Why are americans so poor? They had no war on their soil for

>>74699394
Some of them are

>>74699394
>Americans consider her white
Lmaoooooooooooo

>>74699394
Looks like a comfy place to live.
If they were close enough to town, work and an Internet connection, it would be fucking brilliant.

>>74699394
Continent sized country with no socialism.

Every other country has poor backwaters like this. R-right?

>>74699394
The difference is not all Americans are greedy penny-pinching cunts like the Swiss.

>>74699394
Microstates are easier to manage. There'll inevitably be some poverty and inequality in any large country.

>>74699394
>no war for 200 years
You are vastly understating the importance of the Civil War. Nearly every piece of important infrastructure in the southern US was destroyed, and any hope of the South being economically succesful without a miracle was burned with it.

I wish states were a bit more like cantons
>tfw will never move to Switzerland

>>74699394
That doesn't look so bad, I would unironically live there

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>>74699394
>that poor hillbilly probably lives on the same area as a small town in Central Europe and that shack is probably the same square footage as a middle class European apartment.

>>74699590
Well it's Appalachia so she's most likely 100% Scots-Irish or lower class English ancestory. If that's white is up to your opinion.

>>74699394
>They should be as wealthy as the Swiss by now
I doubt she'll ever want to eat that dog like the Swiss.

>>74699394
(((someone))) is stealing their wealth

>>74700440
Mate look at her, she looks nothing like the Irish

>>74699394
As a whole, we're the richest country on earth, but that wealth is obviously not evenly distributed. Your average family in West Virginia or Mississippi is likely poorer than one from Washington or New York.

Also, we spend A LOT of our tax money on the military.

>>74700128
Germany got it worse and recovered in a quarter of the time

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>>74699771
>>74700244
Is this serious or are they being ironic?

The American society is at constant war with itself. What do you expect from a country that keeps the poor as poor as possible so the rich can be a little richer?

>>74700637
What percentage of your total tax do you actually spend on the military?

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>>74700726

>>74700817
Seems like this would be perfectly normal in any other time in history. It's only because America is so insanely rich that they're military can be massive enough that we can afford to underfund all our militaries

>>74700663
>what is the Marshall plan
And that was with improved building technology made in the 1940s, this was back in 1860. The North barely made an effort to rebuild.

>>74699394
That's probably a cabin rather than their main home. It's pretty common and they are usually less than modern since you only really spend a couple of weeks at them a year. Fishing, chilling on the beach, playing boardgames.

>>74699394
>200 years
2017-1865=152
>152 years
Kraut can't count

>>74701049
That says Appalachia not Adirondacks.

>>74700944
Not to mention Germans didn't have to change the focus of their entire economy, just rebuild it. The South was basically one giant cotton plantation and the policies the North established were very harmful for that.

>>74701100
I don't follow you.

Capitalism

>>74701181
Nobody has cabins out in Appalachia. I know what you're referring to and this is not like that.

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>>74699394
>appalachia
What the fuck? My neighborhood is in Appalachia. This is what it looks like from up here.

>>74700709
Dead serious.

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>>74701053
Foreigners don't know about our Civil War that much, specifically just how many lives were lost or how much was destroyed.

I'm no history major but I wouldn't be surprised if the American Civil War was the bloodiest Civil War in world history.

Americans are just so generous they give away all their money to the bankers. God bless them

>>74701253
Didn't more Rwandans gets slaughtered in a few days during their recent civil war?

Thank doge America sits on so many natural resources.

They are so free that their "left" doesnt even think of socialism

>>74701253
>American Civil War
>bloodiest Civil War in world history
Even small ass African countries will end up with 2 million kill counts during their civil war. You really are making us look bad.

>>74700128
>any hope of the South being economically succesful without a miracle was burned with it.
It was already a mess. Most of the rails used different gauges. The infrastructure was based around plantations and shipping of the plantations goods. The main crop was sold heavily to the British textile industry and the British cotton plantations in India would be ready around 1880. The south was inevitably going to collapse economically and had backwards infrastructure compared to the north. The Civil War just quickened it's demise.

>>74701253
What's wild is that the population during the civil war was less than a quarter what is was at ww2

>>74699394
Bombing sheep shaggers at the end of the world is more important than helping their poor compatriots.

The US is huge and geographically diverse, with some areas richer than Switzerland. We've had less time as a "rich" country and the larger your country is, the harder and longer it takes for it to develop evenly.

Switzerland is super tiny and they've benefited from a longer history and more time to develop their society's social infrastructure for their small population.

>>74700895
>>74700817
16% but the problem is a lot of Americans stupidly believe this meme pie chart on the internet that is constantly debunked unlike what the Norwegian posted.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/17/facebook-posts/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/

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>>74699394
>>74701246
If Appalachia is bad then explain this.

>>74701546
>literal cardboard houses
lmao

>>74701599
That's brick mate

>>74701437
>with some areas richer than Switzerland
are you talking about gated communities?

West Virginia has long been pretty isolated from the rest of the US, and relies almost entirely on coal mining and other unskilled labor jobs.

The world just kind of passed them by as the US moved to service-based industry with the need for a college education.

>>74701638
It's not. It's plastic siding made to look like brick.

>>74701638
We learned from the best. :-)

>>74701664
Tell me that's not a real thing

>>74701673
No you didn't.

>>74701645
Yes, those are still part of the country and contribute to our statistics.

>>74701664
No, it's actual brick. I know because I live in the neighborhood, dumbass.

>>74701726
well yeah, but i dont think its fair to compare american upper class people to swiss average

Population of Switzerland: 8 million

I bet you I can find 8 million people in this country living better than a Swiss greedy fuck

I bet you I can also find 8 million people in this country living worse than Albanian underground sex ringers

>>74701694
It is.

>>74701728
Show me MLS data proving it is.

we spend like 1 trillion dollars just maintining bases in your country and another 3 trillion scattered around the world, our last 48 bombs cost us 60 million dollars. If we spread the money out to our citizens like a commie euro state who has nothing to worry about, yea we'd be taking care of cows like the swiss. But we don't have that luxury.

>>74701879
but can you find a state in america where people on average are more wealthy than swiss?

>>74701992
USA BTFO

>>74701904
Why? Is it really that hard to believe that Appalachia isn't poor as shit? We aren't Kansas where we make our houses out of cardboard just for them to be destroyed by tornadoes to collect that insurance paycheck.

>>74701986
>close down bases on foreign soil
>send soldiers back home
>...

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>>74699394
You're not even American, why do you care?

>>74700624
"Scots-Irish" is a dumb yankism for Border people.

>>74699394
You realise Germans are basically peasants by American standards?
Europe in general is poor compared to the US

>>74701992
It's difficult because the only available statics for Swiss are average household and median per person and the only ones available for individual states are median household and per capita, but assuming the median household is double the median per person both Maryland and New Jersey have higher incomes.

>>74702070
Because they're building lots of high end developments like the ones you posted where I live and they're all wood.

>>74702333
then how do you explain OPs pic?

>>74702333
>bunch of greedy multimillionaires raise US average income disproportionally
>HURR THEY ALL RICH
>worse general education than here
>worse social security than here
>worse poverty than here
>worse debts than here
>worse crime than here
>worse violence than here

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>>74702418
:^)

>>74702409
that's one shack in appalachia, the poorest region of the US.

>>74699394
This looks like your average Eastern European dwelling

>Muh poverty doesn't exist in yurop

>>74702288
Border people?

>>74702565
In the Netherlands you cannot really become homeless though.
You can always get a roof and welfare.

>>74702565
how can it be?
I heard so much about all the homeless in american cities

>>74702409
>>74702418
Why is the eternal g*rman always so butthurt? At least with Brits and Aussies you know they're just messing around.

>>74702630
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Reivers

>>74702644
Only you spend all your welfare money on drugs.

>>74702650
You have Roma and many refugees who skew your statistics because they can't legally get housing and sleep in the streets.

>>74699771
Bogan

>>74700522
Germans are such huge juice cucks you cant even name them now
can you name your cuck masters?
say Juice

>>74700624
centuries of inbreeding mate
i would know
no seriously, same area, genetic bottleneck, too poor to move elsewhere, no interaction, same genes

>>74701404
sad and true

>>74701722
kek

>>74701986
literally explaining to us how he is a juice cuck
doing the dirty for them
say thanks to,juice overlords after you lick them clean ok

>>74702689
*Only if

>>74702288
No it's Protestants from Northern Ireland that came as indentured servants. When their servitude was up all the good coastal lands were claimed so they moved westward. Unless that's what you mean by border people. They are also associated with creating country music from folk music of the British Isles.

>>74702652
It just baffles me how such a rich country as USA can treat their poorest people so badly

>>74702418
This might blow your mind but having a black population three times the size of the former DDR noticeably warps the averages.

>>74702333
From what I gather, Americans are on average(mind what this term means mathematically) richer than many europeans, and richer than all of the eastern europeans. However, America does not have a middle class in which most are included. Even people with university degrees are struggling. It's generally said that the "middle class" is getting smaller and smaller. USA have a lot of extremely rich people, and an upper-mid class that brings up the average a lot, while a fuckton of americans are really fucking poor. There are more poor people than there are "middle class" people, which is pretty insane.

Take this with a grain of salt though, because I only know this because I know a few americans who have told me this(they all say the same thing tho, and they don't know each other)

>>74699394
They had to use their money to fix YOUR SHITHOLES, instead of their own shitholes. If it weren't for America you would be Moldova-tier.

>>74702823
I dont see how the skin-color is relevant in our discussion

How the fuck can you be poor in America? just move your fatass to a developed town or city and contribute.

>>74702678
Yeah so Scots

>>74702765
The Border people were the ones moved to Northern Ireland on order of James I in an attempt to calm the Border because they were so lawless. There isn't anything Irish about them other than that they lived there for a brief time.

>>74702771
>treat

They treat themselves like that. But I wouldn't expect a German to understand individualism anyway.

>>74702715
Mate she's fucking brown

>>74699771
Cell reception outside of bigger towns and major roads in west Virginia is non existent

>>74701694
I doubt that is as it's the whole home but since I worked in a home DIY store, I can tell you for a small area you can get a decorative peice that's vinyl and looks like brick or stone (it goes over the area instead of normal siding). They also sell similar prices that have thin layers of actual brick or stone.

>>74702843
American rich (15% of the population) are richer than Europeans

American middle class (70% of the population) is around the same as most Europeans, not as good as Nordic countries however

American poor (15% of the population) are on average poorer than most Europeans by a substantial margin. The absolute poorest (5% of the population) are as poor as the average poor person in Eastern Europe.

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>>74702771
>treat

>>74702886
Because the groups possessing that "skin colour" perform very poorly by almost all national health metrics.

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Problem with these rural hick types is

>A new coal mine or factory opens up
>Town is created beside coal mine
>Coal or factory gets shut down because useless
>People refuse to leave, cling onto their "smalltown pride" and refuse to move to a major city with better opportunities

its this dumbfuck thinking that's so common in these rural shitholes. In canada everyone's either in a suburb or city if you aren't a farming/tourist town/inuit or native. even the places that do logging or oil extraction still mostly has everyone living in a major town or city.

>>74702905
They choose to live like that. Unless they lost their jobs they have brand new appliances and entertainment systems.

>>74702942
luckily for you, we don't, cause I am sure otherwise Germans would be far more reluctant to see their tax money going to eastern europe as development money

>>74702858
This, in fact

>>74703234
agreed.

literally the shittiest parts of america i've been to are those small towns of 5-10k people where half the population is strung up on meth while everyone else moved to a major city or town.

>>74703022
I wonder what kind of people are defined in this 70% middle class tho. I hear that most in this class don't consider themselves "middle class" because they struggle. For example, a couple of friends of mine technically within this class since they have uni-degrees, have to live with roomies in order to get by. I don't want to "tell you about your country", but I hear different things from different americans now.

>>74703116
they were slaves in america for generation, recieving zero education, and even after the civil war, they were discriminated for a long time.
No wonder they perform so badly

>>74703172
oh just get in the oven already

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>>74703022
>70% of the population is middle class

>>74703022
american poor are around 50%, or else you wouldn't have Trump as president

>>74703326
Bait

>>74702955
She might be one of those light skinned escaped slave descendants that claimed they were Portuguese.

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>>74703326
I love it when somebody this ignorant and sheltered stumbles into 4chan for the first time.

>>74703323
That's because they have debt that they have to pay off, along with the job market being much more competitive than it was in the past. Having a roomate is a necessity as cost of living continues to grow higher.

I always assumed it was the same in much of Europe, given high youth unemployment and an increasing lack of opportunity to own property/have a stable income.

>>74703417
you do realize that outside of /pol/, this is a pretty main stream opinion, right?

>>74703354
By non-Nordic standards.

>>74703264
You broke it, you fix it.

>>74703413
>that post
>that flag
checks out

>>74703413
More poor people voted for Hillary than Trump.

>>74703326
Even were that the case, it doesn't change the fact that your idea of what America is has been heavily distorted by statistics you don't understand. You're imagining that "Americans" are much poorer and more violent than they really are.

>>74702920
Ok then we are talking about the same people. The were poor and rough when they got here as well. They are the ones who gave us NASCAR, violent feuds and Moonshine. The Hatfields and McCoy's were of the same group of people.

>>74703413
Who do you think consitutes the Democratic base exactly? Rich African-American men of colour wearing tophats and monocles with MIT degrees?

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>>74703172
You mean the factory gets moved to China for a higher profit marge and the government blames the people for it.

New worlders would literally cut their balls of for their government, stop letting yourself get so willingly fucked, the government should be pushing the economy and jobs, that's why you elect them, not the fucking people.

>>74703532
I don't think you know what middle class means

>>74703600
Yes the clan warfare basically comes from the fact that they were kinships who cared more about clan and family than they did about their nation. It was a 1:1 cultural transference to the US.
They used to make certain surnames illegal to have in Border towns, so you just wouldn't be allowed to have the surname "Craig" for instance. Everything there was about your name.

>>74702771
>treat their poorest people so badly
That house looks like shit because her parents are probably lazy and can't take care of their shit.

>>74703616
The bulk of Trump supporters are poor uneducated rednecks/blue collars. It's the same in the Europe with all right-wing "populist" parties (see: UKIP).

>>74703600
You forgot music

>>74703354
Look at a bell curve.

>>74703474
For ten years tho? Ten years after your uni degree and you still have roomies? I've asked my friends the same questions, but all they say is that it's completely normal. It makes sense what you say, it's just a shame that I don't get to see with my own eyes, so I feel like I know jack shit.

>I always assumed it was the same in much of Europe
Not here at least. You have roomies when you're in uni, but not after. For example, I have my own house now. About 30% of it is still not repayed(loan, you know), but still.

>>74701049
Ha and everyone one in the Orzaks is a secret millionaire.

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>>74703823
Trump won the majority of white university-educated voters by five percentage points.

>>74703873
>implying income distribution is anywhere near a bell curve

You literally don't know what you're talking about. There are WAY more bottom earners than top earners.

>>74703713
Since you didn't define it and there's no strict definition, tell me.

>>74703981
please show your source

>>74703832
I said it earlier under Country Music.
>>74703736
So they didn't a change much it seems. They usually are the group who puts "American" under ethnicity on the census which make us look like we have less British and more German ancestory.

>>74703981
And he won the majority of white non-college educated whites by an even wider margin.
Notice how I said "the bulk", that doesn't mean only uneducated rednecks voted for him.

>>74703823
Statistics show that voters of right-wing parties are mostly richfags (who don't want to share their wealth with others)

>>74703576
That's not true. Trump locked down the white vote for people without high school diplomas or geds.

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>>74704116
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

>>74703938
>For ten years tho? Ten years after your uni degree and you still have roomies?
Yep, that's very normal. Living with roomates is cheap and you share each others living expenses.

>You have roomies when you're in uni, but not after.

Huh, seems like Norway is an outleir than. Most of the Europeans I've talked to seem surprised when Americans choose to live alone or buy a house rather than rent.

>>74704055
15% of your population is on food stamps. Unless you define middle class as "not being on food stamps", there's no way in hell 70% of the population is middle class

>>74704163
Rick and roll also stems from scot irish people as well

>>74704027
In the US, making more than 6 figures per household is considered 'well off' which encompasses around 17% or so of the population. Not sure if that's the case in Italy.

>>74704180
That's historically true, but the new "populist" parties have a different voter base than the traditional right.

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>>74699394
but they aren't.

>>74704359
>15% of the population is on food stamps.
...I already said 15% of the population was considered poor.

>>74699394
Why germanistans are so butthurted towards burgers?
Ps. You can find same shittier homes in funland allso

>>74704163
I honestly prefer American to "Scots-Irish" because people only ever hear the "Irish" part in that phrase and it drives me round the bend.

>>74704027
>percentage of population
>top 15%
>bottom 15%
>middle 70%

It's not wealth percentage genius it's that 70% of our population fit in the boundaries of middle class which is defined by financial minimum income and maximum income. And yes there is a skewed distribution of wealth.

>>74704246
Norway is different, yes. But I used to think that america was a lot like Norway, which is how my confusion about this manifested. I think my previous post is a bit misleading however. I didn't mean to imply that this is only for people who went to the uni. People who have no degrees do also live alone in their own houses/condos. But like I said, Norway is not like the rest of europe, we have our oil and all that.

>>74704438
That's only because americans can't into class consciousness at all.

>>74703482
I don't visit /pol/ and it's not

Most of Americans are poor. They even can't restore their teeth because this is expensive.

>>74704532
Same here t.bh

The official number of irish here is inflated because of Ulster scots putting down irish and protestant irish

>>74704569
America was a lot like Norway, but that has changed and people are adapting so as to get more out of their income instead of desiring the biggest house, car etc.

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>>74704438
Both AfD voters as well as Trump voters tend to be more wealthy than the rest, that's just how it is

>>74704596
lmao who gives a shit

>>74704640
How can you "make america great again" in your opinion?

>>74699394
Because only Jews are allowed to be rich in America

>>74704684
Here I thought pigs couldn't sweat.

>>74704489
Again: not being poor to the point you have to rely on social securty doesn't make you middle class. A self sufficient factory worker isn't middle class by any reasonable definiton.

>>74704563
see above

>>74703938
>Ten years after your uni degree and you still have roomies?
Thus is only true for a outlier population that lives in some of the more expensive cities. There bulk of people here don't need a roommate after college

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>>74704756
megacringe

>>74704764
>Again: not being poor to the point you have to rely on social securty doesn't make you middle class

Food stamps are a supplementary program, not 'social security'. Poorer working people who own homes and work 2 jobs get food stamps because it makes it provides less of a financial burden on their strained finances.

>>74704729
1. Research new industries -- we surive on the fact that no one really wants to go to war and we have a giant military. So even though a lot of people perform menial service jobs, they're still making it, sort of.
2. Stop importing 1 million people every year, infinite grow isn't sustainable.

>>74704229
but trump did even better among the whites without collage degree

>>74699879
Yes except they don't have running water, running electricity, a fucking satellite dish and a dirt bike in their front yard. American poor is different than other poor

>>74704884
>Food stamps are a supplementary program, not 'social security'.
They are a support for people who couldn't make ends meet without them. That's social security to me. If you prefer to use another term, fine, but the point still stands

As a side note
>Poorer working people who own homes and work 2 jobs get food stamps
That's totally fucked up

>>74702858
honduras bro, cheers lad! the wall just got a foot shorter.

>>74704729
Implement a Medicare-for-all program which covers healthcare costs for those who don't get it through their job.

Invest in infrastructure that makes it easier for businesses to operate in the United States.

Innovate new technologies and pioneer in fields like self-driving cars.

Increase the minimum wage to 12$ an hour and subsidize businesses that pay more than that.

Legalize recreational use of drugs and prostitution in order to increase tax revenue.

Lower the corporate tax rate so that corporations are more likely to invest money here rather than overseas.

>>74705099
>They are a support for people who couldn't make ends meet without them. That's social security to me.

Social security isn't the same as social welfare but I see where you're coming from.

>That's totally fucked up

I don't think anyone will disagree with you there.

>>74703823
I don't know about usa and italy, but here in Norway educated and non-educated people alike tend to agree with the so-called "populist" politicians about immigration. People in Norway also tend to view the term "populist" with disdain, because the word is generally used by journalists to put the politicians they don't like in a box (the populist box if you like), but the term itself has no actual meaning for the context in which it's used. A woman speaks out about how more immigration can hurt our welfare system, and all the sudden a journalist will say she is a "populust", it makes no sense at all. Norwegians, especially the educated Norwegians, see right through this folly. It's actually the uneducated people who more often tend not to see through it.

>>74701246
>>74701546
Damn, I want to live in Appalachia now.

>>74705209
>Lower the corporate tax rate so that corporations are more likely to invest money here rather than overseas
So close and yet so far.

>>74705479
Why? It worked with Ireland and works on a state level with states like Delaware reaping huge benefits from having almost no corporate taxes.

>>74699394
>muh religious legislation
>muh corporate welfare
>muh trickle down economics
>muh tough on crime (even if it's nonviolent)
>muh war on drugs (unless they're from big pharma)
>just tighten your boostraps!
>checks and balances are outdated!

TLDR modern America is ideologically retarded

We've forgotten about freedom and the founding fathers in order to justify the modern police state. 1776 should have commenced again a long time ago. It's probably too late for US at this point, everybody here is blue pilled, send help.

>>74705355
I put "populist" in quotation marks for a reason. I agree it's a retarded term that doesn't really mean anything.

>>74705355
My point was that "populist" parties get a lot of votes from traditionally left-wing demographics such as blue collars.

>>74705098
This

While our mountain poor have similar house appearance most don't have running water or even floors in their homes. Many only have one room for almost 10 people.

>>74704987
way to move the goalposts

>>74705618
really sad to be honest
i guess having soviet union as an enemy made americans hate everything what sounds even remotly socialist

>>74705873
his point still stands
>The bulk of Trump supporters are poor uneducated rednecks/blue collars. It's the same in the Europe with all right-wing "populist" parties (see: UKIP).

>>74705936
That'll change once baby boomers die out. This is a small blip overall.

>>74706097
Lel no

>>74706224
Yes? Do you not follow news?
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/02/americans-joining-socialist-groups-trump-170205083615002.html

>>74706368
This has been a thing forever, they always grow out of it

>>74699394
Poverty like that is usually intergenerational and to a certain extent the preference of those groups. As mentioned above they refuse to leave areas that are economically unviable and aggressively shun bourgeois values (though they wouldn't use or understand that term).

I kind of wish I could live like that in a way.

If there was any land left I totally would.

Switzerland has population of like 7 million. The US has a pop of 300 million

>>74706495
to be honest, i think a charismatic socialist democrat would have really good chances to become the next president.
Bernie could have done that, if he had the support of his party

>>74706495
>who was FDR
>who was LBJ
>what was the New Deal Coalition

>>74699394
I'd rather be a backwater Appalachian hill person than a 300lbs abomination in the inner cities collecting foodstamps. I'd bet she has sex for the purpose of precreation under starlit skies to the tune of frogs, crickets, and cicadas while fireflies dance about at night. When the EMP's knock out electrical devices and the food in grocery stores spoil, she will have plenty to eat. Should nukes fall, she wont even be aware of her impending doom.

>>74706659
>Bernie could have done that, if he had the support of his party
Except his party isn't socialist so they were never going to support him. If everyone just vored for him he would win too you know.
Socialists are incredibly uninfluential here

>>74706495
No it hasn't, not to this extent. Socialism is becoming much more entrenched and popular due to social media.

>>74699771
literally this

>>74706870
Stop pandering to this idiot ffs.

>>74706870
I think (hope) that democrats learned their lesson, that by going agains the will of the people and chosing a corporate shill like Hillary, they can only lose

>>74706882
Stop reading /pol/

>>74706882
Kek no it was more popular before ww1.

>>74706659
>>74706870
Sanders is an avowed socialist and he mounted a credible challenge despite the mainstream media and Democratic establishment actively trying to destroy him; they had decided Clinton was going to be the nominee/President which was great except the rest of America wasn't on board with the second part. Clinton-style neo-liberalism is probably dead for the forseeable future. There's a non-trivial chance that Warren will run and be elected in 2020.

>>74707206
Sanders didn't have the balls to even go after Hillary's reckless abuse of private emails on her own server. He was a meme candidate and hell would've frozen over before America would've elected him.

>>74707579
Bern outs are delusional

Don't fall to socialism or you will become like us.

I want to get out of here before the whole thing collapses.

>>74707579
such an approach would only damage the democrats and help the republican candidate

>>74699394

Dang.

This picture makes me homesick.

People think the USA is one country, but it's really not.

The Appalachians are really a separate culture, one of several. Being from Appalachia is very, very different from the America you see in all the media.

Almost all of the pictures you see of America are of the city folk, who live in a different country than Appalachia.

Dang. I should go back up in the hills.

>>74707579
this.
Bernie thought he could win without pounding hillary and just being dignified and shit.

He missed lots of opportunities to rip her a new one.

>>74707840
You sound like a deranged Albertan.

>>74708246
I'm from BC actually.

I'm sick and tired of people importing a million Zhangs to try to pay for the debt load brought on by bloated socialists promises.

I just wish there was a coastal state SOMEWHERE on this continent that wasn't filled with socialists who want to throw everything away.

I'll probably just move to the states but somehow I don't think WA/OR are much better aside from the Zhangs.

>>74702171
>>>74701986
>>close down bases on foreign soil
>>send soldiers back home
>>...

Careful what you wish for.

>>74707941
>dang
stopped reading there

>>74708502
>Mexico
Stopped Reading There

>>74708425
>socialist promises
You people just reelected corporatist Christy Clark as premier and you're talking about socialism. Get a fucking grip after getting your head out of your ass.

>>74708582
The people importing the Zhangs are the socialist federal government friend.

>>74708425
Ive been told that the eastern parts of washington and Oregon are very different from the Western parts

>>74708568
whoa you made an identical post to his without reading it go check it out. screencap this shit, this thread just got fucking EPIC

>>74707019
They didn't. They're actually thinking about running her again and are trying to kick Tulsi Gabbard (aka the democrat's trump) out of the party.

>>74703482
>main stream opinion

Heh. No, anon. Not really.

>>74708659
>the liberals are socialist
>harper wasn't the one that made investments into real estate by the Chinese incredibly easy
Take my previous advice.

>>74708661
I would like to move to those areas, but most of the jobs that provide visas aren't in those areas.

It's hard.

Maybe if I was better with women it would be easier.

>>74707941
>Appalachians
Huh? Who are these? What? Tell me more.

>>74699394

We have minorities and that big cocksucker Lincoln to thank for that.

>>74704980
>>>74704729
>1. Research new industries -- we surive on the fact that no one really wants to go to war and we have a giant military. So even though a lot of people perform menial service jobs, they're still making it, sort of.
>2. Stop importing 1 million people every year, infinite grow isn't sustainable.

New industry: Nuclear-powered heavy-lift boosters to crack the solar system wide open. Until we get reusable vessels with 100 km/sec delta-v and a thrust-weight ratio of two to one, we're all stewing in this pot together.

Once that problem is cracked, we can grow to several orders of magnitude larger than we are now. The Solar System is rich, rich.

We can let the people five hundred years from now worry about interstellar.

>>74708886
Moonshiners in the sticks with very high poverty rates

>>74704884
Those people aren't counted as middle class though. You have to be pretty fucking poor for EBT. I know lower middle class people who work shit jobs and they don't qualify. You have to be legitimately poor.

>>74708659
>I can't blame the boomers for fucking the housing market.

>>74708886
>>Appalachians
>Huh? Who are these? What? Tell me more.

Appalachia is a cultural sub-region inside the US, centered on the Appalachian Mountain Range.

It is about the same size as California, but the culture there is very, very different.

It's also some of the most beautiful territory on Earth, hand to God.

I miss it terribly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia

>>74704987
College Degree != Rich. I live in Brooklyn. It's full of over educated hipsters who are supported by their parents because they have worthless degrees and pour coffee. Meanwhile there are a lot of tradesmen who are quite well off. Over educated liberals also consume a lot of fake news. So you can argue that a bunch of poor ignorant people voted for Hillary despite having "better" educations.

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

The rise of left-wing, anti-Trump fake news - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39592010

>>74705098
Either desperate or ignorant.

"American poor is different than other poor" is certainly true in many wealthy European nations in which the poorest people are bolstered a little bit more than they are in the US.

I'm not sure why you would be going out of your way to make excuses for some of the horrific conditions that exist in Appalachia. A lot of that region is a sad story now when I travelled around there in 2013.

>>74709295
>>>74708886
>Moonshiners in the sticks with very high poverty rates

Oh, look, a city-dweller.

Have you ever been to Appalachia?

>>74706000
No your wrong. Your mixing poor and uneducated and it's not the same. Additionally less educated doesn't mean more ignorant.

Trump had won more areas with less educated people but they weren't necessarily poor some were well off.

>>74709628

What's so different about these people/this culture?

>>74705547
My man have you been to Delaware? It's like a worse smelling New Jersey and surprise surprise when business are tax-exempt you don't have any revenue actually going to the state, just local businesses, and when the tax moratorium ends (usually a 10 year moratorium), the business pulls out of the state and the workers and local businesses go broke. It is sacrificing the future for a short term gain that you think will generate enough revenue for other people to move in to the state and start their own businesses, history has shown this scheme does not work out. Just look at Connecticut.

>>74709740
>>74710012
kids who have rich parents dont count as poor/working class

>>74702345
Except mine are brick.
Checkmate.

>>74702650
>American cities
Exactly. They are still a small minority in cities like San Francisco and Jew York anyway.

>>74706808
>should nukes fall, she wont even be aware of her impending doom.
Except you would be able to hear nukes and even feel them up to 200 miles away. Not to mention people in Las Vegas could see mushroom clouds at the Nevada Test Site.

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>>74708886
This pic pretty much sums up Appalachia.

>>74705355

"populist" is from "people", or "folk", or "Volks" (like in Volkswagen, cars for the people). It could be translated as "nation" as well. German philosopher Fichte wrote about it.

This is what they claim 'populist' in some politicians, in order to underline the xenophobia in this view. It's a internationalist discourse, criticizing the idea that we are fundamentally distinct regarding our nationalities.

Lots of it in Europe today...

I'd like to know more foreigners here in huehueland, we have only 2,36% of you people living here.

>>74701404

please

they are making money from it, not spending

sometimes i think yankees eat oil, lol

stupid fatasses

>>74710028
they are rednecks

>>74701308
Nobody cares about Africans

>>74709929
I live right on the edge of it, it's full of butt-hurt south will rise againers, 98% white flight flyover towns, etc. I'd rather be a pavement walker any day of the week heh

Link related is basically Appalachia the TV show
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonshiners_(TV_series)

>>74701284
How will shekelstein eat if we don't take out 5 mortgages on our houses and pay $250,000 plus tip every time we get hurt?

According to the US census about half of Americans are considered impoverished or low income.

>>74709909
>I'm not sure why you would be going out of your way to make excuses for some of the horrific conditions that exist in Appalachia. A lot of that region is a sad story now when I travelled around there in 2013.

Antipoverty efforts from the 1960s onward have been almost completely focused on urban black poverty and Appalachia is ignored for a variety of reasons.

>>74708767
Bernie Sanders is too old to run again, but his ideas may have an impact since they're fresher and more populist than Hillary's.

>>74714110
Exact same thing here in Canada.

This really Cannot Continue

>>74701664
are you blind, retard?

>>74702409
>he googled a shitty pic
>demands explanation

>>74702858
well said. europe is 1st world thanks to us (marshall plan).

>>74714258
This. I'm betting on the next lefty being tulsi

>>74704569
i wouldn't know about irl, but norway looks a lot like rural america on the google street view.

>>74702243
Whoa, touchy subject? Don't worry, this is /int/ernational board.

>>74705936
Sad for you maybe. Nobody here finds that said at all except for some hipsters maybe

>>74708886
that's the part of the us that is the most similar to norway in many ways (nature, rural neighborhoods, houses, RVs etc)

>>74714110
Urban poverty is more obviously visible unlike the isolated and remote Appalachia and also the people there are very stubbornly independent and resistant to help or handouts.

And of course combating black poverty is politically correct while combating white poverty isn't.

>>74703335
He's right you know.

>>74703687
American labour is not special at all to justify spending more on them over any other labourers.

>>74716174
Chinese products are garbage filled with toxic chemicals though.

>>74715237
>-t. cog in the machine

>>74716461
THIS
You never get what you pay for either and it's all "voluntary internship" slave labor with suicide nets. Whenever I hear somebody ball washing China I just remember this classic

https://imgur.com/a/aSFTC#xfkxpH9

>>74701246
What city is this?

Is knoxvill considered appalachia?

Are there any decent lakes/rivers in TN for recreation, or are they all industrial "working" rivers?

>>74717739
>what city
Gray, TN
>Is Knoxville considered Appalachia?
Location? Yes. Culture? Not really. Too urban.

>>74699394
What is the problem in the pic? Looks like a high middle class place to me.

>>74720738
>>Is Knoxville considered Appalachia?
>Location? Yes. Culture? Not really. Too urban.

This. Knoxville is a fantastic city, but like other 'big cities' in Appalachia, it's a bit too urban bec ause it has that huge university there, not to mention all that government money from Oak Ridge.

Birmingham, Roanoke, Pittsburg, Chattanooga, Scranton, those are more like it. Even smaller places like Bristol or Greenville are more like it.

>>74722833
>Oak Ridge
Thinking about living there soon. It's always been my favorite American city but I've never been there.

>>74722879
>>Oak Ridge
>Thinking about living there soon. It's always been my favorite American city but I've never been there.

If you go to Oak Ridge, be sure to take the tour of the nuclear reactors.

Assuming they still let people in, kids these days are utter pussies.

Oh, look at that:

https://ornl.gov/content/come-see-us

Still open to the public. :)

Oak Ridge is a fun place, you can see where they built the bomb plants in these deep valleys, so if one of the big boys popped off by mistake, the blast would be contained.

Fun times!

Little do you know >we are richer than Europeans, have higher disposable income, have much higher salaries, but we don't show it. The fact is that people here are overweight and dress like shit, no one cares to look good and no one likes what Europeans would like. It's a different culture.

There are loads of backwards fat rednecks from Montana or middle of nowhere USA driving a multi-million dollar RVs, have their own boats, own like 8 TVs (two of which they put in their bathroom so they have something to watch while they shower and shit), and I've seen some with elevators in their homes.
What do Europeans spend their money on? an 80,000 Euro BMW? or what? I've never seen any European grotesquely rich like I see Americans every summer. Perhaps along the mediterranean, but not inland. And no, owning a 300 Euro a month 'beach home' in Spain is not rich.

Americans don't give ratsass about each other so the wealth is not shared

American would rather donate their money far far away then help the poorer people near them

They are truly fucked up morally

>>74699879
not developed nations

>>74699940
partially this but mostly because wealth inequality

>>74723869
>partially this but mostly because wealth inequality
i meant to say it's to do with the setup of the country, not it's population size. that setup is probably intertwined with it being a main centre of business and industry