Spain doesn't have a cult.....

>>74705218
The reconquista was a mistake

>>74705218
Clearly the inquisition did it's job then.

>>74705218
Are spaniards dark enough to be considered as having a culture? I would say the fact that they were ruled by muslims from north africa for a while and culturally enriched means yes.

>>74705218
Friendly reminder that this was done using Byzantine artists

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>>74705218
You're welcome Spaniards, we're bringing you more tourists :)))))

We're moors after all.

>>74706006
Lies, it was done by the proud muslim people of southern Spain

>>74706265
you know your roots brother
Alhamdolillah

i am betting you have an all natural glorious Arab tan by birth that these cumskins are jealous for? right Antonio De Silva La Castellia de San Donhuan?

>>74705218
Tacky

>>74705934
Our culture is the unemployment and killing moors. For me it's enough.

>>74705218
That's Visigoth

>>74710663
>tfw last name is matamoros

>>74710767
Well done under Visigoth rule but native Iberian.

Moors didn't build anything everything is etched Iberian or Roman structures they occupied.

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>>74710865
Where does romanitization of illiterate Berber nomad niggers terrorizing a settled population come from?
The legacy those fucking moor niggers left is 90 iq Andalusia.

>>74710865
What about the torre del Oro? Calahorra tower? Caliphal baths?

>>74711109
How did niggers with 50 iq managed to conquer, rule southern Iberia for 5-7 centuries?
And did they manage to enslave a million of those superior iberian master race for 300 years after that with barbary pirats?

Truly, being conquered, civilized and enslaved for 1000 years by 50iq subhuman niggers ape make sensé.

>>74711181
Nothing built by moors they were just terrorizers and privileged bandits, they had no schools.

First university was built by native iberians in Salamanca after depopulating it from constant warfare.

>>74710803
>tfw mine is too
>tfw i will never live up to it

>>74705218

How come Morocco or North Africa in general don't have anything as beautiful as what's in southern Spain.

I know that Al-Andalus was basically in our peninsula, but nothing stopped the moors from recreating it in their homeland.

>>74711371
They didn't enslave anything, the population felt better to convert than fight zealots and die, just paid tribute to keep savages at bay until warriors from the north liberated the land.

>>74711488
It was done by native iberians not moors.

>>74711488
There's a lot of moorish building in North Africa and they are far superior to anything in Iberia.

You just don't know them

>>74711499
Same reason if you're getting robbed by a hobo you feel better just to give what he wants and if he says to convert to his cult for no more terrorizing they accepted as they were atomized.

>muh heritage CHI
now I have seen everything

>>74711633

Care to enumerate them ?

>>74711715
The hobo moor wants money and you can get back to peace?
Better give money than die or fight, how wrong they were, when iberians and moors interests contradicted each other the moors were swiftly conquered in 1230, by 1,000 moors were no threat, 740 Galicia and all North was liberated.

>>74711715
There was somewhat peace under tribute to moors so population was quiet just living lives.

>>74711829
Marinid dynatsy, Morocco: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Médersa_mérinide_de_Salé
Almoravid dynasty, Morocco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almoravid_Koubba
Zayanid, Algeria https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palais_El_Mechouar
Almoravid, Algeria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mosque_of_Algiers
Almohad Tinmel mosquee, Morocco http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/1/63/65/07/20150615/ob_9b34a4_lmcja3c7.jpg

There's much more.

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>>74712071
The Middle was unpopulated desert, all moors have there is Toledo, Valencia, and southern cities

>>74705309
This desu.

>>74712271

That's nice and all but not one of those things is comparable to the quality of what's in Granada or Seville desu

>>74712444
What quality of life in grands or Seville?

>>74712444
Seville and Granada are moored but predominately Iberian it was reconquered if it was indistinguishable from North Africa you would see a different result.

>>74711499
>just paid tribute to keep savages at bay until warriors from the north liberated the land.
>Killing 90% of the population even though they were Iberians as well.
>Liberating.

sure, burguer, sure.

>>74712444
Wikipedia pics aren't great. I don't see how this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Mahkama_du_Pacha_ou_Palais_du_M%C3%A9chouar.jpg
Or this: https://histoireislamique.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/medersa-ben-youssef-marrakech.jpg

Is different from Al Andalus monuments.

>>74712271
Looks good but I think none of those are comparable to the buildings here.
Also what is wrong with the mosque of Algiers, it looks horrible, it's like someone tried to restore it just painting all of white

>>74712777
You do like getting ass rammed by foreign niggers

>>74712784

It's not being different, it's just the scale.

>>74712888
Those that get ducked by niggers deserve death

>>74712888
>i don't know what im talking about so let me project my fantasy
Ameri*ans

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>>74712807
Well pic related is an university built in 877. It doesn't look worse than Al hambra.

>>74713016
Al Andalus had over 10millions people in 8th, Morocco, Algeria or Tunisia in the 18th had 1 or 2 millions people. Of course building are bigger, Cordoba alone had more population than any North african country even 1000 years later.

Iberia was like China to North Africa.

>>74713297
Al andalus didn't have 9 million people ever.

>>74713297
It's also funny that southern Iberia had more people in 800 ad than the whole 5 Maghreb countries in 1900ad.

Maghrebian population never changed for 3000 years until 19th, the desertic land can't support population.

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>>74713297
Well I don't know what to say

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>>74713297

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>>74713442
Al Andalus had 10.3 millions people according to historical estimations, Cordoba alone 0.5-1 million people. Pic related. And islamic iberia GDP was also very huge.

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>>74713297
That's not s university, first university of higher learning was built in the 1,000s by native iberians Christians.

>>74713646
Wrong.

>>74713671
kek and saved

>>74713646
Al andalus never stretched the entire peninsula

>>74713671
According to UNESCO it's the first university in the World https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Al_Quaraouiyine

>>74713844
Do you want more historian citation/books?

>>74713870
Yeah the estimation is about islamic ruled emirate of Cordoba in the 9th under Abd ah Rahman the III. Whole Iberia had 10 millions of Al Andalus + rest of population of North.

>>74713987
That is a church not a university of higher learning university Salamanca was a university for non theological sciences.

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>>74713987
9th century

Whole Spain had a population around 2 million or so

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>>74714242
No my friend, Muslim alone were 7 millions in 822 and 10.2 in 947.
"growing from an estimated 7 millions in 822 to about 10,200,000 in 947 (estimates are drawn from tax figures; this does not count the Christian population)"
James L. Boone, 2009. Page 87.

>>74713987
I'm always willing to read something more.
Also with the reign of Abderraman III, Al Andalus reached his maximum power, in the case it had a population of 10 millions it's very probable it decreased a lot after the death of Almanzor and the start of the fitna

>>74712361
>>74705309
mmmm i wonder who's behind these posts

>>74712888
>Killing millions of Iberians
>WE WUZ LIBERATORS AND SHIET

kys

>>74714456
Wrong you retard.

>>74714473
Stupid moor, post your face maricon de mierda.

ITT: Let's try to discuss about the history of another country by quoting Google and crappy memes

>>74714742
>>74714639
Fuck off, you don't belong to this thread.

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>>74714473
Civil war damaged Iberia a lot yeah, it led to those taifas civil wars, sad period.
Well even in mid-11th Cordoba still had 450k population was still the biggest city in Europe.
Even more interesting, the very small Granada emirate still had the biggest city in europe in mid-14th when Al Andalus was almost over since a century.

This is what hygiena, medecine, city planning, agriculture studies do.

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>>74714919
It's always this flag. Always.

>>74713297
10 millions is way too exagerated, not even france would be as populated
The whole peninsula would not surpass 5 millions, and the most densely populated area would be the northern kingdoms, although al andalus would be more populated undoubtedly, about 3 millions i guess.

>>74714926
Maricon puto gitano

>>74715136
eres una puta pesadilla, eres como nuestro ikibey puto chicano asqueroso

>>74714999
Where is the evidence for this?
Córdoba has a population of 1.3 million in 2017, population of Córdoba was probably the same as any city.

>>74715066
Roman Iberia had 6 millions people, why several centuries later Iberia wouldn't surpass 5 millions?

>tfw can't be bothered about moorish genes since i'm directly part lebanese

>>74715272
Depopulation means more allowed calories per city so deportations and deaths don't affect general population long term

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>>74705309
reconquista was the best thing of the middle age

>>74715289
Roman Iberia had 1 million maybe

>>74715336
Lebanese population have nothing to do with moorish genetics. I dunno why people mix MENA population as a whole.

>>74705218
>Andalusian culture
>Spanish one

I never understood why the bad things done by us, are andalusian and the good thing we did, are Spanish. That is not Spanish culture, fuck off.

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>>74715365
True redpill is reconquista = enlightenment

>>74715289
because visigothic snowniggers were not good and handling the land, the economy colapsed at the end of the roman empire.
Then between constant warring between the north and the emirate and then the caliphate the population would not increase fast.
Aso I made a mistake in the post before, the al andalus population would be 4-4.5 millions not 3.

>>74715446
No clue what you're talking about bigger, no such thing as Andalusian identity.

>>74715272
>population of Córdoba was probably the same as any city.
Cordoba rivaled with Constantinople and Baghdad in size, it wasn't as "any other city"
>>74714999
That's an interesting pic , there are a lot of cities that I did not know would be there. I supose that it doesn't take Constantinople into account.

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>>74715407
>>74715481
Pic related.

>>74715519
Proof?

>>74715428
This.

ME and NA aren't the same, if they were invaded by lebs instead of moors, they would look different today. Maybe less tanned.

>>74715532
No evidence for this.

>>74715550
My time machine

>>74715532
That is true, the population just decreased from 6 million to 4 when the visigoths came, just that.

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>>74715497
>No such thing as andalusian identitiy.

>>74715481
Ah, I'm so glad we have a qualified historian in the thread. I'm assuming you must one otherwise why would anyone care about what seems to just be your opinion

>>74715629
Go ahead and show me Andalusian indentity, it is a recent invention, peasants didn't identify with shit only pay taxes nobles and kings identified with their power and rule over peasants, moors retarded bro, moron,comes from moor.

>>74715519
Cordoba was cucked from the first place by Baghdad/Chang'an, but hey 3rd place is nice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_history

Constantinople lost a lot from 500ad to 1200ad, from 500k to 300k. Probably because they lost most of their empire that used to feed them to arabs/turks.

>>74715732
But... where is broofs?
Islamic liars are not proof.

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>>74715719
I like how you think you know more about Andalus than the europoors.

Please leave this thread.

>>74712271
>>74711371

kys moors

>>74715787
Get out nigger go talk to Fulani and Haitians.

>>74715719
>peasants didn't identify with shit
dude lmao

>>74715894
You're getting assfucked by moors.
Tolerate them

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Al Andalus was an agricultural power house.

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>>74715904
No :-)

>>74715719
>Go ahead and show me Andalusian indentity


Basically, all the international memes about Spain are actually andalusian, the flamenco, the bulls, the muslim architecture, the siesta and all that stuff. Fuck´s sake, even the lazyness meme comes from Andalusia.

>peasants didn't identify with shit only pay taxes nobles and kings identified with their power and rule over peasants

Pretty much everyone I know identify as andalusian here . Even my fucking great grandfather who was older than Blas infante. kek

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>>74715958
Shut up subhuman filth

We're destrying them genetically, soon they will become a submissive mongrel race

>>74715989
It's a recent invention, and many residents of Spain in the south do not identify as Andalusian, you're just a Moroccan.

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>>74715732
Chinese cities doesn't count that's just another level, and well, at least Cordoba didn't end as bad as Baghdad.
feels bad Tbh

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>>74705309
Fuck off from this continent

>>74716051
Hahahahha get ass fucked some more filthy retard.

>>74716051

Beurettes are my fetish

>>74715962
where is that from

>>74715962
No it wasn't.

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Based Fernando III

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>>74716109
No wonder than halg negroe like you defend them since both of you are negroes and your women love to ride nigger dick

>>74716170
"The legacy of Muslim Spain" over 1000 pages that sum up every aspect of this period.

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>>74716109
Why are you being this aggressive in this thread? The discussion can be held politely, no reason to act like a retard.

Did you learn all that on stormfront or something? You also think that whites founded China?

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>>74716209
Moors = retards
Christians = enlightened educated tolerant high iq civilized

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This thread reminds me it's time to expand from Ceuta and Melilla to the South again

>>74716061
>Let me tell you about your country

I fucking hate the burguers who really think they know everything by looking at memes in fucking 4chan.

>>74716266
And its all bullshit with no evidence, complete propaganda book.

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>>74716209
>Ferdinand was buried in the Cathedral of Seville by his son, Alfonso X. His tomb is inscribed in four languages: Arabic, Hebrew, Latin, and an early version of Castilian.
A true spaniard

>>74716301
Ignore him.

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>spaniards desperately trying to deny their Muslim past
just embrace it

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>>74716301
You aren't even Iberian you nigger

Compare science Spain and moor niggeres for real verifiable proof who is smarter

>>74716355
>Fueron muchos los andaluces que emigraron a Chile durante la época colonial. Algunos de los andaluces eran moriscos que escapaban la opresión en la metrópoli. La cultura huasa viene de la andaluza ya que se ve semejanzas en el traje folclórico de Chile y Andalucía, tanto en el hombre cómo en la mujer. También la cueca y la tonada muestra influencias arábigo–andaluzas. Otro legado andaluz en Chile es la lengua cuyo acento y voseo proviene del dialecto andaluz del español.

Seremos, califas y mierda, pero que vosotros tampoco os escapáis. :^)

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The Sword of the last Muslim ruler in Iberia.

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>>74716324
Its funny that his son was an andalusiaboo

>>74716266
nice, thenks I know some day I will read it.
>>74716355
B-but that's just some dumb american

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>>74716355
No one denies anything. We are a mix of Jews, Moors, Romans, Phoenicians, Celts, Goths and Iberians.
You, however, add even more to the mix

>>74716432
Seran caliphato que te mato otra vez

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Chronology

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>>74716479
No, fuck off nigger, those that conquered wet pure iberians moor niggers weren't even humans.

>>74716355
Do you even have a past?

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>>74716355
WE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5T156l4tg&list=LLvk7raIe4i-cmv-gu-4x8IA&index=38

>>74716498
Vete al carajo, puto guiri de mierda. Ni si quieras sabes hablar e escribir el castellano propiamente para venir a darme la lata con tus putos memes sacado de la mentes de tres gilipollas con menos fundamentos histórico que cuatro esquizofrénicos con puta adicción a la heroína.

>>74716468
I dont have moor blood so you can fuck off, greasy brown niggers are not my people, you aren't iberians.

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>>74716641
Who brought the moors back?
The fight begins again.

>>74716511
Didn't know about Ziryab, interesting guy.

>>74716699
1 state Iberian state 1 people Iberian people, 10,000 lives for emperor

>>74716444
granada was a vassal state of Castile since Fernando III

>>74716739
1 leader

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>>74716825
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qdf5SU5xYAc

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>>74716468
You should read the osprey about the reconquista: just Google reconquista osprey.
It sum up 7 centuries of military aspect with nice pictures.

>>74716790
It only had to pay 12,000 golden pistoles (doblas) per year, not much, mostly symbolic.

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>>74716479
we are sons of the reconquista

>>74716906
Great ancestor struggle will not be in vain!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7BckAsDpQeU

I am getting tired of the Iberianboos. Really, why? We are a fucking shithole without culture. A place when no one never did something relevant. We are literally the mexico of Yurop, a literal shit in the south of Europe.

Is it true that most of the historical highlights and art/culture/prosperity etc was under the moors?

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>>74716926
meh

>>74716961
fuck off you are as shit as the american

>>74717019
No

In'shallohm my muslim brothers

>>74716961

Talk for yourself, we were Explorers n shiet.

>>74716607
What language is this?

NORDIC VISIGOTHS RULED SPAIN FOR CENTURIES
WE
WAZ
K
A
N
G

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Why people here get upset about "moorish" rulers when 95% of them were blond with blue eyes? They never married womens that weren't extremly white.

https://books.google.fr/books?id=nSw-AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=roudh+el+kartas&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG7vzn6ejTAhVG5xoKHbjdBYkQ6AEIHDAA

Literally every single moorish Emperor had a Christian mother.
Islamic Spain bring a lot of white germanic and slavic slaves, while modern Spain isn't really that white.

>>74717054
I am saying the fucking truth. Where are the inventions? Where are the science and progress?

yeah, we have a very long great literature but Iberia is almost nigger tier in science.

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>>74717058

>>74716926
really nice.

>>74717167
Cuck off nigger

>>74717073
we say something similar, "ojalá"... cames from sha'a Allah.

>>74717223
Fuck you off, fucking stupid amerishit.

>>74717147
>nordic

They spent two centuries in the eastern part of the roman empire before moving here. They barely used germanic words. On thenother hand the suevii were still germanic in culture when they came considering many of them still worshiped Wodan.

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Iberia and North Africa were ruled by white blond/redhair for centuries. Same with turkish dynasties.
This should please guys here.

>>74717167
you did nice paintings too.

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>>74716479
>are a mix of Jews, Moors, Romans, Phoenicians, Celts, Goths and Iberians.
You aren't m8

You're mostly(70§%) Celtiberians

Don't fall for the mixed race meme, it is a meme created post WW2 to destroy nationalism

>>74717192
Show your face filth, you're not Iberian

>>74717167
While it's true that compared to other countries Spain is shit at science, it isn't as bad as you may think and has some important inventions.

>>74717147
Not really. In fact, We have more Slavic blood than Germanic one.

T. R1a individual

>>74717366
yeah, China was always the goat at inventions.

>>74717296
Yeah I think that even Abderraman III was redhaired.

>>74717328
>He believes in haplomemes
Although

>East andalusia
>72% celtic

Dont make me laugh

>>74717366
The only matter is the science. The rest is a meme or will become one sooner or later.

>>74717328
Neither celtiberian, jews, moors, celts, goth correspond to anything genetic related.
Ethnic group =/= Langage =/= geographical terms =/= culture =/= Genetics.

Iberian genetics are very complex to understand, and way above your abilities or anyone this thread.

>>74717368
Please don't associate haplogroups with any culture, ethnicity or something else.

>>74717107
not sure but the qiyans were singing slave girls from the penisula so i think that is mozarab or judaeo-spanish

>>74717328
Haploshits are irrelevant, Jean Pierre García

>>74717328
what are celtiiberians? other mixed people?

>>74717482
I dont associate haplogroups with culture. We are not slavs and do not have a slavic culture either but It is true that we have more slavic blood than germanic one.

>>74717501
>>74717480
Haplogroups are a scientific tool but 99% of people here doesn't understand how it works.
There's no proper vulgarization for non-biologists.

They should stick with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula

>>74717604
haploshits are nothing, autosomal dna is where it is

>>74717561
A bunch of barbarians who only knew to steal and raid the Iberian tribes. Romans physically removed them all.

>>74717501
R1b = Celts

Don't try to deny it

>>74717604
>>74717636

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>>74717640
delet this

>>74717583
"Slavic blood" or "Arabica blood" etc. doesn't mean anything, that simply doesn't exist.

Slavic culture started among people with different genetics and that were living in those areas since neolithic times.

There's no "Arabica haplogroups" (J1) nor berber one (e1b1) or germanic one.
The world was populated by population with different haplogroups since neolithic times and got assimilated to some cultures in recent times.

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>>74710767
what? no.
This is visigoth.
>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arquitectura_visigoda

>>74717814
BARBARIANS. Snowniggers . That is the very definition of the celtic-iberians.

The past is in the past. Move along. You're now, faggots and liberals beyond subspecies.

Wich people mistake for "moorish dna from the 711ad invasion" is actually North african that moved 20,000 years ago because of the ice-age

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1693320/pdf/15101581.pdf

>>74718064
el descendiente de republicANOS seniores ajakajakakak

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>>74717869
*teleports behind you*

And the "arab" dna come from the neolithical migration 10,000 years ago https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15870030

>>74705218
Who said we don't have culture? It's a very dumb statement, we have one of the richest cultures of Europe. If you mean we don't have a indigenous culture like iberian one, just see basques they've been there before latins arrived to Itally, and Celts didn't let a culutre in Sapin nor in France basically because they were a prehistoric culture.

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>>74713671
Fuckin' saved

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>>74718660
What the fuck are you talking about?
Only true iberians are castilliandms test of peninsula are makatos.

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>>74718805
First university Castilian Spanish empire castillian conquerors of moors and expulsion castillians highest iq and intellectual castillian best book in world castillian

>>74718924
Winner of civil war castillian

>>74718924
The 2nd best Iberian culture and political entity is Castile is 1st is hispania state

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>>74718995
>>74718948
Castilia is sleeping since the Revolt of the Comuneros... now we have Spain

>>74719689
Of course

>>74716479

but still handsome as fuck.

germanic girls fall to our knees sooooon

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>>74719689
I just defend the past strongest Iberian state for salvation of Spain, spain is now the strongest and I bear now banners of Spain.

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>>74717296
This
Pic related is how Moors depict themselves

>>74720113
That's native converts that made up majority of everything except soldiers

>>74717296
>Monté sur un cheval blanc
It's white, allright. kek

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>>74720145
pic related

>>74720199
>dat proto-pajeet

>moors give europe modern numerals (0, 1, 2, 3)
>moors give europe advanced irrigation techniques for crops
>moors give europe chess
>moors invent oculists
somehow its okay for us to kick this wonderful inventors ? from year 500 to 1200 Europe was completely illiterate and it was the moors that was actually smart

>>74721513
Now it's the other way around

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>>74705309
This.

>>74724078
exactly
but if we think of classical antiquity: Greeks invent maths, greek invent philosphy, romans invent decent concrete and roads and Academia
when the roman empire falls all of this goes down the shitter, and its the arabs that keep all the culture
in fact if it wasnt for the ummayad caliphate in spain, chess might have never became popular, and arab numbers could have taken much longer to replace roman numerals (X, V, I, M...)

>>74716393
you know cervantes was a jew, right

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This thread...

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>>74724848

moors did nothing wrong

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moors introduced medicine, mathematics, and civilization in an Europe that was mostly barbarian
An Europe that burnt down what the roman and greek culture built for centuries, ravaged by pillaging

>>74726650
>moors introduced medicine, mathematics, and civilization in an Europe that was mostly barbarian
>An Europe that burnt down what the roman and greek culture built for centuries, ravaged by pillaging

Yeah, just 100 years after Isidore of Seville, a Spanish bishop, wrote his Etymologiae, a massive compendium of ancient knowledge that was so good and extensive that it replaced Terentius Varro as the go-to book for the next centuries.

Fuck off, memester.

>>74710803
eso no te qita lo indio, pinchi nopaludo