*blocks your sovereignty*

>country joins willingly
>can leave anytime
>this is evil oppression USSR dictatorship

>>74972216
t. Angela

>>74971970
literally havent got a clue about their purpose

>>74972216
Oh fuck off.

>>74972227
>>74972235
Nice arguments. You sure showed him.

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>>74972235
>the butthurt

Seriously though, if you don't like it you can leave. I don't see what the big deal is.

seriously though, please respond

All these Queen's slaves are jealous of our union

>>74972315
jolly cooperation XD

>>74972315
Imagine traveling/transporting goods from Denmark to France through the Benelux countries and there are 4 border checks (Denmark->Germany->Nederlands->Belgium->France) and each time you'd have to line up to get your passport checked and then pay customs duty on all the goods you are transporting.

The EU creates common standards and regulations on these things and gets rid of border checks and tariffs/customs and many more things that normally hamper movement between countries.

For instance I could also learn Spanish and then settle in Spain if I find work there and I can live in Spain as an EU citizen and don't have to apply for the equivalent of a green card or a visa or anything.

Without the EU all those agreements between countries would fall apart

>>74972477
Australia and new Zealand have freedom of movement without binding our countries into a union of any sort

>>74972501
you see, there are more than 2 countries in europe

>>74972501
You only have a free trade agreement with New Zealand which is different from a common market.

Another example of a common market is the ASEAN reagion and they also have a supranational entity similar to the EU to manage it.

>>74972530
yes, possible to negotiate freedom of movement between two countries but impossible for nine, the amount Germany borders
only solution is an intranational organisation costing billions of dollars and a full monetary union

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*opens your borders*

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>What do you mean only Poles came from the EU and all the shitskins came from the commonwealth?

>>74974551
>only Poles came from the EU
You mean """""Romanians"""""""?

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>>74974594
"What do you mean Most EU states delayed free movement of people for the first 6 years of the EU-East expansion except for the UK?"

>>74972477
Schengen is a separate agreement from the EU you filthy lying Krautcuck, kill yourself

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>>74974624
>except for the UK

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>>74974724
"What do you mean it was the UK that supported the Eastern states being in the EU to begin with?"

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>>74974551
Sorry, UK

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>>74974769
>British government
>acting in the best interest of Britain
Pick one m8.

>>74972216
>you can leave anytime
>you'll just have to pay us 50 billion euros :^)

>>74974551
Post the factually accurate one in which UK is standing aside while the rest are being run over by a peace truck.

>>74971970
Isn't the EU amazing for (small) business owners though

Access to 28 countries instead of 1 yasss.

>>74972477
>what is tir cargo

Unity makes strength. Maybe I say that because we are irrelevant shithole but bulgarians as a whole try to live up to the european meme dream.

there seem to be another flag on yours straya, what is it?

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>>74974924
yes, bulgarians are white and european!

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>>74972216

Looks like Brussels' paid shills are working overtime

>>74971970
Still better than a foreign queen

>>74972593
You do realize that alone would be 45 separate trade deals between two countries to connect just 10 countries?

I honestly don't care
It's not like I have power over anything anyway

>>74971970
>*blocks your sovereignty*
>*throws sovereignty at him willingly*
Ha! Now i am a part of you! Check mate EU, you are stuck with Bulgaria...FOREVER!!!

Let this sink in a bit...

FOREVEEEEEEERRRRR!!!

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>>74971970
*blocks your sovereignity*

>>74974924
>Unity makes strength.
>Bulgarian coat of arms was EU before the EU was a thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Bulgaria

kek

Hello

>>74974769
We were behind the push for Turkey to gain entry as well. Some 90% of our complaints about the EU were down to our own actions.

The French were right to try and keep us out. They knew exactly what we'd do.

Test

>>74972216
USSR > EU

>>74976023
t.ivan

>>74976038
Eurasian Union > European Union

>>74976057
>Eurasian Union
>Union
kek

>>74976057
This
EU + Mongolia, India, Pakistan, Russia, Japan, and Korea

>>74971970
>Blocks your sovereignty
Its referendum time lads.

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>>74971970
eu: please stop spending more than your earn, or we will have to stop lending you money as we are all aware that you'll never be able to repay us.

nationalists: and heeere comes the 4th reich, we need to free ourselves from this oppression

>>74976127
>india
>pakistan
At least chinks can pass as white if you're drunk.

Also is there anything going in Mongolia? All I know is that they WE WUZ Chinkis Khan.

>>74976687
More like:
EU: Please stop spending the money we gave you and knew beforehand you were going to spend like a little child and could NEVER, EVER repay us.

In Greece both are at fault. Germany for willingly tricking Greece into being their slaves for eternity and the greeks for falling for it.

>>74977100
>going to spend like a little child
all the money went to german banks and they still earn money from those credits
subhuman german propaganda was very successful

>>74977035
Mining and Dayyar Mongol

>>74971970
I live a happy life as EU citizen.. Why is EU a problem for an Australian again?

>>74977035
You try doing anything when you're stuck between Russia and China.

Canada and Australia should join too...

>>74976687
This is pretty fucking rich coming from the biggest tax and spend member state in the union
PS Shove CAP up your asshole frog

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>>74972216
>can leave anytime
more free than US states. if they try to leave, they will be branded as rebels and invaded.

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>>74978419
>Why is EU a problem for an Australian again?
It's their strategic imperative. Australia hates European projects even more than russia

>>74972216
>can leave anytime

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>>74974551
>what do you mean the EU won't collapse and USA won't be able to do abusive trade deals with individual unprotected countries?

>>74977100
>EU: Please stop spending the money we gave you and knew beforehand you were going to spend like a little child and could NEVER, EVER repay us.

Stop infantilizing fucking states

it's not germany's fault if greece decided to not ask its people to pay their taxes while spending billions on infrastructure and social welfare

>>74974849
Have you ever left a club that has a membership fee? If it is in the contract, that you pay until your membership is terminated and it takes you 2 years to terminate that membership, then yeah, you pay those 2 years worth of membership fees.

>>74978798
Mmm, butthurt dixiefags

>>74974849
>i want access to EU subsidies
>i also want access to the european common market

you have to pay for those services

As far as I know the EU wouldn't be such a problem without Germany pushing for millions of migrants to flood Europe, and the lack of transparent democratic representation.

>>74972563
ASEAN is nothing like the EU. Member states retain full sovereignty.

>>74979364
what if your mom signed you up for that membership. i dont ever recall having any say on joining the eu.

>>74974875
No.
Compétition from 28 countries.

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>>74974875
What happened to Italy then?

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The EU is necessary and good. Germany is a powerful country in the middle of the continent (not on the periphery like the UK). Germany has economic and security interests that extend beyond its borders, and the means to exert influence beyond its borders. It will do so. The EU is a way for them to pursue their interests through non-military means.

>>74976127
>Pakistan, India
Wut

>>74979533
>i dont ever recall having any say on joining the eu
And that's why you get to vote every other year for people who can leave this union. But a system change always costs.
If you were to vote for a party, that wants to throw away all trade agreements (not EU in this case) and change your entire constitution, this would be pricy for the nation as well. And I doubt, you had a say in your nations basic constitution as it is right now, did you?

>>74979533
Stop dignifying his retarded analogy. The EU isn't like a gym and there is no "membership fee".

>>74979533
>People are blaming Germans for importing muslims but they don't blame their own country for entering the EU
Pretty hypocritical

>>74972216
Correct.
The UK is the unjust union, not the EU.

>>74979693
i wholeheartly blame our politicians for their retarded decision of not holding a referendum on joining both eu and euro

>>74979533
>muh social contract
No.

>>74979728
So well you should. It really is worth a referendum.

>>74979479
Migration is a badly handled problem by all sides involved but at least Germans are trying. but it is not a vital EU problem, we make it to be bigger than it really is. We vote our representation into EU parlament same way you do. System is far way of being as effective as it could be, but well, we chose people responsible of maintaining it..

>>74979698
Dumb taigposter

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>>74971970
*takes your cash*

>>74979757
>we chose

No we did not. EU commission is unelected.

>>74979758
>one and a fifth of a country are only in it because of invasion
>the other one is basically there for the same reason Greece is
>the EU has done more for Ireland in 40 years than England and the "UK" did in 800

>>74979681
I mean it's an oversimplification and I never said gym. I said club, because a club is usually run by its members and not by an organization like a gym.

So you apply to join a club, that grants you certain rights and privileges, but you have to adhere to certain rules and pay for certain things.

Tell me, how the EU is completely different.

>>74979821
Ireland is a tax haven that got bailed out by the UK when it was collapsing

Ireland is a parasite of the USA/Europe. So is the UK tbf.

>>74979798
>EU commission is unelected.
The EU commission is comprised of ministers from the elected governments of the nations. It's not directly voted but indirectly.
Now, I'm on board with you saying, that it should be voted in directly, but saying it is not elected at all, is a stretch.

>>74979821
You realise Scots had a vote and said no despite you and your kind's very best at stirring up horrible sectarian bullshit again? No one is holding a gun to their heads.

>>74979884
>Ireland does something to make money
>Spain does nothing and is the only big country that relies on welfare
Don't throw stones from your glass house.

>>74979798
every country delegates a comminisioner, from their government

are you stupid pedro?

>>74979889
The EU commission is undemocratic by design. In no way is it elected.

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>>74971970
Mot much longer

>>74979951
Next time we will let your nation collapse.

>>74979954
And therefore they are not elected.

Are you retarded?

>>74979958
The members of the commission are designated by your elected officialls. You elected the people who put the commission into place.
It's the same way your government decides who becomes what minister for which branch.

>>74979945
>You realise Scots had a vote
200 years of brainwashing and appeals to status quo economic interest influenced the most recent vote, which wasn't what I was talking about.

>horrible sectarian bullshit again
You started it, and if you really dropped it, Northern Ireland would be part of Ireland.
And truth be told the case for Scottish independence isn't dependent on religion. Scottish protestants are shit-tier compared to the historical basic-bitch Anglican, but that doesn't change the fact that Scotland was once and should rightly be considered a different nation from England.

>>74979958
There is no way to convince you, is there? Is direct democracy the only true democracy that would pass your standards? Than there are no democracies at all. Maybe Switzerland is the closest to it.

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>>74974594
>Romanians
No such thing

>>74979985
If you tried we'd probably enter a new golden age.

>>74974874
but that literally happend to the UK aswell

Not giving the lying taig another (You). Yeah, we started it (like it's a playground fight), despite getting along perfectly well with Scots until the SNP magically started playing to the Glasgow Irish crowd and coincidentally started tweeting IRA shit about dead Scottish soldiers. Jog on, might work on the Europeans who don't know better won't work on me. Go fetch your EU bennies bag for the month.

>>74977035
Don't insult your ancestors like this

>kill multiple Scottish revolts for fifty years after "union"
>massacre entire families and transport survivors into poverty so landowners can make more money
>This is getting on well to the *nglo

Go fetch Ahmed's bennies Nigel.

>>74979533
Who is UKs mom?

>>74979309
Yeah, we're such an enemy of the EU man. It's not like our president got on the international stage and pushed for Britain not to leave or anything.

Everything bad that happens to Europe is some convoluted Burger plot to keep you down.

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>>74971970
>sovereignty

>>74980008
but you elect a party who form a government? the comminisoner represents the country and considers its interest the most? hello?

underaged polkiddies shouldnt be able to post here

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>>74978798
Sherman did literally nothing wrong

>>74980074
huh interesting.
Transylvanians are hungarian, Moldavians are northern mountainpeople and Dobrujdan are coast-romanians while Wallachs are Bukarest southeners?

You could speak about romanian peoples then..

>>74980116
I'm a different guy from before, but it's pretty obvious that the Scots want the fuck out of the UK. I know people who only voted to stay in before because they were worried about losing their EU membership, and the Brexit results in Scotland clearly reflects this. English people need to stop being so ignorant and realise most people don't want to remain under the rule of their invaders.

>>74980323
The only foreign country that was proven to finance anti EU movements is Russia. but it can do so cause we, the EU let it, so it's really on us.

>>74971970
*reeeee in french*

>>74980323
When you are powerful and influencial, others will blame you no matter what.
We recently had to make similar experience

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>>74980409
>Transylvanians are hungarian
Wrong.

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ITT

>>74980411
You're smart, I like you

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>>74974638
Wrong
However, in 1999 they were incorporated into European Union law by the Amsterdam Treaty, while providing opt-outs for the only two EU member states that had remained outside the Area: Ireland and the United Kingdom. Schengen is now a core part of EU law, and all EU member states without an opt-out which have not already joined the Schengen Area are legally obliged to do so when technical requirements have been met. Several non-EU countries are included in the area.[3]

>>74979309
This is kinda inaccurate.
France and Italy eventually will have to abandon the euro or the EU entirely. Their economies' anemic growth cannot cover for their troubled banks, unempoyment and rising debt.

>>74980541
Doesn't that also hold true for the euro? Which is the reason, why Poland and Hungary purposefully don't meet the requirements to join the euro? I think I read about this somewhere once

>>74971970

*sovereignly votes Leave because no sovereignty*

psssh...nothin personnel...junker

>>74972216
this

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>>74980304

>>74980027

doesn't matter, scotland and the scottish voted no

>>74974638
schengen and free movement are different. free movement is a pillar of the EU, one of the basic freedoms. schengen is just dude no borders n sheit xDDdD if we're going to have free movement of people anyway

we had to have free movement, as did every EEA country but we didn't have schengen

>>74980589
Poland and Hungary(Czech Republic etc.) are obliged to join the eurozone on meeting convergence criteria

>>74980074
>greek and romanian next to german
>croat next to pole
>russian closer to pole than belarusian
great "pca"

>>74978974

god bless australia

>>74980848
It was Ukrainian prankster

>>74980589
oh lad we are so fucking far from meeting those criterias even if we stopped eating it would still take years to join

>purposfully
oh i wish we would have that luxury

>>74978798
>try to steal land from the republic
>wahhh why won't they let us leave?!

you're free to leave, but the land stays.

>>74980667
There'll be another one. And another one after that if it fails. That's the way these things go.

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>tfw edgy teenagers don't remember how shity this counrty was before joining UE

>>74981001
Sounds like the EU. Keep having a referendum until you get the result you want.

>>74981015
This is the most pro eu thread in a while

>>74981015
thats what 3rd world fall for. beware of those retards

>>74980323
>USA president is openly anti-EU
>migrant crysis directly caused by US bombings
>half of america brainwashed to blindly hate the EU
>"we're your friends guys"

>>74980410
Anecdotes don't matter. Opinion polls have consistently shown since the referendum that Scotland would vote No again to independence.

Whether that remains the same post Brest is a different matter, but for now Scotland is Pro Union.

> English people need to stop being so ignorant and realise most people don't want to remain under the rule of their invaders

Even Scots who are perpetually dressed in Kilts wouldn't call the modern English "invaders". This hyperbole is why it's hard to take any Irish opinion on British politics seriously.

>>74980323
>Everything bad that happens to Europe is some convoluted Burger plot to keep you down.

Reminds me of how Iraqis/Iranians/Syrians always blame the US/the West for their shitty countries.

>>74981064
It's the inevitable way of democracy.
A referendum is only decisive when it's two forward-looking worldviews competing for dominance. When it's one forward-looking worldview versus a moribund status quo held up by fear and comfort, the former will come about again and again until the impetus for it is gone.
Ironically Brexit gives Scottish independence more impetus.

>>74981286
>Even Scots who are perpetually dressed in Kilts wouldn't call the modern English "invaders"
That's your anecdotal evidence.

>This hyperbole is why it's hard to take any Irish opinion on British politics seriously.
Just one more reason why the "British" myth is so pernicious: you see no problem pontificating on politics on the other side of the world while complaining about countries discussing their neighbours and their shared history.

>The European "WE WANT TO BE USA 2.0 SO BADLY COME ON GUYS JUST ACCEPT BIG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT" Union

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>>74980411
If only we had eurosceptics who dont cuck themselves out to the russians. Fucking "Nationalists" like pic related are just as cancerous then the commis.

>>74981735
(you)

>>74979589
Do they factor in job growth with those graphs?

Bonjour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCSWzt56CC0

red is shit

blue is better

>>74981735
No one wants to be the US, trust me.

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>>74981735
wew

>>74981735
That's not so far from the truth but krauts fucked it all up again.

>>74979260
the uk left didn't it?