Have your countries bought this plane?_

Israel.
Yes!

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>>74244265

No we produce our own planes.

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rip

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yes

We want our money back

>>74244265
Yeah
All of my countries have purchased this combat aircraft

Please include my post on all-nationz.com

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Not yet, but there has already been some talks about replacing the harriers (and possibly the F-18s in a joint bid) with them.

>itt: "countries" that can only afford one type of fighter jet

lmao

>>74244265
>Pre-ordering anything
>Paying to be beta-testers

Yes goy, buy more!

>>74245256
>Please include my post on all-nationz.com
this nigga knows what's up

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>>74244856
Don't you love all the Good Things™ the great Lockheed-Martin™ corporation has done for your country, for Europe and for Regional Security™?

>>74245503
thanks for reminding me
I had forgotten to meet my shitpost quota

>>74244265
Yes

Gashunk!

>>74244265
Yes

>>74244472
>that jewish star and illuminati pyramid on the f35s
wtf

>>74244265
I thought nip make their own aircraft?

>>74249220
Those are made to be destroyed.

>>74248336
Don't say hop before you jump

>implying that Trump will sell these planes to potential Iran 2.0

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>>74244265
So it would seem.

>>74245741
>Regional Security
More like beta testing. Gotta thank Kim Jong Un for allowing USA to test their THAAD missile

>>74245373
buy a massive amount right before you invade gibraltr!!

That way the U.S. can make money from selling them, and then take them back after the Anglo conquest of Spain.

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>unironically paying billions of dollars to be part of an alpha test
>mfw your air force can't respond because it's raining

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>>74244265
We're buying the F-35b and have invested some £2billion over 20 years for it. Though being the only Level 1 partner in this whole affair, we've got access to the entire computer software along with its codes and have complete operational sovereignty.

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>>74245373
pls look after the beautiful Harrier thx.

>>74245741
We have paid too much for what we got

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>>74249772
>falling for the rain meme

they're planning to, but I don't think they have just yet

>>74250876
yeah the EU really is quite slow with payments isn't it?

>>74250968
XD

>>74250968
why are swedes on /int/ so rude and always attacking people

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>>74250876
sorry bro

I dont think the EU will be sponsoring us any of those overpriced yankee buzzards.

back to our fuel guzzling flying dildos for us.

>>74244265
We were about to do it but then realize that the superhornets are far better than that piece of junk

>>74251023
Swedish society instills an inferiority complex in all domains of life. You're dispensable and not worth shit, opinions or sticking out in any way is bad, being ambitious is viewed as trying to be better than everybody else, etc. Those who accept this live peaceful and happy lives where they naively trust authority and happily pay 50% of their income while handing out their apartments to refugees thinking they've done something meaningful and good. Swedish men with an ounce of testosterone left however respond aggressively to these feelings of humiliation.

t. non-Swede studying these creatures

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>>74251206
t. I can draw meaningful conclusions from having been here for 2 weeks

non nordics will never understand, you should just stop trying

>>74251286
I've been here for years.

There's nothing meaningful to understand. You're a slave race.

>>74251336
As I said, you can't understand, stop wasting your time.

>>74251286
He's the same non-Swede who shitposts and makes bait threads. Can spot his posts a mile off and is a very rude individual.

>>74251430
Seek help

>>74251466
t. disgruntled polish slave worker

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On a similar note, Chinese fighters look flimsy. Does anyone else get that impression?

>>74251206
Can confirm I heard something similar from a swede I met one day.

He said they have a saying in Swedish which TL;DR means be conformist or be shunned.

>>74252669
""""Fifth""""" generation fight plane lmao

>>74249625
You do realise the referendum result Turkey just had was to modernise the government and not hinder democracy in any way.

Read about it before you shit talk.

The Turkish government is adopting a structure similar to France and the USA's.

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>>74249635
>a fucking kangaroo

>>74244265
lel, no

Can someone explain this project? Why did a bunch of countries agree to subsidize American military industrial complex and r&d by purchasing a bunch of aircraft before they were completed?

>>74253156
>muh 5th gen super stealth fighter

Americans are still pushing the majority of the money, they have like 2,446 planes on order which is the majority of the planes being produced,
Problem was, as typical, they got fucked over by lockheed when they started making planes before finalising the design and so retroactively designing them and then saying oh costs increase now 130-50 million per plane, cant be helped, but if you scale back on orders then costs will increase even more

So the Americans then threatened lockheed that any increased costs were going to be specially passed on to lockheed via penalties, now the planes are like 50 million cheaper each. surprise, surprise.

Theyre still incredibly expensive planes, but if theyre expensive for us then theyre expensive for the yanks buying them in the many hundreds

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>>74244265
we have this guy

>>74244342
Based sweden gripens.

http://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2014/11/conheca-versao-personalizada-do-caca-sueco-que-o-brasil-comprou.html

>>74253663
>swedish
Fixed.

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>>74251141
t. man who knows nothing about planes

>>74249772
>unironically paying trillions of dollars to be part of an alpha test
ftfy

>>74253594
>Problem was, as typical, they got fucked over by lockheed when they started making planes before finalising the design and so retroactively designing them and then saying oh costs increase now 130-50 million per plane, cant be helped, but if you scale back on orders then costs will increase even more

Eh, from what I've seen it was a failure by both parties. More features and requirements were adding to the JSF as the project went on, but budgeting and planned timescale was not adjusted to account for them. So the early stage of the JSF a larger burden has been placed on the low rate initial production aircraft in regards to cost and time.

However that will all change once the aircraft reaches into full production rate.

No, we don't have money

>>74254275
they wanted it to be cheaper but more versatile than the f-22, which as usual, is, an impossible demand.
However Lockheed really didnt approach it very well with a bit of haphazard design and treating it as if they had unlimited money

>>74254601

That's entirely untrue.

It is still cheaper than the F-22 if you were to adjusted inflation in both unit costs and life costs.

The blackhole comes from the fact that nobody had readjusted both the timescale and budget. So no "real" spending limits had been set for it.

>>74254992
It is cheaper now
Was not cheaper before they out their foot down.
that could be attributed to production getting underway though

>>74255038

Yes and that they actually rejigged the entire program because it was a shitshow.

>>74255102
It was indeed

You think 138 is too few?

>>74255155
We'll be getting £1b a year back into the British economy thanks to a certain percentage of the F-35b being built here. Supporting quite a few thousand jobs too.

>>74255155

I do think 138 is too few.

But there's zero spare budget.

>>74255261
Too bad we bought the worst fucking version of the 3

>>74255261
But in terms of procurement?

It doesnt seem like much for a country of our size and power, America, which is 6 times the size is getting nearly 18 times as many planes.

It is also a reduction for us from 76 harriers (gone early) and 81 tornado jets to 138 F-35 jets, which in turn was a reduction.

>>74255339

It suits our needs. There's not the budget to support a split fleet of Cs and As with everything that comes with it.

>>74255410
Dunno m8 was just saying it's not all negative news. How much is it per F-35b once production kicks in, like £100m?

>>74255312
military budget is too low, has gone from 5% to barely 2% in a time when everything is getting more expensive

>>74255557
108, once production kicks in, thats 2019

>>74254601
>treating it as if they had unlimited money
Because they do. Military-Industrial complex is a bottomless pit. Every defense contractor knows they can price gauge the US government as much as they want.

>>74255557

This is the thing, one can make the argument that a single JSF is as capable as five F-18s, however the problem is that a single JSF can be only at one place, whilst five F-18s can be at five different places.

Similar debate can be made around warships about fourteen Type 42 vs six Type 45s.

>>74255557
though F-23 A will go down to 80 so that might be worth considering for the RAF in a seperate role in order to buy more,

Each carrier can take 40 aircraft, so 80 F-35s a
then instead of the other 68 F-35 Bs which we can assume went to the RAF we could have about 92 F-35 A planes, which sounds like a better deal

>>74244265
dump carrier

>>74256698
>Each carrier can take 40 aircraft

The new carriers can take 50+ plus if they really wanted to, up to like 70 fixed-wing aircraft.

>>74256698

Doesn't work like that. Just because you have 80 Bs, does not mean you have 80 Bs available for the carriers.

And no single service owns the F-35s, they're jointly manned and commanded.

>>74253156
>Why did a bunch of countries agree to subsidize American military industrial complex and r&d by purchasing a bunch of aircraft before they were completed?
Its a tithe to their feudal overlord. Everyone knows they are garbage, including the maericans, but they don't give a shit and the countries who buy them just do it to suck up to them.

>>74256877
i was proposing to allocate them rather than have them jointly commanded in order to diversify and so increase airframe numbers

>>74257151

You would increase airframes, but you push the over number of available airframes down.

>>74257991
?

>>74252925
>nz one is a fucking kiwi
>canada is a fucking leaf
>ours is fucking RED DOT
tragic

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>>74259530
Fuck off m8 the RAF has the best one.

>>74258572

Just because you increase the number of aircraft, does not mean you have more aircraft available for doing things.

>>74249625
Cool.

>>74260535

Why?
You know the carriers arent the only function/way of using aircraft

>>74259739
fucking circles

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Yes and we also have the non watered down one too

>>74262607
It could've been so great, if they would have chosen to produce these instead actually. I guess the costs would've been the same.

>>74244265
No, and hopefully they will not. It's a trick by american jews to jew the world into buying their shitty concept plane that doesn't work and even if they one day get it to work it still won't be worth the money.

>>74244340
>bought
Top kek you leech