China launches 2nd aircraft carrier

>>74091239
>what's your excuse?
No need for one, we can reach anyone we care to bomb from here.

>11 trillion GDP
>fewer aircraft carriers than Japan and France
>even with Australia Egypt and Italy

Why?

>>74091277
>No need for one, we can reach anyone we care to bomb from here.
Amerifat proxied as a German

>>74091298
Because the only open seas are South China Sea and Sea of China
Plus, they don't go for power projection

>>74091298
*smacks lips*
I AM AMERICAN
*gets circumcised*
I MEASURE MILLITARY STRENGHT WITH HOW MANY AIRCRAFT CARRIES YOU HAVE
*sharts in mart*

>>74091392
oh excuse me for talking about aircraft carrier in a thread that's about aircraft carriers

>>74091364
>Plus, they don't go for power projection

that's right, and they aren't building multiple bases in contested waters as well..

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go soryu!!

>>74091298
>>fewer aircraft carriers than Japan and France
>>even with Australia Egypt and Italy

Of the countries you listed, only France and Italy have fixed-wing carriers.

>>74091298
because modern aircraft carriers are an amalgamation of a number of high tech industries that don't just appear out of thin air at the snap of your fingers.

and considering china was a dirt poor third world country just 30 years ago it's amazing how fast they've got to even this point.

by this rate it'll probably take the chinese another 15-20 years before they have a functioning nuclear aircraft carrier that can compete with the nimitz class.

>>74091468
>fixed-wing carriers
Look at all these target practices

>>74091414
Because China's industry isn't a war industry, but being a powerhouse of manufacturing

>>74091483
China has had nuclear weapons and the ability to do space launches since the 1960s-70s. They were never all that backwards.

>>74091410
he is implying they spend money elsewhere

which is true, until 2017 china's main aim was it's army, which is now switching towards it's navy and airforce

>>74091564
as funny as it sounds rocket science is not all it's cracked up to be. why do you think north korea is all about those missile tests these days. it's the only visually impressive thing they have to the tech for. on the other hand it's legitimately impressive that they got nuclear weapons to work but no body know what they had to do to get them.

but still, china was a dirt poor shithole in the 70's and 80's. there's no going around this. the majority of the population lived the agrarian lifestyle and hong kong alone made up something along the lies of 1/3 of the entire chinese GDP when it they were reunited. not being as bad as africa doesn't change that.

all it really does is make the giant leap in economics and standard of living even more impressive. hundreds of millions of people raised from poverty into a western quality of living in just a few decades is mindblowing.

>>74091690
>china's main aim was it's army
Makes sense, considering the length of borders they had with the neighbours
It happened to be China's traditional powerhouse too

>>74091733
>all it really does is make the giant leap in economics and standard of living even more impressive. hundreds of millions of people raised from poverty into a western quality of living in just a few decades is mindblowing.
>China
>Western quality of living
Take your proxy off, Wang.

>>74091733
Clinton sold the tech to the Chinese in the 90s and the norks got it from China

>>74091468
ah yes, Japanese """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""helicopter"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" carriers

>>74091898
It's believed most likely that they got nuclear tech from Iran.

>>74091889
running water, heating, living in an apartment in the city, a job, expendable income, healthcare, getting to watch hollywood shlock on the big screen in a mall. i'd like to hear your reasoning for why that's not considered western quality of living when the other option is living in a small village growing rice and shitting in an outhouse.

>>74091968
At least it doesn't have a fucking ramp.

>2017
>a fucking ramp

>>74091889
Didn't know you abos know how to use the interwebs

>>74091968
Easier to use helicopters against Godzilla attacks

>>74092042
>2017
>Still no aircraft carriers
>Abu Sayyaf still a menace

>>74092090
>2017
>Still no aircraft carriers

Hi pot!

>>74092103
>Hi pot!
Hello kettle!

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We sold ours to Argentina, before they went to war with the UK.

>>74091564
Also being the third nation to send men to space independantly. Amazing.
I don't understand why any other European nation and western nations do it on their own too.

>>74092149
>Sold to Argentina
Why tho

>>74092164
I'm pretty sure that there it's a European space agency

>>74092197

to meme the brits

so is there a point for a country to own an aircraft carrier if there isnt much sea or islands to protect?

>>74092039
Western quality of living doesn't involve projected 40% of the population dying of cancer in 30 years or 6800 USD per capita GDP. Of course it also doesn't involve living in a party dictatorship that harvests political prisoners kidneys either, but...

>>74092243
Yes, but they're very reliant on NASA to help them launch their stuffs to orbit.

>>74091239
only imperialistic countries like america need those carriers. russia still has one though but it's very old and probably about to collapse

>>74092253
An investment wasted since Britbongs still win

>>74091239
>A
>FUCKING
>RAMP

>>74092343
To project force. The pacific is one big american lake, Chinese want to change that. It's going to take them decades even still to match up to the US navy but that's why they are making as much progress as they can. That's also why they're building artificial islands and putting bases on them in south china sea. They know they could never go toe to toe with the US navy so they're using those to help even the odds.

>>74092384
It's expensive launching things into orbit.

>>74092404
>only imperialistic countries like america need those carriers.
>implying owning a Carrier makes a country imperialistic
I don't think it's feasable for planes to fly from the mainland to support sea battles in the event of navy battles in South China Sea or East China Sea. So China getting the carrier is needed to extend their air support for the defensive battles.
>russia still has one though but it's very old and probably about to collapse
But NATO and America still fear Russia despite it though.

>>74092509
It's expensive when you keep relying on someone else's expertise, and I know America ain't one to charge things cheaply for their services

>>74092448
Says the country known for being raped by Germany and Russia

>>74092520
>But NATO and America still fear Russia despite it though.
they don't. they just need a boogeyman to justify all the military spending, and also to convince eu that without america's protection ebil russia will attack and annex them.

and no country with nuclear weapons will ever be attacked so china doesn't need them because that shit you're talking about is absolutely unrealistic.

>>74092520
You don't fear them. Everyone in the army knows what the plan is and how the Russians are going to act

>>74092382
>Western quality of living
You mean like getting Degrees, only to be able to work only as wage slaves, high taxes on everything, and political correctness?
Nah.

>>74092775
Nice memes

>>74092197
Money

Why else would we do something?

>>74092699
>and no country with nuclear weapons will ever be attacked so china doesn't need them because that shit you're talking about is absolutely unrealistic.
That's why there's a game of chicken being played in the Korean Penninsula right now. If Nork don't have nukes, it would be Syria 2.0 by now.

>they don't. they just need a boogeyman to justify all the military spending, and also to convince eu that without america's protection ebil russia will attack and annex them.
My. That sounds familiar. Like why America keeps reaffirming friendships with Japan and Phillipines, reaffirming its commitment to protect "Asian interests", and hold military exercises near China.
Hmmm.

>>74092727
>You don't fear them. Everyone in the army knows what the plan is and how the Russians are going to act
We know the game you're playing here for your war industry. Russia and China know it very well, and so are the Norks.

>>74092812
>Needs more dankness

>>74092861
>Why else would we do something?
Turn it into a party ship overflowing with booze and weed that travels around the world.
A sound investment to me.

America jerks itself off about having 18 aircraft carriers, but can it mobilize all of them at the same time without China knowing?

Whats the point of mobilizing more than 2 battle groups if the area of contact is a relatively small area on a map?

Is America dumb enough to concentrate all their arsenal in one spot of the globe while they're tangled in other engagements in other parts of the world?

Its not only about how much you put on the table.

>>74092885
>>74092039
Samefag chink proxy.

>>74091483
This lad has done his research
We need more posters like this

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>>74091468

Your people have no will to fight. Ask any random Japanese person and 9 times out of 10 they'll say non-violence is the solution.

Which is good.

Being aggressive doesn't suit modern Japan. Just stick to making shota anime or something.

>>74093076
>Blame proxyfags when you can't put up a better counter arguement
Back to your bushes, abo

>>74093168
>Your people have no will to fight. Ask any random Japanese person and 9 times out of 10 they'll say non-violence is the solution.
That's why they asked America to do it for them.
Lmao.

>>74093267
If China is so great, your countrymen should all go back there instead of invading Australia en masse.

>>74092136
Sao Paulo is kill.

Also, does it count if you just bought another countries old carrier?

>>74093328
>That's why they asked America to do it for them.

Yeah, thats true, so I find it really funny whenever a Japanese talks about 'muh military'.

The Japanese aren't even allowed to have a military, it's just a self-defense force; its on par with a national coast guard.

But still Japanese people will be openly hostile to conflict in any form if they're to be involved and the USA is stirring hostility with China and North Korea as we speak.

>>74093362
>instead of invading Australia en masse.

Has anyone told you to go back to Europe yet? Or have you grown desensitized to it.

>>74092197
Same reason they sold their tanks to Finland. They expect their neighbors to act as meat shields.

>>74093414
Fairly sure I was born here and so were my parents and grandparents and great grandparents.

>>74093362
Yeah we should. And replace it with waves of Africans, or Arabs drowning your country in explosions and ghetto crime.

>>74092404
>russia still has one though but it's very old and probably about to collapse
Wasn't it always in poor shape?

>>74093454
>Fairly sure I was born here and so were my parents and grandparents and great grandparents.
Lol, an abo then.

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>>74093454
>Fairly sure I was born here and so were my parents and grandparents and great grandparents.
Mines too.

>>74091239
>shitty copy of an old soviet carrier

Like their shitty new """"fifth"""" generation fighter planes. China only knows how to copy.

>>74093475
>Wasn't it always in poor shape?
People laugh at AK-47 being cold war era weapons, but my, it still kills.

>>74091239
We are a poor brown reggaeton shithole

>>74093454

lol weak argument but I guess you're tired of that conversation already. You're going to receive a lot of that kind of talk as your proceed in life till old age so i'll just save both our time and effort.

>>74091414
It's called the CHINESE sea you moron

>>74091733
>why do you think north korea is all about those missile tests these days. it's the only visually impressive thing they have to the tech for

They've just be reverse engineering the old Scud design.

>>74092699
>they don't. they just need a boogeyman to justify all the military spending, and also to convince eu that without america's protection ebil russia will attack and annex them.
Not true your NATO neighbors legitimately fear you. Also our spending is justified by hard power, China, terrorist states and so on not you. If anything we are Putin's boogyman to rule up the ignorant masses.

>>74093518
Damn straight. China is a craphole where human life goes cheap.

Note that the Finn/Hong Kong/Malaysia proxy troll has nothing but ad hominems when you corner him.

>>74092136
The UK's two new QE-class carriers will be well over 70,000t once fully equipped. More importantly, unlike the China and Russia's, they're full to the brim with new technology and world class ship building design.

>>74091239
>If your country still doesn't have at least one, what's your excuse?
Who's going to pay for the welfare of arab muslims if we spend money of self-defence?

>>74092382
[Citations needed]

Also, $8250 per capita this year. Update your meme stats

>>74091483
>and considering china was a dirt poor third world country just 30 years ago it's amazing how fast they've got to even this point.

It helps when you hack U.S. defense contractors, by an existing carrier, reverse engineer planes you bought from Russia, etc. This isn't what you could consider organic design based on domestic R&D

>>74093607
>Damn straight. China is a craphole where human life goes cheap.

I'm not denying that, but you can't deny they've achieved a lot to better their living standards in a period of 30 years.

Australia is in an optimal geographic location, resource surplus to its population, high income high HDI society and yet hasn't even acheived 10% of what China has.

Which means you're a bunch of lazy abos.

Abo.

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>>74092458
>To project force.
>Britain to sail its new flagship aircraft carrier with through the disputed South China Sea in show of strength aimed at China
>The 72,000 ton, £3bn vessel will be armed with F35-B jets and helicopters

We'll show those Chinks what a real ramp-carrier looks like.

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>>74091239
>what's your excuse?
The Senate keeps insisting we don´t need a
large military force but we need to pay politicians the price of a warship every month

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>>74091239
>what's your excuse?
We don't need it.

>>74093532
That wasn't my point. I'm saying that particular vessel IIRC has a history of operational problems from the beginning.

>>74093607
>Damn straight. China is a craphole where human life goes cheap.
At least we don't have to deal with abos, deadly insects, creatures, and brush fires.

>Note that the Finn/Hong Kong/Malaysia proxy troll has nothing but ad hominems when you corner him.
>presents an arguement
>calls out on proxyfag
>not ad hominem
you used that word you don't seem to understand there mate

>>74093716
God Speed, hopefully we can use it to smack down those locust chinks.

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>>74093716

Just give it up, the empire is dead, you're a tiny island now and the fact you left the EU makes you even more irrelevant.

Your seat in the UN security council should be given to India.

>>74093741
Are those Arleigh clone destroyer ?

>>74093518
>J-20
>copy

¡Haha nice meme! It looks like nothing ever made. Which probably isn't a good thing.

>>74093598
>Also our spending is justified by hard power, China, terrorist states and so on not you
>in the eyes of Democrats, as 39 percentseeRussia as the greatest threat to America, while 21 percent cited North Korea, and 13 percent said it was China.
>Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, with 27 percent saying North Korea presently poses the greatest danger to the US; 21 percent cited Russia, and 18 percent – Iran.
still most americans are convinced that the biggest threat is russia. your military and nato commanders don't fear russia as i said but they do everything to trick masses into believing that russia is still dangerous and strong enough to be an actual threat
https://www.rt.com/usa/385903-americans-russia-danger-poll/

>>74093518
But if the copies can still shoot down your overpriced planes, then it's better than a copy that doesn't work.

>>74093634
50-70 fixed-wing aircraft too. Also it's STOVL and not STOBAR like the Russian and Chinese carries (which is one of their biggest downsides).

>>74093668
USA

>>74093810
Wait until it's smacked by DF-21s hamplanet Americunt

>>74093753
> I'm saying that particular vessel IIRC has a history of operational problems from the beginning.
I heard they're modernizing it soon tho

>>74093716
>meanwhile
>"China and the United Kingdom will have the strongest bonds in the world and a new form of strategic relationship."

Holy fuck

>>74093716
Wait 'till you see the wonder of submarine warfare and ABSMs Britfag.

>>74093806
>>74093714
>different flag
>use exact same insults
>oh no is not proxy honest

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>>74093813
more or less, it's an smaller variant with the full AEGIS system but with only 48 mk41 vls instead of the burkes 90. Pretty good for air defense.

Fully built and designed in Spain, Australia is also building 3 of these under license

>>74093694
>It helps when you hack U.S. defense contractors, by an existing carrier, reverse engineer planes you bought from Russia, etc. This isn't what you could consider organic design based on domestic R&D
Be thankful for the German scientists giving you rocket technology after you convince them to work for you ungrateful Americunt.

>>74093970
>submarine warfare

They been polishing a turd for their submarines like they're doing for their """"new"""" carriers? The UK has some of the best attack subs on the planet, and some of the best anti-submarine measures too.

>>74093840
A symptom of a dying empire is fear mongering.
Because it's a good way to distract people from internal crises.

>>74093830
>J-20
>copy
And then they shit their pants when overpriced planes are shot out of the skies.

Chink military equipment is just shit-tier clones of Soviet gear from the 80s anyway.

>>74093978
I don't even know how to proxy for fuck's sake.

>>74094129

You know for a country thats within our area of the world and within our trade bloc you sure know next to shit about the largest economic power in the region.

>>74094129
>Chink military equipment is just shit-tier clones of Soviet gear from the 80s anyway.
shiity military equipment =/= ensured victory
Vietnam comes in mind.

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>>74093812
Chinese colonist go home.

>>74094333
why are those chinese holding a sign that other chinese need to get out

>>74093840
I might believe it if your source was something better than RT. They usually lie about your capabilities more than threat to get shinny new toys the Navy made your sub force out to be far better than it actually was.

>>74094357

because they think they have a chance of defeating China, kek.

>>74094407
but why would chinese try to defeat other chinese?

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>>74094333
British imperialist out of Scotland now!

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>>74094333
>chinks petioning themselves to get out

>>74094370
there is literally a link to the survey itself right in the article
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/20/share-of-democrats-calling-russia-greatest-danger-to-u-s-at-its-highest-since-end-of-cold-war/

>>74094442

They're not fighting other Chinese, they're fighting the communist government in Beijing. Which is pretty stupid, not because of the principles of it, but because they'll easily be gassed.

>>74094442
the same reason why whites wanted blacks and minorities to rule over whites
and the word is
C U C K S
U
C
K
S

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>>74093381
Fuck carriers; We still have a tall ship in our navy.

>>74094008
>Convince.
Von Braun just wanted to go to the moon he chose the U.S. as the most likely to get him there. Also, as the Finn pointed out rockets arent as complex.as you think if it's just traveling in a ballistic arc. It gets trickier when you do stuff like land on a floating launch pad or shoot down another missile.

>>74094480
>they're fighting the communist government in Beijing
which is chinese
>>74094481
so because the jews want it?

>>74094498
I heard Brazil is offering around £80m for the UK's HMS Ocean.

>>74094518

dude, they're not fighting against 'Chinese People' they're fighting against perceived encroachment of their freedoms from a communist government.

If they're fighting Chinese they'd be protesting shit like Confucius, Chinese characters and ancestor worship.

>a ramp

every single time lmao

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>yuge numbers of nato's fleeting arriving in SCS and near north korea

>leave's the fleet in europe near empty

hmmm......
russia what are you planning

>>74094453
They can move to Britain where they will intermarry with native Brits, thus diluting British blood purity while getting rid of cucks that would threaten stability if left unchecked.
Win win I say.

>>74091239
made in china aircraft is just joke since south korea is the world largest foreign customer for american military weapon industries i don't worry about them cause made in usa military weapons are godtier compare to shitty chink deadcopy shit weapons

>>74094518
>so because the jews want it?
In a world where there are only two races: disgusting hypermixed humans and Jewish humans.
So yes.

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>>74094662

>being proud of buying weapons from countries rather than developing your own.

Its understandable, America is your daddy.

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>>74094606
americans need:
>steam catapults to assist their planes
>Chinese/Indians to assist their STEM industry
>electric carts to assist their shopping
>mexicans to do assist in hard labour
>blacks to assist they culture/media
>cranes to assist lifting their bodies out of beds
>video game tournaments to assist paying college fees

i bet americans need assistance typing their posts

>>74094821
>a fucking RAMP

>>74094762
south korea is the second largest military weapon merchant in asia after you chink

>>74094875
yeah, to launch ship right to your mum's cunt

>>74094188
You know you may be retarded or just delusional

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/5-lethal-china-weapons-war-stolen-or-copied-russia-america-17275

https://news.usni.org/2015/10/27/chinas-military-built-with-cloned-weapons

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3893126/Chinese-J-20-stealth-jet-based-military-plans-stolen-hackers-makes-public-debut.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a746/3319656/

http://rbth.com/blogs/2015/08/11/rise_of_the_clones_chinese_knockoffs_undercut_russian_arms_exports_48345.html

https://www.rt.com/politics/copycat-weapons-threat-russia/

>>74094204
The Soviets supplied the NK air defense so they did have modern technology and we didn't lose because they used older rifles than ours. We lost because we lost almost all domestic support.

>>74094357
Hong Kong Chinese aren't fans of the PRC government which has been meddling in their internal affairs more than agreed to and they often view mainlanders as sub-human.

>>74094585

It was hoax, Navy denied een though it wasn't the first time RN offered us the ship.

>carrier built that fast

I really have my doubts regarding quality.

>>74094929
>a ramp

>>74094456
My bad. I still know of no one with that opinion it's more like, "WTF is Putin doing now?" or "Why do the Russians just accept the kleptocracy?"

>>74094498
We have one too that we stole from the Krauts.

>>74095014
I dunno m8, we'll wait and see.

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>>74095257

Navy sent an official note saying that they won't buy. RN offered first during an exercise in Rio years ago.

It wouldn't make sense either since now they're focusing on get new warships and they just bought a French Assaul Ship.

>>74094662
Say if shit goes down in North Korea and China ends up intervening in the war. You have to wonder if half their guns, shells, and tanks would even work or if they break down in the field. The PLA is really a huge internal security force/border guard and their ability to fight in a real war is suspect.

>>74094821
>Chinese/Indians to assist their STEM industry
It's a myth we produce enough domestic STEM students who in my experience are more knowledgeable but foreigners will work for less.
>>mexicans to do assist in hard labour
Not really when U was in H.S. we did everything. Its again that they'll work for less.
>>blacks to assist they culture/media
Only are garbage music and shitty clothes foreigners eat up. Also, they.are Americans. We aren't importing people from Zimbabwe to make "sick beats".

>>74094929
TDIL Chinese aircraft carriers launch ships off their ramps.

>>74091239
>paint already cracking
:^)

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>>74093716

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>>74095173
Niiiice

>>74096140
?

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Why does China and Russia still use ramps?

Use an aircraft catapult; It's fun to launch footballs from.

>>74100028
Memes

>>74100028
Because it's a simple solution for a simple problem.
The former will probaly get rid of ramps in later designs anyways.

>>74099889
>>74093688
>>74093830
>>74093936

>This totally """"spanish"""" guy getting completely butthurt whenever someone starts to laught at China

Don't you have a shitty shop to look after Zhang?

>>74101368
he's an american studying in Spain

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>>74091298
France has one carrier. Japan has none.

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>>74104063
>uk has a fucking ramp
>french have godtier catapaults

>>74104866
Yeah when they actually get to use it, which is never lmao

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>>74094498
Looks pretty.

>>74093716
Your ship doesn't have planes.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-queen-elizabeth-get-first-f-35-jets-next-year/

>>74106518
They will have planes when the carrier is fully operational in 2020. It'll have sea trials this summer, then F-35b trials in 2018.

>>74093168
ching chang chong

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>>74104063
Japan technically has no aircraft carriers.

What they do have are several helicopter destroyers like this one, which suspiciously weigh about as much as the old Invincible and Foch-class carriers.

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>>74101368
I am a US airman. I have proven this multiple times now.

>>74091239
Not sure where we would put it

>>74106857
You're an embarrassment is what you are.

>>74106810
Izumo holds 12-20 helicopters and has two small elevators.

It's definitely not a carrier despite what weebs and butthurt koreans/chinese may say. Helicopters are simply not airplanes.

>inb4 F-35B
USA already stated they can't land on non-specialized hardened surfaces. They also don't fit in the hangar or elevator.

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>>74106973

>>74106925
I'm sure there's some lake nearby.