Who's the greatest leader in German history?

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>>74862794
depends on what you count as Germany

Austrian gefreiter artist.

>>74862794
Friedrich was a cuck and probably a homo too

He got lucky Prussia did not get rekt completely in the Seven Years War, but thats about it

The objectively right answer is >>74862828

>>74862794
Merkel

>>74862794
>faggot the great
>great german leader

kek

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>>74862865
Otto set Germany back by bringing in the bureaucratic governmental system. He's the 19th century pic related.

>>74862895
Otto singlehandedly unified the Reich and got rid of red scum
There is literally no statesman in modern times Germany that can live up to that

>>74862828
>persecuted Catholics
>rejected "Greater Germany" in favour of little Germany
>was a puppet of Russia

Lmao no

>>74862926
learn how2history

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>>74862923
Think harder. Who was the first leader in Europe to kick out the papists?

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>>74862794
The one and only

>>74862926
>persecuted catholics
literally nothing wrong with that
>rejected "Greater Germany" in favour of little Germany
Yeah, and look where "Greater Germany got us today
>was a puppet of Russia
????????

>>74862923
>unified the Reich
>unified
>without Austria
Bismarck was a Prussian cuck, not a German nationalist.

>>74862989
it terms of great as in cataclysmic undertaking i have to agree, the state of germany in 1920 is far worse than otto's prussia

>>74862828
FPBP

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He tried to beat some sense into them but died early

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>>74862794
Was a butthurt and lying faggot, spoiled brat.
>>74862828
Is the real answer.

Id say bismarck

he wasnt stupid enough to launch that 2 front war, and they hurt russia pretty badly

Germans, how does it feel knowing that your country was only *truly* great for 47 years? Must hurt

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>>74864697
At least it had been great at some point, other than yours

>>74862794
Carl the great

>>74865974
>Be German
>Your greatest leader is not even German

Ronald Reagan.

>>74864495
chill kid. otto hated poland too. germans ability in leading their country raises along their contempt for poles.

>>74865974
Karlos El Grande was french

>>74862794
Probably Kaiser Willy because he brought it the closest to destruction

>>74866031
Based Pinoy

Not only the most powerful race but the wisest as well

>>74865974
Japan, you need to study more

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>>74862794
Undoubtedly.

Fuck Weltpolitik

germans are evil subhumans

Seems like Bismarck was the only guy with half a brain to not piss of France, Britain AND Russia at the same time. Every one of the policies people criticize him for simply avoided the destruction of Germany. If they took Austria,which at the time was one of the largest counties,just how would the rest react

>>74868289
You are a Turk

>>74864260
Good thing you're American so your opinion doesn't mean anything

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>>74864697
Add 12 years to that.

>>74862794
>German
>history
Pick one.

Albert Einstein
Gauss
Rutherford
Bohr
etc.
These had real achievements, not some pointless political bs

>>74868501
They were all leaders in SCIENCE

>>74862794
A homosexual austrian jewish paper hanger who had one ball, a deformed micro penis, had an incestuous affair with his niece, an enthusiasm for scat, was addicted to meth and had autism.

>>74868501
Where is Merkel?

>>74868544
a true inspiration for all autistic people

>>74866713
The franks where dutch actually.

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Leader of the Neo-German Empire.

>>74868501
niels bohr was a dane

>>74868761
Actually Niels Boehr was Flemish, little known fact

>>74868756
>Neo-German Empire
*The greatest European organization ever existed

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>>74868678
Here is a lesson of history for (You)

>>74868794
Very few people realize that Nils Böhr was from Sweden.

>>74868384
I am a Greek

>>74868501
einstein was a jew
germans were always jealous and hated them because they were wealthier

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>>74862895
>Honecker
only correct answer

>>74868815
How is that relevant, the territory marked here is literally Soissons and the franks conquered that later on in their span of empire

>>74868815
>the true land of the franks, where the salian franks lived is between the loire river and the carbonarian forest
Are you stupid or something?
The Salian Franks are recorded as living on the northernmost banks of the rhine and the meuse around the year 400.
Not to mention that the Frankish language evolved into duits in their homelands while the franks who migrated south where to few in number to do anything else than to leave about a thousand loan word in the vulgar latin that would later evolve into langue d'oïl.

>>74869025

Go back play in the swamp, blondcuck LARPer

>>74869078
>The Salian Franks are recorded as living on the northernmost banks of the rhine and the meuse around the year 400.

What is migration, domb subhuman blondcuck ?

>>74869087
t. deluded romaboo

>>74869109
Well that is what I just described for you, a migration of parts of the salian franks from their dutch homeland into the realm of Syragius.
What exactly is is you think that the Franks where, Romano-Gallics, Bretons? Because they very obviously spoke a germanic language.

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>>74869125
G*rms bactericide when ?

>>74869087
Clovis, viewing himslef as a roman sovereign, commissioned the laws ti govern his new territory and to raise legitimacy. He was a roman LARPer who wanted to restore the western empire

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>>74869203
>their dutch homeland

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


NO

>>74869244
The Ottonids where of frankish stock you absolute retard.

>>74869295
So what you're saying that because of this minority opinion they in fact came from hungary? How surprising

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>>74869298
Who is Henry the Fowler ?
Ottonids were Saxons

>>74869332
>A minority
>Actual Frankish Tradition

Pick one

>>74869295
Yes according to their own LArpiing the franks here descended from King Priam and one of his sons who after the fall of Troy led an army and settled in pannonia(this pannonia however is supposed to be near the sea of azov)
There they founded the kingdom of Sicambria.
Later they are supposed to have migrated to the rhine.
You are literally, and I cannot stress this enough literally RETARDED if you believe this.
>>74869412
The progenitor of the dynasty was from what would later become the saxon stem duchy, however he and almost every ottonid after him took wives from the frankish nobility, Henty the Fowler was a cousin of Louis the Child for fucks sake.

>>74862794
Whichever one killed himself quickest

>>74864495
Frederick the great was a follower of enlightenment and thus hated backwards cultures in general, not just Poland.
That's also the reason why he was a great admirerer of France, since it gave birth to so many enlightenment thinkers

>>74869501
>spelling

>>74864000
M8 Austria was never going to join after the Zollverein

>>74864000
South germans are a different people anyway the split is warranted.

>>74869412
What are you trying to say though?
As he says >>74869501 the franks were LARPers to the max as they wanted to have legitimacy as sovereigns in the Roman Empire

>>74862794
>>74862828
Those two, without doubt

>>74869501
It is later tradition from the Liber Historiae Francorum and Feredegar's Chronicle who was blindly followed by French and Germans, but early Frankish tradition only speak about Pannonia(as found in Gregory of Tours) and never mention Troy

>he and almost every ottonid after him took wives from the frankish nobility


Salic Law, women can't inherit and pass the land to their sons, and seing their red hair i doubt they fucked Frankish women, infact i doubt the very existance of "Frankish women".

>>74864697
it really hurts
i always think about what could have been, if the retard willy didn't start the great war

>>74869695
He was a flawed man
HE just wanted to play with his boats

>>74869695
>Willy
Your military was also responsible

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>>74869717
if only Frederick III. didn't die -.-

>>74869695
>if the retard willy didn't start the great war
It was actually mostly the Austrian leadership and the (correct) belief that their Empire would crumble if they didn't get rid of the countries agitating for Panslavism in their Empire (Serbia + Russia).

The real mistake willy made is to have only the Austrians as allies. As Bismarck said, when you have 5 great powers you need to be part of the 3

>>74869785
You should have stuck with Russia and have made AH your mutual vassal

>>74868678
>>74868815
If the franks were so french/nongermanic why did they originate from the middle rhine (the right side too) and pictures of Wotan were to be found in their most early graves?

>>74868501
>Rutherford
Is this the fabled German humour?

>>74869868
I think the biggest mistake was that after Bismarckm, Germany thought it needed no allies (besides AH) and continued pissing everybody off.
They called it "Politik der freien Hand" (Policy of the free hand)

>>74869919
What do you think Germany should have done with AH? Partition it? Keep it around as a defunct state split up in spheres of influence? Prop it up like irl?

>>74869888
See pic related >>74869295 they're from Pannonia

>pictures of Wotan were to be found in their most early graves?

Early Frankish skelletons have Charon's obols in their mouths

Does it make them Greeks cause they worshipped greek gods ?

>>74869658
>Salic Law, women can't inherit and pass the land to their sons, and seing their red hair i doubt they fucked Frankish women, infact i doubt the very existance of "Frankish women".
What the fuck are you on about, do you think the franks where some sort of aliens who didn't understand the value of political alliances?
By the way linguistic, religious and historic evidence trumps LARPING fairy tales.

>>74869835
M8 we offered to be allies and you turned us down 3 times

>>74870003
What the fuck so they came from austria?

>>74869888
The franks where Germanic my friend, the frenchman just thinks 800th century dungeons and dragons has a single shred of credibility.

>>74869971
Keep friendly relationship with it, but not risky everything for them.
I think the best thing would be to have good relationships with all great powers, so they dont have to worry about wars in Europe and can concentrate on colonial exploits.
But if good relations with France are impossible, it is of course vital to have Russian as an ally or at least as neutral, to prevent a two-front war

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>>74862794
Hermann the german

>>74870065
Somewhere around Austria, Croatia, Slovenia, and Hungary i guess

They didn't precise which Pannonia they're from

>>74870080
I think that no matter what AH would have to go eventually though, and then there's the polish question

>>74870124
You base this on what again?
The franks plundering in then the roman provinces of germania superior and inferior?

>>74870148
I think Poles should have gotten a certain degree of autonomy to pacify them, and a bilingual education in Polish and German

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>>74870213
>You base this on what again?

I base that fact that Pannonia included parts of these countries :)

>>74870269
>I base that fact that

I base that on the fact that*

>>74870269
I know what pannonia is friend, I was referring to what basis there actually is for a non-Germanic origin of the franks.

germans are subhumans

>>74870252
i think poles should kill every germ

>>74870328
They were dark/brown haired and not tall unlike actual Germanics according to Eginhard and the Carolingian Illuminated manuscripts
Their tradition states that they came from Pannonia which was inhabited by Celts and Illyrians
The names of the their early leaders are Celtic or at least Celtic-sounding like :

Sammo which is the Celtic name for summer(sammo)
Suno which is the Celtic name for sun(sunno)
Teutomer which is composed of Teuto(tribe in celtic) Mer(similar to the Celtic mori) which mean "People of the sea"
and so on

>>74870607
>Suno

My bad it is Sunno exactly like the Celtic sunno

>>74868544
You described half of german population.

>>74870671
why are you so rude?

>>74868858
Neill O'Boher was in fact Irish

>>74870692
Why Germans have one ball, a deformed micro penis, incestuous affairs with their nieces, an enthusiasm for scat, are addicted to meth and have autism?

>>74862794
He was an atheist and wanted to be buried with his dogs to show contempt for religion even more

Queen Victoria and Prince Albert

>>74870607
>Sammo which is the Celtic name for summer(sammo
My bad(again) the Frankish name is Samo and so is the Celtic name.


Also, according to link related Samo was a Celtic in Noricum which was a neighbouring province of Pannonia.

http://www.univie.ac.at/austria-celtica/personalnames/details.php?id=969

>>74870773
he lived in an era when most of europe was like saudi arabia today
Frederick II. was a great man and carrier of the ideas of enlightenment

>>74870837
>he lived in an era when most of europe was like saudi arabia
WRONG. Read about Warsaw Confederation 1573

>was a great man
he was an atheistic bigot

>carrier of the ideas of enlightenment
oh yes, this is probably why Europe ended up in blood in 1914... Enlightenment was so great!

>>74870837
he wasnt great

>>74871005
Poland was a place where they still burned atheists alive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazimierz_%C5%81yszczy%C5%84ski

And I don't really see how WW1 is related to something that happend in 18th century

>>74870692
He's polish

>>74871090
>He wrote a treatise entitled The non-existence of God

good

>>74870607
>They were dark/brown haired and not tall unlike actual Germanic
Not all Germanics are blonde and blue eyed, the supposed germans you posted earlier looked just like their frankish cousins

>Their tradition states that they came from Pannonia which was inhabited by Celts and Illyrians
The area around pannonia was also home to serveral germanic tribes, besides the romans claimed to have originated from Aenas, not very likely to be true.
>
Sammo which is the Celtic name for summer(sammo)
Suno which is the Celtic name for sun(sunno)
Teutomer which is composed of Teuto(tribe in celtic) Mer(similar to the Celtic mori) which mean "People of the sea"
The upper two have the same meaning in Germanic languages.
Teutomer is a later bastardization of Richomeres which itself is very obviously a latinized name just like say, Arminius
Names and pictures from a royal annal is not very reliable evidence, the royal annals of Sweden for an example claims that our first king was the grandson of Noah.

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>brown hair, brown eyes, I don't look like a med

can I be frankish pls

>>74871162

>The upper two have the same meaning in Germanic languages.
Nope

Gothic language which is contemporary to the Franks don't have them

Sun in Gothic is "sauil" and summer simply does not exist
>Teutomer is a later bastardization of Richomeres *
Teutomer and Richomer/Rigomer/Ricimer were used both at the same time, so Teutomer can't be a bastardization

>>74871114
not all Poles are rude

>>74871504
Just checked sunno was indeed also used in gothic, although i suspect that it is borrowed from Celtic.

Anyway, it is does not change the fact that Teutomer can't be a Germanic name since people in Gothic is liuda/thiuda and sea is weison/lagus/marei/saiws

>>74871162
>Not all Germanics are blonde and blue eyed, the supposed germans you posted earlier looked just like their frankish cousins

implying

Every sources agree that Germanic are bond/red haired + blue eyed + tall

>>74871504
Gothic is much closer to north germanic since they migrated from Scandinavia much later than the west germanic tribes that would later unify into the franks, however,
Gothic: Sauil-Sun
Old high german: Sunna-Sun, Sumar-Summer
Anglo Saxon: Sunn-Sun
Old Norse: Sól-Sun, Sumar-Summer
Recontructed proto germanic: Sunnōn-Sun, Sumur-Summer
The reason for the gothic word for summer being known is that our knowledge of the language is based around one single book.

>>74871919
Reality disagrees my friend.

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>>74862794
There is only one correct answer.

>>74872209
he was great but he ultimativly failed

>>74871090
>Poland was a place where they still burned atheists alive
And where the idea of religious tolerance took some roots already in 15. century thx to Paulus Vladimiri

>And I don't really see how WW1 is related to something that happend in 18th century
Because you're blind and short-sighted. Enlightenment destroyed christian morality and created war machine states, Prussia being one example of this. The concept of absolutism was foreign to Middle Ages or as you would call it "Saudi Arabia states"

>>74872013
I used controversial names, and i just checked and found that summer in Gothic is asans

Anyway, there are other Frankish with clear Celtic origin like Malobaud Teutobaud(Attested celtic name as Teutobod) or Genobaud ,

>>74871546
But most are

>>74868761
he was a Jew

>>74872373
sorry for destroying your christian morality
we should have allowed you to remain christian saudi arabia and burn your atheists

>>74872040
Reality doesn't disagree if you aren't blond and claim to be germanic then you're either a LARPer or impure

>>74872911
>this flag
>this post
Hello Varg

>>74862828
why do you Ge*man strongly believe that Bismarck represented average citizens of the reich?.

Bismarck was nothing more than a aristocrat oppressing lower class workers like you, and had no intention to contribute to them.
in other words, Person like him is your natural enemy.

If Bismarck knew your fanatical love , he would be just annoyed.

>>74872957
but i am not a lower class worker, i am middle class

>>74872957
Why do autistic sperglords put the * in everything they don't like?

>>74873049
If you were from middle class, you would not be here, much less posting.

>>74871919
???
We have the most red hair in the world and we aren't German

>>74873117
?
4chin is for middle class people mostly
most working class people are normies

>>74872957
>Bismarck was nothing more than a aristocrat oppressing lower class workers like you
Implying I'm a mere commoner

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>>74862926
>persecuted Catholics
nothing wrong with this

>was a puppet of Russia
proof?

>>74872957
He's responsible for the modern German welfare state including universal healthcare.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Von_Bismarck#Social_legislation

>>74872954
I'm not even Blond but i agree with him cause it is true

Both the contemporaries of the Germans and the represention of the Germans made by themselves describe/show blond/red haired people

>>74873636
the spd was the reason why he did this

Theoderic the Great

>>74873217
it comes from the Caledonians that were Germanic


>TACITUS AGRICOLA
>11. Who were the original inhabitants of Britain, whether they were indigenous or foreign, is, as usual among barbarians, little known. Their physical characteristics are various, and from these conclusions may be drawn. The red hair and large limbs of the inhabitants of Caledonia point clearly to a German origin.
>The red hair and large limbs of the inhabitants of Caledonia point clearly to a German origin.

>>74873636
These systems are just political horse-trading.
the welfare systems were published just in order to sooth the rage of law class worker.
For Bismarck, it didn't matter at all whether law class people died of poverty, suffered from social inequality.

if it were not for them, German workers agitated by communist committed rebellion against the regime.