I didn't realise so few cunts have compulsory voting

>>74899473
It should be compulsory, but half the people wouldn't be able to locate a school.

>>74899473
Compulsory voting is commie tier, just look ol' Kim up there

If you don't vote you have to pay a 2 dollar fee and justify it. If you don't do it you basically become a non-citizen

literally what the fuck is the point

the average person who stays home on election day has nothing valuable to contribute to public political debate and wouldn't know what the fuck they're doing when voting anyway

>>74899473
It's something some parties in Estonia want to enact but we've been ruled by neocons for the past 10 years. We'll see if it crops up again during the next elections in 2019.

>>74899526
Your most recent election had a 58% turnout though, that's pretty bad imo.

>>74899526
You can vote in blank, or void it if you don't feel like making a choice. At least here

>>74899566
How is that bad, it just makes my vote more important.

>>74899526
This.

>>74899573
Yeah you can do that here too, draw a dick on there if you like. There's nothing on your actual ballot that identifies you.
>>74899579
Only 58% of the population actually did something productive about the election. How many of the people who went out and protested afterwards do you think actually voted?

>>74899615
there was a facebook group with people anonymously uploading pics trying to put retarded shit on their envelopes
there was the classic random LEAF, salami slices, a guy putting talcum powder and writing "antrax inside" on it, etc
the employees that count the votes say there are usually a bunch of those shaddy envelopes, but they don't give a shit and open them anyways

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>>74899710
Kek

>>74899615
So what? I might not like the current options (like in most elections, it seems like you're choosing the better candidate in a sea of piss) in indirect democracies or simply not know or care what to do with my vote. Voting should be a right, not an obligation.

>>74899774
>he wants a democracy ruled by 10% of the population
kys

>>74899774
That's the thing though, it's not as if the people I'm referring to hate both candidates, they hate the one that won the election. If you really can't choose the better candidate just fuck with the ballot. The people who protest Trump but didn't vote have no right to complain.

>>74899784
Would you sincerely trust the future of your country on illiterate favelados who base their vote on charisma and givsmedats?

>>74899829
yes, since they are part of the population. We need to raise everyone to a decent level, not raise just those that are already rich. That's the main thing most developed countries did prior to industrialization

>>74899566
A large percentage of the 42% who didn't vote were people living in uncontested states. There isn't much of a point in going out and voting for Clinton in Mississippi or for Trump in California if everything's already a done deal in your state.

>>74899858
If 42% of the population have no effect on the outcome of an election something is broken with your voting system.

personally I think that voting should be the opposite of compulsory, like you should have to pass a test and jump through hoops to do it

if the only reason you are voting is to avoid a fine then you obviously have no interest in or knowledge of your civil duty and the functioning of your government

>>74899845
Most developed countries didn't have universal voting when that happened, some weren't even democracies
>>74899805
That I can agree with.

>>74899473
that's because it's fucking dumb, the rest of the world isn't completely insane

>>74899922
>like you should have to pass a test and jump through hoops to do it
Because that wouldn't be open to abuse would it?
Labour would want every voter to have been part of a union and the Libs would want every voter to be landed gentry.

>>74899908
There are also senate and house elections on both the federal and state level, gubernatorial elections, and state ballot referendums which they very much could have an effect on, but choose not to because they either admit political ignorance or are lazy shits. Trump vs. Hillary was not the only thing on the ballot. I'm only explaining why they don't.

>>74899946

no i don't mean the parties get to set the hoops

like there is a multi choice test and you have to fill out a ton of forms to register or something

now you're going to say that's discriminatory against the poor and uneducated but do we really want them voting based solely on the tv commercials they saw and the people shouting at them in the line of the polling place?

because if they're only there to avoid a fine that's how they're voting

>>74899946
>implying forced votes from irrelevant people isn't also abused by populists
if you don't own land, pay a wage or salary, have not done any public service, or have below average iq, your opinion of your own country is irrelevant

>>74899945
this, people who don't give a shit about politics having to vote undermines democracy, it doesn't enhance it

>fugg the gubmint will fine me if I don't vote, better get it over with
>1. Islamic Party of Australia 2. Feminist Initiative 3. Greens 4. Coalition, etc

>>74899967
>I'm only explaining why they don't.
Fair enough. I've always thought presidential systems are stupid.

>>74899932
>Most developed countries didn't have universal voting when that happened, some weren't even democracies
yes, but the first thing they needed to do for industrialization that to happen was actually reallocate the agricultural mentality to the urban/industry mentality which needed first to give working conditions to the poor ex-farmers. Most Brazilians that live in poverty, which most of them are in the country-side, non-urban places, actually vote for the people that wants to industrialize the country and create national companies that cater for that farm/urban mentality, while the ones that rich vote actually want the destruction of national industries and the replacement of it for foreign industries that want simply to easily make cash and exploit commodities for their industries in other places. Hence why universal vote works here

>>74899985
>>74900014
The problem with that is people without a say introduces civil unrest, it incentivizes them to be against the state as they have no part in it.

>>74899473
compulsory voting is a meme anyway
in my country doesn't matter what party gets in power, all of them are gonna rape the people and steal as much money as possible
i had to go to vote 2 times in my life already and it's the most annoying thing to lose a whole day knowing it has no meaning and nothing will change

>>74899496
North Korea is about as communist as National Socialist Germany, buddy.

>>74899945
>>74900017

Idiots, it forces politics towards the centre and diminishes the power of special interest groups.

Voting is a responsibility not a right, it stops (bigger) dickheads from getting into power.

>>74900075
>lose a whole day

It takes like 10 min to vote here. How does it take you an entire day?

>>74899473
it's a bad thing because without compulsory voting, bydlo won't vote.

>>74900295

Only dickheads enjoy politics. The more likely somebody wants to vote the more likely it is they are a dickhead. Normal healthily adjusted people don't vote because they enjoy it, they do it because they have to for one reason or another.

>>74900283
well yeah, that's cuz im lazy i never changed the "district" where to vote so i have to travel a bit

and yeah, its not the whole day, but a whole morning and that's too much to lose for something useless

>>74899473
What happens if you don't vote in Australia?

>>74900339

Fine

>>74900070
they vote for bolsa familia only and don't care about nothing

>>74900332
Do you need to show up in the city you're registered to vote?

Here in Brazil all you have to do is go to the nearest vote place and sign a form.
I never changed my voting place either.

>>74900242
Our 'centre' is the Libnats, and what a fat lot of good they've done us

>NBN rollout is still about 1/3rd done after 10 years
>they've got a circlejerk with Telstra (one of the worst examples of a business monopoly in history) because half of the MPs and every single person in cabinet has ties to big business so we'll be stuck with 10/5 internet for the next 50 years
>obsessed with coal to the point that they're willing to destroy the GBR for it even though with every passing year the rest of the world moves away from it, china especially
>favourite pastime is fellating baby boomers over the 'dole-bludger' issue and making them work to death for $2 an hour
>don't give a shit that foreigners are buying every square metre of australia they can get their hands on

every single coalition nigger should be hanging from the end of a rope, once labor gets in they better declare a one party state and start stringing cunts up or I'm moving to NZ

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>>74900394
>or I'm moving to NZ

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>74899473
the state's powers of coercion should be limited in areas where they are not absolutely necessary.

>>74900568

Mandatory voting limits the ability of the state to coerce voters.

>>74899566
Kind of hard to feel motivated to vote when your only options are a psychotic megalomaniacal whore and a sociopathic oompa loompa. The two-party system in this country is cancerous and it is responsible for a solid 80-85% of all problems in the American government.

>>74900084
National Socialism is a leftist ideology.

>>74899473
Voting is a right, not a duty.

>>74900903
Fucking this. Fuck the two party dictatorship.