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Will China ever unfuck their shit? Abolish internet Firewall,

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Will China ever unfuck their shit? Abolish internet Firewall, recognise Taiwan and free Tibet, solve their pollution problem, etc?

Is China doomed with commies in charge?
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>>74279452
Tibetans should chimp out if they really want independent, most countries would only archived it by chimping out.
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How they deal with their insane overpopulation problem as they approach a higher standard of living will be interesting.
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I hope they fucking not. Imagine 2 billion chinks flooding every single board and posting their poor-quality made in china memes and ruining the internet. I'm not prepared to the chinese century
They should free Tibet and recognize Taiwan tho, and pollution is fine (Earth deserves every single plastic bottle on the ocean floor)
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>>74279452
>recognise Taiwan and free Tibet,
why
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>>74279725
Because otherwise Taiwan will turn into a shithole otherwise
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>>74280904
so?
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>>74279452
Not to mention unbanning interracial marriage for women:

https://www.dailystormer.com/china-bans-interracial-marriages-for-women/
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>Abolish internet Firewall, recognise Taiwan and free Tibet,

If they did these things, China would fall apart in a few weeks.
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>>74279568
people will stop having kids as the standard of living increases
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>>74281351
no, they will have more
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>>74279452
They're kinda working on the pollution problem by throwing tons of cash at renewable energy to get it developed to a point where it can replace coal.

But there's one thing they could do to immediately make the world a better place, and that's withdraw all support from North Korea so their economy fails and the government collapses, allowing the two Koreas to unite. If they're so worried about having a US presence close to their borders, they could make their withdrawal of support for NK conditional on removal of US military bases once the Koreas unite.
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>>74279452
>Will China ever unfuck their shit
>proceed to bow to western bullshit
hmmmm?
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>>74281381
explain japan, germany, the US, etc then
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>>74279452
>free tibet
>free taiwan
>good for china
Holy shit is this the average iq of Koreans? I thought they're better than this
It's going to be a bit better for Koreans though
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>>74281444
they didn't have 30 years of single children policy
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>>74279452
>recognise Taiwan and free Tibet

This directly counters their interests so probably not, Tibet in particular is never going to be independent

>Abolish internet Firewall

It's possible but keep in mind that unlike a lot of countries with repressive internet policies China has its own massive webosphere in Mandarin/Cantonese etc that's mostly cut off from the "western" English speaking one, so there might not even be much of a demand for it.

>pollution

To my knowledge China is actively moving towards renewable energy and as their economy contracts in the coming decades more and more factories, refineries etc will be closed down. China is going to be a polluted shithole for a very long time from now though, and it might even get a lot worse in the short term

>Is China doomed with commies in charge?

No because they have been in power for so long that as a one party state both the good things that happen to China and the bad things that happen are attributed to them, if you compare the China of 30 years ago to the China of today the difference is almost miraculous, and for a lot of Chinese they see this massive success as proof of the effectiveness of the CCP and the reduced need for a democratic state.
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I dont believe they ever will, they have too much of a hive mind mentality.

Hopefully with a better life the people are having they will actually demand their country change a bit. Rather than accepting that the country will do whats best for the people which it honestly doesnt. No country does.
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>>74279452
Tibet would never be free no matter how hard they try because the top 3 of Chinas largest rivers flow from there and having someone else control the sources to rivers that affect millions upon millions would be an absolute disaster for Choina
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>>74279515

But it's against their religion no?

Like non-violence to the end?

I hope for a free Tibet one day.
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>>74281620
not at all
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>>74279452
>will China ever become a doomed shithole like the west ?
>why are they even desiring their race to have a future ?
>don't they know self-genocide is the hip thing right now ?
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>>74279452
>Will China ever unfuck their shit?
> recognise Taiwan and free Tibet

I never knew Koreans were this retarded.
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>>74281665
european pessimism not allowed
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>>74281700
ikr. Just. UHG Why is China so intolerant?
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>>74279636
>a third world shithole with way too many people flooding the internet with shit
Hmmmm sounds familiar joão
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>>74281700
Do you like it in the ass Mohammad?
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>>74279452

China is doing better than us. let's face it China will rule the world. Its going to suck and the world is doomed but they will win, you think Trump will beat them? He is already their bitch.
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>>74281753
people are not getting stupider just because there are more people

that's incredibly meaningless as well

and fuck you shiteater
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>>74281768
You're right, there's not more people.
There's more niggers, with their sky-high 60 mean IQ.
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>>74281796
Your fear of niggers will destroy you
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>>74281765
China is the future. If they achieve even half the wealth the japs have their total GDP will surpas our own by a few trillion.
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>>74281840
Fear ?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001221
If France fears niggers, why is she losing 4 IQ points every decade ?

Are you some kind of nigger yourself ?
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>>74281909
why are you here talking about something entirely unrelated

what is it about niggers that you have to talk about them here

and even if i am so what how would that change anything for you
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>>74281840
Fearing then is a valid fear. Kind of like "Islamophobia". Fearing Islam is perfectly rational.
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>>74281932
It would explain that lack of sentence-structure, the reddit spacing, and the lack of logic-based arguments, you filthy coon.
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>>74281978
yes it would wouldnt it

regardless how you feel about black people somethings are inevitable
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>>74282004
>somethings are inevitable
You wanna back that claim up mong?
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>>74282038
you called me names, i don't like you
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>>74281350
Not like it's a bad thing anyway
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>>74282004
The extinction of Humanity through subhumanisation and the collapse of technological civilisation being inevitable is not something that should be reveled, locust.
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>>74282081
nope, as more and more people come into close contact, as in really really close contact the reality of sudden extinction is offset by real physical demands instead of fake ideological ones
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>>74282077
Clearly you dirty race of gooks are jealous of the chinks.
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>>74279452
>recognise Taiwan

You nigga dumb?
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>>74282105
Please drop the incoherence one or ten notch, kangz.
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>>74282139
no, its your own fault for not understanding

"technological civilization" will make its way to other parts of the world such that "sub-humanization" will make it's way and the reactive force of civil rights in all parts of the world, this is the goal of the french revolution in the first place 220 years hence, you will take your own medicine

so why can't they demand whatever they do? are they not their own class etc was the french ideals to make them all into brothers and so on

you say these things so easily but when the chicks come rooster you run for the high hills

you don't deserve to be french
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>>74282193
>Ooga booga thinks nogs won't collapse the modern welfare state long before that through their inherent parasitism
Ahh yes, the ideals of the French revolution on full display by this son of Africa.
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>>74282285
they might but their ooga booga countries will be better for it
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>>74281741
there are 200 million joãos
which about some 80 million might use the internet
which maybe a thousand or two come to 4chan


now

there are 1,3 billion ching chongs
probably a fucking lot will use the internet
and probably a sizable fucking load of jackie chans will come to 4chan

chinks outnumber us
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>>74282326
they are not "chinks" they are chinese okay?
i have never called brazilian names
please stop sucking whitey cock
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>>74279636
>Earth deserves every single plastic bottle on the ocean floor
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>>74280904
>Taiwan will turn into a shithole otherwise
why
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>>74282361
chinas are chink
americans are burgers
argies are argentines
brazilians are monkeys

i don't know names,only flags; and all of them call me bad names here, shart
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>>74282408
whities treat others as lesser

it is not something i want to do
you want to be the names they give you fine
but i demand you stop for me
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>>74282435
Korean views on black people
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>>74282326
I would prefer the educated over the budget nigger everyday.
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>>74282459
playing up to the white masta no less
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>>74282435

i am white
but that's not relevant
there's no such thing as whites on /int/
the name they gave me
only reflect the sins of my flag
and that's a burden everyone here has to carry
it's not just banter or racism at all
is a constant reminder of where you born
and you can't change that
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>>74279452
let's put some bet on this.
which country will fall first, USA or PRC?
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>>74282487
it's not something you have to carry at all

there is a suspended reaction to what anyone says here even with the "flags" which are nothing more than a goalpost, you can move towards it or away from it

what is that symbol that signifies beside anonymous? it is the group that you are suppose to belong to, according to others

but that doesn't mean there is any singular individual that is that flag, there is no "real american" actually some of its characteristics are opposites

in any case that's a bad argument, you just like being bullied
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>>74281620
Theres been attacks and riots before. They mostly sit quietly because they understand everything china has done for them but theyre too ashamed to admit it.
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>>74282530
USA
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>>74279452

I dont see anything wrong about China not recognizing Taiwan and not giving Tibet independence, and I am not being edgy.

I would criticize their imperialism in the southern sea of china.
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>>74282568
>chink posters think this is subtle
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>>74282602
Nice argument.
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Never
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>>74282696
accidents, no matter how common are not argument for something inevitable
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>>74281381
that's not what history tells us.
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>>74282653
>that clockwork increase in chinkposting as it becomes West Coast hours
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>>74282740
>>74281482
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>>74282727
>posters

of course they aren't, cheng diao
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>>74281620

I believe Tibetan Buddhism is different
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>>74281408
Why are people acting like North Korea is this imperialist war machine that is minutes away from invading all of asia. Just leave them alone unless you want to be nuked again. They are never going to start another war of aggression, stop poking the bear.
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>>74282555

is just as you said
it is the symbol of what i'm supposed to belong, no matter who i am
it is that what reveals more than the word Anonymous

to the regardless eyes it is who i am
it complements my words and give them a special trait
not the one that i molded and built myself
but the one others think i posses by default
by default of such flag

there is truly no real American
but there are the Americans
and their infamous deed and image, although not real, is far spread
in a post about european food
the stars and stripes may say more than the words
what could he knows about european food?
it is the country of hamburguers and microwave
everyone knows that
it is by what the flag is known for
by what the people are known
true or not

you can hide your name
but not your flag
hardly your words will change people minds
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>>74279452
> free Tibet
Free Tibet means Free East Turkestan and fuck that, i don't need neither poor uighur refugees, nor another fucking islamic states at my doorstep
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>>74281482
You mean the policy so ingrained in their chink psyche they don't want many kids even when it becomes legal?
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>>74282808
of course it can hence >>74282753

obviously he doesn't see me as a member of his group
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>>74282823
probably more to do with how consumerist their culture has became and how no one feels like having children is rewarding.
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>>74282823
not ingrained
still socially too poor
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>>74282814

I'm pretty sure that Tibet and Xinjang are considered separate
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>>74282530
USA
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Dear China,

Please stop fucking with our shit and honour the bloody Sino-British Joint Declaration.

Sincerely suck a dick,
Hong Kong
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>>74282852
If one falls it's likely the other will follow, that's what happens with independence movements
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>>74282826
i didn't saw that webm
holy fuck that was brutal, poor dude was really unlucky
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>>74282892
group interaction
it isn't about selfie until one does it, then they are want to do it because that person is doing it, no matter what they decided before
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>>74282852
Do you really think uighurs gonna sit still if Tibet get independence?
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>>74282894

HK and Taiwan have always been cool by me
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>>74282894
hk pls you have no say

it's sino-british not sino-hk
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>>74282923

Seems like the Chinese are cracking down on them harder then the Tibetans at the moment
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>>74282894
You're all a bunch of cucks
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>>74282910
remember to wear your helmet
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>>74282947
nah, tibetans have it worse
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>>74282977
How exactly do Tibetans have is worse than those jihadis?
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>>74282814
Theyre probably richer than whatever country you come from and yes I know its Kyrgyzstan but I made a point by pretending not know it just to show how irrelevant you are. Also yeah they ahould both stay. They cant build a stable country without chinese.
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>>74282995
not jihadis, uyghurs

basically tibetans must conform to the ccp's version of their religion, so if they try to visit the dalai lama over the mountains they get executed sniper style

uyghurs just can't do islamic things as shopkeepers or cannot have head covering on certain days, pretty light compared to having an illegitimate leader of religion

and uyghurs can go do turkey if they can afford it, tibetans cannot visit the dalai lama period
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>>74283036
>They cant build a stable country without chinese.
So we aren't counting the many many years it wasn't Chink owned Peng?
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>>74282126
Lol, I'm not even a gook, I'm American studying in China wtf
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>>74283036
If they are richer, why the hell they keep coming here? The reason why we have visa regime with china in the first place it's because government tried to contol thier migration from China. Do you think it become better if they get independence?
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>>74283134
Koreans, not even once
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>>74283121
The ughyrs in Xin Jiang were always ruled by chinese. Before the Han took control it was ruled by Hui chinese. Tibetans cant ever modernize without China. They have the lowest iq in the country. Also Im not chinese.
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>>74283181
Topkek, mobility scooter riders really live life on the edge.
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>>74283218
>Also Im not chinese
wew, yeah sure thing.
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>>74282790
All Buddhism is different from what white folk think about it lol. Just look at Myanmar. They round up and killing their Muslim minority in rural areas and it's happening NOW.
Also have you known that before China got its hand on Tibet there was a very severe form of serfdom there? It's like 80% of population were Monk's slaves. I don't defend China I'm just saying that the world isn't black and white. It's grey.
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>>74283398
> they round up and killing their Muslim in rural areas and it's happening NOW.
wtf i love Myanmar now
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>>74283434
Don't be edgy.
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>>74283398
it's an ethnic violence with the rohingya being the most, so due to islamic immigration from india bangladesh and china they are all categorized into one group "muslims" to carry out forced anti-migrant campaigns with the goal of ethnic cleansing
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>>74283489
Wha? How else can you get rid of religion of peace™ if not by another sword of peace? You should know that well, checnya
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>>74283533
>due to islamic immigration from india bangladesh and china


I'm familiar with this lie. It's a poor designed excuse. This 'story' was invented by Myanmar gov to get away with violation of human right there.
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>>74283218
exactly the same fucking logic used by nips when they tried to colonize china, hur dur muh modernization of retards
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>>74283398

Yeah most South east asian countries were like that. In Thailand it was 90% of people were slaves
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>>74283578
the rohingas have been there for centuries but it is because of this migration that the population supports this kind of violence

we can all see pass the veil but that's kind of pointless
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>>74283581
logic might be the same but the method is not
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>>74283610

You mean since the british imported them to police the area.
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>>74283734
the british only used sikhs as police because they were generally bigger
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>people are still falling for the overpopulation meme

china's birthrate has been declining since the one child policy and their population will top out by 2030

india on the other hand
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>>74279452
It depends on who the next leader is. Like the USSR under Gorbachev, Russia gained more freedom but it's still shit. If they're staying authoritarian they need a Lee Kuan Yew
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Please if the chinese abolish the internet firewall at a single point, the arrogant chinese must be "omg we must rule the internet long live china" thing and the internet will be flood with them
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>>74283795

No they brought in the rohingas because the Brits held Bengal for the longest in india
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>>74283888
Please take back your chink families and diasporas from here, please. Leave Temasik alone. They don't leave? So is you, PRC 2.0. (Taiwan is PRC 2.1)
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>>74282326
>joãos
>not joões
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>>74282894
>>74283888

Will China get rid of the visa loophole in HK soon? Like your Chinese visa will no longer reset if you travel to HK from the mainland since you're one country now?
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>>74283134
that explained a lot of things

>>74283888
*flooded
I thought better English is part of the HK pride
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>>74284371
No Jews will leave their goyim behind, my clever, efficient, first-world neighbour
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>>74279452
What the fuck are you saying?
Just let it die
another anon already say about shitty chink meme flood, nobody wants internet 'chinked'

+only thing worth about china is aliexpress
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>>74284449
When will prc take back whole se asia, east asia and australia? Rightful clay with 4000 year history belonging to china since shang dynasty.
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>>74284495
Yeah better just let it die by not releasing tibet man mah k-pop brain so cool with plan to save china but shit i ain't telling them because I'm such a badass lol xddddd
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>>74282894
You will probably be incorporated into china fully in all but name in the coming decades. Sorry
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CHINA WILL GROW LARGER
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>>74284597
Why post that boat... It's Russian made and they sold it because it wasn't useful.
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>>74284515
shhh oversea nigger don't expose our plan
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>>74282894
Dear HK,

Given you have literally nothing including army, strong economy, population, land, what we can do is sit back and enjoy how prc is sticking their dick inside your boypussi and cum all over your face while england will be fapping to the scene just to let Xi be happier.

PS: please moan more like a slut, bot a bitch when being raped.
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Guys, I'm gonna be moving to China for 16 weeks later this year. What am in for.
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>>74285071
Glad you asked, the chinks have made the entire nation of China a giant testing grounds. Everything is a trap designed to weed out weak chinks and only let the strongest chinks survive. Watch your step.

For example see the transit of China
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>>74285071
You sit down in a chinese restaurant, you expect to be served and eat right? Wrong.
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>>74285071
Elevator door opens and you step in right? Wrong.
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>>74285102
>>74285128
this isn't making me feel too keen.

This internet thing, will I be able to use normiebook etc
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>>74285213
China isn't really this wild west in normal life is it.
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>>74285236
>not believing
Then why do all chinks constantly avoid traps at all times? These are the survivors, study them.
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>>74285262
Faurrkkk I'll take the stairs when I can
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>>74285308
A wise decision, many unsuspecting people have been victims of the old escalator trap.
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>>74284692
arr rook the sam-- wait, chink can't pronounce R, so it's al lok de same
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>>74279568
What they should do is start urbanizing rural areas.

There's probably a LOT of terrain in China that has only small villages.
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>>74279725
Because Taiwan is a real country.
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Tibet was never de jure independent only de facto after the fall of the qing, there really shouldn't be that much of a fuss about it 2bh
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>>74285688
China is already a block of concrete at this point, nature is far and in between
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>>74279452
been in china for a few months, change is actually coming quickly

the firewall is required to stop mass panic spreading, and to stop the CIA fucking with chinese people
chinese people panic easily, and news of unrest and "alternative truths" gain a foothold quickly

the history with tiawan is complex, as it is with hong kong
their ecconomic relationship with china is such that a level of control is needed for sino national interest
macau for instance is notorious as a tax haven and for scammers/hackers targeting mainland chinese
just recently china extradited some to the mainland because it was sick of the islands letting these scammers off with a slap on the wrist

>free tibet
well tibet certainly isn't china, and it isn't chinese
but that being said without chinese investment in the region it would be an india-tier shithole
tibet is kind of a buffer zone with chinas neibours, without an occupied tibet the concern would be other nations using it as a millitary staging point

the pollution problem is actually bing brought under control very rapidly
the chinese government has that power
they bulldoze houses to build strips of parkland/trees, they limit factory opperating hours, they are moving away from coal faster than many western nations

and it's not "commies" in charge, maoism is shunned in china to the point where the little red book is not sold anymore in shops
the government is authoritarian-socialist if you were going to label it
all that agrarian-collectivism stps decades ago
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nah
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>>74285968
>tibetans trying to dress up as chinese police

chinese police actually use spats, have shirts that fit of the current issue
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please don't invade us
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>>74286966
what do you think the chinese railways are for man
vietnam sided with the people a long time ago
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>>74281444
feminism causes low birth rates, not economic wealth
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>>74287060
What do you mean? Railways are extremely easy to sabotage though
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>>74282361
>>74282435
>>74282555
>>74282485
Get the fuck out of this website, cuck. You need to go back.
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>>74287166
china has been investing in Vietnamese infrastructure for decades, with the eventual purpose of troop movement

get out your thermite if you think it will help, the reality is a railway is as easy to repair as it is to destroy if bridges remain secure

millions of chinese soldiers will one day pass straight through vietnam on their way south, vietnamese people will hardly know they were there
a few checkpoints, a few watchtowers on bridges

investment in vietnam is on the rise sharply, something the US won't match
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>>74287308
No reason they should oppose it. East Asia should be under the guidance of the Chinese and surpass the west.
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>>74287390
it's coming

the "chinese bubble" is china boosting production, not investing
they are happy breaking even on an appartment block if it means they can lower cost of production of cement to the rest of asia

they will do buisiness in the form of dams, power plants and roads instead of the yuan
then when the yuan rises they will have no foreign interest int their ecconomy, while america will owe a third of their national debt to china and will have to pay in bullion to avoid the US dollar crashing

the philipies are on the verge of evicting US troops, vietnam is already there, australia is on the tipping point and japan is too close to china to be a staging point
japan will surrender almost immediately to china unless us subs can protect japan from famine
the japaese have already had their share of famine, and will take rice before autonomy

china:1
america:0
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>>74287390
China won't have it easy, nationalism in Vietnam is a no-joke and it built on the hatred for China for hundreds of years, at this rate, a full scale war between Vietnam and China will make the "Vietnam War" (Americans named like only have one war ever) look like a joyful trip, you will have at least 70 millions ultra-nationalist Vietnamese willing a kill any Chinese in sight, it will make China's economy crash faster than Syria and they might nuke us, trigger a World War.
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>>74287549
I am so incredibly proud of the Philippines recently and I hope to God the US doesn't pull some sick trick to get duterte thrown out. Because Trump is a total clown he will probably love the guy just for being a strong man though. Hopefully the Philippines becomes a steadfast ally to china and breaks it's colonial past completely. RCEP is also moving along no doubt and will bring all the countries closer together economically. All of the Oriental people should be united because this is their century and America will finally be put in tis place where it belongs. Hopefully the new Korean pm rejects thaad and Abe get voted out like the American cock sucker he is.
>>74287574
Bury the past and focus on the future. Cooperate. Doesn't mean you have to bend over for them. Just work together for the interests of all Oriental people.
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>>74282792

fucking, kiwis
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>>74287813
america has too many troops far from home

I hope china quietly displaces US bases from asia, the middle east quietly pushes the US navy out, and Russia quietly blocks the way for US warplanes
American troops should stay in America, defend their own people rather than oppressing other people

nationalism is the hammer against imperialism, and communism is the salve

America has abandons SEA, they cut the TPP leaving shinto abe looking like a fool, he almost resigned over it

America is happy to put troops in Philippines and Australia, but china is the biggest trading partner of both

Chinese growth has been supporting the whole of Asia, while the US just leeches off unfair taxes, tariffs and import taxes

Why do the Phillipinos work for everyone else for less than minimum wage, it's time for investment in the phillipines
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>>74285071

cat sundae with cherry on top, and the spoon is made in china,
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>>74288047
The US power is maintained by a navy and playing with number in finance and trying to get other countries to cuck their asses to it's financial industry. The tpp and ttip falling apart are major victories for Europe and Asia. They are both just a decade or two at most from totally shaking off the US yoke. China just deployed it's second aircraft carrier and has more on the way. Abe will be gone soon and no country in Asia will antagonize china just to suck American cock. Hopefully soon the EU builds it's own army now that the mouthpiece of the US left the union. Watching America make a fool of itself and have its power gradually rolled back more and more is so fun and will only get moreso.
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>>74288246
I hope europe stands strong, NATO is tenuous at bet and the EU died ten years ago

Finland can always be counted upon, so can Hungary and Germany

how did euros stand idly by while Russia invaded Ukraine, that was the test of the EU
if nobody would protect Ukraine, then everyone knows the EU is a paper tiger

china can have asia, most of asia has done nothing, they are lazy and dishonest while china was unified and productive

but it would be a great shame if russia took eastern europe, the day russian boots touch poland I will be on a plane there with a rifle in my carry-on luggage
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>>74279452
>Abolish internet Firewall
Not happening under this kind of political environment. That would lead to criticism of government policies, and the door for that was pretty firmly shut after Tienanmen.

>recognise Taiwan and free Tibet
Maybe Taiwan, but that would compromise the PRC's notions of sovereignty. Tibet, certainly not. Control over Tibet allows China to control the sources of several rivers.

>solve their pollution problem
They're trying to, but the status quo favours expediency over caution.

>>74279568
It's already starting to regulate itself due to the One Child policy. By 2050, well over half the population will be over 50.

>>74281620
Practically all religions have grounds on which they either oppose or condone violence.

>>74282792
Do you really want a country that is as pig-fuck poor as North Korea to have nuclear weapons?

>>74285688
What do you think all those ghost towns are for?

Also, when you have a country industrializing as fast as China, you're facing a bunch of problems. China deals with these problems by hiding them and pretending that they don't exist.
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>>74288426
Thing is ukraine would not be able to join the eu if nothing happened for decades. Having sevastopol under nato controll would severly threaten russia and put us even stronger under us/natos thumb. a weak nato and outside threat be it russia or isis will serve to establish a joint european defense policy. One step closer to a nation state. Loosing britain hurt but the problems it faces come as a warning to others. And the brits always opposed stronger eu integration.
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>>74279636
>Earth deserves every single single plastic bottle on the ocean floor

It's not really the earth we're harming, though, it's our chance at living on it haha
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