party.

>>75107396
it adds context

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>no dual grammatical number

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>no free word order

>>75112314
That sounds like hippy bullshit, mikko.

>>75111955

scandinavians talking about big balls

idk why i expected anything else

>>75112414

Afraid to think for yourself, babylon's tooth?

>he doesn't have at least 14 grammar cases
point and fucking LAUGH

>>75113009
for what purpose, genghis

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>guttural sounds

>>75115707
>not wanting your lang to be as systematic and sensible as possible
as expected of mehmet

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>languages with no vowel harmony

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>Hanzi

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>his language cannot translate "cogito ergo sum" with only 3 words

>>75107396
It does. If you mention two objects of differing genders, you can refer to any of them with just the pronoun and no further specification.

I'd prefer if they'd not exist though so languages would be easier to learn

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> don't consider w as a vowel letter

>tfw you have no idea what the fuck all of these notions mean

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>uses w for anything but loanwords

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Uses the letter 'k' at all

>>75117880
ok

>>75116786
"Ajattelen siis olen"

>>75107317
That's because all diminutives are neuter in German.

>>75116786
Mыcлю знaчит cyщecтвyю

>>75108526
There are languages in North America and the Causasus with over 100 phonemes as well.

>his """""language""""" doesn't capitalize nouns
SMS lingo tier

>>75107053
对,他一定很生气。

>>75107150
In Italian 99% of the nouns gender is based on how the word ends.
It's really easy.

>>75107361
>all pronounced the same
I can tell you how you can communicate with people using only one word "Fuck" in Russian.

>>75109873
Oh hey Lindybeige, when did you move to Australia?

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I didn't know our language is tonal language until now

>>75118728
How can you use 14 or 16 cases?

>>75118311
>his """""language""""" has capital letter

>>75118866
Dunno, everyone just learns them as child.

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>>75109974
this

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>his language has definite articles

Being a retard, I don't know what a tonal language is. What type of language is Danish? What about English? French? Chinese?

>>75119005
It doesn't work with English, I know it from experiance.

>>75119150
Tonal language is a language in which the meaning of a word can change entirely based on what tone of voice you use when saying it

>>75117880
cec, fuccing this. Talc about a waste of time.

>>75119289
english is fucc

>>75119289
The correct thing to do would be to remove the letter 'c' from the english language.

>>75118866
slavic "cases" are not the same as the "cases" in agglutinative languages like Finnish and Hungarian

>>75119289
getting rid of c instead is a much better idea, though
replase it with k/s where applikable and you're left only with digraphs, like the ch in church

>non agglutinative languages
>gender

>>75119150
Mandarin Chinese is an example of a tonal language, it's yet another reason why it's so hard for people to learn Chinese.

>>75119974
>barking "language"

>genders
>things not written as pronounced
>cases

>>75120008
the inverse is true, too
Tonal language natives' intonation in non-tonal languages tends to be shit, putting random tones on every syllable

>>75118866
also the cases in agglutinative languages are essentially suffixes and tend to be the same for all words or
only have very small changes caused by vowel harmony

>>75120161
>caseless "slavic" "language"

>>75111559
I never managed to write this correctly. Who came up with this?

>>75118628
>words ending in "e"

>>75120787
well it makes sense if you think about it
what is it that there is

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How are songs written in tonal languages? Is the melody composed to fit the tones of the lyrics, or are they ignored?

>languages with sounds

>spoken languages

>languages

>>75106569
Tonal languages develop because the "people" that speak them don't have any emotions to convey.

>>75131708
how did you come to this conclusion

>>75131892
decades of research in the field

>>75109742
Third generations cant get anything in life though